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From: Ashraf
To: Evil-Eye..
Subject: ...
Date: Mon Nov 19 23:10:51 2001

Message:
Our postings will not solve anything. This is my cell. no.: 

+97150 5886884 

If you come to Dubai, call me, and when I come to the US, I 
would definetly like to call you.. 

May be I can teach you a thing or two about what not to say 
about Islam.. and how to respect others' religions..

What's ur no..? not the FBI's you sissy..

I know you wont give it out, but that was just to prove a point. 
This will also be the last post I address to you..

You are being ignored, for good.. you Big-Mouthed Sissy..

Peace..

From: Walter
To: EagleDung
Subject: flipflopping?LOL!!!
Date: Mon Nov 19 23:52:17 2001

Message:
I apologized to one person,not to all of you.As for the rest of 
you,I can only hope if America is attacked again,you will all be 
in the same building,and I will get to watch you crash and 
crumble to the ground on TV,over and over again.
 The slightly amusing thing is,even when the U.S.is not being 
attacked by terrorists,they are blowing themselves up in 
Oklahoma,and as the FBI reported,sending Anthrax to each other in 
the mail.Seems like everybody hates America,especially 
Americans!!! LOL!!! And Nowhere in my explanation to anyone,did I 
state that I give a fuck about whether Americans live or die.

From: Ashraf
To: John
Subject: ...
Date: Mon Nov 19 23:56:12 2001

Message:
Sorry I didnt post my response yesturday, I was dead tired 
because of fasting. It is very exhausting..

Ok. Now back to our topic. I couldnt care less if I wasnt on 
your Favourites icon or list, even though it doesnt please me to 
be so. Yet, I understand the arguement you have put forward, and 
your attempt to find a solution, but may be you can start by 
realising that jews hate Arabs too! 

I hate Jews, but not the ones minding there own business nor 
those practising their own religion and beliefs, but I hate 
those jews who kill, rape, shoot and torture Palestinians, and 
if that wont make me welcome by you, then to hell with your 
hospitality, because you would have put it quite clearly, that 
the price of your hospitality, is my silence..

Solution: Let the Jews stick to their side of the line, and the 
Palestinians will stick to theirs.. The jews have arms ok, let 
the Palestinians have equal arms, for the Balance of Powers to 
be "Equal".. Sounds scary.. but it is fair, whether you like it 
or not, it is fair.. 

If the jews, supported by the US cross the dividing line, then 
we'll be back to square number 1.. The matter is that simple..
But if the Balance of Powers thing is to much to bare, then the 
least the US/ the Jews should do, is to stay on their own lands, 
and stop Trespassing..

Peace...

From: Walter
To: Ashraf
Date: Tue Nov 20 00:05:28 2001

Message:
The more you come to this board,and the more you hear from this 
disgusting group of people,the more you will understand why 
Americans are hated around the globe as much as they are.Its 
no wonder their World Trade Center was blown off the face of 
the earth.Osama bin Laden's terrorists(right or wrong)gave their 
lives to their cause.Most of these sissys wouldn't lift a finger 
to save a starving child in their own country!And yet they Claim 
to love America.What a fuckin joke!And see how very much they 
hate each others guts.They can't stand the sight or sounds of 
each other.With every single day,I am learning to hate them and 
this country more and more.They spend billions of dollars to fund 
Isreali terrorism,then cry and pretend to be innocent when the 
same type of terrorism is visited on them.Well too fuckin bad 
Americans!Welcome to the REAL world!
 Ashraf,I'm sorry if I offend you,and I pray(to my God and to 
Allah),that our sad state of affairs does not go on as long as I 
fear it will.
                   

From: open mind/closed fist
To: Ashraf & Co.
Subject: silence is golden
Date: Tue Nov 20 00:25:08 2001

Message:
Ashref, you and wally posting within minutes of each other
and one whinning about killing Amaricans with anthrax the other
worried about jews kicking their ass.
 Amazing! Butt buddies indeed!

From: Walter
To: Open Legs/Closed Mind
Date: Tue Nov 20 00:44:45 2001

Message:
Christ!You can't even spell Americans!

From: Everyman
To: U.K. Citizen
Date: Tue Nov 20 00:46:24 2001

Message:
U.K. thanks for your thoughtful award, whicch I  see has now 
disappeared along with many other posts; archived to the 
netherworld...




From: Everyman
To: allati2d
Subject: New scanners
Date: Tue Nov 20 00:53:31 2001

Message:
Great one!  

From: open mind/closed fist
To: wally
Subject: thats the best you got
Date: Tue Nov 20 00:48:56 2001

Message:
Thats the best shot you got young wimp? Talk about WHY you
hate America (correct this time?) What exactly is your problem
other than the obvious?
 Dont give me the standard America supports the Jews bullshit.
America feeds and supports finacially half this fucking world.
It is interesting you used Christ instead of, Allah! You cant
even spell spell Americans! You even capitalized the c in christ
and the a in Americans. Very interesting you little titty
sucking, butt fucking, little piece of waste that should have
run down mommys leg.

From: Ashraf
To: Open minded/ Closed Fist..
Subject: ...
Date: Tue Nov 20 02:07:25 2001

Message:
And guess where you came in.. right in the middle..

These posts are up there for people who want to understand 
something new or share their knowledge, but not for those who 
wanna make fun of others.. 

Peace..

Ps: Ashraf is spelt Ashraf, not Ashref..

From: John
To: Everyman
Subject: I'm starting to smile...
Date: Tue Nov 20 02:28:04 2001

Message:
Everyman do not be concerned with regard to the the missing days 
of posts.  In order to have a closed tribunal for national 
security reasons they had to be removed.  As soon our friend 
shall be.  I'm starting to smile...

J
E...

From: Walter
To: John
Subject: National Security
Date: Tue Nov 20 03:04:26 2001

Message:
LOL!!!!!

From: EagleEye
To: AssRashf
Subject: .... Im crushed
Date: Tue Nov 20 03:25:21 2001

Message:
ohhh AssRashf you big bad ass you .... you really know how to 
hurt a guy dont you?  Im devastated .... and quaking in my 
booties of your forthcoming visit to USA. The only thing you'll 
show me about your religion is how YOU can become a martyr, but 
if thats your goal ..... I have no qualms.

Nice theater with the prepaid throw away cell phone number .... 
oooooh such bravado.   Certainly prepaid cell is the same as my 
home number or my cell .. your Hawala Group probably goes thru 
cell phones like I use toilet paper ... oh wait ... toilet paper 
does that translate into Arabic? Sure it does .. Left Hand I 
think it is no? Oh well.  Since your probably ignoring 
my "sissy" remarks anyways.

I did think it was a nice touch though ... that after I went off 
on a tangent on Walter, as I did with UK Vomit, and matched 
their disparaging and utterly dispicable commentary of mis 
information and heresy with kind - you tell me to give it a rest 
and say to Waldo the heffer and sow gigalo ... "what you say on 
here is your business". Maybe they teach a bit 
of "intraspection" in the Holey Qu'ran during RamaBOMB.

Parting is such sweet sorrow AssRashf

Evil-Eye [u dont even know the 1/2 of it]

From: EagleEye
To: OpenMind / Closed Fist
Subject: spelling correction ....
Date: Tue Nov 20 03:45:07 2001

Message:
Its not Ashraf or Ashref .....

ASSRASHF

From: EagleEye
To: Waldo ... sow Gigalo
Subject: How them plumpers waldorf?
Date: Tue Nov 20 03:47:26 2001

Message:
"I apologized to one person,not to all of you."

Is that what that drivel was?  I really didnt need 
clarification, unlike yourself ... I dont need to hear and read 
the same shit over and over to understand.  Guess you just like 
to read your shit over and over eh?

"As for the rest of 
you,I can only hope if America is attacked again,you will all be 
in the same building,and I will get to watch you crash and 
crumble to the ground on TV,over and over again."

Hmmmm..... Waldo ... do you know something that is forthcoming 
that the FBI would be interested in? Yeah ... well you and your 
kind may sucker punch us again, maybe even a few more times - 
but your kind will never be accepted and will never defeat USA, 
must suck knowing that huh? And as your hero's the Taliban found 
out in a hurry - paybacks are a mutha fucker.


"The slightly amusing thing is,even when the U.S.is not being 
attacked by terrorists,they are blowing themselves up in 
Oklahoma,and as the FBI reported,sending Anthrax to each other 
in the mail."

Only to be outdone in the humor department by your own Arab 
bretheren in 1970's when the Leboneese off'd what ... how many 
thousand Palastinians in the refugee camps?  Seems you arabs and 
arab loving wannabe's [thats you Waldo, sow gigalo] have a real 
gentic funny bone for civil war type shit.

"Seems like everybody hates America,especially 
Americans!!! LOL!!!" 

I see all the love over in the Middle East..... that Saddamy 
Hinsane ... he's a real charmer.  The Royal Family ... ohhhh 
yeah ... spreading the love around daily ..... and those flower 
powered Iranians - especially the Ayatollah.  Ya know  nothing 
quite says I love you like a good stoning of a women.  Ya know, 
there really is a lot to be proud of about Arab heritage.


"And Nowhere in my explanation to anyone,did I 
state that I give a fuck about whether Americans live or die."

...... explanation...? Who gives a fuck if YOU give a fuck?

There ya go again Waldo - demonstrating your uncanny knack of 
overstating the blatantly obvious.

How the bbq'd bits Waldo?  Sprinle them on your salds? Oh and 
did ya find your photo of "LIMPNESS" yet ... no not the one of 
yourself ...

From: Walter
To: EagleLimp
Date: Tue Nov 20 04:08:43 2001

Message:
Salad....repeat salad....one more time salad
Sprinkle....again sprinkle....one more time sprinkle.
LOL!!! uneducated hick!!

From: U.K.Citizen
To: 'Walter' a.k.a.U.K.Voices ak.a Right said Fred
Date: Tue Nov 20 04:21:35 2001

Message:
Friends, they may come and go (imaginary or otherwise in your 
case), but enemies accumulate. Remember.

You have singularly failed in your aim to 'forcably' change the 
opinions of others. You cannot change other peoples minds for 
them, a concept you are repeatedly failing to grasp. You are 
only entrenching peoples opinions by your ramblings. 

I have noticed you have 'tried your luck', so to speak, on 
another board on this site. 

From: EagleEye
To: Waldo Dune Shadow sow Gigalo
Subject: ok - U win the typo award
Date: Tue Nov 20 04:51:40 2001

Message:
I see as usual you had so much to say, and spent sooo much time 
crafting a reply.

UK Voices .. I repeat Uk Voices and finally UK Vomit

Farse ..... repeat Farse.... 3rd times the charm .... Farse

Jihahhahahhahahhahah !!! Tabloid Educated UK Wanker boy.

From: EagleEye
To: theE.S.D or Radio Europe
Subject: the message disappeared about Mohammed
Date: Tue Nov 20 05:02:59 2001

Message:
There was an interesting post by one of you ... cant recall 
which as the post is erased or lost, but it discussed something 
of Mohhameds sexual orientation being that of UK Vomits liking, 
and of he having a 9 yr old wife?

Can you please elaborate on this ... provide links or additional 
factoids supporting this commentary?

Surely unlike the PLO excriment that is Waldo, you two have some 
reference material for us all to review [hoping ....] 

From: EagleEye
To: allati2d
Subject: maybe you could ask
Date: Tue Nov 20 05:32:29 2001

Message:
AssRashf .. since he wont speak to me anymore ... 

booo hoooo .....

What he's got to say now about all the "evidence" they found in 
Afghanistan / Taliban quarters linking AlQuda et al to the WTC 
and Pentagon.

Let me guess .. Sharon himself flew a stealth bomber and 
parachuted in and PLANTED it to look like a Taliban/bin Lucifer 
scheme - when really the Jews in the American media were all 
this time ....... broadcasting special effects and tricking all 
us citizens.  Kinda like the moon landings that never happened - 
right?

Well ... now that the evidence is there - plain as freakin 
day ... where's all the Muslims chearing for bin Lucifers [may 
swine PISS be upon him] demise?

Is there a passage in the Holey Qu'ran that discusses being able 
to skip prayers if your running from a BLU-82 or US Special 
Forces?

From: EagleEye
To: Radio Europe
Subject: Afghan Public Works project 2002
Date: Tue Nov 20 05:47:36 2001

Message:
So any word where and when the Pipeline from USSR to Pakistans 
coast begins?

Here's to OPEC oil falling to $6 a barrel for Uncle Sam's  
RAMABOMB present..... all you muslims praying hard?

Shalom Waldo pig Gigalo

From: Ashraf
To: Evil-Eye
Subject: ...
Date: Tue Nov 20 06:37:57 2001

Message:
I knew you were a sissy.. That's the point I wanted to prove..

Ps: And I've had this number for the past 2 years, and counting..

I dont see ur "Disposable"  number out here.. 

HAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SISSY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Peace.. especially to the likes of you.. U r not worth fighting..

From: Ashraf
To: Evil-Eye..
Subject: ...
Date: Tue Nov 20 06:37:57 2001

Message:
By the way, I've had this number for the past 2 years, and 
counting.. 

I dont see ur "Disposable" no. anywhere Big-Mouth. LOL!!! and 
guess what?? I wont either.. now guess why.. coz u r Wimp!! but 
at least I knew that anyway.. just wanted to make it a point to 
others too.. 

When a person defies you, either step up, or shut-up..!! You've 
done neither, so dont go crying elsewhere..

Peace.. especially to wimps and blaber-mouths like you..

From: Ashraf
To: U.K.Citizen
Subject: ...
Date: Tue Nov 20 07:17:33 2001

Message:
You should know that I meant not to offend anyone on this 
board.. but it is my opinion that allati2d is what I said I 
believe she was.. That shouldnt hurt you nor others on this 
board, and if it has.. then I'm sorry..

Peace..

From: open mind/closed fist
To: EagleEye
Subject: spellcheck
Date: Tue Nov 20 07:04:46 2001

Message:
I like your spelling much better its more descriptive ASSRASHF.
These two have given me soo much insight into the Muslim world
and have done soo much to advance Islam.
 My latest insight is all Arabs are extremly anal retentive 
except among themselves, and this fasting shit gets them very
hungry and irritable. Have a fucking pork chop sandwich already
Assrashf and calm down Mr. Peace.
LOVE AND KINDNESS TO ALL

From: Ashraf
To: Walter
Subject: ...
Date: Tue Nov 20 07:25:31 2001

Message:
You are right, and you dont offend me. I find you crazy, 
unbalanced but hilarious.. especially when others take so much 
time analising your every word.. Allati2d and I guesed your 
personality quite accurately.. but ur crazy dude..

Peace..

From: Spy
To: Walter
Subject: Notice the missing posts?
Date: Tue Nov 20 08:41:32 2001

Message:
My goodness------don't it make you wonder---
And all of 'em center around you----he he he he he he---

From: Walter
To: Spy
Date: Tue Nov 20 09:06:42 2001

Message:
Yep,they'll be picking me up any moment now....

From: Spy
To: Walter
Subject: Who'll get there first?
Date: Tue Nov 20 09:08:37 2001

Message:

From: Walter
To: SpyGrrl
Date: Tue Nov 20 09:15:00 2001

Message:
Uh,the CIA,then the FBI,then whoever was stupid enough to try to 
come after me!And they'll all kick my ass,cuz they can,cuz their 
AMERICANZ!!! LOL!!!!

From: The Great King AbusmykheraheihoruskeahamarapresionBeniabuhasanOsirusnomarchramessearahahanecomansnahrqajwahrah III
To: Walter my son,he he he
Subject: Sit there and keep tight my son,he he he
Date: Tue Nov 20 09:26:34 2001

Message:
The Great King 
AbusmykheraheihoruskeahamarapresionBeniabuhasanOs
irusnomarchramessearahahanecomansnahrqajwahrah III   
                                   NOW HOLDS COURT
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!BOW LEAST LOOSE THY HEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
aaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiii

Walter my son,he he he,don't worry,he he he,everythings 

gonna work out just right,he he he....

aaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnn......................................


From: Walter
To: All
Subject: apology
Date: Tue Nov 20 09:47:47 2001

Message:
I just want to say how sorry I am for the way I have been 
acting.  You see I just stopped taking my Ritalin and have had 
trouble controlling my emotions.  I really don't hate America or 
the people that live there.  I just wish everyone could live in 
peace.  I also want to say how sorry I am to the FBI and the 
CIA.  I really didn't mean those things that I said.  I hope we 
can now all get along.

Peace be with you,
Walter

From: Ashraf
To: Open Mind/ Closed Fist
Subject: ...
Date: Tue Nov 20 10:44:34 2001

Message:
:)

Peace..

From: Justice USA
To: Allitti, Radio Europe, SPy, John, Eagle, etc.
Subject: Learn so much
Date: Tue Nov 20 11:41:59 2001

Message:
I learn so much from all of you and have to say, that you offer 
a lot to the board.  It is a shame that we have idiots that come 
on here but we know how to put each and every one of them in 
their place.  I like what Alitti said about Walter being a 
little militia psychopath.  True.  I pick him up as one of those 
goofballs too.   I dont know if HE is the same as UK PUKE VOICES 
but if he is, I wonder if he got his teeth fixed yet.  I wont be 
happy until at least TEN THOUSAND OF THOSE FUCKERS ARE KILLED.  
I dont even think we should be taking them as prisoners, what 
good does it do.  "Walter" has proven himself to be a coward a 
million times over again. Pathetic little worm.  

From: The Great King AbusmykheraheihoruskeahamarapresionBeniabuhasanOsirusnomarchramessearahahanecomansnahrqajwahrah III
To: Walter my son,he he he
Date: Tue Nov 20 13:01:36 2001

Message:
The Great King 
AbusmykheraheihoruskeahamarapresionBeniabuhasanOs
irusnomarchramessearahahanecomansnahrqajwahrah III   
                                   NOW HOLDS COURT
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!BOW LEAST LOOSE THY HEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
aaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiii

Walter my son,he he he.APOLOGY???!!!!!!

What about GREAT GOLLYJIHAD!!!!

aaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnn......................................

Don't ever do that again,Walter my son,he he he....

Now get back to work,he he he.....

aaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiii

aaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnn......................................

From: Justice
To: Spy, EagleEye, Justice USA, etc...
Subject: Cave Memo
Date: Tue Nov 20 13:17:41 2001

Message:
> > I N T E R C A V E      M E M O
> >
> > From:        Bin Laden, Osama
> > Sent:        Monday, October 22, 2001 8:17 AM
> > To:          Cavemates
> > Subject:     The Cave
> 
> ...............................................................
.........
> >
> > Hi guys. We've all been putting in long hours but we've 
really come
> > together as a group and I love that.
> >
> > Big thanks to Omar for putting up the poster that 
says "There is no I in
> > team" as well as the one that says "Hang In There, Baby." 
That cat is
> > hilarious. However, while we are fighting a jihad, we can't 
forget to
> > take care of the cave. And frankly I have a few concerns.
> >
> > First of all, while it's good to be concerned about cruise 
missiles, we
> > should be even more concerned about the scorpions in our 
cave. Hey, you
> > don't want to be stung and neither do I so we need to sweep 
the cave
> > daily. I've posted a sign up sheet near the main cave 
opening.
> >
> > Second, it's not often I make a video address but when I do, 
I'm trying
> > to scare the most powerful country on earth, okay? That 
means that while
> > we're taping, please do not ride your razor scooter in the 
background.
> > Just while we're taping. Thanks.
> >
> > Third point, and this is a touchy one. As you know, by 
edict, we're not
> > supposed to shave our beards. But I need everyone to just 
think hygiene,
> > especially after mealtime. We're all in this together.
> >
> > Fourth: Food. I bought a box of Cheez-Its recently, clearly 
wrote
> > "Osama" on the front, and put it on the top shelf. Today, my 
Cheez-Its
> > were gone. Consideration. That's all I'm saying.
> >
> > Finally, we've heard that there may be American soldiers in 
disguise
> > trying to infiltrate our ranks. I want to set up patrols to 
look for
> > them. First patrol will be Omar, Mohammed, Abdul, Akbar, and 
Richard.
> >
> > Love you lots.
> >
> > Osama

From: an Italian guy
To: walter
Subject: reply
Date: Tue Nov 20 13:14:47 2001

Message:
Some quotes of yours: 
"The terrorists on 9-11 died with 7,000 pigs."
"I personally enjoyed seeing thousands of them killed on 
television that day!"
"God it was great!"
Okay, you have demonstrated to be an evil scoundrel. 
Personally I wish you could get ALL the evil you deserve.
I don't know if people can say an evil-worshiper like 
you is a typical Muslim. Surely, if it was like this, 
we all should have to admit that Jews are quite right to 
kill Muslims.

The reasons Jews were historically hated lay in the evil
and in the stupidity of the human being, defects that you
well represent. 

"they're the Only race of people that no matter what 
country they live in,refuse to try to fit in with 
society."
No matter what country they lived in, they always had the
courage of keeping their religion and their identity.

"60 years ago,millions of them were slaughtered to let 
them know they weren't welcome in Europe anymore,but they 
were too dense to get the message."
Jews are now fighting against Palestinians to let THEM 
know they aren't welcome there - with all the terrorist
attacks they like to make - but they are "too dense to 
get the message".
Israeli military actions against Palestinians are just
heavy retaliations against Palestinian terrorist attacks,
or single murderings to prevent them.
Before the begin of eighties Israel patiently endured 
the endless slaughters of civilians al-fatah and black 
september made, just reacting with moderate relatiations; 
since those terrorist slaughters never ended, begin of 
eighties they started to more violently and massively 
retaliate against arab terrorism - and had their good 
reasons. This new course was wanted and provocated by
Palestitians, Walter.

"America has funded this terrorist network for years"
Well, Israelians aren't terrorists, because fighting a 
war for the own life is no terrorism. And America always
did a right thing helping Israelis, because Arabs would 
like exterminating them all, while they just want a 
place where to live (without attacks), and also because 
Palestinians could accept the 1948 ONU resolution and 
peacefully living in their terretory. 
IT'S THE PALESTINIANS, WHO WANTS THIS SITUATION.

"...but acts surprised and hurt when they get attacked 
for funding a terrorist network." Till now they've funded 
NO Israeli terrorist network yet, but only their war. 
And OF COURSE Americans have to act quite surprised and 
hurt now, why???

What, Americans "are attacking the Afganistan people for 
funding a terrorist network."??? Which one? Just an idiot
can say sentences like this one.

"Strange--the I can--you can't syndrome....."
It looks like YOURSELF have this strange syndrome,
"...an a person this would be called a borderlime 
personality disorder". 
Oh, like this would it, Walter?

"The Jews were slaves to the Egyptians for hundreds of 
years!!!Thats in your own christian bible!!!The 
Egyptians are NOT Arabs?LOL!!!!"
Oh, now they are, instead then they weren't yet. Egypt 
was invaded by Arabs after they started in the 7th 
century a.C. to spread off from Arab peninsula. 

What, Jews "take THEIR Messiah,drag him through the 
streets like a dog,stab him in the guts,hang him up on a 
cross,and leave him there to die"???. I always believed
that this made Romans, and that Jesus was CHRISTIAN'S
Messiah.....

AND NOW YOU'RE EVEN CAPABLE TO SAY THINGS LIKE:
"Americans are most bad mannered and ignorant people on 
the planet",
AND
"You REALLY know a lot about history AND the christian 
religion" ???
But don't you see how ridiculous you are???

"Kind of gives you a view of the Jewish mentality...."
All this right gives us kind of a view of YOUR own 
mentality.

"Are you REALLY so ignorant as to believe I would post my 
address?"
And in fact it was strange, if you really were no coward.
(About ignorance then you shouldn't have to talk.)

"The more you come to this board,and the more you hear 
from this disgusting group of people,the more you will 
understand why Americans are hated around the globe as 
much as they are."
No, truly the more I come to this board and hear from 
this disgusting group of people like you, "Walter", the 
more I will understand why Americans are hated from a few
countries on this globe, as much as they are.

"With every single day,I am learning to hate them and 
this country more and more." 
Oh, you're learning? I SPONTANEOUSLY hate people like you
and Islam countries more and more, instead.

"They spend billions of dollars to fund Israeli 
terrorism" 
They spend billions of dollars to fund Israeli war 
against evil Arabs.

"...then cry and pretend to be innocent when the 
same type of terrorism is visited on them."
No, they don't pretend to be quite innocent, they ARE.
What, "the same type of terrorism"? Why, do Israel make
coward and spectacular slaughters of thousands of innocent 
civilians, and at once, and to a country they aren't in 
war to, and whithout they to be retaliations for suffered
terrorist attacks? But don't you see yet, how stupid you
are???
"Welcome to the REAL world."
Hmmm.... Where did I read this sentence yet?...
I think you are an old acquiantance on this board. How
many nicknames did you use on here? Four?

Congratulations for your intellectual and moral values.

From: Everyman
To: All
Subject: Snow Retreat
Date: Tue Nov 20 13:07:41 2001

Message:
I hear SIBERIA is wonderful this time of year...Let's send Wally 
and his friend bin Laden & co. for an exclusive one-way 
trip...No utensils (binny eats w/his hands anyway); No radios, 
computers, televisions, phones, pens, pencils, paper, or other 
means of communication ('idolatrous' & 'satanic').

Oh, but wait...the wildlife up there might be subjected to too 
much pollution...

From: Justice
To: an Italian guy
Subject: your post
Date: Tue Nov 20 14:22:20 2001

Message:
You always seem to put things in perspective.  Great post.

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Ashraf
Date: Tue Nov 20 13:36:05 2001

Message:
Ashraf, you complimented another individual..that's fine...I've 
no problem with what you said! What I have the problem with 
Ashraf, was what it implied. You were at pains to point out your 
I.Q.-Intelligence Qoutient (I've got it right this time, have 
docked myself 1 I.Q. point for prior error making my own I.Q 
level around about -1!), was marked at 130 or so. Good for you. 

Assessing what you've articulated so far in your posts, you 
prize intelligence in other people, but those with great 
intellect are not necessarily great people. Careful Ashraf, 
because your sounding elitist. By virtue of the fact that one is 
elitist, it follows on, that one has then to be discriminatory. 
I take it that you, of course, do NOT like discrimination. Your 
compliment to one person was thus a back handed compliment to 
everyone else. 

What I value most in people, Ashraf, is Wisdom. That's what I 
look for. Wisdom and intellect are not neccasarily 
interchangable. A person can be termed stupid, but still have 
ALL their priorities in the right order, making them a good 
person.

I've said, ever since I joined the board, I don't prejudge 
anyone. If you can't understand the meaning behind this reply, 
then Ashraf, I'm sorry too.   

From: EagleEye
To: Italian Guy
Subject: I know the feeling .......
Date: Tue Nov 20 14:57:38 2001

Message:
Good points ..... no matter how much consideration and attempts 
at civility with entities [hes not a human] such as Waldo the 
pig jigalo, or facts you place in front of him  -he will fail to 
see the light.  I did like your perspective put forth about the 
Palastinians choosing/desiring the current situation | conflict.

Im done wasting effort with cordialities / civility with Waldo-
pig jigalo, my patience is nill with his kind.  Sometimes ya 
gotta fight fire with fire.  His only existance is to illicit 
disparaging and heinious responses to his first strikes of ILK - 
then arouse the decency of others to point their fingers and cry 
foul at the dispicable nature of the responders who retaliate in 
kind ..... very Palastinian like isnt it? And his genious 
brother ASSRASHf fell for it hook line and sinker ... like the 
little lamb follower he is.

In this case Italian Guy, your wisdom is literally .. Pearls 
before Swine. its a shame

Waldo pig jigalo, the UK Palastinian, Jew hating wannabe...... 
We understand your schizophrenic hallucination episode will soon 
be over and we can all get some releif ... the Thorazine meds 
are on their way.

The American medical system is a thing of beauty isnt it Waldo 
pig jigalo ... though you hate us we can keep the sow that sired 
you alive here in the States on Medicare/MediCaid - though 
you've contributed zero.  Waldo, what must it be like to know 
that you've lived your life leeching of the rest of the world 
and contributed ZERO to your fellow ?????? [insert your species 
here] Guess Id be angry at America too if I was as worthless as 
you ... the meds are coming its all gonna be OK.

From: EagleEye
To: AssRashf
Subject: your visit to the USA
Date: Tue Nov 20 15:22:29 2001

Message:
Well bad ass  .... upon your next visit you can come visit me 
here ..... I like to take the 2 wheelers out for a spin most 
Saturdays for a few hours and end up here.

http://4nrocket.com/html/cooks.htm

Ill either be on the Blue and White GSXR 750 [old school] or the 
Fat Boy - you cant miss that one - its got the EAGLE on the gas 
Tank.

Bon Voyage'

From: EagleEye
To: AssRashf
Subject: Ohhh and be sure to .....
Date: Tue Nov 20 15:41:45 2001

Message:
Roll up on that VESPA so I'll be able to recognize you ... I 
wouldnt wanna be looking for just the mono browed Genious.

From: Walter
To: EaglePussy
Date: Tue Nov 20 15:39:19 2001

Message:
Waldo, what must it be like to know 
                 that you've lived your life leeching of the rest 
of the world 
                and contributed ZERO to your fellow ?

FEELS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!

From: Walter
To: Italian Guy
Date: Tue Nov 20 15:48:43 2001

Message:
"Are you REALLY so ignorant as to believe I would post my 
                                            address?"
                    And in fact it was strange, if you really 
were no coward.

Post YOURS then.

From: AgnosticOne
To: Walter and Everyone
Subject: Islam
Date: Tue Nov 20 10:34:50 2001

Message:
The following is a special prayer for Walter:

"Dear Allah, the most compassionate and spiteful ONE, SAVE ME 
FROM YOUR FOLLOWERS."


Walter, spew all the bigotry and hate you want, America is great 
because she's tolerant enough to let you do this.  Didn't the 
Muslims learn this about 3-400 years ago, when they tolerated 
everyone else?  Don't you realize that the people that you 
should be attacking are your own governments? But you're stupid 
enough to buy into their diversionary tactics of letting you 
vent against the Jews and Christians.  

It will take another horiffic attack before our govt is serious 
about security.  But America will win this and all other battles 
against the followers of the false prophet(s).  History has 
shown, time after time, whenever a technologically superior 
civilization clashes with a technologically inferior 
civilization, the latter is either exterminated or reduced to 
living in the ghettos of Cairo and Arabia. 







From: AgnosticOne
To: Walter and Everyone
Subject: Islam
Date: Tue Nov 20 10:34:50 2001

Message:
The following is a special prayer for Walter:

"Dear Allah, the most compassionate and spiteful ONE, SAVE ME 
FROM YOUR FOLLOWERS."


Walter, spew all the bigotry and hate you want, America is great 
because she's tolerant enough to let you do this.  Didn't the 
Muslims learn this about 3-400 years ago, when they tolerated 
everyone else?  Don't you realize that the people that you 
should be attacking are your own governments? But you're stupid 
enough to buy into their diversionary tactics of letting you 
vent against the Jews and Christians.  

It will take another horiffic attack before our govt is serious 
about security.  But America will win this and all other battles 
against the followers of the false prophet(s).  History has 
shown, time after time, whenever a technologically superior 
civilization clashes with a technologically inferior 
civilization, the latter is either exterminated or reduced to 
living in the ghettos of Cairo and Arabia. 


http://www.msnbc.com/news/660358.asp




From: Walter
To: All
Subject: Above posts
Date: Tue Nov 20 16:08:14 2001

Message:
I am sorry again for the above posts.  It gets more difficult 
for me to control my anger since I stopped taking my 
medication.  Please forgive me.

Peace be with you all.
Walter

From: Walter
To: Americonfused
Subject: LOL!!!
Date: Tue Nov 20 16:12:58 2001

Message:
LOL!!!! Yeah........The Best part was....Peace be with you all.

From: Omar (thanks, Jonathan Edwards)
To: Osama
Subject: Re: memo
Date: Tue Nov 20 16:12:24 2001

Message:
Thanks a lot!  You hide all safe and warm in the cave with your 
videos, and leave me out in the cold; Well, let me tell you, 
the 'other side' is nothing like we thought it would be!  Allah 
wouldn't even speak to me!  Just tossed me down into this pit--
and believe me, there are no virgins here! But you'll find out 
soon enough... 

From: Bob sagget
To:
Date: Tue Nov 20 16:33:38 2001

Message:

From: Walter
To: Americonfused
Subject: LOL!!!
Date: Tue Nov 20 16:39:21 2001

Message:
LOL!!!! I just can't help myself.  LOL!!!!  I have split 
personalities and can't control it.  Please understand I need my 
medication.  I don't mean to hurt anyone.  FUCK OFF!!!  Wait I 
didn't mean that.  Sorry again.  I am going to ask my doctor for 
more medication.

Peace be with you all,
Walter.

From: EagleEye
To: World
Subject: Test Salute .......
Date: Tue Nov 20 17:20:24 2001

Message:
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From: EagleEye
To: World
Subject: Your welcome!!!
Date: Tue Nov 20 17:21:52 2001

Message:
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From: Radio Europe
To: Waldo, Pbuh
Date: Tue Nov 20 17:48:02 2001

Message:
WALDO,

Thank you for bringing your divine light upon us...

Your socio-intellectual religious insights are exactly what the 
evil west needs today.

It is this kind of unmeasurable wisdom that will eventually 
bring you and the likes of you to celestial greatness and  
infinite radious light. 
And Islam to its' knees.

In the powerplay you defend so argently, don't you feel your 
trousers slowly dropping down, then? 
Do you wear trousers, Walter?

For you see, dear Waldo if you want things to be played your 
way, there is an "ultimate solution".

By the logic of your powerplay, Walter, Mecca could have 
been wiped off the face of the earth by now.

So, what is it, that is holding the evil west, then?
Ethics, culture, civilisation, sophistication, education, human 
rights and all the other "western weaknesses" so rarely 
found in muslim states. 
Being "against" usually means "being dead" over there, 
usually after "being beaten" severely or sometimes "being 
raped", not seldom groupwise.

Only the moral ethics of the "degenerated west" and a 
highliy sophisticated military staff saved Afghanistan from 
being completely destroyed.

Would the same be true, for those waging the "holy war", 
then?
We don't think so.
Would Al-Qaeda have had the possibility to wipe out the 
pentagon by nuclear means, they would have, and in the 
name of god, too...

Your doctine of superiority holds no ground, here. 
We do not function that way, we function independently from 
race or religion. 
Our common interest is just that, freedom and democracy 
without all the other shit that is currently fucking up counties 
like Afghanistan, Philipines, Indonesia, Kashmir, Chechnia 
and more.

In civilised countries, wars are declared by statesmen, 
ministers of defense; not by priests, rabbi's, or immans, not 
even by lamas, mufti's or other religious elements. 

But islam does, calling for forces to come out that its' poor 
"warriors" cannot even comprehend.
Because they couldn't even if they wanted; they don't know 
what the world looks like...

And we listen to it, quietly, and shut up.  But, honestly, there 
is a limit to that, too. 

Do not agitate powers that are beyond what you can grasp.
Because they are here for us; the weak, democratic, 
civilised rest of the world...

We count on these powers because we installed them from 
our free will, we chose the people that play with them and 
gave our trust.

Just as you and Bin Laden may count on Allah... 

Pbuh... 


From: allatti2d
To: Walter
Date: Tue Nov 20 17:52:49 2001

Message:
Well, I thought I could speak to you civilly, Walter, but after 
your last few posts, I doubt you are well enough to have any 
kind of conversation with anyone, unfortunately.

Before these last posts, I kinda sorta understood Walter's 
previous posts after he explained them.  From what I gathered, 
he was saying that he was using a type of reverse psychology on 
a lot of people who post hateful messages to Arabs/Muslims by 
reversing the direction of attack onto Americans.  (Walter is 
American, by the way, born and bred, and is most assuredly NOT 
the same person as U.K. Voices -- if I'm wrong about that and he 
*is* the same person, I'd bet my life that he's more insanely 
dangerous than Hannibal Lechter.)  It seemed that Walter was 
trying to make a point, and that point was misinterpreted and 
then backfired.

Walter is young, I know that much, and he also has an inflated 
amount of intelligence for his age.  U.K. Citizen was right when 
he said that intelligence and wisdom were two separate things, 
that they could be mutually exclusive traits.  Wisdom is more a 
function of age and maturity, and intelligence is a function of 
genetic luck - neural activity plus information retention.  A 
lack of wisdom shows when someone who is intelligent believes 
himself (or herself) to be better than others based on what they 
know, rather than how they behave.

Walter has never been out of the west.  He probably has never 
been out of the country, but even if so, I know that he has 
never been to the middle east.  Walter, your obvious disdain for 
the U.S. reveals your lack of maturity and experience. (That was 
not an insult, by the way; it's a matter of fact with younger 
people.)  You are talking the rhetoric of Jerry Springer guests 
and backward, closed-minded mentality, opinions of others 
unsubstantiated by reason and knowledge and experience of ages.  
I don't know how you really feel about what's going on in the 
world, and I don't know if you actually have your own opinions 
or are just repeating what you've heard from those who have the 
most influence on you.

Walter, anger and hatred are two totally different things.  Do 
you know the difference?  Which do you have more of, or less of?

From: Radio Europe
To: Italian Guy
Subject: GREAT POST BTW!
Date: Tue Nov 20 18:11:22 2001

Message:

From: The Great King AbusmykheraheihoruskeahamarapresionBeniabuhasanOsirusnomarchramessearahahanecomansnahrqajwahrah III
To: Walter my son,he he he
Subject: GREAT GOLLYJIHAD
Date: Tue Nov 20 18:21:02 2001

Message:
The Great King 
AbusmykheraheihoruskeahamarapresionBeniabuhasanOs
irusnomarchramessearahahanecomansnahrqajwahrah III   
                                   NOW HOLDS COURT
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!BOW LEAST LOOSE THY HEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
aaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiii

Walter my son,he he he,<what about< GREAT GOLLYJIHAD

You have done NOTHing>to scare the weak infidels,he he 
he

aaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnn......................................

Walter my son,he he he,<tell them all>,he he he..... 

Now tell the pIgs,he he he,what you to do,he he he...

aaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiii

Walter my sin,he he he,theres many bitches heAr,he he he

wHen you come to thebes,he he he,many bitches to yOu,he 
he he

aaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnn......................................

<SCARE THE INFIDEls,he he he> ...Walter my son,he he he

tAke pride in your wORk.he he he....................

aaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiii

<DO NOT DISAPPOINT tHe <KING< Walter>my son,he he 
he...

aaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnn......................................

From: EagleEye
To: Radio Europe
Subject: Loud and Clear
Date: Tue Nov 20 18:19:25 2001

Message:
As always a superb broadcast ...... your signal is strong, only 
wish you had more air time to spread your message.

Ohhh and dont expect Waldo Pig Jigalo to respond. [WPJ from now 
on - since I know the misspelling will cinch the stright jacket 
even tighter] 

Bravo.

From: EagleEye
To: allatti2d
Subject: Waldo [WPJ] is ......
Date: Tue Nov 20 18:45:47 2001

Message:
indeed either the same, related or in the inner circle of 
influence of UK Voices - there are far too many similarities.

His admitted Work VISA trips to No Cal / Berkley give him the 
USA flair that is throwing you off the trail - his approach is 
too identical to UK Vomit:

1. Comes in ... gun's a blazing about USA male stereotypes 
[limpness]

2. Avoids all factual rebuttal with more nonsensical drivel.

3. Has the same fained amazement that someone would disect his 
fraudulant rantings and expose them for the baseless murmerings 
of a sociopath.

4. Has the same very topical cursory and shallow understanding 
of all issues {it] presents.

5. Gives little or no thought to 99.99% of his responses

6. demostrates the uncanny ability to overstate and emphasize 
the blatantly obvious ... in order to see more of his 
egomaniacle text on his 13" green screen monitor as viewed thru 
AOL.

7.  Same "LOL" AOL net newbie puke. 

From: allatti2d
To: EagleEye
Date: Tue Nov 20 19:10:39 2001

Message:
I agree that Walter appears to have the same mindset as 
UKVoiceless, but I'm talking about some speech patterns and 
cultural nuances I noticed that were different between the two 
identities.  That's why I stated that if they were indeed the 
same person, he'd be a dangerous wacko.  Someone who can pretend 
using very subtle techniques like that is a frightening idea.  I 
don't think they are the same person, though.  I think that UKV 
was slightly older, kind of a snob, and used charged language 
not so much to incite anger as to make himself feel superior... 
he is from a superior class, a superior country, and a superior 
government, he'd like to have us believe.

Our own Walter, on the other hand, is definitely younger (I 
could even believe he's 17 or 18), has never been married nor 
has children of his own, is either a middle child, a youngest 
child without siblings very close in age to him, or an only 
child.  I would put my money on him being a middle child, 
though.  He likes to feel mentally superior -- something more 
typical of his age, probably around 20, plus or minus 3 years -- 
and loves using the internet to feed his hunger for rebellion.  
He looks for government conspiracies so he can help crack the 
codes and prove their existence; he feels power in weapons; he 
has no tolerance for lower class poor people or upper class rich 
people, he hates Jews and blacks and hispanics and anyone that 
reminds him that he isn't entitled to be himself without others 
telling him what to think or how to behave.

This, of course, is my opinion.  I could be totally wrong, but I 
think my guess is probably about 83% accurate, if not more.  Any 
takers?

From: allatti2d
To: " " "
Date: Tue Nov 20 19:30:11 2001

Message:
By the way, I do think it's possible that Walter could have 
posted as Right Said Fred.  Another alias, another personality, 
not far off from this one while stil a world away.

From: snake~~eyes
To: allati
Subject: : ) good one!
Date: Tue Nov 20 19:30:25 2001

Message:
I think you have the boy pegged...
btw Im back from VA, what a great homecoming party on the pier 
for the guys and gals on the Enterprise...
i welcomed each and everyone of them as they walked on to the 
pier, and thanked them for the stellar job they did in the 
opening "kick off"...

The Teddy Roosevelt has replaced them and are doing a great job 
too!

and they wont come back til its over, over there!



From: Walter
To: Allatti2d
Date: Tue Nov 20 18:14:55 2001

Message:
Your 1st paragraph: First off,let me say that 4 of the posts 
above are not mine,but I certainly would like to give a warm 
thanks to those helping me out.LOL.
 Your 2nd paragraph:Right on the money.But lest you believe that 
I think of myself as a great humanitarian,let me tell you when 
the replys started pouring in,I attacked viscously.I think it was 
obvious......but thinking back,what the hell did I Think they 
were going to do?Again...LOL!
 Your 3rd paragraph:I'm not as young as you think,and of 
course,intelligence and wisdom are VERY seperate things.
 Your 4th & 5th paragraphs(the tough ones):I have been out of the 
country,but have never been to the Mideast(correct again).On 
9-11,I was as shocked and disgusted as most of the rest of 
America,and when I think about it,there are really no words to 
convey my feelings on that day.And I was so very amazed at the 
world's reaction to the attacks.I always believed that if 
something like this were to happen,we would be on our own,without 
hope or help from anywhere.I was and am still glad to be wrong.
 I don't know how old YOU are(I am over 30),but the kind of 
patriotism we're seeing today,I've only read about in history 
books.If you would have told me 6 months ago that America would 
band together on anything like this,I would have thought you were 
as crazy as you think I am right now.
 But...............
 But when I turn on my TV and hear George Bush referring to bin 
Laden & Co.as the "Evil Ones",I start to wonder when exactly it 
was that I auditioned to play Frodo.And once again,just like his 
father did,we are told"This is not against the 
Afganistani(Iraqi)people",and remembering how 500,000 civilians 
were killed in the Gulf war(and I don't care to argue the numbers 
with you,look it up and believe what you wish),and I start to 
wonder what other lies we're going to be told THIS time.I'm very 
tired of being told lies by my government.
 But for myself the absolute worst was the moment John McCain 
said, "Now is not the time for such divisive, destructive things 
                   as dialogue and debate. "Now is not the time 
                 for, 'My opinion is just as valid as yours,' and 
                What are my country's leaders doing and why?' and 
 'I have a question, Mr.President.' Now is the time for one thing 
and one thing only: 
                 The defense of the American democratic ideal. 
Any and all who 
                disagree with this directive, or who have 
different ideas about 
                   how it should be accomplished, should learn to 
shut their mouths." 
  Well sorry John,but a big part of America is its Constitution 
and its Bill of Rights,and you don't get to urinate on them just 
because you weren't wanted as President.
  But as it turns out,a lot of other people in America don't 
really mind too much if some of our rights as citizens are taken 
away.And That makes me furious!
  And last of all:I don't know if I'm at the point where I Hate 
this country,but am very,very angry and disgusted with it.And for 
those who think I just showed up one day and started flipping 
out:         From: One ashamed American 
                                            To: Ashraf 
                                     Subject: American attitude 
                                   Date: Sun Oct 14 04:18:46 2001 
                                            Message:

                I am so ashamed and disgusted with America right 
now that I wish 
                I was a citizen of nearly any other country.I 
have read all the 
                            posts here and cannot believe what I 
see.
                   I see posts by Americans who cannot spell 
attack others for 
                                   their lack of intelligence.
                I see posts by Americans shocked by acts of 
terrorism suggesting 
                       acts of terrorism and destruction of other 
nations.
                  I see posts by Americans who have religious 
freedom demanding 
                           that these rights be withheld from 
others.
                 I see that we as a nation,after 225 years,have 
come absolutely 
                  nowhere.We're STILL ready to round us up a 
posse and hang a 
                stranger  for the crime of passing through 
town.And when we hear 
               the cry of "Witch"!we instinctively start looking 
around for wood 
                                        to build a fire.
                                              Still.
                  A whole nation that switches the channel on 
their TV's when a 
                 starving child shows up on the screen cause they 
want to make 
                                sure they don't miss "Survivor".
                  A whole nation that bought "Freedom" and "I 
Love America"pins 
                 for their lapels,but can't seem to find any 
place to put their 
                                            homeless.
                 A Christian nation,that wouldn't for a second 
hesitate to call 
                    911 if they saw Jesus hanging around on their 
front lawn.
                 A whole nation,so self-centered that we don't 
even have a clue 
                                   as to why we are hated.....

From: Justice USA
To: Allatti2 and friends
Subject: Comforted a neighbor that lost her son in WTC today
Date: Tue Nov 20 19:38:52 2001

Message:
Hi, comforted a woman that lost her son in the world trade 
center this morning.  I cant even take a walk a few blocks away 
without seeing the missing Twin Towers.  Very difficult to get 
past this nightmare but doing well.  Yeah, I think Walter is 
also Right Said Fred.  He sounds like a very lonely pathetic 
person coming on this board and grasping at straws. 

All the insults in the world wont help as long as he keeps 
posting.  He is desperate to get any kind of attention.  I still 
feel that this "WALTER"  is a very lonely, isolated person that 
has a lot of father issues and mixed feelings regarding his 
mother.  He thinks he can throw a few words around and that will 
make him sound intelligent, when in fact, he is an imbecile.

Allatti2 please bring chocolate home baked cupcakes to your next 
post.  I have the Eight O' Clock coffee brewing and a special 
little rat poison cocktail for Walter as well. 

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Alltatti2d
Subject: 'Walter' a.k.a U.K.Voices?
Date: Tue Nov 20 19:23:03 2001

Message:
Remember, just as Al Capone got arrested for something 
relatively minor, ie; tax evasion, so it is echoed in this 
instance. It wasn't the obviously stated references to British 
Newspapers and the inclusion of British troops in 
his 'arguments'. It was one single word, AND ONLY one word that 
clinched it. Otherwise, I wouldn't have said 'definitely'. I had 
said it's probably U.K.Voices returned, not certainly. 
Probably , because one whose has had his fingers burned, I 
guess, just can't resist the urge to return to exact 
retribution, only...in another guise.

Then again of course....I could be wrong!     

From: EagleEye
To: Waldo Pig Gigalo
Subject: Holy shit your a sick fucked up bastard.
Date: Tue Nov 20 19:54:48 2001

Message:
From: One ashamed American 
To: Ashraf 
Subject: American attitude 
Date: Sun Oct 14 04:18:46 2001 
Message:

"I am so ashamed and disgusted with America right 
now that I wish 
I was a citizen of nearly any other country."

Just cant leave the cushy life though eh wpj? Talk about a 
sissy. Well Mr. do-gooder how many homeless have you saved today 
as you leech off welfare doles?  The rest of us Americans are 
appalled by you too. Leave now sissy girl ...... may I suggest 
Iraq - psycho's seem to be all the rage over there.  Maybe you 
could assume a Kurdish identity too ....?

Everything you say and everything you stand for is a fraud 
Waldo - UK Vomit for a Voice.  Please have a mid-life self 
abortion at the end of a .9 mm - I recommend GLOCK - nice and 
square like your head.  Surely in your sick state of obvious 
schizophrenia the Warden as Justice implied would grant a temp 
pardon of Kevorkian.


"I have read all the posts here and cannot believe what I 
see."

So what kind of a sick fuck goes soooo far out of their way to 
enrage people like you did - for what your high school essay - 
please down the whole bottle of Thorazine WJP.

Your psychosis is sooo severe Waldo ... you actually beleive 
your an American,  you actally beleive your an anti-war, peace-
nic liberal ....a small insignificant fat bald fool trying to 
bring about as much hate out of others as you no longer disguise 
about your govt.

I had to try and be as sick a fucker as you ... you just come by 
it au natural eh schizo? The depths of human psychosis never 
ceases to amaze me.  Are you ASSRashf too?

Hey Waldo pig gigalo - exacty how many grammatical and spelling 
errors?  You just get all anal about the spelling as you cant 
cut and paste stright into MS word for your High School term 
paper on Arabic relations.

Bye Bye Sir LIMPNESS - as in Palastinian.
                   

From: open mind/closed fist
To: Walter
Date: Tue Nov 20 20:26:35 2001

Message:

From: U.K.Citizen
To: EagleEye
Subject: Hmmmmm?
Date: Tue Nov 20 20:29:25 2001

Message:
In this sudden spirit of 'openess' and outpouring of emotions, 
it is now a moot point, because the evidence, conveniently 
enough, has of course been removed. But for what it is worth, 
which is probably not much, was that I as a U.K. resident, 
noticed the word 'defense' (U.S spelling) was curiously for an a 
supposed U.S national spelt thus, 'defence' (U.K. spelling). I 
refer of course to a post by 'Walter', that is now gone. Why 
would that be I wonder?....

Ah..probably just a typing error.....right? 

From: The Great King AbusmykheraheihoruskeahamarapresionBeniabuhasanOsirusnomarchramessearahahanecomansnahrqajwahrah III
To: Walter my son,he he he
Subject: GREAT GOLLYJIHAD
Date: Tue Nov 20 19:49:11 2001

Message:
The Great King 
AbusmykheraheihoruskeahamarapresionBeniabuhasanOs
irusnomarchramessearahahanecomansnahrqajwahrah III   
                                   NOW HOLDS COURT
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!BOW LEAST LOOSE THY HEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
aaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiii

Walter my son,he he he,they think you a coward,he he he

but WE do kNOw you great jihad warRior,he he he

aaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnn......................................

Walter my son,he he he,some call you names,he he he

one eVen say you small peckered peachsuckinG 
dipteron,he he he

aaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiii

Walter my son.he he he,tho ye be a peacHsucKing diPterOn

you still be my boy,he he he,little wArRior jihad boy,he he he

aaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnn......................................

<SCARE THE INFIDELnatIons,he he he>Walter my sin,he 
he he

you are thee daTEdiPteron on makos tail,he he he

aaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiii

WalTer my son,he he he,you need do mOrE,he he he

TRuesElF,tRueWalTer,TRuEdiPteron,knowtHYSelF,

                                    he he he,0.

aaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnn......................................

From: Walter
To: EagleLimp
Date: Tue Nov 20 20:39:56 2001

Message:
From: EagleEye 
                                          To: Italian Guy 
                                   Subject: I know the feeling 
....... 
                                   Date: Tue Nov 20 14:57:38 2001 
                                            Message:

                Good points ..... no matter how much 
consideration and attempts 
                 at civility ...Please have a mid-life self 
                 abortion at the end of a .9 mm - I recommend 
GLOCK

Attempts at civility,LOL!!!!

you actally beleive your an anti-war, peace-
                 nic liberal ..

Believe...again.......believe
I am a Pro-war conservative.LOL!!!

Hey Waldo pig gigalo - exacty how many grammatical and spelling 
                 errors? 
Once again...the word is believe
And once again...the word is gigolo
And of course one more time...Peacenik
 
Help!I'm being attacked by intellectuals!LOL!!!(AOL newbie 
expression)


From: EagleEye
To: UK Citizen
Subject: WPJ
Date: Tue Nov 20 20:56:00 2001

Message:
quite astute of you .... but all the mannerisms are there as 
well.  De Ja Vu too many times.  But certainly thats the nail in 
the preverbial coffin ... [oh I must stop teasing us all like 
that....]

Good to hear from you!

From: open mind/closed fist
To: walter and all
Subject: the new walter
Date: Tue Nov 20 20:26:35 2001

Message:
I have to tell you so just so you know, you incorrectly
capitalized "think" in your post. Just to be helpfull it was
in the middle of a sentence in your 2nd paragraph. 
 Walter it may come as shock to you but most Americans that I
know at some point dont agree with or trust our goverment. Hell,
people I work with, relatives, freinds everyone has something
they dont like about the goverment, homeless, outright lies, 
animal rights, you fucking name it! Federal goverment, state
goverment, city goverment, school board or whatever, cannot
be tailored to individual groups or persons but to the majority.
 Now this shit happens in America and the whole country gets
paranoid as hell and rights start going byebye and you start
to jump up and down about your rights. Well look at the flipside,
other people might think if paranoia had been here earlier their
mother, father, brother or sister might be alive this thanks-
giving.
 Now I know Allatti2d has to be right, I feel like Im lecturing
to my 12 year old. Now go to your room walter and think about
what you have done!

From: EagleEye
To: Waldo the insignificant minority pig [J]igalo
Subject: When you've got nothing ......
Date: Tue Nov 20 21:20:07 2001

Message:
of merit to reply with -you look for the insignificant.

"Believe...again.......believe
I am a Pro-war conservative.LOL!!!"

I bel"ei"ve the term your searching for is FRAUD.

"Help!I'm being attacked by intellectuals!LOL!"

I'd like to help, but cannot determine which one of your multi 
personalities are in need of assistance - as in suicide.

Is it the UK theater going fraud, is it Aladdin the Arabian 
Stallion or the Palastinian anti semite or the Pig Jigalo - ahhh 
fuck it lets just do em all and get it over with.

From: Noah
To: Walter, Ashraf, UK Citizen, Allatti2d
Subject: Nuts...me too
Date: Tue Nov 20 17:37:57 2001

Message:
Hello. I'm crazy too, but I care about people. You are just 
crazy, spiteful and malicious. I wish it were true that you 
were going to be taken into custody, but the thing is you 
probably aren't worth it. Just another looney on the net. I 
guess I am too. I take it back that I thought you were 
intelligent without wisdom. You aren't intelligent at all. Think 
about what you say before you say it. Americans care a great 
deal about each other. Many of us are impatient jerks, but 
still we are kind-hearted enough to care for our own in 
addition to the rest of the world. 

Usa funds Israeli terrorism. Hmmm maybe we should just 
keep letting your terrorists provoke them and not intervene 
when they want to blow you all to kingdom come. Sad sad 
sad. Ingrateful bigot! By the way, who is your God? and why 
do you pray to him and Allah? Zoroaster? I hope you realize 
that your heart hurts God when you pray. no love...no 
humanity...sincerity? maybe. It's not my place to judge I 
know, but I was surprised that you profess to pray.

Ashraf - Just when I think you're a pretty decent person, you 
condone the speech of people like Walter. Yuck. "I find you 
crazy, ubalanced, but Hilarious" WHAT?? is that your sense 
of humor too? Jee, let's have a laugh at some more people 
dying. Oh look there's another unwitting American burning 
alive - isn't it a knee slapper??? That makes me sick.  I 
agree with others that you are impressed by yourself and 
your I.Q. 

Tests of intelligence mean nothing. Intelligence means 
nothing. Nobody ever said King solomon was intelligent, 
though he might have been, but he had wisdom and that is 
all one really needs. 

I still think you mean well and are still jaded by thinking that 
all the problems in the middle east are America's fault. I'm 
tired of this country being everybody's scapegoat. Maybe its 
a small price to pay for not having to share the same 
continent. It sucks to hold your hand out to someone and 
have it bitten. Think about that for a while (I'm not just saying 
that to you Ashraf, my tirade is not directed at you 
personally). Ashraf, the way you use the word "peace" in 
your parting words to EagleEye, implying the opposite of 
what the word means, makes me doubt your intentions. 
Sorry, but I'm mostly frustrated that you lumped yourself in 
with such a miserable excuse for a person as 'walter'. 

UK Citizen - You rock. Your posts are peaceful, 
understanding and righteous. It's good to have allies. I don't 
think I've addressed you much berfore, but it's only cause I 
agree with everything you write. You should get more props. 

Allatti2d - I don't know how often you visit, but I just wanted to 
say Hi.

All the rest - My greetings and best wishes for a peaceful 
thanksgiving. 

From: Spy
To: open mind/closed fist
Subject: 12 year old
Date: Tue Nov 20 21:26:53 2001

Message:
No matter what this idiots age is, he is one sick puppie.
Maybe if some lumberjack cut 'em in half and count the 
rings he cold tell us how old he is.

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Those in message...
Date: Tue Nov 20 21:37:45 2001

Message:
Noah: Thank you sir, for very kind words. I look forward to 
reading your comments in future, SOONER rather than later I hope.

Allatti2d: Ah..the feminine touch. Nuff said.

EagleEye: I saluted the flag, did I do good?

I'm not sure what it's about, but heck..A happy Thanksgiving to 
one all on the board!



 

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Spy
Date: Tue Nov 20 21:57:04 2001

Message:
Refer to my last post, likewise sentiments to you sir!

From: Walter
To: All
Subject: Please help me
Date: Tue Nov 20 22:27:53 2001

Message:
I am trying to get more medication, honest.  I can't control my 
split personalities and I fear I am hurting innocent people.  I 
know I can only say I'm sorry so many times but please believe 
me when I say that I have mental problems.  I can be this sweet 
little boy but other times when I have the brain pain I turn 
into this horrible monster that wishes the world harm.  I really 
do mean good.  With Thanksgiving around the corner, I am having 
a hard time finding a doctor's office that is open and will 
prescribe medicine for me.  Please accept my apologies.

Peace be with you,
Walter

From: http://ummahnews.com/pagelocation.php?regionid=1
To: http://ummahnews.com/pagelocation.php?regionid=1
Subject: http://ummahnews.com/pagelocation.php?regionid=1
Date: Tue Nov 20 22:40:29 2001

Message:
http://ummahnews.com/pagelocation.php?regionid=1

 
 
Tue-20-Nov-2001 
 
Israeli occupation forces devastate Rafah 2001-11-20 19:40:39

Israeli tanks deliberately ran over two Palestinians 2001-11-20 
19:40:39

Israelis execute injured Palestinian 2001-11-20 19:40:39

PA, Israel unenthusiastic about Powell's speech 2001-11-20 
19:40:39

Plain Truths 2001-11-19 20:39:13

Egypt trying 94 Muslim dissidents 2001-11-19 20:29:57

Israeli army raids Palestinian area 2001-11-19 20:29:57

Jailed Palestinians start hunger strike 2001-11-19 20:29:57

Israeli occupation army bars Muslims from praying at Aqsa Mosque 
on the first day of Ramadan 2001-11-17 19:44:39

American Intellectuals Advocate Boycott Of Israeli Companies 
2001-11-17 19:43:14

Lebanese Central Bank says no to Hizbullah freeze 2001-11-16 
20:03:06

Mother of five killed in new Israeli attacks 2001-11-16 20:03:06

Lebanese army serves ultimatum to largest Palestinian refugee 
camp 2001-11-16 20:03:06

Israeli soldiers assassinate Palestinian fighter 2001-11-15 
19:27:53

20 settlement sites built since Sharon came to power 2001-11-15 
19:27:53

Israel not using UK arms against Palestinians: British minister 
2001-11-15 19:27:53

Saudi prince warns clerics to avoid inflammatory rhetoric 2001-
11-15 19:27:53

Yemen tightens visa controls 2001-11-15 19:27:53

Palestinian woman killed; Israeli tanks enter Khan Younis 2001-
11-14 20:27:25

Refugees should give up right of return: Palestinian official 
2001-11-14 20:27:25

Ilisu Dam campaign victory as construction firm withdraws 2001-
11-14 20:27:25

Egyptian groups denounce sentencing of 23 homosexuals 2001-11-14 
20:27:25

Algerians claim government lying on storm deaths 2001-11-14 
20:27:25

Turkish police intervene in hunger strike protests 2001-11-14 
20:27:25

Dubai commercialises Ramadan 2001-11-14 20:27:25

Turkey agrees to receive gas under Tehran legal threat 2001-11-
14 20:27:25

OPEC agrees to slash output 2001-11-14 20:27:25

Daniel Pipes Should 2001-11-13 18:41:12

Media Watchdog Condemns 'War Against Islam' Statement By US 
General 2001-11-13 18:30:05

Iraq next on US target list: Powell 2001-11-13 18:29:01

Palestinian and Israeli Negotiatiors on the Right of Return: The 
Taba Proposals 2001-11-13 18:11:52

Israeli army invades Tal village 2001-11-13 18:08:23

Land confiscated in Jabi , Jerusalem 2001-11-13 18:05:48

Zionist apartheid regime to indict lawmaker for making non-
conformist statement 2001-11-12 18:30:06

Eyewitnesses say Zionist troops killed Reihan in full view of 
his family 2001-11-12 18:23:56

Israeli police asks ministers to leave homes for safety 2001-11-
11 19:37:19

Israel to get F-22 jets from US 2001-11-09 20:01:37

Political group raps Iran's stance on Afghan crisis 2001-11-09 
20:01:37

Arab states want clear definition of terrorism 2001-11-08 
20:22:02

Bomber dies in Israeli commando operation 2001-11-08 20:22:02

Sharon says Syria responsible for abducted soldiers 2001-11-08 
20:22:02

Kurds intensify contacts amid rising tension 2001-11-08 20:22:02

PA calls new Zionist peace plan worse than occupation 2001-11-07 
20:07:43

Bishara affair exposes racist Israeli democracy 2001-11-07 
20:07:43

Apartheid regime forces attack civilians, kill cab driver 2001-
11-07 20:07:43

Rift reported in Iraqi intelligence 2001-11-07 20:07:43

Gunman killed at Qatar airbase 2001-11-07 20:07:43

Israeli occupation army leaves parts of Ramallah 2001-11-07 
16:54:45

Israel allows documentary on its nuclear option 2001-11-06 
19:46:02

Sharon tells Palestinians to accept occupation 2001-11-06 
19:46:02 


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From: The Great King AbusmykheraheihoruskeahamarapresionBeniabuhasanOsirusnomarchramessearahahanecomansnahrqajwahrah III
To: Walter my boy,he he he
Subject: Mania61
Date: Tue Nov 20 22:42:54 2001

Message:
The Great King 
AbusmykheraheihoruskeahamarapresionBeniabuhasanOs
irusnomarchramessearahahanecomansnahrqajwahrah III   
                                   NOW HOLDS COURT
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!BOW LEAST LOOSE THY HEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
aaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiii

Walter my son,he he he,your rebUtt to one called eAgle,he 
he he

<WAS WEAK!!!!>but thy King know you tired,he he he

aaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnn......................................

GOLLYJIHAD my boy,he he he,ordure al'aWalter,he he he

 you small peckered peachsuckinG dipteron,he he he

aaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiii

<YoU NeVerREST!!!!!!!!!!>>>he he he, 

you still be my little jihad wArRior boy,he he he

aaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnn......................................

From: Noah
To: Walter
Subject: sickness
Date: Tue Nov 20 22:35:40 2001

Message:
A repenter is forgiven...I hope you can get some medication.
God bless!

From: Spy
To: Walter
Subject: Pharmacy--open thankgiving
Date: Tue Nov 20 22:49:36 2001

Message:
10755 Burt St.
Omaha,Nebraska

From: Walter
To: Spy
Subject: Pharmacy
Date: Tue Nov 20 23:03:44 2001

Message:
I looked into that address Spy and it was the FBI building.  Why 
would you send me there?  Are you making fun of my sickness?  I 
don't think that is very appropriate and not very nice.  EAT 
SHIT!!!!  I'm sorry.  It's the brain pain again.  Please do not 
make fun of me.  I have a real problem and need help.
Thanks for your support Noah.

Peace be with you,
Walter

From: Walter
To: Allatti2d
Date: Tue Nov 20 22:44:46 2001

Message:
Now I know Allatti2d has to be right, I feel like Im lecturing
                  to my 12 year old.  -----Fist
Allatti2d: Ah..the feminine touch. Nuff said.-----U.K.Citizen
I have treated you decently Allatti2d,but it seems as though you 
have some problems with that.Fine.

From: Spy
To: Walter
Subject: I'm Sorry
Date: Tue Nov 20 23:10:54 2001

Message:
I'm sorry that I say so many ignorant things to you.You just 
make so mad sometimes!And when that happens,I can hardly think 
straight.I start thinking about when I was little,and my Mom used 
to take in her bedroom,and make me touch her p--p---uh---where 
she pees from....I know it was wrong but she said it was 
OK...that I was supposed to learn things.....but I.....I don't 
wanna talk about it anymore........

From: Spy
To: Walter
Subject: My mistake--try this one
Date: Tue Nov 20 23:16:52 2001

Message:
935 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20535-0001

From: Walter
To: Spy
Subject: I'm Sorry
Date: Tue Nov 20 23:22:18 2001

Message:
I'm sorry that I say so many ignorant things to you.You just 
make so mad sometimes!And when that happens,I can 
hardly think 
straight.I start thinking about when I was little,and my Mom 
used 
to take in her bedroom,and make me touch her 
p--p---uh---where 
she pees from....I know it was wrong but she said it was 
OK...that I was supposed to learn things.....but I.....I don't 
wanna talk about it anymore........

From: Walter
To:
Date: Tue Nov 20 23:23:51 2001

Message:
We have added the Bris leftovers to your order as 
requested. We 
were unaware of their delicacy status over in Islam .... the 
idea of barbeque'ing them and serving on a pork rhind never 
occurred to us - but it is a free world ... well most of it 
except ALLAH's glass factory and those stench filled 
Palastinian 
refugee camps.

PS - Mr Sharon sends his love, and thanks you for sisters 
favors 
last evening.  He was apologetic about not being able t 
oblige 
her begging for the D.O.D. up her zero ... but she was still 
gaping and sore from the Mossouds visit the night before.  
He 
said not to worry - he'll oblige her on the next visit.

Hope RamaBomb brings you and yours a cheerful 
Honnakuh
------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: John
To: ALL OF YOU .. oh, except the garbage man walter
Subject: I like the jellied kind...
Date: Tue Nov 20 22:36:51 2001

Message:
I'm so proud of all of you great Americans

I wish I could invite ya all to Thanksgiving dinner, well - not 
all of you...  The garbage man is certainly not welcome.  And 
Ashref hates Jews, so of course he can't come..  Cranberry 
sauce, who's bringing the cranberry sauce?  And not that wattery 
stuff.  I like the fake jellied kind that's shaped like the can.

HAPPY THANKSGIVING.

I am beginning to smile greater Mr. garbage man...

From: Walter
To:
Date: Tue Nov 20 23:29:09 2001

Message:
hey! OSAMA,i know the reason why you are very angry with 
american... because some servicemen turned down your 
financial offer to suck their dick. poor OSSAMA, get a life 
dude. From fruitfly dick small and limp,Walter 

From: Walter
To: John
Date: Tue Nov 20 23:53:38 2001

Message:
Now my heart is broken John.Please can I come?

From: Walter
To: Walter
Subject: Walter
Date: Sun Nov 18 07:21:30 2001

Message:
A day that will be remembered forever!
At least by me!I laughed my ass off all day long!
Americans are most bad mannered and ignorant people on 
the planet 
and I personally enjoyed seeing thousands of them killed 
on 
television that day!And replayed over and over!I burned 2 
CD's of 
mpegs of the world trade center crumbling like a cheap 
toy,and 
Americans running and screaming!God it was great!

From: Noah
To: Thankful People
Subject: life
Date: Tue Nov 20 23:39:13 2001

Message:
I just want to tell everyone that I'm no longer exhausted 
because a long weekend is coming soon! That makes me 
very happy and I can stop smelling chemicals all day for a 
while. I think it's killing my brain cells. Anyway, we all have a 
lot to be thankful for. All of us are blessed with life, with 
free-will, with unconditional love. Anyone on this site must 
be blessed with some education - the ability to read and 
write is taken for granted all-too-often. I am thankful to live in 
America as I am sure many others are thankful to have 
homes in other countries around this beautiful world. I pray 
for peace for the Afghan people - it looks like prayers will 
soon be answered. I pray that all of you continue to be 
blessed with personal peace in the midst of life's tumult. 

It's fun to chat...
Ashraf, I didn't mean to sound angry at you before. I was just 
mad at Walter, but apparently, he is merely chemically 
imbalanced, so I'll back off. I just had trouble letting go of the 
spiteful feeling exuded. 

John - I haven't heard much from the west coast lately. How 
are things? I used to live in Hacienda Heights and Agoura 
Hills, so you're probably not too far from my childhood 
home. Hope all is well. Have a happy weekend.

UK Citizen - Thanks for the good wishes. Even though it's 
not really a holiday in Europe, I hope you have a great 
thursday :-). 

Hi ho silver! Awayyyyyy!

From:
To:
Date: Wed Nov 21 01:38:24 2001

Message:
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grgjhjklopgfdsfv 
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From: Ashraf
To: John
Subject: ..
Date: Wed Nov 21 03:00:23 2001

Message:
I hate Palestinian-Killing Jews for the same reason you hate 
OBL..

Get that through your thick skull, one way or the other..

And YES!! I hate Palestinian-Killing, Palestinian raping Jews.. 
and to hell with ur party, and hospitality.. I'd over-estimated 
your intelligence..

Peace..

From: EagleEye
To: here
Subject: Arab mentality
Date: Wed Nov 21 03:06:47 2001

Message:
AssRashf penned:

"I hate Palestinian-Killing Jews for the same reason you hate 
OBL.."

"And YES!! I hate Palestinian-Killing, Palestinian raping 
Jews.." 


First off ... Im sure Assrashf is just a little delirious from 
his latest fast, then bending over on all fours 100x for prayers 
has left him senseless .... and cranky - or it could just be 
that time of the RamaBomb ... or the cold hard facts that OBL is 
gonna get caught, is guilty as hell and we do have facts to nail 
his ass and Towel e go Baaaam to a sand dune is ruining one of 
his many excuses to despise Americans .......

but to the point,  isn it kind of odd how Arabs in general get 
soooo fucking pissed off at people [Jews, Christians who ever] 
using their own dirty Arab tricks against them in retaliation?

They act as if Palastinians dont kill Jews, they act as if the 
entire Arab region wouldnt kill the Jews for shits and giggles 
in a most heinous way.

From: EagleEye
To: Waldo Pig Jigalo
Subject: dont even pretend to be......
Date: Wed Nov 21 03:19:22 2001

Message:
an intellectual human after your stellar auschwitz oven post.

Havent heard from you in a while - guess the Thorazine meds are 
kicking in and you've returned to your normal singular self. I 
would guestimate that reality sets you down somewhere near San 
Francisco's plethora of transexual pockets.

How'd the change over operation go Wanda?

From: allatti2d
To: Walter
Date: Wed Nov 21 02:59:54 2001

Message:
Walter, I believe I can pick your true posts out from the fake 
ones now.  Not always, but mostly.

I appreciated that last long post you left.  It appeared very 
sincere.  It's hard to believe you are over 30, but I'll accept 
that.  You are a very young 30, then, well away from 40, I'm 
sure.  (I'm not a psychic and I'm nearly 34, but I've studied a 
lot of this crap.)

Look, Walter, I'm not sure which post or group of posts exactly 
represents the real you, but it seems most reasonable that your 
last lengthy one did.  I'm having a lot of trouble getting over 
the fact that an intelligent, decent person would make light of 
such a tragedy (or tragedies) just to prove a point.  I don't 
know what would convince me that anyone would do such a thing 
and still be normal and not an adolescent.

I have been dropping into this board for a few weeks now.  I 
would not be coming here if it were full of only ignorance and 
hate and babbling, vulgar nonsense.  There is anger and 
certainly a lot of hatred for the evil minds that put the 
terrorist wheels in motion, and I'm okay with that for one 
reason...  It is balanced with some incredible perspectives and 
valid international opinions and some intelligent people worthy 
of a discussion with better minds than mine.  And there are 
truly caring, loving people here.

Look at the forest of this board some time, Walter, and you 
might just see what I'm talking about.  Try not to pick the 
leaves off of any individual trees. 

Wish I could stay and leave messages for my dear Mssrs. U.K. 
Citizen and Exhausted/Noah and Justice USA (who has a heart of 
pure gold), but I'm too sleepy now.  It's nearly 12:30 a.m. and 
I have to be up in 4 hours and guess who's Exhausted now? :)

From: allatti2d
To: Justice USA
Subject: Dessert
Date: Wed Nov 21 03:38:31 2001

Message:
Sorry I forgot to mention, JUSA, I just pulled the cupcakes out 
of the oven and they're steamy warm.  Also have hot chocolate 
and cold milk if you want some.  Four beers in the fridge 
(Miller Genuine) for anyone who wants them.

I'm making pumpkin pies and banana cream pie tomorrow after 
work... I'll be sure to save some for you!

Y'all have a great night.  I wish I could be here
a little more often.

From: Al-quida people are mean
To: Osama Bin Laden
Subject: Your Mean
Date: Sun Sep 30 17:26:34 2001

Message:
Why are you guys so mean to me. I mean that you hit in the leg 
one time and you didn't say you were sorry. That hurt my 
feelings. I was in the hospital for ten minutes. So you want to 
know what I'm going to do to you. I'm going get my Tommy Gun and 
shot you until you are dead. And even if your dead I'm going to 
kill you some more.

                                                   Hate you Later
                                          Al-quida peole are mean

From: Al-quida people are mean
To: Osama Bin Laden
Subject: U.s.a
Date: Wed Nov 21 08:38:00 2001

Message:
I'm an 
American and I hate you.


                                                 Hate You allways
                                         Al-quida people are mean

From: allatti2d
To:
Date: Wed Nov 21 08:42:03 2001

Message:
Look at the dates of the last two messages from "Al-quida people 
are mean" ... isn't that weird? 

From: allatti2d
To: Ashraf
Subject: Jews
Date: Wed Nov 21 10:14:28 2001

Message:
Ashraf, why don't you try something that seems to work for some 
people.  Instead of saying, "I hate Palestinian-Killing, 
Palestinian raping Jews," why not say, "I hate people who kill 
and rape" or "Alfred is evil for wanting to hurt my neighbors" 
or "Floyd should be shot for raping that girl" or something 
along those lines.  That way you don't include an entire group 
in your anger, because most groups are comprised of varying 
individuals, from sicko monsters to caring, decent individuals.  
This could abate some of your anger and bias.

I have red hair.  If someone said, "All redheads should die 
because they are murderers and rapists" because of bad 
experiences they might have had with redheads, I would be upset 
and defend everyone with red hair.  So would my friends.  It's 
the same thing when someone gets up and says "All Muslims are 
dirty dogs and should be blown to bits because they are all baby 
killers and torturers of innocent people."  I can't stand that 
mentality, and I stand up against such generalizations.  Would 
you like to be included in that group, just because bin Laden 
and the Taliban are Muslims and have committed such horrific 
acts?  I don't think you are a murderer or a rapist, though I 
don't know you.  I don't believe all Muslims are like bin Laden 
or the Taliban.  That is why I don't hate an entire group.  I 
know Jews who are fantastic, wonderful, giving people, and I 
know Muslims who are the same.

Will you concede that some of the edge and stress and hate may 
be removed from your heart if you try this?  Will you try it?

From: allatti2d
To: U.K. Citizen
Date: Wed Nov 21 10:27:36 2001

Message:
U.K. Citizen, I noticed the same thing you did with UKV's post 
(defence vs. defense).  I also noticed the reverse with at least 
one of Walter's posts.  I understand why you feel the possiblity 
exists that they are the same person.  I have American friends 
who spend a lot of time on the internet with European friends, 
and often pick up some of their English spelling or even 
phrasing.  However, my reason for not believing that they are 
the same person have more to do with the personality flavors 
that are different from a psychological point of view.  I'm not 
a psychologist, but I was studying it in college years ago and 
it's something I'm very interested in.  It's a little hobby of 
mine to study people and make characterizations of their 
personalities.  I'm not always right by any means, but sometimes 
common sense and my experience with it gives me a slight edge.

My opinion is if someone has the slyness to be able to slip in a 
subtle misspelling like that to confuse others, he/she really is 
a diabolical and maniacal individual, and with such intelligence 
has the capacity to be very dangerous with a mental illness to 
boot.  I do not want them to be the same person; I want to give 
Walter the benefit of the doubt as to his explanation for his 
behavior (as unsettling as it was), and I want to believe UKV is 
a pompous, ignorant ass who feels he is above all Americans and 
his attitude is vastly slanted in that direction.  It speaks of 
his age as well, though the difference is that I believe UKV is 
older, probably in his late 40s or early 50s, and has a very 
large stick up his rear that he refuses to remove.  He will not 
come down off his high horse to mingle with the little Americans 
and get to know us as human beings.

Does that make sense to you?  And why am I the only one posting 
this morning?  I have to go to work! :)

From: John
To: Ashraf
Subject: ...like it or not, the Israeli Jews are part of our Western World.
Date: Wed Nov 21 11:17:12 2001

Message:
You said --> 

I hate Palestinian-Killing Jews for the same reason you hate 
OBL..

Get that through your thick skull, one way or the other..

And YES!! I hate Palestinian-Killing, Palestinian raping Jews.. 
and to hell with ur party, and hospitality.. I'd over-estimated 
your intelligence..

********

There has has been a collective hate (Muslim hatred of Jews) 
long before the recent (what we and the Jews define as) 
defensive and retaliatory strikes.  When this pure hatred for 
Jews permiates a society, or in this case an entire culture, 
absolutely NO compromise is possible.  It is quite unfortunate 
that the call for hate driven by the Muslim religion has such 
impact.  What prior was a seemingly totally unjustified hate 
within the Muslim World, now today, because Israelis defend 
themselves, gains credibility amongst all Muslims, practicing or 
not practicing of the Muslim faith.  The hate is so prevelant, 
so overwhelming, all Muslims (seemingly anyway) hate Jews.  
Whereas the claim that all Jews hate all Muslims is just not 
so.  The difference being education.  It is a fact that the 
average Jew is greatly more educated compared to the average 
Middle Eastern Muslim (not the Westernized Muslim of which I 
include you amongst, or I would not attempt communication).  
Education does offer tolerance and understanding.  As 
represented by your statement you do not hate all Jews, only 
those Jews who perpetrate violence upon Palestinians.

You may believe the stories of attrocities committed against 
Palestinians at the hands of Jews.  Some may be based on fact, 
as always there are some individuals acting outside the 
collective group mentality.  It is the Western position that the 
attrocities are infrequent and no where near match up to the 
attrocities committed against Jews.  The most powerful argument 
being Israeli retalliation is state sponsored and most always in 
response to a prior Palestinian attack.  Whereas Palestinian 
attacks are mostly individuals belonging to independent terror 
groups bent on the annihilation of the Jews.  Arafat (with 
present little success) really is attempting to reduce the 
attacks on Jews.  A new position, as he now understands the 
price to be paid.

Our opinions will never match up, Ashraf.  But that does not 
matter.  Arafat may (no, he will) this time accept the 
compromise.  The world may not be rid of terrorists, but the 
price paid for terrorism is being raised so high, suicide 
bombings (and that is what a suicide bomber is, he is a 
terrorist) - will stop.  When that happens, Israeli retalliation 
will stop.  Israeli kills far outweigh Palestinian kills.  
Israeli's are more powerful.  When attacked they retalliate with 
insurmountable force.  As, Americans do.

If you and the Muslim World want to retain your hate.  Go right 
ahead.  The price for is going to be very high.  Either 
extinguish the hate or expect more terror groups from the Muslim 
World, equalling and creating more war and greater isolation 
from the Western World.  They cannot win a war against the west, 
and like it or not, the Israeli Jews are part of our Western 
World.  Have a good day.  

John
E pluribus unum 

From: Holland/Italy
To: Where are the righteous Muslims?
Subject: This board
Date: Wed Nov 21 10:18:28 2001

Message:
How come I never see any posts from objective, intelligent (pro-)
Muslims on this board? Never any real simpathy for Americans or 
shame for what has happened only two months ago, all they can do 
is manipulate facts to their own advantage and drag out old 
stories to excuse and cover up the atrocities. They talk about 
other persons being foul-mouthed not accepting the fact that 
Americans are the only people in the world at this moment who 
have a right to be really angry. The Afghans should take it out 
on their own people, the Iraqees should take it out on Saddam. 
And the Palestinians? OK, lets get it over with and give them 
their piece of land, for the sake of "peace in this world"(?), 
but just like Americans now, Jews have more rights than anybody 
else for what has happened to them in WW2 and let's not have any 
shit about things having been magnified or made up by them; my 
own grandfather hid a family of five for four years in his 
cellar behind a load of coal, my aunt risked her life at the 
town-hall changing Jewish names into Dutch ones, so people would 
not be found by the Nazis and sent to concentration camps, two 
trees are planted for my grandparents at Yad Vashem in Israel. 
Visit www.yad-vashem.org.il.  
Schroeder,the German prime-minister wants to attend the next 5th-
may celebrations in Holland, but perhaps he will not be welcome. 
Not at that very special day at least, too many people who have 
experienced nazi-offence are still alive today. For sure 
Schroeder will understand but how is it possible that muslims 
today are so unashamed? I'm surprised that not one of them has 
come forward so far just to pay their respects and take distance 
from their fanatical fellow-Muslims, without any "buts". 
Remember,(quote from Roy Brown, vice-President of the 
I.H.E.U.): "To argue that it is only a few Islamic extremists 
who are guilty rather than Islam itself is to argue that it was 
only a few Germans who were responsable for the holocaust, not 
Nazism itself... "

       

From: John
To: UK Citizen
Subject: Thanksgiving
Date: Wed Nov 21 12:37:36 2001

Message:
You inquired about our Thanksgiving.  The Heritage Foundation 
(http://www.heritage.org), sent this to me this morning.  I 
thought I'd share it.

"Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the 
providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for 
His benefits and humbly to implore His protection and favor," 
Washington calls on all Americans to devote themselves "to the 
service of that great and glorious Being, who is the beneficent 
Author of all the good that was, that is or that will be." - The 
first National Day of Thanksgiving, as legislated by Congress 
and proclaimed by President Washington (1789).   

Washington's words make it clear that the Thanksgiving spirit 
reaches deep into the principles of America's founding, as 
chronicled in The Interactive Founder's Almanac 
http://www.heritage.org/almanac/.  This parallel is the primary 
reason that Thanksgiving has played an important role in our 
nation's history as it evolved into today's holiday.  In 1863, 
during some of the darkest days of America's civil war, 
President Lincoln declared that the last Thursday in November 
should be Thanksgiving Day.  Throughout the late 19th century, 
the holiday became an expression of American values that was 
increasingly embraced by the waves of immigrants becoming 
citizens themselves.  In 1939, President Franklin Roosevelt 
shifted the day of Thanksgiving from the last Thursday in 
November to one week earlier so that the Christmas shopping 
season would be longer.  Opposition to this change was fierce 
and in 1941 Roosevelt admitted his mistake and signed a bill 
that established the fourth Thursday of November as the national 
Thanksgiving holiday.  It has remained so ever since.

I failed to include you and the Italian Guy to our 
Thanksgiving.  Of course you are invited. :-)

Happy Thanksgiving.

John
E...

From: GermanNazi
To: AFGHAN PERSONS
Subject: ?
Date: Wed Nov 21 14:24:38 2001

Message:
who gives a fuck about Islam?  Nazi-ism will wipe out all other 
suck-ass religions.

Hail HITLER.

From: Justice USA
To: My Friends on here
Subject: Happy Thanksgiving to All
Date: Wed Nov 21 14:33:58 2001

Message:
Hope you are all going to have a good thanksgiving.  Personally, 
I would love to be serving bastard bin laden's head on a 
plate............

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Allatti2d
Subject: 'Walter'
Date: Wed Nov 21 13:22:40 2001

Message:
Hi Allatti, firstly yes, I also noticed the reverse spelling in 
one of 'Walters' most recent replies to you. When seeing the  
inconsistancy that I mentioned earlier, I speculated to myself 
when I first noticed it, that it might have occured from direct 
copying from English source material perhaps. Though the 
paragraph in question did sound like his own words....one could 
speculate endlessly. This person's identity has, I guess, become 
a secondary issue in comparison to his motivation and how badly 
that motivation manifested itself on this board.

Secondly, it is apparant that 'Walter' feels comfortable 
conversing with you and greatly values your acceptance. His post 
to you expressing his sentiments 'seemed' geniune and heartfelt 
yet sadly I personally hesitate to take those words at face 
value after all that has preceeded it. I've noticed, yet again, 
the use of material in my posts to attack other people. That of 
course in reference to my second to last posting. I didn't 
personaly feel you were striking a blow on my behalf, but 
obviously he did. He should know I'm quite capable of doing that 
myself should I so choose to.

Lastly, and most importantly, and this I, cannot stress enough 
Allatti, pass absolutely no judgement whatsoever on how you 
approach 'Walter'. He has 'issues', that's an understatement, 
and you may be interested and better placed to talk things out 
further with him, should you choose to. On the other hand he 
must accept many others have feelings ranging from deep mistrust 
to outright loathing towards him, and they may well continue to 
express those opinions in an open forum such as this.       

All the best.

U.K.Citizen    

From: U.K.Citizen
To: John
Subject: Thanksgiving
Date: Wed Nov 21 15:13:09 2001

Message:
John, thank you very much for that most infomative explanation 
of your country's upcoming national holiday. In a time where 
people again, especially in your country at this time, feel the 
need to pull together, it I'm sure takes on extra significance 
this year. We all have a lot to be thankful for. I can say to 
you now, without ignorance...

Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.

P.S. That jelly stuff..I'm not sure...if you'll allow me,...I'll 
bring some sage stuffing! 

From: Walter
To: All
Subject: Thanksgiving
Date: Wed Nov 21 15:36:09 2001

Message:
I wish you all a very happy Thanksgiving.Feel free to attack me 
all you want for this post,but I myself am calling a 
"cease-fire"until after the holiday.

                       Looking forward to battling you all 
again soon(LOL!),
                         Walter

From: Noah
To: John
Subject: I make a mean apple pie
Date: Wed Nov 21 15:36:05 2001

Message:
Hey there, can I come to the feast? I'll bring some pie. I like 
UK Citizen's idea for Sage stuffing... that is the only way to 
go! Seems like everyone is in good spirits. 

Allatti2d, It's good to see so many posts from you today. Are 
you a psychiatrist? you sound well studied, at least. Nice of 
you to give Walter some slack, I think he was putting out a 
cry for help. Anyhow, Its funny to find out people's ages, I 
wonder how old all the other posters are. I just turned 24 
this month. I didn't realize I'd be on the younger end of the 
spectrum. 

Ashraf, I am curious if Qat is a legal drug in Arabia? I had 
read something about it before and, since I don't live there 
and have very limited knowledge of your culture, wonder 
what its place in society is. I have always wanted to visit the 
middle east because it is such a mysterious place. It's too 
bad there's not more fresh water there. I think that might 
solve a lot of problems. 

Anyway, I hope that most of us this Thanksgiving will take 
some time, in addition to being thankful, to help someone 
else who has less than they do. Glory!

WHEEEEEEEEEEE!! workin up an appetite.

From: Noah
To: Walter
Subject: I understand now
Date: Wed Nov 21 16:16:03 2001

Message:
Ya know...as mad as I got before, I think you probably make 
for entertaining company. You certainly seem to laugh a lot, 
laughter is the best medicine, maybe that is why you had to 
laugh at the people dying. If you laugh at everything, I can 
understand that. Sometimes there is nothing to do but 
laugh. I still think its wrong to find that funny, but I also 
understand that you are a psycopath and that, in this twisted 
world, is alright. Thanks for the thanksgiving cease-fire. It 
would be a good time for everyone to reflect. I hope that our 
bombs don't hit any of the food trucks and that the Taliban 
will be completely crippled so they cannot stop us from 
helping the Afghan people this holiday season. I hope the 
drugstores stay open this weekend for you. Feel better!

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Noah
Subject: Getting hungry...
Date: Wed Nov 21 17:11:40 2001

Message:
Apple pie!..sounds good to me. What with Allatti2d and those 
cakes and beers...just a guess...but I think things could get a 
little hectic around John's house. I just hope he's got a 
marquee set up!

From: Radio Europe
To: the west wing
Subject: today
Date: Wed Nov 21 17:12:20 2001

Message:
Happy Thanksgiving to all of you...

Enjoy, and rember there's only about 60 square miles left to 
sweep out there....


From Europe, this was Radio Europe


From: Radio Europe
To: the east wing (a.k.a. Walter and Friends)
Date: Wed Nov 21 17:40:00 2001

Message:
Make sure not to choke on your late dinner...

From: Everyman
To: All
Subject: Dinner party
Date: Wed Nov 21 18:08:21 2001

Message:
I've got lots of cranberry (and yes, the jelly kind--very good 
with turkey).  Will also make the fruit salad (no, not the jello 
kind).  Happy Thanksgiving!

From: EagleEye
To: AssRashf
Subject: bin Lucifer's MTV
Date: Wed Nov 21 18:26:21 2001

Message:
Assrashf - how many times have you watched his video? Perhaps in 
all your genious ... it is you who has been outwitted by a Mad 
Man?

http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?
xml=/news/2001/11/16/wvid16.xml&sSheet=/news/2001/11/16/ixhome.ht
ml
--------------------------
Bin Laden's film crew must have studied Schindler's List, 
because a five-minute orgy of Israelis brutalising women and 
children is like a replay of scenes from the liquidation of the 
Warsaw ghetto. In Spielberg's film, the camera panned to the 
body of a little girl in red; in this, the climax is the murder 
of Mohammed al-Durra. As in Schindler's List, children and women 
sing slowly and movingly.

And this is the point at which I burst into tears. I hardly 
realise that I have been visually and aurally manipulated until 
I study the clip in detail. In slow motion, and in time to the 
music, Israeli soldiers beat two women with sticks, until one 
falls to ground. The soldiers carry off screaming men, as if 
they are so much rubbish. Then, they strike a little boy with 
such force that he crumples to the ground. These images, and 
similar ones, are repeated over and over, until the violence 
seems unending.

But, hang on aren't these the same three incidents, shot from 
different angles? Bin Laden has simply cut up full-length "news" 
sequences and scattered them about, fooling me with the frenzied 
graphics and sound effects.

Throughout, he is screaming tearfully over the music: "Your 
sister goes to bed honourable and wakes up violated, raped by 
the Jews." As we see images of beatings for the umpteenth time, 
all he can do is wail - a curiously effective cry of impotence 
and grief.

Then comes Mohammed al-Durra. Cue: machine-gun fire. Diagonal 
lines rend the screen to reveal a father's stricken 
face. "Mohammed," intones a deep, robotic voice, as the image of 
Mohammed al-Durra, mouth open in terror, flashes before us. Cut 
to Israelis bombarding a building, on to which Osama has 
superimposed the pitiful image of the boy huddling against his 
father - an image flashed a dozen times during the two-minute 
duration of this scene.

Pictures appear of Clinton, of the King of Jordan and of the 
Saudi king presenting Clinton with a medal, only to be 
obliterated by that of the Palestinian boy. Suddenly, Mohammed 
splits into four smaller images, then nine, which cover the 
screen to imply that this murder is universal. The images surge 
forward faster and faster while a voice chants: "Mohammed, 
Mohammed," and bin Laden raises his voice: "Do not count, 
Mohammed, on Arabs, for they are no different than your 
assassins, the Jews."

Cut to the boy's lifeless body, held by his wounded father. The 
camera goes wild, repeatedly zooming in and retreating, as the 
father cries: "I have failed you, Mohammed; I have tried to 
protect you in vain. Four shots hit my child, who fell dead." 
Every parent's worst nightmare.

I wish I had never watched this film. I wish it weren't so good. 
I have never before woken up terrified every hour of the night, 
or felt such moral nausea. I feel invaded by a crazed man's 
violence and rage.

Fawaz Gerges, the scholar who has spent weeks translating the 
film, tells me that he can no longer sleep.



From: theE.S.D.
To: WhomItMayConcern
Subject: Good-bye
Date: Wed Nov 21 18:16:41 2001

Message:
we would like to thank the people that run this board.it has
been interesting.we hoped that we would have put forth 
infomation [which was located from around the www.]
that would have helped reveal some mid-east problems.
some articles were other than,but more so than not.

in recent days though,we must apologize to those 
concerned.we got the message.

To All:Happy Holidays
Good-bye
theE.S.D.

     

From: Everyman
To: E.S.D.
Subject: ?Leaving?!
Date: Wed Nov 21 19:46:22 2001

Message:
Now wait a minute...I've always looked forward to those posts of 
yours...and from what I've seen, others, too.  What message are 
you talking about?

From: Everyman
To: All
Subject: You don't suppose...
Date: Wed Nov 21 20:04:37 2001

Message:
No...couldn't be...yet this thought crossed my mind after 
reading that last disconcerting post...E.S.D.=Walter?....

From: Radio Europe
To: the E.S.D.
Subject: you kidding?
Date: Wed Nov 21 19:48:05 2001

Message:
We are extremely sorry, dear E.S.D. to learn that you are 
leaving this board.

We think your posting are extremely interesting, though a tad 
more dry at times then let's say Eagles' and Justices' poetic 
dwellings, the Italian Guys' philosophic qualities of thought 
or the Weird World Of  Waldo. 

We therefore ask you to kindly reconsider your goodbye, 
because for us you are  of esteem indeed.

We of course realise, that our slightly sarcastic style may 
have at times had you think otherwise.

We are sorry for that, and still hope to see you back...

A warm Thanksgiving to you from all of us here at 

Radio Europe, from Europe...


From: USA
To: All You Bin Laden Lovers
Date: Wed Nov 21 20:12:43 2001

Message:
Bin Laden made a pact with his elite to kill him rather than 
take him alive.  Is he kidding?  He wants to be a martyr.  Who 
is going to be left of his "elite" to say it was them that got 
him?  We will kill them all.  In the end, NOBODY will know and I 
bet we get him before his "wussies" get 'em.  HAHAHAHAHAHA 
Martyr, indeed!!! 
He'll just be a dead piece of meat like the rest of them - 
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 
WE WILL PREVAIL -  Make No Mistake About IT!!!

From: EagleEye
To: theE.S.D.
Subject: your abrupt departure
Date: Wed Nov 21 20:22:11 2001

Message:
You will be missed ...... always found the material 
enlightening, and on target.  

I sincerely hope nothing I posted was mis interpreted to 
represent I was in favor of your departure - certainly not that 
you would leave because of something I directed [more likely you 
would have told me where to put it! :-) ]

Hope you will reconsider your position.

Thanks for the contributions and Happy Holiday Wishes.  All the 
best to you in your endeavors.

From: theE.S.D.
To: EagleEye , Radio Europe,Everyman
Subject: NothingNoOneOnTheBoardDid
Date: Wed Nov 21 20:57:01 2001

Message:
thanks to you all.if we see or feel change,we will follow 
likewise.otherwise...good-bye and God bless.

From: U.K.Citizen
To: theE.S.D.
Subject: What?!!!!
Date: Wed Nov 21 20:52:25 2001

Message:
I'm stunned. Please do reconsider, your posts were excellent.

I must repeat, please reconsider, and please leave another post 
(after all that has been expressed since your last post), to 
finally confirm your intentions!

From: U.K.Citizen
To: theE.S.D.
Subject: Guess I'm too late.....
Date: Wed Nov 21 21:20:40 2001

Message:

From: Kamil
To: Every DUmb american
Subject: truth
Date: Wed Nov 21 21:19:45 2001

Message:
'If the US attacks were an assault on "civilisation", why 
shouldn't Muslims regard the Afganistan attack as a war on 
Islam?'

"Air campaign"? "Coalition forces"? "War on terror"? How much 
longer must we go on enduring these lies? There is 
no "campaign"   merely an air bombardment of the poorest and 
most broken country in the world by the world's richest and most 
sophisticated nation. No MiGs have taken to the skies to do 
battle with the American B-52s or F-18s. The only ammunition 
soaring into the air over Kabul comes from Russian anti-aircraft 
guns manufactured around 1943.

Coalition? Hands up who's seen the Luftwaffe in the skies over 
Kandahar, or the Italian air force or the French air force over 
Herat. Or even the Pakistani air force. The Americans are 
bombing Afghanistan with a few British missiles thrown 
in. "Coalition" indeed.

Then there's the "war on terror". When are we moving on to bomb 
the Jaffna peninsula? Or Chechnya   which we have already left 
in Vladimir Putin's bloody hands? I even seem to recall a 
massive terrorist car bomb that exploded in Beirut in 1985   
targeting Sayed Hassan Nasrallah, the spiritual inspiration to 
the Hezbollah, who now appears to be back on Washington's hit 
list   and which missed Nasrallah but slaughtered 85 innocent 
Lebanese civilians. Years later, Carl Bernstein revealed in his 
book, Veil, that the CIA was behind the bomb after the Saudis 
agreed to fund the operation. So will the US President George 
Bush be hunting down the CIA murderers involved? The hell he 
will.

So why on earth are all my chums on CNN and Sky and the BBC 
rabbiting on about the "air campaign", "coalition forces" and 
the "war on terror"? Do they think their viewers believe this 
twaddle?

Certainly Muslims don't. In fact, you don't have to spend long 
in Pakistan to realise that the Pakistani press gives an 
infinitely more truthful and balanced account of the "war"   
publishing work by local intellectuals, historians and 
opposition writers along with Taliban comments and pro-
government statements as well as syndicated Western analyses   
than The New York Times; and all this, remember, in a military 
dictatorship.

You only have to spend a few weeks in the Middle East and the 
subcontinent to realise why Tony Blair's interviews on al-
Jazeera and Larry King Live don't amount to a hill of beans. The 
Beirut daily As-Safir ran a widely-praised editorial asking why 
an Arab who wanted to express the anger and humiliation of 
millions of other Arabs was forced to do so from a cave in a non-
Arab country. The implication, of course, was that this   rather 
than the crimes against humanity on 11 September   was the 
reason for America's determination to liquidate Osama bin Laden. 
Far more persuasive has been a series of articles in the 
Pakistani press on the outrageous treatment of Muslims arrested 
in the United States in the aftermath of the September 
atrocities.

One such article should suffice. Headlined "Hate crime victim's 
diary", in The News of Lahore, it outlined the suffering of 
Hasnain Javed, who was arrested in Alabama on 19 September with 
an expired visa. In prison in Mississippi, he was beaten up by a 
prisoner who also broke his tooth. Then, long after he had 
sounded the warden's alarm bell, more men beat him against a 
wall with the words: "Hey bin Laden, this is the first round. 
There are going to be 10 rounds like this." There are dozens of 
other such stories in the Pakistani press and most of them 
appear to be true.

Again, Muslims have been outraged by the hypocrisy of the West's 
supposed "respect" for Islam. We are not, so we have informed 
the world, going to suspend military operations in Afghanistan 
during the holy fasting month of Ramadan. After all, the 1980-88 
Iran-Iraq conflict continued during Ramadan. So have Arab-
Israeli conflicts. True enough. But why, then, did we make such 
a show of suspending bombing on the first Friday of the 
bombardment last month out of our "respect" for Islam? Because 
we were more respectful then than now? Or because   the Taliban 
remaining unbroken   we've decided to forget about all 
that "respect"?

"I can see why you want to separate bin Laden from our 
religion," a Peshawar journalist said to me a few days ago. "Of 
course you want to tell us that this isn't a religious war, but 
Mr Robert, please, please stop telling us how much you respect 
Islam."

There is another disturbing argument I hear in Pakistan. If, as 
Mr Bush claims, the attacks on New York and Washington were an 
assault on "civilisation", why shouldn't Muslims regard an 
attack on Afghanistan as a war on Islam?

The Pakistanis swiftly spotted the hypocrisy of the Australians. 
While itching to get into the fight against Mr bin Laden, the 
Australians have sent armed troops to force destitute Afghan 
refugees out of their territorial waters. The Aussies want to 
bomb Afghanistan   but they don't want to save the Afghans. 
Pakistan, it should be added, hosts 2.5 million Afghan refugees. 
Needless to say, this discrepancy doesn't get much of an airing 
on our satellite channels. Indeed, I have never heard so much 
fury directed at journalists as I have in Pakistan these past 
few weeks. Nor am I surprised.

What, after all, are we supposed to make of the so-
called "liberal" American television journalist Geraldo Rivera 
who is just moving to Fox TV, a Murdoch channel? "I'm feeling 
more patriotic than at any time in my life, itching for justice, 
or maybe just revenge," he announced this week. "And this 
catharsis I've gone through has caused me to reassess what I do 
for a living." This is truly chilling stuff. Here is an American 
journalist actually revealing that he's possibly "itching for 
revenge".

Infinitely more shameful   and unethical   were the disgraceful 
words of Walter Isaacson, the chairman of CNN, to his staff. 
Showing the misery of Afghanistan ran the risk of promoting 
enemy propaganda, he said. "It seems perverse to focus too much 
on the casualties or hardship in Afghanistan ... we must talk 
about how the Taliban are using civilian shields and how the 
Taliban have harboured the terrorists responsible for killing 
close up to 5,000 innocent people."

Mr Isaacson was an unimaginative boss of Time magazine but these 
latest words will do more to damage the supposed impartiality of 
CNN than anything on the air in recent years. Perverse? Why 
perverse? Why are Afghan casualties so far down Mr Isaacson's 
compassion? Or is Mr Isaacson just following the lead set down 
for him a few days earlier by the White House spokesman Ari 
Fleischer, who portentously announced to the Washington press 
corps that in times like these "people have to watch what they 
say and watch what they do".

Needless to say, CNN has caved in to the US government's demand 
not to broadcast Mr bin Laden's words in toto lest they 
contain "coded messages". But the coded messages go out on 
television every hour. They are "air campaign", "coalition 
forces" and "war on terror". 














































































From: theE.S.D.
To: U.K.Citizen
Subject: thank you very much Sir.
Date: Wed Nov 21 21:40:09 2001

Message:

From: U.K.Citizen
To: theE.S.D
Date: Wed Nov 21 21:55:22 2001

Message:
Great!, does that mean you'll reconsider?!!...Don't worry, you 
don't have to answer that...I'll keep watching though...Take 
Care.

From: Noah
To: EagleEye
Subject: where's the video?
Date: Wed Nov 21 21:26:10 2001

Message:
Hi Eagle, I am wondering where you found that video you 
described. It sounds pretty disturbing. Was it some sort of 
propaganda video just recently shown on the news or 
something? Anyhow, it sounds terrible. When these terrorist 
groups are backed into a corner they not only increase their 
hate against the usual scapegoats, but decide to hate their 
own roots too. They're outcasts - anti-social thugs with 
delusions of grandeur. Anyhow it sounds bad whatever it 
was. I'm just curious. take care.

From: EagleEye
To: NOAH
Subject: bin Lucifer - the video on sale now
Date: Wed Nov 21 22:40:46 2001

Message:
Noah.....

In the original post I made there was a link to the article in 
its entirety - at the bottom of that article on the british site 
is a related story link to where it could be bought.

Id rather my $$$ go to BLU-82's but hey - its a free country :-)

From: Noah
To: Khalil
Subject: Impartiality impossible
Date: Wed Nov 21 22:20:34 2001

Message:
Hi. That was a well thought out message, but I think you as 
well as I realize how impartial your feelings are. They are as 
impartial as the US sentiment towards the need for this war. 
Have you ever heard of the Mafia? These are criminals in 
this country who hide in public, just as other terrorists do. 
This is not only a war agains terrorism, but a war against 
criminals. Everybody in the United States wants to feel 
secure and have the freedom to live as they want to. We 
were quite content to leave the middle east alone, when the 
damnable event happened. Look back to Bush's stand on 
foreign policy for staying out of other people's business. 
Unfortunately, these people had to provoke the United 
States, stupid enough to think we would fold and listen to 
every word they had to say. So things changed - we became 
resolute and decided to confront this premeditated 
manslaughter. I am sorry for all of the innocent people killed 
in that part of the world. You have the negligence of the 
Taliban and the blatant cowardice of Al Qaeda to blame. 
There was a whole month when action could have been 
taken to dismantle the roots of terroism by your own 
government, time when anyone else could have spoken up 
and unveiled the malicious monsters. Why are so many 
Muslims from your part of the world so intent on alienating 
yourselves from the rest of the world?? It just doesn't have to 
be that way! The people of America are very caring, in 
general, but we demand justice and we demand security. 
This is a big cultural gap between you and us. The 
indignance of your people at others for not being able to 
take care of yourselves completely baffles me. I don't know 
why there is this sentiment or why so many of you justify 
murder, but I understand that I am an outsider and it will 
take a lot for me to understand. I think my personal values 
will make it hard for me to understand, but I will try.

This war was not started by the United States. We are 
responding not just to the killing of the thousands in New 
York and Washington, but to the other hundreds of 
unsuspecting innocent people killed by violent, 
pre-meditated attacks, which were directly aimed at the 
death of any and all Americans. If you don't like us saying it 
is a war against terrorism, consider it a war against 
murderers and would be murderers...a war against a 
definite enemy and not just an "ism". Well, America has 
screwed up in the past, but we have never, ever targeted 
innocent civilians in any of our actions.

Maybe we were naive in thinking that Saddam Hussein 
would actually take care of his own people if we cut him off 
from our aid. Maybe we were naive in helping Afghanistan 
defeat the Soviet Union. Maybe we were naive in thinking 
that we could make any positive impact on a people who 
wanted to wallow in their own self-pity. However, we never 
did anything to deserve the slaughter of our citizens by your 
citizens. WHAT ON EARTH?? Why does it have to be this 
way? We are pushed and pushed to intervene and then we 
get pissed on. Well, again, maybe we are naive in thinking 
that there might be some people in Afghanistan who want to 
be spared a life of indignity and ignorance. I have no doubt 
we will try with as much of our resources as we can 
possibly spare to rebuild your Neighboring country. I just 
hope you will not get mad at us for trying to help.
(Yeah, I know, we're bombing the country and you don't 
understand how it can possibly help. Think forward - think of 
possibilities - think of peace)

thank you for communicating

From: Noah
To: EagleEye
Subject: thanks
Date: Wed Nov 21 22:59:31 2001

Message:
Thanks, yeah, there's no way I'd want to spend any money 
on that garbage. I'll spend a buck on a BLU82 and a dollar 
on a bag of wheat. I think we're done with the need for big 
stuff in Afghanistan though. It looks as though, from 
sentiments implied, that Afghanistan will not be the last to 
see one of those. God help save Muslims from their 
brothers. I do have to admit I like fire and explosions, but I 
don't like for people to die. I wish we could have a big 
celebration of peace, where we could watch from several 
miles away and have all sorts of giganic bombs instead of 
fireworks. 

Well, have a good night. I might be back soon.

From: EagleEye
To: Kamil Jockey
Subject: Arabic situational truths
Date: Wed Nov 21 23:01:51 2001

Message:
Since the description of your post was "truth", let us carefully 
examine it.  Sure you dont want a recall and rename it Muslim / 
Arab rhetoric?

You penned in similar diatribe as ASSRashf ......

['If the US attacks were an assault on "civilisation", why 
shouldn't Muslims regard the Afganistan attack as a war on 
Islam?']

Frankly - the world is really tiring of caring about 
whether "Muslims are getting offended", or if it is a war on 
Islam.  Muslims seem not to care if they declare a Jihad against 
the West, hell ... the world really.  If Muslims care to rename 
it to what ever suits their fancy today then fine - go ahead  - 
declare Jihad on the Globe  who cares what you call it - the 
result will be the same. Who cares if it is a war on Islam?  
What does that mean really?  From what the world has seen of 
ISLAM lately, why should Islam be allowed to exist?  We're all 
sincerely hoping that what we're seeing of ISLAM is not really 
ISLAM but some radical out of control faction, but the more we 
see, the more overwhelming evidence surmounts that Muslims and 
ISLAM are walking lock step like the Goose Stepping Nazi's. 
Now ..... if the US truly had declared a war on ISLAM - why the 
hell are there so many Muslims freely praying in US mosque's 
this very day? Why havent we blown up that bastion of religious 
decadence .. Mecca - push of a button and it would be rubble - 
who's stopping us?

["Air campaign"? "Coalition forces"? "War on terror"? How much 
longer must we go on enduring these lies?]

A direct answer ... until you can do something about it Id say.  
As far as it being lies, consider the following definition of 
coalition:

co a li tion (k-lshn)
n. 
An alliance, especially a temporary one, of people, factions, 
parties, or nations. 
A combination into one body; a union. 

I see nothing contradictory to the term coalition.  USA has the 
will and the resources at this point in the effort to handle the 
Air attacks - so all other parties let us waste our PLENTIFUL 
[thank you very much] resources to do the job.  And why not ... 
Germany hasnt been bombed like USA, Italy neither, Japan 
nope .... So what if its USA air force only.  Ever heard of 
Diego Garcia?

Ok ... so how does the holey Korn_hole_o'_ran define "air 
campaign"?  I guess its only a campaign on the "Arab Street" if 
those opposing the US get their planes in the air and are in 
dogfights?  Sure you kamel herders want that?  Saddam wasnt too 
thrilled with the results last time.  Though I think our Fly 
boys would love to have a little live target practice.


["There is no "campaign"]

Probably your weakest and most non sensicle point of the whole 
rotten lot ... but for your edification - in America we speak 
ENGLISH - not Pashtu or Farse or other Arabic dialect - so when 
we use the term campaign - here's what we mean:

cam paign (km-pn)
n. 
A series of military operations undertaken to achieve a large-
scale objective during a war: Grant's Vicksburg campaign secured 
the entire Mississippi for the Union. 
An operation or series of operations energetically pursued to 
accomplish a purpose: an advertising campaign for a new product; 
a candidate's political campaign. 

[merely an air bombardment of the poorest and 
most broken country in the world by the world's richest and most 
sophisticated nation."] 

Factual ... for sure - but irrelivent (hmmm theres a theme 
developing here) If they were the 14th richest or the 10th or 
the 2nd - the result and resolve would have been the same .... 
So?  What does this add to your position other than its a nifty 
factoid?

["No MiGs have taken to the skies to do 
battle with the American B-52s or F-18s. The only ammunition 
soaring into the air over Kabul comes from Russian anti-aircraft 
guns manufactured around 1943."]

Uhhhh, help us all out here .... relevance factor??? ZERO! The 
Taliban had ample opportunity to turn over bin Lucifer - as I 
stated earlier - if Taliban had THE most powerful airforce on 
the planet USA would do it all over again, and in the end ... 
achived the same result.  I am also certain you would see in 
that scenerio - British jets, Canadian and several others too.  
Taliban chose to harbour a terrorist - the worst one to date.  
They chose their fate, our military plans will not be altered by 
Taliban stupidty.


[Coalition? Hands up who's seen the Luftwaffe in the skies over 
Kandahar, or the Italian air force or the French air force over 
Herat. Or even the Pakistani air force. The Americans are 
bombing Afghanistan with a few British missiles thrown 
in. "Coalition" indeed.]

Ahhh pure genious ..... the only way to respond to this jewel of 
Arabic wisdom is in kind.  As I hear it, the Germans, British 
and Italians were all itchen to let loose with a few, but Franks 
hogged all the FUN. Why the hell do we want Pakistani planes 
flying around in our way?  Hell half middle eastern military, 
barring Isreal, cant even change a freakin tire - let alone 
accruately drop bombs.  Liability to precious American lives.

In conclusion to this chapter of your nonsense - for the first 
time in its history UN invoked a certain Article ... unanimously.

INDEED a COALITION.


[Then there's the "war on terror". When are we moving on to bomb 
the Jaffna peninsula? Or Chechnya   which we have already left 
in Vladimir Putin's bloody hands?] 

Jaffna .. my prediction - right after Saddam. Isnt some female 
president in that region begging for assistance from USA due to 
your bretheren ... the Muslim warlord who wont win 
the "election" so he's resorted to terrorising?

[I even seem to recall a 
massive terrorist car bomb that exploded in Beirut in 1985   
targeting Sayed Hassan Nasrallah,]

Well, Arabs and Muslims - especially Palastinians are known for 
their mis-handling of explosives.  I seem to recall LOTS of car 
bombs in that part of the world.


[the spiritual inspiration to 
the Hezbollah, who now appears to be back on Washington's hit 
list]

 .... yes they are and rightfully so.

[and which missed Nasrallah but slaughtered 85 innocent 
Lebanese civilians. Years later, Carl Bernstein revealed in his 
book, Veil, that the CIA was behind the bomb after the Saudis 
agreed to fund the operation.]

Quite an interesting twist of hypocritical dung eh?  So this 
does beg the question ..... """IIIIF""" the Saudi's 
[Arabs]....funded this bombing by CIA - isnt that real similar 
to the alleged USA/Isreali relationship that Middle East 
incessantly cites as the reason USA is hated and deserved all 
this terror?  So therefore shouldnt you and your bretheren be 
blowing shit up all over Saudi Arabia.  Evidently Arab honor can 
always be BOUGHT by Royal Family extortion money. Priceless.

[So will the US President George 
Bush be hunting down the CIA murderers involved? The hell he 
will.]

No ... he's pretty busy with a few others right now. What do you 
know ... theyre your neighbors!? So will all the Mullahs that 
are legit hunt down all the bullshit Taliban who are hijacking 
and murdering in ALLAHs good name all over Afghanistan?  Hell 
NO.  Will good and righteous Muslims step forward and damn bin 
Lucifer and dis-own him and what he alledges is ISLAM?  not no 
but HELL NO.  Mullah Omar ... INDEED!

More to follow .....

From: Ashraf
To: allatti2d, John & UK Citizen..
Subject: ...
Date: Wed Nov 21 23:27:30 2001

Message:
Thanx for your posts..

Allatti2d:
I repeat, my hate is not directed at Jews who mind their own 
business or practise their own faiths, but is instead directed 
at ALL those Jews who kill and rape Palestinians.. 
About your question earlier. The answer is no. The Quran was set 
out to be appropriate for alll times, old and new, and such is 
not influenced by OBL's violations of the rules contained 
therein, nor the omissions committed on his part he opts to 
overlook versus such as:
"Allah does not like those who start offenses"
One man's misinterpretation of the Quran doesnt deem it to be a 
violent book. I can use a gun to shoot OBL, or to shoot an 
innocent civilian. Does that make the gun an evil tool.. I dont 
think so..

John:
I do realise that the Jews will forever remain a part of the 
Western world, but that doesnt mean that whatever action taken 
up by the Jews should be supported by its Western masters..

Neither one of you is a Jew, but my answer wouldnt have been any 
different had you been so.. I dont hate all Jews.. just the 
murderers, killers and rapists, which shouldnt deem me to be an 
unbalanced nor a hateful person.. Think of the Crimes committed 
by the Israeli soldiers.. that of Mohammed Al-Durra's shooting.. 
I hope that tells you something..
I'd just bought a mobile phone last night, as a gift. The 
Palestinian sales person who had sold me the phone told me about 
the story of his brother who was just killed in August, on the 
hands of the Jews.. 
Had you known half the facts we know of, about this one-sided 
war, due to our geographical location and contineous follow-up 
on this war, it would have made your heart bleed.. You dont see 
what we see.. It is frustratingly heart-burning to see video 
clips of fully armed Israeli soldiers, all 5 of them, pinning 2 
Palestinian teenagers hands to a rock, then smashing the living 
daylight out of their hands with a 20kg rock.. Slam Slam Slam.. 
You deserve it you Damn Palestinian Terrorists?? Isnt that 
right..?? If you believe so, then sorry, but I dis..

The whole Palestinian-Israeli issue will be judged by you or me 
against who we believe threw the first stone/shot the first 
bullet, because the other parties reaction would be considered 
to have been made in self-defense..
  
UK Citizen:
Your apology has been accepted. ;)


I wanna ask you something though.. How come if Islam is attacked 
and abused in the ugliest and most ignorant methods, like that 
of Evil-Eye, none of you utter a word in response, almost like 
that insult is my responsibility alone to face.. Whereas you say 
that you respect all religions equally.. Is it that because it 
has been criticised by someone you favour, like what the US does 
with Israel, or is it that you agree to what is being said, but 
refuse to say it yourself..? John, Allatti2d please..

Peace...

From: Ashraf
To: Allatti2d, John, Spy & Justice USA, Eagle-Eye, Walter & Exhausted, UK Citizen, Sammas mamma, UK Voices, Closed Fist/Open Mind, Everyman, Noah, Radio EuropeAll the Rest...
Subject: ...
Date: Thu Nov 22 00:55:21 2001

Message:
Seasons greetings.. Hoping that next year will be more peaceful 
than this one..

Happy Thanks giving..

Peace..

From: EagleEye
To: Kamil Jocki
Subject: ....continued
Date: Thu Nov 22 00:25:07 2001

Message:
[So why on earth are all my chums on CNN and Sky and the BBC 
rabbiting on about the "air campaign", "coalition forces" and 
the "war on terror"? Do they think their viewers believe this 
twaddle?]

Maybe your beleif would be improved if you could get over the 
evident ENGLISH language barrier - you seem challenged with 
western terminology.  Really now - whats this got to do with 
innocent afghani kids that got blown up?  TWADDLE ... thats 
exactly what you've retorted above. Why? What the hell does it 
really matter if it isnt a Campaign?  If it isnt a coalition or 
a war on terror.  BFD .... It IS all those things, a coalition, 
air campaign and a war on terror - and all the FACTS/Truths are 
there to support this - being blind and full of shit doesnt 
change facts Kamil. 

[Certainly Muslims don't.] 

Yeah, but they also BELEIVE in Muhhamods Holy Flight to the 
third Mosque too.  The vast majority cant even read or 
comprehend CNN....  too busy studying Kalishnakov manuals or 
tinkering with explosives to read a literary work.  They also 
beleive bin Lucifer is a courageous hero, who care about them, 
and MULLAH Omar is a jihahahhahhahha WARRIOR - hahahahahhahhaha!

[In fact, you don't have to spend long 
in Pakistan to realise that the Pakistani press gives an 
infinitely more truthful and balanced account of the "war"   
publishing work by local intellectuals, historians and 
opposition writers along with Taliban comments and pro-
government statements as well as syndicated Western analyses   
than The New York Times; and all this, remember, in a military 
dictatorship.]

Balance and truthful .....?  WTF Kamil?  This isnt nuclear 
fission.  Here it is ... real simply.  The USA is bombing the 
living hell out of Taliban because they harbor'd bin Lucifer. 
Now evidence is being revealed that they were in bed together 
even more so than opriginally expected.  Ya know - I havent 
heard too much reporting from anywhere that Mullah Omar is 
married to bin Lucifers daughter!!!! additionally, we are after 
bin Lucifer, and when we catch him - we will either kill him or 
try him in a military tribunal and likely execute him in a way 
in which he wont be able to claim martyr status. Its really 
straightforward. Taliban comments? Whats the point of that?  
They havent produced one factual statement during this whole 
thing - talk about LIES.  Tell me you arent that ignorant.


[You only have to spend a few weeks in the Middle East and the 
subcontinent]

No freakin thank you.

[ to realise why Tony Blair's interviews on al-
Jazeera and Larry King Live don't amount to a hill of beans.]

Are muslims expecting to hear the solutions to world peace, 
energy, pollution and economic discord?  Gimme a break, Larry 
King?  Its called entertainment.  Al Jazeera - no comment.


[The 
Beirut daily As-Safir ran a widely-praised editorial asking why 
an Arab who wanted to express the anger and humiliation of 
millions of other Arabs was forced to do so from a cave in a non-
Arab country.]

Highly praised article eh..?  Where Kunduz? Here's an 
explanation for all the intellectuals and historians like you in 
Pakistan.  Bin Lucifer must express his rage and anger from a 
fucking cave becuase he earlier expressed it in the form of a 
truck bomb in Saudi Arabia, another set of Car Bombs in Kenya 
and Tanzania, and a Boat bomb in Yemen, and then yet again 
expressed his hatred, rage and anger in the form of 4 US 
Airplane bombs - thats why the asshole is in a fucking cave.  Do 
you too need us to draw you a schematic on this?  How assinine a 
question.  Oh those pesky little facts ... continually getting 
in the way of Arabic TRUTH. 

[The implication, of course, was that this   rather 
than the crimes against humanity on 11 September   was the 
reason for America's determination to liquidate Osama bin Laden.]

I see how much time in the west idiots like you and the learned 
journalist who penned that piece you describe spent there.  How 
far of a reach one must go to to think that USa would go to all 
this effort just to stifle a worthless prick like bin Lucifer 
from making his VIDEOS.  Ever watch MTV?  If we were that edgy 
about video and anti-govt rhetoric, rather than actual 
atrocities - half the hip hop rappers in USA would be swiss 
cheese.  Please ..... take a breath, your brain needs oxygen.
 
[Far more persuasive has been a series of articles in the 
Pakistani press on the outrageous treatment of Muslims arrested 
in the United States in the aftermath of the September 
atrocities.One such article should suffice. Headlined "Hate 
crime victim's diary", in The News of Lahore, it outlined the 
suffering of Hasnain Javed, who was arrested in Alabama on 19 
September with 
an expired visa. In prison in Mississippi, he was beaten up by a 
prisoner who also broke his tooth. Then, long after he had 
sounded the warden's alarm bell, more men beat him against a 
wall with the words: "Hey bin Laden, this is the first round. 
There are going to be 10 rounds like this." ]

Now this takes the freakin cake Kamil. Some of your Muslim 
friends raid a resort hotel in the Phillipines, take hostages, 
and how many innocent civis has Ayuud beheaded out of the 40 to 
date? 10+ ?  Shall we mention the jailing of aid workers in 
Afghanistan by Taliban - their crime - alledgedly preaching an 
non-muslim religion.  Oh and shall we discuss the 4 defenseless 
foreign journalists slaughtered by Taliban? Ohhh yes, then 
there's the Mogadishu incident where Muslim Somali warlords were 
soooostrictly following the Geneva conventions.  You are a 
pathetic sack of shit Kamil for even bringing this up.

Oh wait ... wonder what would have happened and how many 
Pakistani police would have come to the rescue of an expatriated 
American in Karachi 45 days ago?  Oh the wo IL co employees that 
were ummmm not beaten , just murdered - their crime - being an 
American at the wrong place and time.  So your friend that got 
his scrawny arab ass kicked in the joint - got off light and 
should get down on his knees and pray to ALLAH he didnt get what 
he likely deserved or that USA citizens didnt exact the kind of 
justice an american would get in the middle east. Un freakin 
beleivable - Arab pathetic whiners.


[There are dozens of 
other such stories in the Pakistani press and most of them 
appear to be true.]

There are 1000's more stories in the WORLD press and ALL of them 
ARE TRUE.

[Again, Muslims have been outraged by the hypocrisy of the 
West's ]  

You dare discuss hypocrisy?  Ballsy ... stupid, but ballsy.

[supposed "respect" for Islam. We are not, so we have informed 
the world, going to suspend military operations in Afghanistan 
during the holy fasting month of Ramadan.]

Would AlQuda not blow the hell out of us on Christmas or New 
Years 2001 or Easter or any other day of the year for that 
matter? Uhhhmmm .... so I see how the real hard core Muslims 
observe RAMABOMB.... by slaughtering those Taliban trying to 
escape/surrender.  I wasnt aware Muslims had a fatwa on un-armed 
Reuters journalists - bet that was one celebration eh?  Think 
they slit their throats before after or between prayers?  Save 
the drama for your momma OSama.


[Because 
we were more respectful then than now? Or because   the Taliban 
remaining unbroken   we've decided to forget about all 
that "respect"?]

Taliban remaining unbroken?  You attempt at comedy is a failure -
 stick to eyebrow waxing.  But seriously - respect for the 
Taliban - not hardly.  More of a day or two reprieve for more 
intelligence and targets to surface - all the good shit had been 
destroyed already.  So we took an opp to show some respect, we 
were bored - so what.

["Of 
course you want to tell us that this isn't a religious war, but 
Mr Robert, please, please stop telling us how much you respect 
Islam."]

Glad to see you've learned to cut and paste.  Ok Ill stop 
telling you I respect ISLAM.  What to respect?  The fact that 
you can erect a Mosque?  You are great at fund raising for 
terrorist groups covertly?  Ya know ... when non-muslim 
countries around the world are in need of help - we all see the 
news reels of countries, aid agencies and the like .... reaching 
out to lend a hand - to send people to help.  How is it that we 
never see Muslim groups / leaders helping others [non-muslims]?

 

From: U.K.Citzen
To: Kamil
Subject: The truth?
Date: Thu Nov 22 00:07:42 2001

Message:
As your post is directed to American citizens, I, as a "dumb 
Brit" shall reply anyway. I refer at this stage only to the 
first paragraph.  

Para1: Civilisation is defined as being an advanced stage in 
social development, and within which that society allows, 
amongst other things, the freedom to practise whatever religion 
one chooses so long as it does not harm others. Islam is clearly 
not a civilisation by definition, it is a religious doctrine. 
What is practised in Afghanistan is without doubt the harshest 
interpretation of said religion anywhere on Planet Earth. Truer 
more enlightened practising of Islam in this country had alomst 
been crushed out of existance. Eight westerners soon found out 
how 'civilised' Afghanistan was when they tried to preach 'in 
their utter naivity' in my opinion, Christianity in a country 
such as this, by almost paying for it with their lives. The two 
terms bear no comparison whatsoever. The unelected rulers of 
that country through their interpretation did nothing but hurt 
and subjugate its population. Do you not agree? Do do you 
perhaps agree that this interpretation of Islam is indeed a 
valid one? 

The 'truth' it seems is a matter of interpretation. Should you 
wish to reply I shall be happy to go through each and every 
paragraph in simalar detail.  

From: EagleEye
To: Kamil
Subject: finale'
Date: Thu Nov 22 01:23:02 2001

Message:
Looks like ASSRashf ruined my color play [red white and blue]

Oh well .........

[There is another disturbing argument I hear in Pakistan. If, as 
Mr Bush claims, the attacks on New York and Washington were an 
assault on "civilisation", why shouldn't Muslims regard an 
attack on Afghanistan as a war on Islam?]

De ja cut and paste vu?  This has been addressed.

[While itching to get into the fight against Mr bin Laden, the 
Australians have sent armed troops to force destitute Afghan 
refugees out of their territorial waters. The Aussies want to 
bomb Afghanistan]

Do you have a shred of factual data to back this up?  Nobody 
WANTS to bomb anybody idiot. If you can back this up - that they 
WANT to bomb Afghanistan - then post the facts not here say 
rhetoric and Arabica opinion.

[ but they don't want to save the Afghans.]

They are aquatting on their territorial LAND - islands, and 
causing a tremendous refugee problem.  Now isnt that what you 
people are so irrate at the Jews about - taking over land that 
doesnt belong to them?  Hypocrisy .... indeed.

[What, after all, are we supposed to make of the so-
called "liberal" American television journalist Geraldo Rivera 
who is just moving to Fox TV, a Murdoch channel? "I'm feeling 
more patriotic than at any time in my life, itching for justice, 
or maybe just revenge," he announced this week. "And this 
catharsis I've gone through has caused me to reassess what I do 
for a living." This is truly chilling stuff. Here is an American 
journalist actually revealing that he's possibly "itching for 
revenge".]

Well .... there's a lot of Americans myself included that hope 
Geraldo's beloved face time orgy in your part of the world 
results in his trip back in a wood box, or better yet he stays 
over there forever.  But there are a far greater number of 
people on the "American Street" who want revenge - in a big way, 
and we are more than itching.


Infinitely more shameful   and unethical   were the disgraceful 
words of Walter Isaacson, ......

apparently you didnt pen the reamining drivel - it was cut and 
paste from somewhere, but it is really irrelevant.  Have you 
really nothing bettter to discuss than the news services style 
of coverage?  You really care to compare propaganda techniques 
between ME and West?

Yawwwwwwn.

From: Ashraf
To: All
Subject: ..
Date: Thu Nov 22 01:32:33 2001

Message:
1. What happened to the video tape of Osama's confession, that 
was supposed to have been aired last Wednesday.. 8 days ago..?

2. Did you hear this.. It was in our papers today.. This is a 
good one:

TALIBAN OFFER US$50,000,000 TO GET BUSH.. ALIVE!! BUT OBL IS NOT 
FOR SALE...lol..!!! Nut cases..

Peace..

From: EagleEye
To: Kamil Jockey
Subject: finale' - correction .....
Date: Thu Nov 22 01:40:39 2001

Message:

From: an Italian guy
To: walter
Subject: my address
Date: Thu Nov 22 01:25:47 2001

Message:
"post YOURS then"
I've got nothing to hide.

FURIO CARMIGNANI
Via G.Leopardi 192/4
80125   NAPLES  ITALY

Now I want to see if some "islamic cell" of Naples
- it's known there is something here - will look for me.

I want to see.

From: EagleEye
To: Kamil
Subject: correction ......
Date: Thu Nov 22 01:42:50 2001

Message:
I said "nobody" WANTS to bomb anybody idiot.  I was mistaken, 
though I dont consider bin Lucifer as a human or 'ANYBODY" 
nonetheless I am mistaken.  bin Lucifer and his followers DID in 
fact WANT to bomb MANY.

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Ashraf
Subject: Me?..Double standards?
Date: Thu Nov 22 01:52:18 2001

Message:
I am overwhelmed with the graciousness with which you accepted 
my apology, and can only conclude that the meaning of my post 
went...whooooosh!.....Strrraight past you!

Ashraf, I am not religious in any way, shape or form. Islam 
being the religion you practise and I assume hold dear, is 
something therefore that you feel obliged to defend. If you, or 
anybody else critisised Judeism, Buddism, Christianity or any of 
the others I wouldn't stick up for those who practised those 
religions either. It's just not my fight. However if someone 
said that God, Allah...whatever doesn't exist then I might have 
something to say. Personally, through logical thinking, not 
simply 'belief' I acknowledge the existance of a 'creator' that 
is beyond mere human comprehension. Do I pray to that creator, 
no. Each to his/her own, if praying makes one feel better, 
that's great...just isn't for me that's all. 

To cite your example, I do not have any firm opinion about 
America's involvement with Isreal. I'm not religious..it doesn't 
concern me. In terms of religion, I have no vested interest.

You see Ashraf, as far as I percieve it believing in the one 
God, but not in a belief system ie: a religion, avoids a lot of 
unessasary squabbling as to who's belief system is better. 
Squabbling that is dangerously manifesting itself between 
different communities within nations and between theocraticaly 
different nations. I'm not against religion, but then again I'm 
not in favour of it either. Does that answer your question?


   

From: From: Reality
To: all
Subject: Subject: Getting along.
Date: Thu Nov 22 03:22:12 2001

Message:
Date: Thu Nov 22 02:58:45 2001 
Message:
I am an American. I hate osamabin dumb-ass. I am happy that all 
his buddies are getting what the deserve. 

All you Nazis (sp?) should get the same thing. 

If you do not agree go live in a cave with him.

The Muslim people are not the problem.

osamabin-dumbass does not represent the Muslim religion.

his dumbass does not represent anyone except a few idiots who 
want evolution to work in reverse.

Wake up or find a cave and wait for evolution(your destruction) 
to find you!!!


From: Everyman
To: Ashraf
Subject: Thanks
Date: Thu Nov 22 02:50:32 2001

Message:
For your olive branch & good wishes.

You are right with the comment of getting down to who tossed the 
first stone; we probably have to go back to the beginning of 
mankind for that; more than once I've thought how like 
the 'Hatfield's and McCoy's' all of the fighting between people 
is.  What is it all REALLY about, anyway?  We are carrying on 
some conflict that began before our great,great (etc.)
grandparents were even born.  Isn't it time to quit fighting?  
Isn't it time to put aside semantic and theological 
differences?  Many Native Americans believe in the 'Great 
Spirit' (as U.K. put it, the Creator) Is your 'God' more 
benevolent than theirs?  Or is God, Allah, the Great Spirit, 
etc. one in the same?  (I tend to believe the latter).  When I 
lived in Canada, I had some Mormons that were visiting me for 
awhile.  I wanted to learn more about what their religion was so 
I could understand where they were coming from.  What I learned 
from them and could NOT accept, was that they believe there are 
several levels of 'Heaven', and that ONLY those who believed as 
they did would get there; women, of course, would not attain 
as 'high' a level as a man, and anyone who did not believe in 
their faith was doomed to 'Hell'.  (gee, does it sound 
familiar?) So, even though a man lived a good life, gave to the 
poor, was considerate, kind and thoughtful, harming no one, he 
would be cast down into 'Hell' because he did not share that 
particular faith...I CANNOT adhere to such a belief system.  

God is God.  No matter what name given.  We are on this planet, 
family of man, to learn, live, love...One of these days, maybe 
we can rise above petty differences and realize that destruction 
breeds destruction.  One of these days, perhaps we will realize 
that in the end we are not really so different; we all have the 
same needs--food, shelter, warmth, family, friends--
CONSIDERATION.  (Oh, how nice it would be for that day to 
arrive!)
Yet, that day is not here.  We have so many who decide that they 
are 'right' and choose to impose that upon others.  In every 
culture, in every race, in every country.  Ashraf, you need to 
look at 'the big picture'.  You cannot say 'only the Jews are at 
fault' any more than I can say the situation we face in the 
world today is because of all of Islam.  

There are good people in EVERY religion, race, country.  Most of 
us just want to live our lives, have a little happiness, share 
quiet moments with our families and friends.  

I have been to the 'other side' and back (a serious car 
accident).  Believe me, it was wonderful, peaceful, accepting; 
there was a moment of 'UNDERSTANDING' what life is about. There 
were two 'angelic beings' with me, reassuring, calm; (not 
checking to see what race or religion I was) and then a voice 
told me 'You have to go back; it's not your time, yet.'  I 
didn't WANT to, but next thing I knew, I was reading the 
graffiti on the wall of the bridge we had just flown off.

It isn't HATE, Ashraf.  Life isn't about hate.  That's not what 
we're here for.

From: Everyman
To: All
Subject: Salute
Date: Thu Nov 22 03:37:54 2001

Message:
One nation, under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for 
ALL...

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Everyman
Subject: Back from the netherworld...
Date: Thu Nov 22 03:33:00 2001

Message:
....and this month's best detective award.....still goes to....

************************
*                      *
*      EVERYMAN!       *
*                      *
************************

Happy Thankgiving!

From: Everyman
To: All
Subject: Thanksgiving
Date: Thu Nov 22 03:42:17 2001

Message:
Well, it's officially Thanksgiving now, here on the West Coast, 
so a 'Happy Thanksgiving' to all. 

I am thankful for my family & friends, a roof over my head, food 
on the table. (well, not right now, but there will be.)

I am thankful for people who communicate in a positive way, in 
an effort to understand one another; and who can agree to 
disagree without the use of violence.

I am thankful for beautiful sunsets, windy days, walks on the 
beach, the ring around the moon...

Life can be so beautiful.  I am thankful for those moments.

From: Everyman
To: U.K Citizen
Subject: Thanks again!
Date: Thu Nov 22 03:50:56 2001

Message:
LOL!  
Why, thank you, U.K., that was nice of you!  I feel like I 
should take a bow, now or something...I couldn't have done it 
without my favorite search engine, 'Google'.  


From: U.K.Citizen
To: Everyman
Subject: You're welcome...
Date: Thu Nov 22 03:57:48 2001

Message:
Great posts by the way. You know, one day I'll write a post with 
no typing errors.

All the best.

U.K. Citizen.

From: Everyman
To: All
Subject: Mohammed Zahir Shah
Date: Thu Nov 22 04:08:56 2001

Message:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/html/news/top_direct_london.html

Long live the King!

From: John
To: Ashraf
Date: Thu Nov 22 08:59:42 2001

Message:
Ashraf, You said --> "John: I do realise that the Jews will 
forever remain a part of the Western world, but that doesnt mean 
that whatever action taken up by the Jews should be supported by 
its Western masters.."

Like I said, think and believe what you like.  The US is neither 
Israel's master nor follower.  Israel is an independent 
soveriegn nation conducting a campaign to protect its citizenry 
utlizing insurmountable force.  The world learned a great lesson 
in the early 70's after the Palestinian terrorist's massacre of 
Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympics.  The Massad hunted down 
and executed the terrorists, just as it continues today (hunting 
down and executing terrorist's).  Israel has and will respond in 
similiar yet more advanced mode in present and future.  This is 
very simple:  Murder one they kill ten.  Murder none, they kill 
none.  The key word here is retaliation.

Stop attacking.  Palestinians cannot win against the 
overwhelming Israeli forces.  Stop attacking, accept the 
Palestinian weighted compromise.  Palestinians got everything 
they wanted in the last agreement, yet Arafat walked away.  
WHY???   He walked away because the one thing he wanted wasn't 
within the text of the agreement.  The missing single line of 
text was:  The total elimination/extinction of the Jews.  Other 
than this minor item, Arafat got everything he wanted.

Imagine, had Arafat signed the deal - 700 Arab brethren would be 
alive today.  Arabs would have all the land they sought, and 
there would be peace.  Imagine that.  But.. I guess..  the 
extinction of the Jews is paramount to peace.

The next agreement (about 6 to 9 months away), will be accepted, 
OR ELSE!!!!  This agreement will be far from as generous as the 
last.  But, there will be peace and a total halt to the suicide 
bombings and shooting rampages.  OR ELSE!!!!

John
E...

One final thought.  If a family member of mine, say my sister 
(whom I love dearly), was blown up by a suicide bomber while 
simply shopping for tomatos at the local market, and, if no 
government entity could exersize justice, I might be capable of 
committing an act of revenge.  That act would be a separate 
action from my government sponsored action.  I would be acting 
independent of my government.  I will not accept the stories (or 
facts) of Israeli attrocities potentially committed against 
Palestinians.

The Israeli position and the civilized world's postion is:  A 
suicide bomber is a terrorist indiscriminately murdering men, 
women and children and it must stop, OR ELSE!!!

One more final thought.  If a tank pulled in to your 
neighborhood, would you throw rocks at it?  That's about as dumb 
as dirt.

From: John
To: Kamil
Date: Thu Nov 22 10:31:52 2001

Message:
Dear Kamil,  I choose not to disect your rediculous arguments as 
all contained are obsurd.

Here's the bottom line:  Osama bin Laden is a terrorist's.  
Osama bin Laden's - al Qaeda army are terrorist's.  The Taliban 
supported and harbored these terrorists's.  These terrorist's 
and those that harbored and supported them are responsible for 
mass murdering 5000 United States citizens.  These mass 
murderer's are being killed today.  Every last one of them and 
all present and future terrorist's that exist on this planet are 
being and will be killed.  End of story.

A secondary initiative of this campaign (and it is secondary), 
is the liberation of the Afghan people from Taliban control.  
And that's a good thing.  Though, if not for the mass murder of 
5000 United States citizens would not be a reality today.

I'll even simplify this greater for you Ms. Kamil:

If you, or anyone, murder or threaten to murder a United States 
citizen we are going to kill you.

John
E pluribus unum

From: John
To:
Date: Thu Nov 22 10:47:30 2001

Message:
Let's see if I can put forth the Israeli postion as succintly as 
the United States postion:

If you, or anyone, murder or threaten to murder an Israeli 
citizen we are going to kill you.

John
E...

From: open mind/closed fist
To: all
Date: Thu Nov 22 09:58:13 2001

Message:
Happy Thanksgiving and Ramadan and whatever holidays are
in progress around the world to all.
 Im not a religeous person at all, I have always believed
in factual and scientific answers to everything. I have
never even been interested in fictional books and would
rather see a "based on a true story" movie than any other.
 But I do believe in a Highest Power that I will never
understand.
 I have much to be thankfull for everyday really but then
that "take it for granted" thing kicks in.
 I am not sure of the origin but this statement has always
stuck in my mind, and Im not sure if this is exactly how
it goes.
 "More people have been killed, and more wars fought in the name
of religeon than anything else".
 Has anyone else heard of this statment or know of its origin?

From: PRDKT
To: Sick Jews & Christians
Subject: Stolen Land,stolen God
Date: Thu Nov 22 10:33:02 2001

Message:
I think the white race are fundamentalist and terrorist.
Hundreds of years the white race is stealing countries,killing 
it's population,destroying cultures and religions.
think about what they have done to the Native 
Americans,Aborigine's,the black Africans,Koreans,Vietnamese,etc.
They came to kill,to steal,to rape.And after they took 
everything away,they brought an untrue God wich they stole from 
the Jews,and with that they brought an untrue way of live wich 
keeps the non white races down and lost frm their roots.Ofcourse 
billions of people have good reasons to hate Americans!!!It's 
time to stand up and teach the white race to show some respect 
for the non white races.they are with many and whites are just a 
few.So piss of,go home where you came from,and come back again 
with respect.Whites are no ubermenschen but more worst than(i'm 
sorry i get them into it)animals.THINK!!!

From: John
To: Ashraf
Subject: RE: EagleEye
Date: Thu Nov 22 10:53:42 2001

Message:
Ashraf, EagleEye is independent of myself.  I seek not to 
control his thoughts nor the words he chooses to communicate 
with.  It is true, I often find his choice of words offensive. 
But, I choose not to, nor could I, censor him.  He is an 
independent thinker who is far advanced compared to the majority 
of this planet, including you.  I have, and many have ability to 
see through the rhetoric he presents to find the facts he lays 
out.  You presently cannot see them, possibly because you have 
been the brunt of his comments and opinions of late.  Or, it may 
be, you have selective reading and listening skills.  Kind of 
like a United States diehard liberal who can't see the bigger 
picture.  They are so consumed with a single paint stroke the 
artists message remains unseen.

Eagle and I could do a great radio show together.  I'd play the 
tempering liberal.  Unfortunately the FCC would fine ($) he and 
his station out of (air) existence.

I don't agree with about 15% of his statements and that is when 
he generalizes, as you do with regard to Jews.  Now don't go off 
on the single paint stroke.  Focus on the big picture.

You may not see it Mr. Ashraf, but I just scolded him.

Happy Thanksgiving.  Happy Ramadan.

John
E...

From: Spy
To: PRDKT
Date: Thu Nov 22 11:34:04 2001

Message:
Look at what you asses have been doing to each other
for thousands of years !!!THINK!!!
You are such a pathetic excuse for a human; but none the 
less, a good a excuse for one without a brain.

From: Noah
To: Everyone
Subject: exhausted
Date: Thu Nov 22 11:16:07 2001

Message:
Just in case not everyone figured it out, I am no longer 
posting as "exhausted". Just wanted to clarify that. MMmmm 
turkey's in the oven and it smells GOOOD!

From: John
To: PRDKT
Date: Thu Nov 22 11:46:03 2001

Message:
Let's see if I can succintly spell it out for you too PRDKT.

If you, or anyone, murder or threaten to murder a United States 
citizen, we are at war, and we are going to kill you.

J
E...

From: John
To: PRDKT and Kamil
Subject: If freedom, freedom of religion, democracy, and capitalism is a threat to you, so be it. You will never understand...
Date: Thu Nov 22 12:04:40 2001

Message:
This Washington Post article spells out PRDKT's and Kamil's 
belief and position far more succintly then they are capable.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2246-
2001Nov22.html

Syed Tayyab Agha, spokesman for Taliban supreme leader Mullah 
Mohammed Omar, told foreign reporters that concern about the 
Sept. 11 attacks, which claimed thousands of lives, has been 
superseded by U.S. airstrikes that "are killing daily our 
innocent people."

"You should forget the Sept. 11 attacks because now there is a 
new fighting against Muslims and Islam, and the international 
and global terrorists like America and Britain, they are killing 
daily our innocent people," Agha said.

He said the deadly hijackings were carried out by people in the 
United States   not the Taliban   and were "the problem of 
(President) Bush and (British Prime Minister) Tony Blair."

"This is not our problem," Agha added

********

Well PRDKT and Kamil and All who believe as they -  Your 
rhetoric hardens our resolve.  Your position is a position of 
ignorance.  Unfortunately, opportunity to help you understand is 
not possible, for you and they are a proven threat to our 
citizenry, proven by the mass murder of 5000 US private 
citizens.   Our armed forces and intelligence agencies must 
eliminate you.  I am sorry.  But, we are left with no other 
choice.  We must act in self defense.  We can only hope your 
children lacking of future Maddrasses influence will see and 
understand the United States and the Western World is no threat 
to you.  But seeks only to help spread freedom, freedom of 
religion, democracy, and capitalism the world over.  If freedom, 
freedom of religion, democracy, and capitalism is a threat to 
you, so be it.  You will never understand.

John
E...

From: John
To: Ashraf
Date: Thu Nov 22 12:33:35 2001

Message:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/calthomas/ct20011122.shtml

Cal Thomas
November 22, 2001

Secretary Powell's 'vision' is a mirage

Secretary of State Colin Powell told a University of Louisville 
audience last Monday that he has a "vision" for peace in the 
Middle East. It's more like a mirage. 

Powell indulged in the familiar wishful thinking about the 
region and asserted things that are factually not true. 

Powell cited "negotiations" at Madrid in 1991 and Oslo in 1993, 
which he said were examples of opportunities for peace that 
might again be available. In fact, Israel ceded land in those 
deals, which it had seized to protect itself from aggressive 
Arab states and terrorist Palestinian acts. Palestinian 
Authority leader Yasser Arafat promised to make peace, not war. 
Instead, he made, and continues to make, war. 

"We have a vision of a region where two states - Israel and 
Palestine - live side by side within secure and recognized 
borders," said Powell. That's not Arafat's vision. In 1974, 
Arafat and his henchmen concocted a "Plan of Phases." Phase One 
is doing whatever is necessary to force Israel to relinquish 
land, while giving nothing in return. Phase Two is 
the "liberation" of the rest of the land, including the Jewish 
state itself. Palestinian schoolbooks carry maps of "Palestine" 
that do not include Israel. 

Powell's "vision" is "of a region where all people worship God 
in a spirit of tolerance and understanding." He cannot point to 
a single Islamic state where tolerance and understanding are 
extended to non-Muslims. What makes him think a Palestinian 
state would exhibit anything but hostility toward anyone who 
does not toe its political and theological line? 

Powell commendably called on the Palestinian side to cease 
violence before negotiations with Israel can begin, but Arafat 
alternately says he can, or can't control the violence. Besides, 
violence is not an aberration, it is part of the Plan of Phases. 
Arafat's vision differs from Powell's. Arafat wants it all. If 
he didn't, he would have accepted the deal offered him in 2000 
by former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak for 95 percent of 
the "occupied territories," with Israel compensating Arafat with 
its own territory for at least part of the remaining five 
percent. If settlements were an impediment to peace (which 
amount to just 1.5 percent of the occupied territories), the 
Barak offer should have been sufficient to produce an agreement. 

Powell didn't mention Palestinian communities in Judea and 
Samaria (the West Bank) and Gaza, which, according to Israeli 
government estimates, are being built at 10 times the rate of 
Jewish "settlements." The Oslo agreement does not prohibit 
Israel from building on West Bank land, but one might think so 
to listen to Powell, who called for an end to "settlement" 
construction. 

Some of Israel's detractors are critical of the U.S. aid it 
receives. But the United States sends $100 million annually to 
Palestinian Arabs. In his address, Powell spoke of the need to 
create a vibrant Palestinian economy. Why hasn't that money been 
used to improve the lot of Palestinians and why is Arafat not 
held accountable for misspending it? 

Powell called for the arrest, prosecution and punishment of "the 
perpetrators of terrorist acts." That won't happen. On the rare 
occasions when Arafat orders someone's arrest, the culprit is 
released within a short period of time. 

"Palestinians must accept that they can only achieve their goals 
through negotiation," Powell said Monday. Every concession wrung 
from Israel has come from violence and U.S. pressure. Why should 
Arafat negotiate when terror has been so effective? 

Powell spoke of the "innocent Palestinians, including children" 
who have been killed or wounded in the past 14 months of 
violence. But most, if not all of these, have been put in the 
front lines and urged to throw rocks in hopes that they will be 
wounded or killed to make Israel look bad and force her into new 
concessions. Powell neglected to mention the innocent Israelis 
who are regularly targeted for death by Palestinians. 

Powell made numerous false assumptions in his speech, chief 
among them that the Palestinians would be satisfied with their 
own state adjacent to Israel. Their behavior since 1947, when 
they were offered just such a deal, proves otherwise. 

If Arafat is serious about peace, he'll stop the violence for a 
7-day "cooling-off period," as Israeli Prime Minister Ariel 
Sharon has demanded. Otherwise, what is there to negotiate? 


 2001 Tribune Media Services


From: EagleEye
To: John
Subject: PRDKT / Ashraf et al.
Date: Thu Nov 22 12:33:12 2001

Message:
First - hey thanks for the kudos and the lashing all in one 
paragraph - hahhahahahaha. OOOPZ, Oh wait .... LOL! That better?

Sarcasm on : How dare you John try and SPREAD such traiterous 
notions as free will, free speech, freedom of religion [hell 
just tolerance would be high treason] - capitalism - John you 
are the spawn of Satan for thinking such things!!!

Seriously now - isnt there just un fathomable levels of 
hypocrisy and irony in the european and especially middle 
eastern [Arab Street?] views of their media sources? I cant help 
but laugh out loud listening to the "balanced", truthful boasts 
of Ashraf, Kamil et al [i didnt want to include Waldo Pig Jigalo 
in with Ashraf out of a minor level of  RESPECT to Ashraf] about 
how - only they are getting and can divine the truth.  Yet when 
they "cut and paste" feeds of their bastions of investigative 
reporting - it is merely OP ED pieces of rabid Anti American 
drivel.  The authors [in general] take one or two factoids,[ 
typically irrelevant ones at that] and then build a 3 page rant 
around it supported by urban legend, sterotypes and street 
sentiment. Kamil's bantor was just such an example.

Its hilarious listening to Middle Easterners SCREAMING at their 
rooftops about America's propagandized media, as they cite and 
recite some of the most far fetched hyperbole ever published.

There was even actual serious consideration given to the Isreali 
Massad masterminding the whole endeavor - just to give USA 
an "excuse" to go after bin Lucifer. Now that was a real 
investigative piece of work there.  Balanced, acurate -
 "responsible" reporting at its finest.

Hey Euro detractors and Middle Easterners - here's clue for 
you.  America is at WAR. When that happens - as it has for 
decades - the propaganda machine is in full effect, and the govt 
gets more involved in what gets sent out over the airwaves. If 
that offends you - fuck off - we dont care.  Keep your 
hijackings and bombs to yourselves and neither of us will have 
to worry about it now will we? 

Waaaaaaa that mean evil american media [oh I forgot .. Jew 
controlled media] ... that mean mean American Government 
Waaaaaaaaaaah!

If you want to point fingers around for lies and mis truths - 
start by looking in the mirror, and at your neighbors - the 
middle east is the poster child for such non-sense.  Lest I 
remind of your Ayatollah[s]?  Unbalanced, propaganda INDEED. But 
hey - I hear you can get a great deal on a Sat Dish in Iran 
right now .. a littel banged up but ....... 

From: Spy
To: PRDKT&"friends"
Subject: "ThanksGiving"----got my Indian Friends over; my Black Friends over, got my White Friends over etc.----
Date: Thu Nov 22 14:09:39 2001

Message:
and nobody's blown up the place yet ---- no suicide 
bombers here !!!
Funny tho'---We All Wanta' "Kick Some Terrorist Butt"--United 
We Stand !!!

From: PRDKT
To: Spy
Subject: Thanksgiving
Date: Thu Nov 22 16:19:43 2001

Message:
Anthrax letters from your own people!
Americans even hate eachother1

From: Radio Europe
To: PRDKT
Subject: die
Date: Thu Nov 22 15:36:59 2001

Message:
"I think the white race are fundamentalist and terrorist.
Hundreds of years the white race is stealing 
countries,killing 
it's population,destroying cultures and religions"

Good news, PRDKT, there's only one -politically active- 
religion left and guess who we're coming for, now...

Oh, and you thought it was your turn now, to "steel countries"  
then, didn't you?  
Your way?  No way!

You're more worst stinking racist animal cunt, yourself.
Now you THINK, if you could.

You're nothing, you came to the wrong place, there's no 
reasoning possible with you, bcause your screwed-up brain 
has no concept of equality OR peace.

You're mind is as tranparent as early morning air.  
It is completely screwed up by a misunderstanding of the 
human race and the world as a whole, probably by a certain 
religion.
You have no sense of  what America OR Europe stand
for.

You're just shit-full of frustration with plastic eyeballs 
popped into it, staring strangely at something you don't 
understand. And you can't even type, fucker.

We are European, we're English, Spanish, Jewish, Irish, 
Italian, Chinese, Indian,and lot more. 

We were the ones who's forefathers went into the world to 
make it what it is today. In their own way, they were the stong 
ones, they made some bad mistakes, but hey, they won.

A true American, he be black or white, Chinese, Jew, Irish, 
Italian or whatever is, and will be an American.
Not so by fear or terror, but from his own free choice.
Many, if not all of them came from far and suffered greatly to 
become Americans.

Todays Europeans, are trying to become a people too, and 
one day will be, if not allready.

So, who you calling fundamentalist, you sick fuck?
If indeed democratic fundamentalism exists, count us in.
Because if it weren't for us, investing billions and billions 
into freedom and democracy, where would you be?

Radio thinks it be best for us we blow up something, too...

The World Trade Agreement should be next. 
Better we keep our cash between us and have you rot some 
more instead of reading your crap and trying to make sense 
of it.


from The Junior Staff at Radio Europe,

this was Radio Europe, From Europe once more...






From: Radio Europe
To: PRDKT
Subject: die (again, corrected by our editor)
Date: Thu Nov 22 17:06:21 2001

Message:
"I think the white race are fundamentalist and terrorist.
Hundreds of years the white race is stealing 
countries,killing 
it's population,destroying cultures and religions"

Good news, PRDKT, there's only one -politically active- 
religion left and guess who we're coming for, now...

Oh, and you thought it was your turn now, to "steel countries"  
then, didn't you?  
Your way?  No way!

You're more worst stinking racist animal cunt, yourself.
Now you THINK, if you could.

You're nothing, you came to the wrong place, there's no 
reasoning possible with you, bcause your screwed-up brain 
has no concept of equality OR peace.

You're mind is as tranparent as early morning air.  
It is completely screwed up by a misunderstanding of the 
human race and the world as a whole, probably by a certain 
religion.
You have no sense of  what America OR Europe stand
for.

You're just shit-full of frustration with plastic eyeballs 
popped into it, staring strangely at something you don't 
understand. And you can't even type, fucker.

We are European, we're English, Spanish, Jewish, Irish, 
Italian, Chinese, Indian,and lot more. 

We were the ones who's forefathers went into the world to 
make it what it is today. In their own way, they were the 
strong ones, they made some bad mistakes, but hey, they 
won.

A true American, he be black or white, Chinese, Jew, Irish, 
Italian or whatever, is, and will be an American.
Not so by fear or terror, but from his own free choice.
Many, if not all of them came from far and suffered greatly to 
become Americans.

Todays Europeans, are trying to become a people too, and 
one day will be, if not allready.

So, who you calling fundamentalist, you sick fuck?
If indeed democratic fundamentalism exists, count us in.
Because if it weren't for us, investing billions and billions 
into freedom and democracy, where would you be?

Radio thinks it be best for us we blow up something, too...

The World Trade Agreement should be next. 
Better we keep our cash between us and have you rot some 
more instead of reading your crap and trying to make sense 
of it.


from The Junior Staff at Radio Europe,

this was Radio Europe, From Europe once more...

From: John
To: PRDKT
Subject: facts, facts, facts, - don't go bringing facts into this now.
Date: Thu Nov 22 16:58:52 2001

Message:
Well, let us look at this and compare.  Here in the United 
States quite possibly there may be (unproven, it may be al 
Qaeda) a lone sick individual mailing deadly bacteria.  If of 
domestic origination, this is but one person.  Now let's compare 
this to the Mujahadim.  When tensions with the Soviets quieted 
down they turned on each other in armed conflict.  Then when the 
Soviets entirely pulled out the conflicts elevated to a full 
blown civil war, thereby destroying anything left the Soviets 
failed to destroy.  That war continued for five years until the 
Taliban took over. 

Let us see here now...   Am I referring to the peace loving 
Muslims warring other Muslims?  Like the Shiite fighting the 
Pashtun, only intervened by other foreign Muslim invaders, the 
Taliban?  hmmm...  Yeah, you are a peace loving people.

As PRDKT says to self - facts, facts, facts, - don't go bringing 
facts into this now.

John
E pluribus unum

From: PRDKT
To: radio europe
Subject: NUKE
Date: Thu Nov 22 17:18:21 2001

Message:
You sick fuck!Shouting at me without saying something!
You are such a blind pig!This is neokolonialism,neofascism,so 
called demoncrazy! 

From: John
To: Radio Europe
Subject: RE: PRDKT
Date: Thu Nov 22 17:29:34 2001

Message:
Great piece Radio E.  Unfortunately even the concept of world 
trade is so far beyond scope of understanding for PRDKT, as 
PRDKT can read from only one source, the Koran.  If only they 
could see just a single day into the future, or even the past 
for that matter...

Thank you Radio E.   Have a happy Thanksgiving.

John
E...

From: John
To: PRDKT
Subject: Ask why. Then go find out why.
Date: Thu Nov 22 17:44:05 2001

Message:
You've confirmed it PRDKT, you failed to comprehend anything 
Radio Europe said.  Do you want to stay this dumb?  Do you not 
want to learn?  Why would you want to remain so ignorant.  You 
obviously have Internet access.  Do the research.  Use your 
search engines.  Ask the questions.  What is freedom?  What is 
democracy.  What does it mean to have freedom of choice?  What 
is freedom of religion?  Why is such a freedom a good thing?  
What is, and how does capitalism spread wealth to all?  Wouldn't 
it be a good thing if everyone had a roof above them and food on 
their plate?  Capitalism, democracy, freedom, offer these things 
to all, not solely a select few.  That is why 100's of millions 
have immigrated to this nation, for these freedoms.  Ask why.  
Then go find out why.

John
E...

From: open mind/closed fist
To: prdkt
Subject: suprise
Date: Thu Nov 22 18:02:04 2001

Message:
May you look to see where the shots are coming from with
your high quality, American made field glasses just in time
to see the African or Native American, top of the fucking line,
sniper squeeze off the .50 cal. round that takes half your
head off. Only in that split second will you truly understand.


                   

From: Noah
To: PRDKT
Subject: whoohoo! another ignoramus!
Date: Thu Nov 22 18:58:45 2001

Message:
Yeay!! I'm glad you came back, we were running out of 
ignorant people. Thank you for the entertainment. I don't 
know if I can add anything beyond what others are trying to 
tell you, but I'll at least voice my opinion that you need more 
love in your life.  Today I pondered the first thanksgiving and 
how we were so at peace with our Native Americans then 
and wondered how we went so wrong in the next two 
centuries. Now I am glad that we have repented from our 
treatment of new cultures as they become a part of our 
culture. I don't know if you can ever understand how much 
America depends on it's diversity. The way you talk, you have 
no idea what America is about and what Americans are 
about. It's sad. I wish you could know what we're about and 
what freedom is about. I wish you could understand the 
meaning of love and forgiveness. 

I am hoping that your presence here is, if anything, a 
circumspect way to seek the truth. You shall learn the truth 
and the truth shall set you free. Not my words...

Thank you for seeking.

From: Disgusted
To: Ashraf
Subject: Tired of Liars
Date: Thu Nov 22 19:25:02 2001

Message:
Ashraf wrote: "Solution: Let the Jews stick to their side of the 
line, and the Palestinians will stick to theirs.."

Ashraf, every time I have watched on the news that Israel has 
pulled troops out of a region as requested, they have immediately 
been followed by assassinations by Palestinians, such as the 
recent one that killed one of their top ministers (of tourism or 
whatever) this fall. It is a bald-faced lie to say that this 
failure of both parties to stick to their sides of a line is the 
Israelis' fault. I would like to see the Israelis withdraw troops 
from all West Bank and disputed territories again AND this time 
stop seeing it followed up by deliberate attacks on them by PLO 
terrorists hoping to continue stirring up trouble. The PLO does 
not seem to really want peace or both sides sticking to one side 
of the line; they just give lip service to the idea to dump 
all the blame on the Israelis and then we see repeats of 
Palestinian attacks on Israelis and Israelis traipsing right back 
over the line to hunt for the perpetrators, which is apparently 
what the Palestinians want. All I ever see out of this area is a 
cycle of stupidity just like the damn Northern Irish conflict. I 
wouldn't be sorry to see Northern Ireland, Israel, the West Bank, 
Gaza Strip and all PLO holdings nuked if it would stop the 
conflict (i.e., removal of both sides of the conflict 
permanently). It just seems to be never-ending, with an 
everlasting pack of lies from Palestinians justifying the 
violence as though they haven't baited 99% of it themselves every 
time Israel pulls out of a region by following an Israeli 
pullout with a Palestinian assassination of Israelis with a 
month or two. There can easily be peace in that region if the PLO 
stops its continuous violence and aggressions that create Israeli 
defensive maneuvers to hunt for the terrorists. No one is stupid 
enough not to see through all the garbage the PLO is spewing. I 
hate both sides of the conflict and wish Allah and Jehovah would 
hit both sides with a lightning bolt.

From: Disgusted
To: John and others
Subject: Land bickering
Date: Thu Nov 22 19:40:22 2001

Message:
As to all this crap about Israelis "taking land that doesn't 
belong to them," as mentioned by several posters, Muslims have 
frequently taken land that didn't belong to them as well, such as 
when they took Palestine from the Jews in the first place. And 
before that it was Romans and before that god only knows how many 
other warring tribes ad infinitum to cave man days, and the same 
situation goes on in every peace of land. No peace of land really 
belongs to any tribe and there was always someone there first. 
The question is whether dying and killing endlessly over a piece 
of land ceaselessly is worth it. Certainly there is nothing 
religious or muslim about dying over land, money and greed, or 
about worrying over one's empire. What is your point? Are you 
wanting to reinstate the Ottoman Empire? You'll need to get rid 
of a number of other nation states as well, if so, not just 
Israel. You aren't going to be able to turn the clock back, just 
like the Irish Catholics are never going to see all the 
Protestant Scots deported back to Scotland out of Northern 
Ireland. It is not going to happen and we need to deal with the 
situations as we see them NOW instead of all this very 
unreligious, unmuslim, hypocritical bunch of hateful statements 
about the U.S. and its citizens. Let's get the Israelis and PLO 
to draw up the final papers, get both sides on their sides of the 
line and let's see the PLO stop its terrorists from starting up 
more attacks that cause Israel to run over and hunt for the 
perpetrators. That's what needs to happen instead of all this 
stupid, infantile obsession on blaming each other. Both cultures 
are marvelous; both the Arabs and Israelis have written language 
systems and cultural/religious/artistic traditions that make them 
have many more similarities with each other than they do with 
Western European cultures. I wish they would focus on 
intellectual achievements instead of constant bickering and 
blaming. When we see children bickering in an American highschool 
classroom, people find the behavior pathetic, but somehow Arabs 
live in a constant puerile state of beating their breasts like 
it's still the era of Tamerlane's cavalry empire and worrying 
over who stepped on whose land instead of focusing on the 
wonderful artistic and cultural achievements they could reach if 
they'd put their energy into it instead of centering life on 
military life. Bin Laden really wasted a ton of money he could 
have spent making Afghanistan an international center of culture. 
Sad.

From: Patrick
To: PRDKT
Subject: Think further than your nose...
Date: Thu Nov 22 19:28:49 2001

Message:
I landed onto this site while surfing for developement in 
Afghanistan...what a sad site this is...

It is human nature (regardless of your faith, religion, ethny, 
status or anything) to dislike and even hate people from 
different places with different culture, language etc,.

Now just picture this...when humans beings with a common dislike 
for someone or something meet, these feelings increases and along 
comes hate and ruthlesness...add to this mistakes from every 
sides over the centuries and you have the right elements for a 
good fight...isn't it just ridiculous???

What angry's me reading all these messages here is that all of 
you tries to impose to the other that only THEM has the right 
beleives, religion, culture or whatever.

How can you be so close minded? for as long as your beleives 
system make you a person that YOU are at peace with you cares 
about the others that enjoys a different system??? How can they 
be infidels or enemies when they don't even know your beleives 
system, therefore never was fidel so can't be an infidel???

Jews and Arabs, blacks and whites, catholics and protestants, 
communists and democrates, all shares different cultures, 
religions, beleives etc, are they all enemies? No! eventhough 
whites abused blacks, protestants killed catholics, so on and so 
forth...does that justifies to slam Airliners onto our buildings, 
peoples and families? 

I am Canadian from Toronto, and what they did on 9/11 has taken a 
piece of my heart for ever. Never before have I been so hangry 
towards arabs and others supporting Bin Laden, but yet i still 
can't comprehend that we (Americans/Canadians)who do our own 
things in our own backyards with our own beleive system where the 
target of such cowards acts. The authors of 9/11 are terrorists 
and so are everyones supporting them, close or far. That some of 
your friends and families are being kill in the aftermath while 
we are fighting those who support terrorism (often living under 
your own roof, but yet nobody knows...)is sadening but not as 
much hurtfull as my friends that died in New York, Pensylvania 
and Washington....


Thanks for reading

From: Spy
To: PRDKT
Subject: Anthrax Letters
Date: Thu Nov 22 20:00:36 2001

Message:
So--you know who sent them 'ey?

From: Fuck all you bastards
To:
Subject: dicks
Date: Thu Nov 22 19:58:48 2001

Message:
all that fucking afghanistaners they most al die and fuck osama 
he is greatest fucking cocksucker that y no fuck your all 
stinky lama fuckers bitch ass fuckers the taliban stinks to 
they ar also cocksukers go all fuck a stinky old lama suckers!

From: Disgusted
To: FAUB
Subject: Drunk posters
Date: Thu Nov 22 22:14:16 2001

Message:
Ignore the drunks like Mr. "fuck all you bastards." I hope 
idiots like him realize that he just erases the points the 
people who are against the terrorism are trying to make every 
time he opens his fat mouth. As to the Canadian in the message 
before, you are also imposing yourself as the only person with 
the right opinion as well. There is not anyone posting who 
doesn't think they have all the answers. All I've been saying is 
that there can be peace if people want peace in Israel and 
Palestine. The problem is that the PLO so far blames it all on 
Israel and doesn't cooperate long enough for there to be any, 
and neither of the two will ever favor peace till the PLO stops 
Palestinian terrorist acts against Israelis; Palestinians seem 
to think that if they keep terrorizing Israelis, eventually 
Israel will just magically give up and move out. That won't 
happen any more than will the Irish Prots leave N. Ireland, so 
the two sides need to learn to live together. THE PEOPLE WHO 
MADE THE MISTAKES ARE NOT ALIVE ANY MORE, SO BLAMING ALL 
AMERICANS, BRITS OR ANYBODY ELSE FOR WHAT'S THERE NOW IS AS 
UNFAIR AS IT WOULD BE TO BLAME ALL THE CURRENT PEOPLE OF ANY 
COUNTRY FOR DECISIONS OR ACTS MADE BY THEIR ANCESTORS. Muslim 
anti-American Hate leads to nothing but an incredible waste of 
energy and breeds more hate, like that of the U.S. drunken fool 
posting under F.A.U.B (I won't spell it out).

From: om/cf
To: prdkt & fayb
Date: Thu Nov 22 21:23:18 2001

Message:
America is a huge country of course with its fare share
of sickos, now what do you know about those letters sicko?
 I would place my bet on Iraqs hand in that though with
their much higher sicko per capita ratio. Iraq is getting
very nervous all the sudden, even trying to negotiate
letting arms inspectors back in at way to high a price.
Sodamn Insane knows he is next in line for a ass whipping
and is trying to line up the best deal he can for the pain
he is about to recieve.
 France moving a carrier in, other countrys on the move with
their troops and warships, it almost sounds like, whats that
word? Coalition? It is bad word to those countrys providing
any type of support to terrorists, a very bad word.
 FAYB dont lump all of Afghanastan in with the crazys who
have done these things using a religion as the reason. This
gets me back to the point of war & religion. Does anyone
really believe their God, whoever that may be wants to be used
in this manner as a scapegoat. Im not religious but would
think he/she/it would not want to blamed to be connected to
any of this bullshit.
 I am still looking for the origin of the statement I mentioned
in a earlier post that I first heard from my father who was in
the American Army in France & Austria during WWII.

From: Liberal American
To: All
Subject: Listen to each other and learn!
Date: Thu Nov 22 23:31:16 2001

Message:
Where is that old Beatle John when you need him?

Imagine!

From: American
To: Enemies of America
Subject: Fate Of Enemies Of America
Date: Fri Nov 23 00:52:59 2001

Message:
You will bury yourselves.

From: EagleEye
To: American
Subject: Fate of Enemies of America
Date: Fri Nov 23 01:23:22 2001

Message:
Exactly why I call that region ALLAH's kitty litter box.  All 
the dead turds just get sand kicked over them and then we move 
on.

Sodomy Hinsane has perfected the art with the Kurds.

From: EagleEye
To: All who respectfully joined the salute
Subject: Many Thanks !
Date: Fri Nov 23 01:36:20 2001

Message:
You all are awesome, America appreciates your support.

From: EagleEye
To: Disgusted
Subject: Thanks for your contributions
Date: Fri Nov 23 01:45:11 2001

Message:
I like your style.  Great signal to noise ratio.

From: EagleEye
To: Radio Europe
Subject: WOW!!!
Date: Fri Nov 23 01:47:05 2001

Message:
Get after it Hoss!!  I felt you on that last post brother.

However; I wouldnt want to see you head down the slippery slope 
I have embarked on.... with your new style - however; if needed -
 I'm down here chillin :-) and I got your back.

Keep the Signal Strong brother

From: EagleEye
To: PRDKT
Subject: Please keep posting .........
Date: Fri Nov 23 01:52:18 2001

Message:
Your wonderful insight into world affairs and reality is 
sooooo .. overwhelming.  We are in continual awe of your ability 
to communicate.  

Are you speaking Arabic/Al-Quda cell code to ASSRAshf and Kamil 
Jockey?  You too may be suffering from Cranial Rectitus. 
Symptoms equal skull engulfed by sphincter. you know you really 
should get that corrected ..... Your driving Waldo Pig Jigalo to 
much anger as he no longer has an orafice in which to insert his 
self.  Enough of your personal life. 

How is Bejing this time of year? I hear the WTC center videos 
your govt is putting out is selling like hot cakes over there.  
Got your copy yet? 

Shalom, Happy Honnakuh - may RamaBomb bring you and your family 
much shrapnel.

From: EagleEye
To: World
Subject: How some Muslims observe Ramadon
Date: Fri Nov 23 02:34:06 2001

Message:
"The report, released in Washington, London and Islamabad, 
listed media accounts over the past several weeks, including 
allegations that the Taliban killed eight boys who laughed at 
soldiers, burned an entire family alive, and killed 100 Afghans 
and hung their bodies from lamp posts to warn would-be 
defectors. "

Ooooohhh we better stop bombing the Towel e go Bam there Kamil - 
we sure wouldnt want to hinder or prevent any more of this "Holy 
RamaBomb Observance" from taking place.

Looks like the Arab Street needs a good SWEEP.

From: allatti2d
To: Everyone
Subject: Thanksgiving
Date: Fri Nov 23 02:22:33 2001

Message:
I hope everyone had a fulfilling Thanksgiving, to those who 
celebrated today.

Americans never cease to amaze me.  With all the extreme 
diversity across the U.S., the mixture of all cultures, all 
beliefs, all lifestyles into one country, we stand together 
firmly in our resolve to preserve our freedoms and our democracy.

America can suffer the loss in one day of thousands of its 
citizens and loved ones, fathers and mothers and children and 
siblings and friends; send its brave troops off to risk their 
lives in a war that is not so clear-cut as everyone would like, 
none of them nor their families knowing if or when they will 
return home; have its security breached and questioned and hurt 
by inhuman demons; and what does America do in response to 
this?  It bands together, united in strength and resolve, prays 
to whatever God gives them comfort and faith, brother to brother 
and neighbor to neighbor, and gives Thanks for those things held 
most dear... life, love, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  
Sadness is replaced by resolve; fear is replaced by courage; 
apathy is replaced by honor.

We do not do this because we are told to.  We do not run in the 
other direction to escape a governmental dictatorship.  We do 
not hide in fear of our leaders or our neighbors.  We stand 
strong and proud and together of our own free will, giving 
Thanks for what we have built together, and fighting to preserve 
the ground on which we stand.  Semper fideles, semper fidens.

From: Disgusted
To: all
Subject: clarification
Date: Fri Nov 23 03:17:36 2001

Message:
A last clarification of something I prattled about earlier. When 
I conjured up the image of blasting away both parties in the 
never-ceasing conflicts in Israel & Palestine and in N. Ireland, 
I was being facetious; I'm anti-nuke and I also know our nation 
isn't nukehappy either (and is lessening its arsenal soon too). 
I just wanted to make it plain my frustration that both sides in 
the Israel/PLO situation don't get it together and that we're 
all tired of the infants who won't work out things for peace and 
instead battle each other and drag us into it, spewing hate. 
Hate is NOT a muslim activity, and every muslim who participates 
in promoting hatred of any country and favoring genocide against 
americans is NOT a good muslim and therefore you're defeating 
your own purpose. Because hate is evil, and I know Islam isn't 
evil, so you must not be good muslims if you hate America or 
ANYONE. Haters are sick individuals who need psychological and 
spiritual help. I hope those of you spewing hate (against any 
party in the conflict) get some help soon and I hope the world 
gets some help to get the haters to heal the world's wounds. 
Every person spewing hate words and laughter about the WTC tower 
desturction demonstrates themselves to NOT be a religious or 
spiritual person in any way, shape or form.

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Disgusted, Spy, Noah, John & EagleEye
Date: Fri Nov 23 03:28:28 2001

Message:
Disgusted: Your comments are well crafted and very well thought 
out, may I echo EagleEye's comments to you.

Spy: Sounds like you had great party! In reference to that radio 
station site I recommended, do my comments bear any relection to 
the e-mails you've read on that board? In short, am I in your 
opinion, accurately reflecting U.K public Opinion in general as 
you see it as an American national? There's nothing fantastic 
about the site itself, granted, but your thoughts on the subject 
would be appreciated.

Noah: So you're 'exhausted'!,..aha!..I recall you asked about 
people's 'ages' before...I'm 34.

John & EagleEye: Your show broadcast 'live and uncensored' over 
the 'web', just think of the possibilities!

 

From: U.K.Citizen
To: om/cf
Date: Fri Nov 23 04:21:57 2001

Message:
Also, good stuff sir!

From: open mind/closed fist
To: bin lucky
Subject: the time is now
Date: Fri Nov 23 08:23:22 2001

Message:
With no surrender in Kunduz osama, you can still make
it there to die a honorable death with the other Arabs
recruited by you and the taliban. Sure its going to be
bloody and you will be grotesqly mutilated and violated
in O so many ways, maybe hung fron a lightpole, your
bloody limbless torso swinging in the breeze while all
the worlds media snaps pictures from every angle. Think
of the publicity for the cause. You got to give some, to
get some.
 Now you hop in one of those multi colored trucks with all
the fringed rugs, dodads, and dingle balls hanging off it
and get there pronto. Surely you are not afriad to fight
and die alongside your brave recruits? Now you come out of
those caves, hop in the flashy truck, oh and bring the ten
lookalikes, the more of you the merrier.
 Its time to WALK THE WALK, osama been pussy.

From: US Marines
To: afgan supporters and Terrorists
Subject: kill
Date: Sun Sep 30 17:26:34 2001

Message:
nuke thier ass and take the gas! thats all i have to say.

From: cassen
To: all
Subject: sending warm clothes
Date: Fri Nov 23 11:44:37 2001

Message:
hi-i would like to send warm clothes to the kids i see on TV
in Afghanistan--would also like to buy some goats and heifers
to help the families survive--thru heifer international--but
can i send food and clothing to families?? Whatever name we call 
him--God loves us all-and we are here to love each other.
                      j cassen

From: PRDKT
To: socalled freedomlovers
Date: Fri Nov 23 12:58:11 2001

Message:
New from Texas!!!George W.Bush goes Afganistan!!!Starring:John 
Wayne-Ronald Reagan-Sylvester Stalone and don't forget Superman!
To bring you freedom to waste oil,to eat MC.Donalds,to destroy 
rainforrest,to kill people in far away countries.Yeah Great,the 
American way of live.spread the Word!!!The World is YOURS!

From: Noah
To: Cassen
Subject: good idea
Date: Fri Nov 23 13:23:44 2001

Message:
Hey there, that's a good idea to send clothing and stuff for 
the children in Afghanistan. It is getting seriously cold there 
and I don't know how much longer they will have to wait. You 
say you can actually buy animals and send them over 
there?? that's a wild idea. I might do that if I can find this 
organization you're talking about. I just wonder if they'd have 
anywhere to graze. I think non-live food might be 
best...beans, grains, etc. Nice to hear from another caring 
person.

God Bless!

From: om/cf
To: PRDKT
Date: Fri Nov 23 13:32:02 2001

Message:

From: om/cf
To: PRDKT
Subject: movie
Date: Fri Nov 23 13:38:44 2001

Message:
Finally, a good movie out of hollywood. Two thumbs up!
But seriosly, once you've had Big Mac you'll never go back.

From: allatti2d
To: Everyone
Subject: Ashraf
Date: Fri Nov 23 14:25:51 2001

Message:
Y'all might remember Ashraf leaving his cell phone number on 
this board a while back.  I'd written it down, not even knowing 
if it was a true number or not.  This morning before work, I saw 
his number sitting on my television, and thought I'd give it a 
try -- though I didn't expect much.  (I'd called the number a 
few days ago but there was no answer.)

A man answered, and I asked who it was.  He said, "This is 
Ashraf."  I told him who I was and he was happy to hear from 
me.  We chatted for about 15 minutes or so, which was a little 
difficult because of the satellite (?) delay, since I'm in 
America and he's in Dubai.  He was very polite and gregarious, 
and I enjoyed the conversation.  It got me to thinking about the 
rest of you here....

I wonder how much of what we say on the message board reflects 
the things we'd say if we were sitting in a room talking.  We 
have the chance to think a little as we're typing, even though 
many times we'll post emotional reactions without thinking much, 
but I think face to face in a room we'd probably be a little 
more polite for the most part.  I'd love to hang out with many 
of you just to get to know you better, face to face, because I 
think a lot of you guys have some interesting perspectives to 
bring to the table and I could learn a lot from all of you.  I 
hope to talk to some of you at least through email at some point 
to learn more from you.

Anyway, my point is that Ashraf has been genuine with his phone 
number, at the very least, which leads me to believe that he has 
been genuine with many other things he has said here.  It's a 
great way to get to know at least one perspective about a side 
of the world that most of us will never see.

So who else wants to give me their number? :)

From: snake~~eyes
To: Heidi
Subject: You have my number
Date: Fri Nov 23 15:13:03 2001

Message:
Call me!! ROFL

From: ooops
To: oooops
Subject: ooopps
Date: Fri Nov 23 15:18:27 2001

Message:
oooops!

From: Ashraf
To: Allatti2d
Subject: ...
Date: Fri Nov 23 15:12:35 2001

Message:
Thanx for your post and for the phone call..

I enjoyed it alot myself.. You were just the person I thought 
you'd be.. cool, well-spoken and amuzing..

Sorry I didnt answer the phone the first time.. That's coz I had 
it on silent, but when I saw your number I called you back, and 
left you the message you had heard..

Thanx for ur call again..

I wonder if some people think this is just another stunt by me 
to get their numbers, and later their addresses.. especially 
Evil-Eye's..

We'll just have to wait and see.. Spy: Your turn to warn others 
about falling for this.. It could be another version of the Chat-
Room attempt.. Right..? LOL

Peace..

From: PRDKT
To: Spy
Subject: Factsfactsfacts....
Date: Fri Nov 23 15:11:29 2001

Message:
Yeah,one of yr own fundamentalists.
Facts,facts,facts...

From: EagleEye
To: PRDKT
Subject: is Waldo In your panties?
Date: Fri Nov 23 15:04:25 2001

Message:
"New from Texas!!!George W.Bush goes Afganistan!!!

Uhh .. thats all been done. GW star as the Turbanator in 
Ramabomb III.  Rave reviews and sell out crowds in USA.  Glad 
you are enjoying it too.

"Starring:John 
Wayne-Ronald Reagan-Sylvester Stalone and don't forget Superman!"

"To bring you freedom to waste oil"

Last I checked your bretheren the Royal Family, the Russians and 
Mexicans and Argentinians were laughing all the way to the bank 
with our US American dollars.  If everyones so pissed at our 
alleged waste - then maybe they should stop selling it to us?  
If you people werent so ignorant and devised a way to pay for 
Kalishnakovs AND had a better economic environment - maybe you'd 
have expendable incomes too.  Your stupidy is not my problem 
fool.  Additionally, maybe if you grew something besides 
Jihahhahaha warriors in Maddrasses you could spend less on 
importing FOOD and clothing.  Too bad you cant buy intelligence 
with all the aid Uncle Sam sends your dumb asses.


"to eat MC.Donalds"

Why are you Arab muslim types fixated on McDonalds?  We also eat 
at Wendy's, Carl's Jr. In N Out Burger, Taco Bell, White 
Castle, .... the list goes on.  Sorry no Kamil Burger joints 
over here.  We do get really good Chineese food though Chop Chop.

"to destroy rainforrest"

Yes ..... thats it... Waldo is in your panties and whispering 
sweet nothings in your ear.  Im sure you have tons of video of 
Americans en masse repelling from helicoptors thru the canopy 
with Chainsaws clear cutting vast sq. miles of the beloved rain 
forest.  Ohhhh or maybe it happens to be the local govt's 
doing?  Whats next, America caused leukemia?  USA is responsible 
for AIDS ... what other perposterous crap can you blame America 
for ..... your stupidity?  Yes maybe we are to blame for your 
ignorance - we let you live perhaps long enough to breed - shame.

"to kill people in far away countries"

Yes ... we have perfected the art, taught to us by the French, 
Germans, Ottomans, Japaneese, Russians and British.  We needed a 
little refresher, and your homeboy Usama bin Lucifer gave us 
great opportunity for a tune up.

"Yeah Great,the American way of live."

It is great, not perfect but great - beats the hell out of any 
society that would take your sorry hide.  Maybe you can point us 
to the great Arabic or Chineese civilization that is your 
utopia?  Pre-requisite though - sanitation ok?

"spread the Word!!!The World is YOURS!"

Maybe the world is ours, but obviousely we're not too enthused 
with the vast majority of it - especially ALLAH's kittly litter 
box - else we'd OWN that too. I certainly dont see Arab, or 
Chineese countries containing their commerce soley in their own 
borders - arent you proposing a double standard?  Freakin 
hypocritical little ignorant bastard.  I see how this works 
now .... let the Arabs sell their oil and other goods all over 
the world, let the chineese sell their goods all over the world, 
the Germans Italians et al.... but if America does ... ohhhh 
shit .. Imperialist money grubbing pigs.

Please cure the Cranial Rectitus immediatley - your brain is 
suffocating.

From: an Italian guy
To: PRDKT
Subject: plastic society and stone society
Date: Fri Nov 23 15:28:20 2001

Message:
Well, I've thought.

Your quote:
"A New World Order,whit American rights(what ever that is)"M.C.
Donalds"food" and nukes pointed to everybody who doesn't fit in 
the American way of life."
I'd better say American nukes are pointed to every country which
wants to kill Americans just because their way of life is so 
different from its own.
McDonalds food is good. Why don't you try and enjoy yourself a 
beautiful Triple McBacon with a Big Beer?

"Bush is terrorising the Muslim population in this world whit 
his enormous millitary power"
The (worst part of) Muslim population in this world is trying to
terrorising the U.S.A. with its coward and ferocious terrorist
attacks. 
You do know, that no Muslim in this world would have been to get 
scared from Bush's military power if Muslims learned to live in 
peace without nursing hatred and planning death to people that 
just think to their families and their well-being.

"he's stealing their oil and their land(the zionist enemy)
coward!!!!!!"
What, Bush is stealing Muslim's oil? I thought U.S. paid the 
oil they buy.
What, Bush is stealing Muslim's land?? Let's imagine.

"We are so far away from humanity"
What is your concept of humanity? Maybe the Islamic middle age 
society and way of thinking? I really don't understand why 
should we have to be inhuman.

"Hundreds of years the white race is stealing countries,killing 
it's population,destroying cultures and religions.
think about what they have done to the Native 
Americans,Aborigine's,the black Africans,Koreans,Vietnamese,etc.
They came to kill,to steal,to rape."
You are talking about the historical crimes of Europeans and of
the countries founded from Europeans. Okay. These sentences of
yours are true. The matter is that while the European culture 
and values have evolved and improved since then, Islam instead
is still living its middle-age, substantially (and I think the
causes of this are mainly of a religious nature).
We should have to observe that after invasions, destroyings and 
killings, Europeans also exported an advanced culture to those
countries, such as science, economy, thechnology, democracy 
concepts, etc.
Note: what "they have done" to Koreans and Vietnamese was war.

"they brought an untrue God wich they stole from the Jews"
What, Christians "stole" their God from Jews? Why, do Jews 
have no God left since then? This tells much about your way to
"THINK".

"...and with that they brought an untrue way of live wich 
keeps the non white races down and lost frm their roots"
Now the colonialism age is finished, and at present nobody is 
"kept down" or is forced to go in the McDonalds or to study 
the "white" science, or to accept the Christian God, or the 
western sexual corruption or the western life style or western 
consumerism.
On the contrary, the most (and best) part of our culture can
give progress.

"Of course billions of people have good reasons to hate 
Americans!!!" 
What billions of people? If you mean the Native Americans, 
you're right, but it's an old historical crime (and they 
aren't billions or people). 
Or rather you mean the countries which lost a war with them? 
Or the communists? 
Or the hatred-nursing and evil-planning Islam? 
Or simply all stupid people?

"I think the white race are fundamentalist and terrorist."
I really don't know what are YOUR concepts of fundamentalism 
and of terrorism.

"go home where you came from" 
I think likely all U.S. military basis in the world are 
authorized or bought terretories.

"Whites are no ubermenschen but more worst than(i'm 
sorry i get them into it)animals." 
(Oh, this one regards me too!...)
Very nice. I don't know if you are black, red or yellow.
But look at the history of science, of democracy and of 
philosophy, besides their ancient wisdom look also at some 
quite barbarous traditional customs of Islamic and of other 
African countries, and at their general backwardness, and 
see which culture is better.

By the way - since spelling is such a hot topic here -
" bermenschen" is to be written with 2 dots on a capital U 
(Alt-154) or can be written "Uebermenschen".

From: Ashraf
To: ADisgusted, Everyman, John & U.K. Citizen..
Subject: ...
Date: Fri Nov 23 15:22:07 2001

Message:
Thank you all for your posts, comments and Seasons greetings, 
even if some wish to call it RamaBobm..

Digusted:
Your point of view is very different. I see it as being 
partially unbiased, which is definitely a positive sign. Thanx 
for sharing your opinion.. And with respect to the Palestinian 
assassinations that follow the withdrawal of troops, the 
assassinations are actually in retaliation for similar attacks, 
instigated by the Jews. This brings us back to the theory of: 
who threw the first stone/ shot the first bullet.Exactly 3  
hours ago, a Jewish rocket was sent by a Jewish chopper to a car 
driven by 2 Palestinians. The bodies were unidentifiable.. The 
rest is for you to think about..

John: 
I guess you just gave Evil-Eye too much of a spanking by saying 
that. I wonder if you would have reacted using these very words, 
had he said that about Christianity or Jesus, may peace be upon 
him, God forbid!!.. I guess not, so think fairly.. Thanx

EveryMan:
You are welcome, and I agree to your evry word.. and I sincerely 
wish that everyone would adopt such priciples.. Thanx
PS: Welcome back to life, and please, drive carefully, or ask 
the driver you sit next to, to do the same.. 

U.K. Citizen:
It is actually the meaning behind my acceptance of your apology 
that went Blaaaaaaaaaasting past you.. Think of the wink at the 
end of the line, in which I had directed my response to you..
And yes, it does answer my question, and yours is a reasonably 
acceptable opinion as well.. Thanx

Peace to All.. 

From: EagleEye
To: PRDKT
Subject: New HIT movie from Arabia
Date: Fri Nov 23 15:35:07 2001

Message:
Starring O.B. Lucifer, Mullah Omar, and a bunch of malnourished, 
un-educated turban sporting Jihahahhahha panty waists.

Siskel and Kamil review:

This fine film takes us back to the 2nd century - just after the 
romans killed Jesus Christ.  Its a nifty little tale about how 
to blow shit up, and then get your ass kicked.  It potrays how 
well oiled the Middle Eastern propaganda machine really is - 
though still done in San Skrit as well as how to turn yellow in 
the face of Red White and Blue - not to mention BLU-82's.  The 
main characters who claim to CARE about the common person are 
exposed for the traiterous lying piles of sell out shit they 
really are.  They [bin lucifer and Omar] teach and train other 
young uneducated men with no hope how to die, but yet cant bring 
themselves to face what they call upon their brave bretheren to 
do - die with honor.  When the preverbial SHIT hits the Sand - 
the main characters run and hide in caves, and use innocents as 
shields to save themselves.  Devoid of sense and basically 
mentally castrated .. the main characters eventually end up 
sticking their prized possession in their mouths and pulling the 
trigger.  Thus ends this chapter that is the ongoing sage of the 
Middle East angst.

All in all - except for the brief Cameo of George W. Bush and 
Tony Blair - this tired tale gets two shit stained thumbs down.

The End.........

From: Harmony
To: All
Subject: Peace at last???
Date: Fri Nov 23 15:32:34 2001

Message:
Everbody should try to listen better and try to understand each 
other carefully. Most of you judge too early and most of you 
have a short vision only in one direction. It doesn't mean your 
vision is right for another,and for sure not that your vision is 
the best and the only! We are all a different person with 
different backgrounds, customs, traditions, beliefs, 
nationalities. Some like blue another green. But, we are all 
human! The first thing to learn is RESPECT!!! Shouting names, in 
the first place is not bringing any good to anyone, this is not 
the way,in any way.This will bring only war and is very 
childish. If someone likes to give an opinion, it's fine, but if 
you are shouting names you can't come trough. About typing 
errors, exuse me, english is not my native language, but Radio 
Europe, you are also making typing mistakes, should this be a 
big deal??? The small things, like this is frustrating, or a 
frustration within ones selves, that wasn't the issue at all.
Open your mind! 
Peace!!!

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Ashraf
Subject: Cyberspace shorthand..
Date: Fri Nov 23 16:22:52 2001

Message:
:) = (A Wink and a smile). Previously unaware. Duly noted.  

From: EagleEye
To: John - cuz Ashraf has me on ignore
Subject: rebuke your own then.
Date: Fri Nov 23 16:45:00 2001

Message:
Someone else pass the word to Ashraf.

"John: 
I guess you just gave Evil-Eye too much of a spanking by saying 
that."

Similar to the brutal response you gave the inane Waldo and UK 
Voices - I saw your outrage with his "twaddle" - where were 
you?  Likely snickering your camels ass off. Not only did you 
not scold or rebuke his commentary - you found humor in it.  If 
you couldnt tell my veracity and hate filled replies were in 
direct proportion and response to his then who's eyes are closed 
and who's arent?  Certainly you disagree with my approach to 
dealing with the Waldo's of this world - fine by me - your way 
is of no use either.

"I wonder if you would have reacted using these very words, 
had he said that about Christianity or Jesus" 

Guess that will never be a problem Ashraf ..... Jesus never 
spoke of the hideous atrocities your Mohammed did/does.  Jesus' 
approach was thru tolerance and peaceful methods were they not?  
I have not heard of in over a 100's years or so of armies 
gathering or rabid protesters marching or guerrillas taking 
hostages in the name of Jesus?  If there are - the chrsitians Im 
aware of, want those persons removed from the planet - not made 
into national heros.  However; millionso of Muslims rally around 
a sick bastard like Usama bin Lucifer [who alledges to work in 
Mohhameds name] and make him a multi national hero - see a 
difference?  Probably not.

Ive also noted your deafening silence about the evidence now 
coming to lite about Taliban and OBL.  I recall several of your 
posts demanding the evidence of his guilt, and upon your receipt 
of such information - you'd be on your roof top shouting ... 
something ..... and I recall a line about you personally cutting 
out his tongue for using the Qu'ran as his lightening rod to 
commit such atrocities. Seems as if perhaps you decided to mute 
yourself?

From: Ashraf
To: U.K. Citizen
Subject: ...
Date: Fri Nov 23 18:00:09 2001

Message:
LOL!! Cool bro.. cool.. ;)

Peace..

From: om/cf
To: EagleEye & Ashraf
Subject: movies & such
Date: Fri Nov 23 17:35:05 2001

Message:
Usama from Arabia? Osama and the 40 thieves? If osama was
clear of any guilt he would be shouting his innonce from the
highest mountain, not hiding in caves and in his couple of 
chances to have a say to the world would just started spouting 
the usual kill Americans, pooor us bullshit. Guilty in accordance
with the rules set forth by this Military Tribunal. BANG!!!!
NEXT!!!!!
 Ashraf I have read in the Jerusalem Post several times in the
past week of precise helicopter attacks on Palisinian terrorists
that were under survaillence for some time and surgically
removed from this world on roads in a reletivly safe manner. Now
this is of course from a obviously biased source in your eyes
and I do not know if this was case in the attack you mentioned
earlier.
 Something that has bothered me for the longest time, and in the
face of all things going on in the world this question may
seem insignificant, but why are Palistinian children always
seen in new clips of uprisings throwing rocks at Isreali
soldiers armed with tanks and automatic weapons. Where in the
hell are their parents or resposible adults when these kids
are in obvious danger. All I know is if there where enemy
soldiers walking around my area with automatic weapons I
would make damn well sure my kid was not out there throwing
rocks at them. I have seen this since the 70's on the news
from the middle east and have always wondered why I never see
an adult take charge of the kids and get them to safety.
 I know your not Palistinian but your closer to that mess
over there than anyone else on this board.
 From the WHATS UP WITH THAT files.

From: Justice USA
To: Alatti2 and friends on here
Subject: post thanksgiving
Date: Fri Nov 23 19:00:41 2001

Message:
Allatti2, blew my mind that you knew I had a heart of gold.  I 
get hurt a lot because of it. Know who else I think has a good 
heart?  EAGLE EYE.  I feel this is a very tender and good 
hearted man that is probably extremely loyal to people he cares 
about and has a strong sense of what is right or wrong.  You 
yourself Allatti2, seem to be a very warm and caring person.  
PATIENT too!   I really think Walter has issues with his parents 
particularly his Father.  The United States government could 
repreesent the "daddy"  he needs to rebel against.  Radio 
Europe, I love you too!  I had a bad thanksgiving for a number 
of reasons and had to throw someone out of the house that was 
disrespecting me but was obnoxious in my own home and partaking 
of my generousity while being a bitch, so out, out, out went the 
trash.  I had invited one of the dead victim's Moms from WTC to 
spend thanksgiving with me.  A neighbor I hardley knew, but 
wanted to give comfort too, but she had family in Jersey left to 
visit and appreciated my efforts.  Today, as I walked the 
beautiful streets of New York, I came upon the signs and photos 
of those killed depicted in the windows of their residences.  
The most upsetting story is about a 25 year old girl named 
Patricia ( I have also spoken with her mom) that found out at 
seven am on September 11th that she was pregnant.  She cried 
tears of happiness with her husband and he pressed her clothes 
for work only to call her husband two hours later and exclaim:  
OH MY GOD!  as she saw the plane through the building to take 
her life.  Seven AM that morning, the happiest girl in the 
world, TWO HOURS later. Dead with her unborn child murdered 
inside of her by these scumbags.  I watched the parade yesterday 
for a few minutes and saw the Betty Buckley singing AMERICA THE 
BEAUTIFUL.  I had to turn the tv off, for I felt physically sick 
from the grief.....Walter and all these people that laugh with 
glee and call these innocent people "PIGS"  should have the same 
fate awaiting them.  I could not wait for Thanksgiving to be 
over and Christmas will be awful as well.  Let us have a 
moment's silence for all of our brothers and sisters now.

From: Walter
To: All
Subject: I'm back
Date: Fri Nov 23 19:29:51 2001

Message:
Well I'm back dickheads.  Let the slandering begin.  
Thanksgiving is over and so is the "cease-fire".

From: Ashraf
To: om/cf
Subject: ...
Date: Fri Nov 23 18:43:01 2001

Message:
Thanx for ur post.

Stone throwing is symbolic, and sometimes effective. Symbolic in 
the sense that it shows others the undisputable difference in 
power between the Palestinians and the what they're up against, 
but still they fight back. And effective in the sense that I 
once saw a 12 year old, throw a stone 50 meters, straight into a 
Jeep, where a Jewish soldier was stting behind his machine gun, 
shooting Palestinians. The soldier ran out of his Jeep, face 
first into the ground. 

About adults not taking part.. they do, and their fate is no 
different from that of the youngsters.. Remember the video clip 
of the guy hiding behind a wall, came out to throw his stone, 
only to meet a bullet travelling at 8098809 kms per hour, which 
rppied his brains out of his skull. I didnt think so, but it 
happened.. he fell on his back, flat as an ox.. his brains were 
only 3 feet away.. I guess the jews should get more powerful 
guns from the US.. 3 feet is not good enough, I guess.. 

And about the parents who dont keep their little ones in.. they 
do. You have the video of the last father who tried to do that.. 
Mohammed Al-Durra's father..

There's nothing I pray for more than peace, in Palestine, the US 
and everywhere else, and I hope it happens soon. It wont happen 
by throwing stones. It possibly wont happen by shooting brains.. 
nor by sending missiles from choppers either.. I just sincerely 
pray it happens..

Peace..

From: om/cf
To: Walter
Date: Fri Nov 23 20:02:49 2001

Message:
Good to hear it! Congratulations on the escape. Did you tell
the good doctors the story of the planes and the buildings
and the LOL and the piggies? Please dont declare a " cease fire" 
with the medication this time around.

From: Walter
To: EagleBoy
Date: Fri Nov 23 20:24:29 2001

Message:
Nope,but I AM in your mothers panties,and boy,is she a skank!

From: EagleEye
To: Palastine watchers
Subject: It wont happen by......
Date: Fri Nov 23 20:21:13 2001

Message:
"There's nothing I pray for more than peace, in Palestine, the 
US 
and everywhere else, and I hope it happens soon. It wont happen 
by throwing stones. It possibly wont happen by shooting brains.. 
nor by sending missiles from choppers either.."

Nor will it happen with suicide bombers, nor will it happen with 
assisinations of political Isreali figures, nor will happen with 
car bombs, or sniper fire or as long as Arafat embraces 
terrorists within his camp. Nor will it happen if he cant 
control the peace for a mere 7 days ... 7 freakin days! Nor will 
it happen with Arabs settling for nothing less than total 
eradication of the jewish state .... regardless of where the 
border lines are drawn.

From: Walter
To: om/df
Date: Fri Nov 23 20:29:54 2001

Message:
Yes,I told the doctor ALL about it.I was sure he'd up my 
medication.Boy was I surprised!What he said was that Americans 
are basically scum,and that many deserve to be slaughtered like 
the useless pigs they are(LOL,LOL,LOL!!!).By the way,the CD's of 
9-11 are selling like hotcakes!

From: EagleEye
To: Waldo Pig Jigalo
Subject: Help .......
Date: Fri Nov 23 20:40:49 2001

Message:
"Nope,but I AM in your mothers panties,and boy,is she a skank!"

Help, I'm being attacked by an intellectual ........

From: Walter
To: EagleGrrl
Date: Fri Nov 23 20:49:11 2001

Message:
Waldo Pig Jigalo 
Help, I'm being attacked by an intellectual ........
 Who can't spell!! 

From: Walter
To:
Date: Fri Nov 23 20:52:42 2001

Message:
At least seven Palestinians were killed Friday in a spate of 
Mideast violence that included an Israeli helicopter attack on a 
taxi containing members of the militant Islamic group Hamas.

Watch out world,the Jews are declaring war on taxicabs!!!

From: om/cf
To: Ashraf
Date: Fri Nov 23 20:25:11 2001

Message:
Thanks for your take on that small part of the big picture.
Children are so innocent up till certain ages when they become
all they have heard and seen growing up. It happens all
around the world Im sure, you become the enviroment you are
raised in.
 Even though I dont agree with much of what you say posting
your cell no. took some balls, not from someone actually
looking for you but just the prank/nut calla you must have
recieved. Hell most probably thought it was the number of
a terrorist "cell" number! Good to be able to get insight
from another angle. Take care.

From: open mind/closed fist
To: Walter
Date: Fri Nov 23 20:58:23 2001

Message:
Well sorry to hear that wally, but the good doctors go
where the money is and it aint you. Better luck next time.

From: silent and caring
To: who ever
Date: Fri Nov 23 21:07:00 2001

Message:
I think it's great you want to help the kids over 
there.But I have one concern. Why not help cloth people here in 
the  U.S.A so many go hungry and have no home.Even our goverment 
is messed up.We need to help our own,and stop letting other 
people from other country's come here and take our jobs. They 
even start a war. They want to hide and kill people. There to 
coward to come to are doors. We go to there doors. I wish they 
would come to mine I have something for them. Fase to fase.Thats 
the best way.start helping the U.S.A it would make us strnger.

From: Spy
To: alatti2d // Ashraf // U.K.Citizen
Subject: "Whoa--did I say that out loud---?
Date: Fri Nov 23 21:31:13 2001

Message:
allatti2d----allow me ta start with you first. I would like to 
offer you an apology for the more ruthless side of me. I can  
be a fairly nice person. Mannerly and such. I would just like 
to say that I'm sorry but this is the only way I will allow you 
see me on this board. That said, I'm not sorry for the things 
I've said(for the most part--some things I went overboard on) 
nor in the matter they were said( okay--again--some 
possibly overboard).
When I first found this board, I was lookin' for a way to vent
my anger for 911. So I started cussin' away--especialy when 
those like Sunday Press and the likes posted their
shit(Waldo included).
I think it's neat you called Ashraf---(cell phone 'ey? ). I think 
it's neat that you look for common ground in which to hold a 
dialog. None the less (and not ta belittle you)--- would I call 
Ashraf ? No--not at this point in time. Would I call anyone on 
this board ? NO--not at this point in time.
Please don't take me wrong; these statments are only being 
made so you and others understand where I'm comin' from 
so to speak.
I didn't post on this board with the hopes of making friends 
(though I feel I've made friends, on somekind of level or 
another with some).[EagleEye, John, Justice, JusticeUSA, 
an Italian guy, U.K.Citizen , and yes,even Ashraf though I 
wouldn't quite call that friends as much as two people that 
could possibly talk to each other---sometimes.] And yes, 
there are others I failed to mention.Sorry.
But I can't at this time be a diplomat---I don't care WHY 
someone felt or feels the need ta kill 6000 Americans.
I only want to see them (enemy forces)destroryed before 
such acts happen again on our soil. Those people that 
died--I didn't know any one of them; YET I feel they were my 
brothers and sisters. The tears could come closer to home 
yet.
I felt the bullet "wizz" by my head that day. 
So allatti2d, I just wanted to explain and apologize to YOU, 
for my Mean Streak. Thanks
(This post is generally to all--but I wanted to apologize to 
you.)


Ashraf he he he....
You're next (big friendly smile on my face) --
History repeats itself for me again---out of all here--well as 
you even said--"the closest to---"; at least I feel we have had 
some conversations together. I wouldn't call it smokin' the 
peace pipe kinda thing but none the less--we talk(SORRY 
about the car pool remark--that was out of line).
But seriously Ashraf---here's something I've noticed twice.
And lord forgive if I copied&paste---(smile)----
You got mad that one time at the one guy(the "suit") and your 
response was fairly angery--okay.
I noticed a remark latter (eagleeye?) that seemed slightly 
like you wanted to "meet" him shall we say.
Please understand--I'm not bitchin' at you--but it really hits 
me now the major difference between christian doctrine and 
islamic doctrine.
If someone insults my Lord in my faith--I just tell 'em their 
arguement is with God--and not with me; and leave it at that.
I think I knew this before; but it seems I understand it more 
now.
It also probably helps having a seperation of state and 
religion so those that be, don't going around conducting 
deeds in the name of the lord.


U.K.Citizen --Hello-haven't been around the board much 
lately--just catching up a bit right now.
From what I've seen sir, you bring what I always thought and 
was the general British attitude towards such matters.
As I've said before, I've been exposed enough to the British 
--and tho political differs may occur--matters such as we are 
facing now seemed pretty uniform.
I'm glad your aboard sir---dignity kind of thing .

From: EagleEye
To: Waldo Pig Jigalo
Subject: So glad ......
Date: Fri Nov 23 22:04:54 2001

Message:
Your back ... the Mensa society has been in a panick since your 
cease fire ...... desperate for more material for the next big 
picnic.

I wonder if Sharon instructed the Helicopter pilot to take that 
bird directly to Vegas and put a few of the US Billion AID $$$ 
on RED?  Shit if I was pres. , seeing that guys luck ... I mean 
7 Hezzbolah in one CAB!  Shalom!  .... 7  ...come 11  - Jackpot 
baby!  

Waldo PJ ... why so suprised about Isreal's new war on taxis...? 
Palastinians declared war on cars, shopping malls, and Hotels - 
that in context, seems logical.

Curious .... does the Thorazine bring on the necrophilia or is 
that just part and parcel of the schizophrenia ....?  Since your 
sooo tight with the dr's and all.

From: EagleEye
To: SPY
Subject: no apologies needed dude .......
Date: Fri Nov 23 22:24:32 2001

Message:
Put it all in context SPY ......

ASk yourself, what kind of treatment and respect of your life 
would have been afforded to you as an expatriated American in 
the city of Karachi on 10/8/2001 - as compared to the rights and 
respect those of Yemen, Saudi Arabian, Lebonese, Afghani, 
Iranian and Middle Eastern decent in general on 9/12/2001 in ANY 
American city received.

Fuck these hypocrites.

From: EagleEye
To: UK Vomit aka Waldo Pig Jigalo
Subject: no denial of the connection .. Hrrrmmm....
Date: Fri Nov 23 22:30:55 2001

Message:
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2001530007-
2001543398,00.html

it just brings a warm feeling to ones heart.  Happy reading 
bacon breath.

From: EagleEye
To: Waldo Pig Jigalo Dune Shadow
Subject: your favorite source.
Date: Fri Nov 23 22:34:36 2001

Message:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,604123,00.html

Looks like I could run for office in UK eh Waldo Pig Jigalo/UK 
Vomit.

From: EagleEye
To:
Date: Fri Nov 23 23:25:22 2001

Message:
"There's nothing I pray for more than peace, in Palestine, the 
                                               US 
                and everywhere else, and I hope it happens soon. 
It wont happen 
                by throwing stones. It possibly wont happen by 
shooting brains.. 
                         nor by sending missiles from choppers 
either.."
 Because I believe in peace for peoples of all nations,creeds,and 
backgrounds,and if I can only win the swimsuiy competition,I 
think I'll be your next"Miss America"!!! Thank you,thank 
you,thank you.

From: EagleEye
To:
Date: Fri Nov 23 23:25:46 2001

Message:
Yeah I know......swimsuit

From: Walter
To: Eagle-bitch
Date: Fri Nov 23 23:52:18 2001

Message:
I didn't like what my doctor's were telling me about how good 
Americans were so I killed them and stole all of their 
medication.

From: EagleEye
To: Waldo necro schizo
Subject: niiiiice ........
Date: Fri Nov 23 23:54:37 2001

Message:
Hey look waldo's aborted abortion stole his computer and is 
impersonating his idol.

Even down to the spelling error ...... 

From: Slayer
To: Walter
Subject: WalterFag
Date: Sat Nov 24 00:07:37 2001

Message:
What's the matter Walter, lose your butt-plug again

From: Walter
To: Everyone
Subject: I'm Gay
Date: Sat Nov 24 00:08:58 2001

Message:
Yes, I, Walter, am a homosexual. Screw you slayer, I found my 
butt-plug. It was up my ass, wedged next to the bowling trophy

From: U.K.Citizen
To: 'Walter'
Date: Fri Nov 23 23:49:09 2001

Message:
You are a truly a disgrace to yourself. One who is so quick to 
disparage the nearest and dearest of others in the crude fashion 
you have just demonstrated, means you have little regard for 
your own nearest and dearest as you have just now disgraced them 
by your behavior. But you're a tough guy right?....you don't 
care about things like that.....so perhaps you'd care to invite 
your parents to view what you've just written. (..No....did'nt 
think you'd want to.)

You're a 'man' who deserves to be treated like a child, because 
you are acting like one. Only grown up's are welcome on this 
board 'Walter'. You don't seem to be able to convey your 
thoughts coherantly, except on a psychotherapists couch.

You're recent posts have put your earlier wishes to 'all', of "a 
very happy thanksgiving" into their proper perspective, that 
being of no value whatsoever, as you too, sadly, appear to be.

 


From: Hippocrites
To: The World
Subject: USA
Date: Sat Nov 24 00:19:53 2001

Message:
When will the Russians find out that the real reason we are 
there is that we are drilling their oil from Afghanistan.  Are 
they that stupid?

From: Hugh Jayness
To: Rod Gozintya
Subject: My Ass
Date: Sat Nov 24 00:21:48 2001

Message:
Stranded
Stranded on the toilet bowl
What do you do when your'e stranded
And you can't reach the toilet bowl
You must prove your'e a man and wipe it with your hand

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Ashraf
Subject: 'Walter'
Date: Sat Nov 24 00:21:30 2001

Message:
I invite you to pass comment on 'Walter's' posts. Are your 
comments still unchanged about him? I realise you are not 
responsible for his comments, I obviously accept that. Does your 
opinion of him still remain unchanged however?  

From: Walter
To:
Date: Sat Nov 24 00:35:11 2001

Message:
Most of these posts with my name on them were not written by me.

From: Walter
To: U.K.Citizen
Date: Sat Nov 24 00:38:12 2001

Message:
Only grown up's are welcome on this 
                    board 'Walter'. 
Stranded
                                   Stranded on the toilet bowl
                               What do you do when your'e 
stranded
                               And you can't reach the toilet 
bowl
                     You must prove your'e a man and wipe it with 
your hand

REALLY?

From: U.K.Citizen
To: 'Walter'
Date: Sat Nov 24 00:39:43 2001

Message:
In that case, of the last 6 posts excluding your last one, which 
specifically do you care to claim responsibility to?

From: Walter
To:
Date: Sat Nov 24 00:40:58 2001

Message:
Richard Lewis, a Rockford, Illinois, native, was in critical 
condition at Loyola University Medical Center after suffering 
burns over 40 percent of his body, said Sgt. Craig Wilt of the 
Cherry Valley Police Department. 

Two shoppers suffered second-degree burns to their hands, Wilt 
said. They were treated and released. Another 8 to 12 people were 
treated for smoke inhalation. 

Horrified shoppers at CherryVale Mall watched Lewis lean over a 
mezzanine railing, handcuff himself, and then burst into flames 
shouting, "Freedom!" The incident occurred around 8:20 a.m. (9:20 
a.m. EST), just over two hours after the mall opened on Friday, 
one of the busiest shopping days of the year. 

"When he started the fire, initially there was a pretty good ball 
of flames," Wilt said. "It appeared as if he was going to jump." 

Thousands of people were in the mall, which serves the Rockford 
community in northern Illinois, when the incident occurred, Wilt 
said. 

Shopper Neil Jansen heard shouting and looked up to see a man 
with one leg over the railing. "He went whoosh," Jansen said. 
"All you could see was flames   you couldn't see his face at all. 
He was burning up and you were kind of in disbelief that this was 
happening." 

Boy,you Americans sure know how to party---Walter

From: Walter
To: U.K.Citizen
Subject: Posts
Date: Sat Nov 24 00:56:11 2001

Message:
Since the 17 of Nov.,I've counted 14 posts attributed to me,that 
I had nothing to do with.Pick for yourself which ones you think 
were mine,you have already formed your opinion.

From: U.K.Citizen
To: 'Walter'
Date: Sat Nov 24 00:56:37 2001

Message:
If someone is repeatedly using your name, this situation would 
never have arisen in the first place if you hadn't mucked around 
with the board in the way did! You may well have to take the 
blame for all of them, unless you specifically refute them. 
Nobody minds differnces of opinion, but this is taking us all 
around in circles. What is the point?

From: EagleEye
To: Hugh Jayness
Subject: Rod loves Walter?
Date: Sat Nov 24 01:02:02 2001

Message:
Hey Hugh, are you hiding in waldo swine jigalos body?  What 
waldo .. is this personality #7 or 8 now.

From: Walter
To: U.K.Citizen
Subject: ..to be specific
Date: Sat Nov 24 01:05:35 2001

Message:
Well I'm back dickheads.  Let the slandering begin.  
                        Thanksgiving is over and so is the 
"cease-fire".
_____________________________________________________I didn't 
like what my doctor's were telling me about how good 
                     Americans were so I killed them and stole 
all of their 
                                           medication.
_____________________________________________________
Yes, I, Walter, am a homosexual. Screw you slayer, I found my 
                 butt-plug. It was up my ass, wedged next to the 
bowling trophy
_______________________________________
Nope,but I AM in your mothers panties,and boy,is she a skank!
________________________________________
I did not write any of these.This is just from today.

From: allatti2d
To: Spy
Date: Sat Nov 24 00:40:07 2001

Message:
Spy, I want to thank you for this, which you posted:

* * * * * * * * * *
>>>> When I first found this board, I was lookin' for a way to 
vent my anger for 911. So I started cussin' away--especialy when 
those like Sunday Press and the likes posted their shit (Waldo 
included) .... I didn't post on this board with the hopes of 
making friends (though I feel I've made friends, on somekind of 
level or another with some). <<<<
* * * * * * * * * *

Your explanation means a lot to me.  A previous, very 
intelligent and well thought-out post you'd made about a week 
ago or so gave me a lot of insight to your personality and 
character.  This last post you left confirms the idea I'd had 
about you then, and it also helped me understand not only you, 
but a lot of others here as well.

I'm a little different from you... I read and post here mostly 
to learn about everyone's perspectives and opinions, where 
people are coming from and how we are all dealing with these 
ongoing atrocities.  I am getting some comfort from some people 
while hoping to understand cultures and beliefs I have no 
experience with (including some American individuals!).  I did 
not come here to make friends, but it seems to happen anyway as 
I develop a better understanding and a better connection with 
people I've never met in my life (okay, with one exception -- I 
have met Snake~~Eyes in person!).  I read and post here always 
looking for an answer or a way to bring peace somehow in a small 
way if I'm able, through logic and reason.  

Maybe it's a chick thing to reach out and develop a bond of 
friendship with others more easily, I don't know.  But I totally 
understand where you're coming from and your need to vent 
without having political correctness being shoved down your 
throat, and this is a great place where you can be anonymous and 
say whatever the hell you want, even if it's not reflective of 
your real personality.

You don't need to apologize to me, dear Spy, because I respect 
you and understand you much better now.  You don't need to watch 
your language just because I'm female (I can dish it out too, 
and I grew up with vulgar guys!).  I think you're one of the 
good guys.  If there comes a time when you'd like to have a 
friend from this board, I'll be one.  Until then, carry on with 
your cussin' and fightin' and ventin' ways!

From: U.K.Citizen
To: 'Walter' & All
Date: Sat Nov 24 01:19:11 2001

Message:
I'm just going to stay out of this. I suggest we all try and 
focus on the important issues at hand, that's ALL I can suggest.

From: Walter
To:
Date: Sat Nov 24 01:21:43 2001

Message:
http://www.terrorismfiles.org/          ------------for you 
people that want information on all of the terrorist groups out 
there..........

From: Walter
To: U.K.Citizen
Date: Sat Nov 24 01:28:55 2001

Message:
I must strongly suggest that you keep posting on this board.I 
have seen many well thought out posts with your name attached to 
them.I'm not saying that I always agree,but they belong here.

From: allatti2d
To:
Date: Sat Nov 24 01:24:45 2001

Message:
Spy gave me a whole new perspective that I didn't think of 
before.  He came to this board to vent, and that was about it.  
It never ocurred to me that this would be the sole purpose of 
some people posting here, yet it makes perfect sense.

If I could pick a bunch of you to meet personally, to sit in a 
room with and talk about all the stuff that is discussed on this 
board, I'd want to see Spy there (Eagle might have to drag him 
into the room kicking and screaming, though!).  I'd also want 
many of the regulars there... U.K. Citizen, Justice USA, 
Exhausted Noah (I'll bring the coffee), EagleEye, Italian Guy, 
Ashraf (no, for the 10th time, I won't wear that hijab!!) :), 
most definitely Radio Europe and the E.S.D., Justice, and of 
course John.  I'd also want to meet Everyman, who doesn't post 
as often but usually has interesting things to say.  Maybe a few 
others, once they learn the secret handshake.

I like parties, and that would probably be the most interesting 
group I could think of to throw together.  Just to make it 
interesting for John and EagleEye, I could call a few Exotic 
Dancer friends of mine.  Justice USA could stoke up the barbecue 
and Ashraf could help Spy set up the poster of OBL for the game 
of darts.  Radio Europe would tend bar, being the most informed 
as to international interests.  The rest of us might want to 
have a rousing game of volleyball (in the pool, of course) 
before finally sitting down to figure out how to get rid of all 
the evil in the world (no extinguishing of an entire race or 
culture allowed).  Think it could work? :)

Honestly, I've come to really respect many of you, even some of 
you I might disagree with, and I'm glad I stuck around.

From: allatti2d
To: Walter
Subject: dialogue
Date: Sat Nov 24 01:55:33 2001

Message:
Walter, I can sometimes spot which posts are yours and which are 
forgeries, but only based on what I've gleaned from just a 
couple of your 'good' posts.  I've been a part of another 
message board for 3 years off and on, and one of the "rules" 
we'd established was NO IMPERSONATING ANOTHER POSTER.  The 
administrator of the board could identify IP numbers (it was a 
Discus Board program) and usually know if someone was being 
impersonated, and by whom.  We don't have that luxury here, nor 
do I think it would do much good for the type of forum this is.  
I think it sucks to be impersonated in a mean-spirited way (it 
has happened to me before).

HOWEVER...

U.K. Citizen brought up a good point.  You began your posting 
(as "Walter" anyway; I don't know if you posted under another 
name in the past) by making fun of people through expressing 
support of terrorism in America.  I eventually understood your 
explanation as using reverse psychology to try to make people 
look in the mirror at their own inflammatory statements.  That 
backfired into oblivion as people were justifiably pissed off 
when they believed you to be a supporter of terrorism and 
terrorist acts.  You didn't recover soon enough to allow people 
to recognize who you really are before one or more people 
started impersonating you.  So now no one knows for sure which 
is you and which is the impersonator.  This is really 
unfortunate, because now none of us might never know the real 
you, and if you had some good things to offer, we will never 
know for sure if we should take you seriously or not.

It's also unfortunate because for a moment I thought I could 
have a productive dialog with you.  You are obviously articulate 
and fairly intelligent, but that has been lost with the anger 
stirred up on the board.  I think nearly everyone on this planet 
has good things in them that would benefit others.  The only 
type of person I ignore is one who lies or misrepresents 
themselves consistently... like the vandals who leave their ugly 
mark from time to time on this board and don't stick around to 
back up their words, or people only wanting to cause mischief or 
hurt by throwing around a lot of crap they wouldn't want their 
own mothers to ever know about.

I don't know how this can be repaired.  I don't know if you even 
want it repaired.  It's a shame, though, because I have changed 
my mind about a few people here, and I thought you might be one 
of them eventually as I figured out who the 'real' you was.  
Beyond that, I don't know what else to say.

From: allatti2d
To: readers
Subject: apology for bad grammar
Date: Sat Nov 24 02:16:27 2001

Message:
>>> "none of us might never know the real you" <<<

My apologies for this awful grammar.  I'll excuse myself this 
time because I'm tired.  Next time I'll have to use the paddle.

From: EagleEye
To: allatti2d
Subject: Helping Hand
Date: Sat Nov 24 02:43:07 2001

Message:
"Next time I'll have to use the paddle."

Just want you to know that "if" you are ever in need of 
assistance to this matter - Ill be there to help you out :-)

Sure we all "got your back" on this one if you know what I mean.

Hehehehehe.

Hey the party sounds like a blast - with or without the dancers.



From: EagleEye
To: ALL
Subject: Correction .........
Date: Sat Nov 24 02:50:40 2001

Message:
In an earlier post to Waldo I referred to Hezbollah erroneously -
 I meant Hamas.  So many - they get confusing.

From: Walter
To: allatti2d
Subject: an almost easy solution
Date: Sat Nov 24 02:16:53 2001

Message:
First of all,I'm not trying(as many think),to redeem myself in 
anybody's eyes.The reason I explained myself to you was because 
Ashraf told me I was wrong to attack you,and I respect his 
opinion.I looked at some of your posts,and I felt that he was 
correct,and apologized.
 Since my uh...initial outburst(LOL!!),I've been reading some on 
American behaviour after the attack on Pearl Harbour,and the same 
basic attitude existed then;kill all the Japs.I still don't agree 
with that attitude,but I understand it a little better.
 There will be no more posts from me supporting the attack on the 
U.S.,since that isn't my real opinion anyway.The Taliban and bin 
Laden will be defeated,there is no question of that.Any post to 
the contrary with my name will not be from me.
 There will be posts from me which vary greatly from popular 
American opinion though,and I'm sure I'll piss off people with 
those posts also,but I'll be posting them anyway.
 Also,would you(or anyone that lives in NY) suggest the name of a 
New York relief fund for the victims of 9-11?I will not go into 
detail,but it has to do with the 2CD's I really did burn of the 
attacks.I would go into it more,but it would be upsetting to be 
attacked on that issue,so I won't.
                                     Take Care,
                                      Walter
                                         
 
 

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Ashraf
Subject: My prior post to you...
Date: Sat Nov 24 08:25:58 2001

Message:
Nevermind.

From: pat
To: allatti
Subject: real you
Date: Sat Nov 24 08:16:19 2001

Message:
it's all just words on a screen,  noone will ever know the real 
anyone just by reading words on the tube.  get a life

From: U.K.Citizen
To: pat
Date: Sat Nov 24 08:38:10 2001

Message:
Thank you, for the 2 seconds of my life you just wasted, which 
it took to read your meaningless post. Go away.

From: Spy
To: EagleEye
Subject: wallpaper
Date: Sat Nov 24 09:26:31 2001

Message:
Did you get this before(maybe you already had it). I posted
http://community.webshots.com/photo/20529040/22328651
EshNOxgZhI   ----
but didn't  post from.
Anyway---I thought it fit your style:-)

From: Spy
To: allatti2d
Subject: the party
Date: Sat Nov 24 09:58:20 2001

Message:
Use metal detectors at the door :-)

From: om/cf
To: Walter
Date: Sat Nov 24 09:11:50 2001

Message:
Walter you dont have to read up on Pearl Harbour to
understand the current ongoing attitude in America.
I believe you understand it perfectly. Whenever you
have been "attacked" on this board it seems to me you
always fight back and will wage "war" for a long time.
 Where did you find the peice on the human torch? I live
near this area and my daughter was actually harping on me
to go to the Mall yesterday morning. This nut case 
handcuffed himself to a railing, doused himself, lit himself
and was throwing objects on fire down where the kids
were waiting for Santa. Five people were hurt trying to help
Smokey the Bear. If they put on a show like that Im going
on Black Frday next year.
 As for the helo attack on Humas leader I look at it this way.
Isreal had tried to kill this guy 3 or 4 times already
and just missed. Hell, they tried to kill him while he was
jailed by the Palistians, blew the whole jail to shit.
I try to look at the bright side, he dont have to worry
to more. Humas no mas.

From: allatti2d
To: pat
Subject: awwwwww
Date: Sat Nov 24 10:05:29 2001

Message:
Thanks for caring, pat!  Getting a life is not very high on my 
list of priorities right now, since I have one already, and it's 
quite full, thanks.  Of course, you don't know that, because you 
don't know me at all.  But all that aside, I'll humor you for 
the moment.  I'd rather come here and yell and scream and think 
and have outbursts when there are things and people in the world 
that are evil and hateful and I don't understand, than to torch 
things or be violent or yell at my family or spend money in the 
3-D world to accomplish the same thing.  It's called creative 
expression, and it's therapeutic.  You should try it some time 
(oh wait, you already did).

No, the words here don't represent the totality of any 
individuals who post.  But it does give me a glimpse into the 
human heart, something that is very valuable to me.  The 
internet is unlike any other place on earth to talk safely under 
the blanket of anonymity to bare our souls.  There are parts of 
people I see here that I probably wouldn't see in 3-D.  I'm 
learning a great deal.  It's time well spent for me as I take a 
breather from my 'real life.'

Again, pat, thanks for caring.

From: om/cf
To: all
Date: Sat Nov 24 10:12:51 2001

Message:
Hamas not Humas makeame dumass?

From: allatti2d
To: partygoers
Subject: party
Date: Sat Nov 24 10:27:54 2001

Message:
Despite numerous requests, I regret to inform you that 
Spin The Bottle will NOT be on the list of games planned.   
Strip Poker is still under consideration.

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Allatti2d
Subject: The board.
Date: Sat Nov 24 09:14:34 2001

Message:
Allatti, I would in large degree, have to concurr with Spy. My 
main motivation was to try, simply as an individual, to express 
my feelings of solidarity with the American people. For me, 
using the internet was a direct way of doing that. In regards 
to 'superbrain pat' above, that person may wish to know that it 
is possible for one to know a person a lifetime, and STILL not 
know the real them.

I think in large part, even online, we can guage each other's 
general personalities and principles. In some ways the internet 
is better, because it is simply a 'meeting of minds' grouped 
together with the aim of discussing in writing, the thoughts 
that have some meaning to the person who writes them. Then in 
turn, another person from perhaps a different point of view 
comments on those words, and hey!,.you've got debate...a 
disscusion. The world, I know you'd agree, would be a boring 
place indeed if everyone thought exactly the same things, and 
had exactly the same opinions. I, by and large, am a supporter 
of the American point of view. I did not join this board with 
the intention of changing people's minds. The ONLY way one 
changes others people's is if they, in their own time, see the 
merit in ones opinions/arguments. Nobody on this board, can 
claim to have a monopoly on wisdom, and that of course includes 
me! In my view, people would be advised to write their comments 
with that thought in mind. A little bit of humility doesn't do 
any of us any harm.

I would agree that there is a kinship of sorts, otherwise we ALL 
wouldn't still be on this board. If, for some inexplicable 
reason the board seized to exist tommorrow, 'a little slice of 
heaven on the net', as EagleEye so eloquently put it would 
disappear forever. A cord would have been cut. That would be a 
shame. 

I can't believe I'm even writing this, but I suggest ONLY as an 
option we all agreed on a city airport, preferably East Coast! 
to meet at, at some future point in time. There, we each have a 
placard with our own internet 'handles' written on them, so as 
to recognise each other, and take things from there. Each person 
would nearer the time confirm or decline the wish to go. Each 
person would have to be taken at their word. I value my word, 
and would not make any promises unless I KNEW I could hold to 
such a promise. In that way too, we would all I suppose be 
defying the terrorists, living our lives as normal.  

At this time I personally am quite happy, with things the way 
they are. To drop in on the board from time to time, wondering 
what humourous gems I'd discover from EagleEye or the more 
contemplative thinking from Everyman. I'd hope to hear just as 
much from snake~~eyes and the Justice boys as I would from you, 
Noah, John and Spy. Those same sentiments apply of course to 
Radio Europe, theE.S.D., Holland/Italy, an Italian guy, 
Disgusted and Om/cf. I hope I've not missed anyone out! 
Apologies if so! Ashraf, in 'his own way' provides that vital 
difference of opinion that is required to stimulate debate, 
otherwise there'd be less to talk about.

Walter, I'm always prepared to have an open mind, and anything 
you have to add to this board that would help things along, so 
to speak, I'll listen to. I may not always agree with you, but 
let's see how things go.

Allatti, get back to me with your thoughts if you wish.

All the best.

U.K.Citizen.

From: Walter
To: om/cf
Date: Sat Nov 24 10:15:26 2001

Message:
I found the piece on the"human torch"on CNN.It was there for 
about 2 hours last evening.Yeah,I know it wasn't funny.I wouldn't 
want to take the kids to the mall and have them see that,and 
somehow try to explain it to them later.
 I also read the complete story of the taxi incident.They could 
have lived another day if they would have turned back,but they 
more or less chose their death by continuing.That's war.
 I understand the current attitude here in America,and I also 
realize if I had been around during that attack(Pearl Harbour),I 
would most probably would have been placed in a detention camp 
until the end of the war for saying the things I've said.

From: theE.S.D
To:
Subject: InTheNews
Date: Sat Nov 24 10:53:20 2001

Message:
Editorial:
On Wed Nov 21,we published our departure from this board 
based on two reports we received.On Fri Nov 23,we 
reviewed these two reports and found the second of the two 
to be false.It was the second report that led to our 
departure.With all the response we received regarding our 
departure;we have decided to continue activities on this 
board.
HOWEVER,theE.S.D.'s apology to those concerned still 
stands.The first report was
correct and we won't make that mistake again.       

=============================================
InTheNews:
=============================================

11/24/2001 : "Two Iranian delegations head for Baghdad" 


Baghdad will receive during the two coming days, two 
Iranian official delegations to discuss re-normalization of 
relations between the two countries and finding out 
appropriate solutions to matters that are still pending 
between the two sides since the end of their war in 1989

Meantime, an official source at the Iraqi ministry of transport 
said that an Iranian delegation will arrive in Baghdad shortly 
to discuss matters pertinent to the Iraqi planes kept by Iran, 
before and during the second Gulf war ( The Iraqi invasion 
of Kuwait.).

The source indicated that the talks will cover the return back 
of these plans to Iraq within the framework of recently 
signed agreement in order to revitalize relations between 
the two countries especially as these preliminary 
agreement included the railway track of Baghdad- 
al-Munzireyah- Tehran.

Moreover, an official source at the Iraqi foreign ministry said 
that a high ranking Iranian delegation will arrive in Baghdad 
very soon to discuss the question of the missing and 
prisoners so as to close this file ultimately.

The source stressed that this visit comes following the 
official discussions between the Iraqi and the Iranian sides 
in Tehran that lasted for 10 days, during which the final 
formula on the question on the Iraqi missing and prisoners.

Source:Iraq-Iran, Politics 



11/21/2001 : "Analysis: Bin Laden's Iraq Connection" 



WASHINGTON-- In the past week or so testimony linking 
Osama bin Laden's al Qaida and Saddam Hussein's Iraq 
has been brought to light.

Perhaps the most damning is the statement made by Czech 
Prime Minister, Milos Zeman, to the London newspaper the 
Observer that Czech intelligence service believed that 
Mohammad Atta, the apparent leader of the team that 
carried out the Sept. 11 attacks on New York and the 
Pentagon, had met the Muhammad al-Ani, a senior officer in 
Iraqi intelligence.

The meeting took place in Prague last April expressly to 
discuss a bombing, the newspaper said. The two were 
planning to blow up the Prague offices of Radio Free 
Europe/Radio Liberty. Two close associates of Atta also had 
contacts last spring with Iraqi intelligence officers.

Another defecting Iraqi intelligence officer, known as Abu 
Zeinab, described to The Observer a training camp for 
foreign terrorists at Salman Pak, near Baghdad, where 
instruction was given in hijacking aircraft using small 
knives. The Sept. 11 hijackers used box cutters.

The Observer quoted a U.S. intelligence officer as saying, in 
relation to Iraqi ties to Sept. 11: "You should think of this 
thing as a spectrum: with zero Iraqi involvement at one end 
and 100 percent Iraqi direction and control at the other. The 
scenario we now find most plausible is somewhere in the 
middle range -- significant Iraqi assistance and some 
involvement."

Secretary of State Colin Powell, once disinclined to see an 
Iraqi connection, seems to have adjusted that position. On 
Nov. 8, he said in Kuwait that after dealing with bin Laden 
and Afghanistan, "We will turn our attention to terrorism 
throughout the world, and nations such as Iraq."

Bin Laden, it seems, has already turned his attention to Iraq, 
not only for help, but to spread his violent Islamism in the 
Kurdish region there, apparently with the blessing of 
Saddam Hussein.

While Islamist groups, eager to establish rule by the Muslim 
holy law, sharia, have existed for the several years in 
Northern Iraq, their danger to the regional authorities has 
markedly increased this year.

In January a Christian Assyrian, Franso Hariri, a prominent 
and popular official of the Kurdistan Democratic Party that 
governs the northwestern part of Iraqi Kurdistan, was 
assassinated in Irbil, the regional capital.

Police in Irbil identified his killers were Islamists, seeking to 
weaken a government that separates politics from religion 
and espouses equality of treatment for non-Muslim 
minorities in Kurdistan. 

In September, Hariri's assassins turned up among 
members of the Jund al-Islam (Army of Islam) that seized 
two villages, Biyara and Tewila, near the important town of 
Halabja in the mountains that border Iran. They were 
identified as the culprits in the Hariri killing by the Patrioric 
Union of Kurdistan, which controls this southeasterly area 
and is a rival of the KDP. The PUK, too, runs a secular 
administration, tolerant of non-Muslims.

In the little domain they had seized the Jund imposed a 
harsh religious regime like the Taliban's. The display of 
photographs was forbidden as was the performance of 
music and praying at the shrine of a revered holy man. They 
ordered women to be covered in public from head to toe.

The Jund's spirituality may be judged by the following 
message it put out: "After the people realize the area needs 
protection and the preservation of Islam, we must make a 
tough and holy stand against the blasphemous secularist 
political, social and cultural institutions. They seek to 
conquer and exploit the Muslims of Kurdistan, thus the dirty 
Jews and Christians seek the destruction of Islam in 
Kurdistan.

"Those young men who are martyred at the hands of the 
infidels and enemies of Islam, shall be taken up to the 
gates of Heaven by two angels sent down by Allah, the Most 
Gracious, the Most Merciful, within ten minutes of their 
martyrdom and defense of Islam. 

While the bulk of the Jund, said to number some 600 armed 
followers, are Kurds, it also includes Arabs. According to 
Kurdish sources, some were recruited in the Iraqi cities of 
Mosul and Ramadi, but others are from Egypt and Syria. 
More significant, the Jund leadership contains "Afghan 
Arabs," devoted followers of bin Laden who arrived from 
Afghanistan. They reportedly brought $600,000 with them to 
get the Jund on its feet.

There have been intermittent clashes between the PUK and 
the Jund since September. The bloodiest incident so far 
occurred on Sept. 24, when, according to the PUK, 100 of its 
troops were killed in an ambush. 47 of the bodies were 
mutilated and over 20 were decapitated.

Since then the PUK has struck hard at the Jund and driven it 
from some of its positions. But it remains intact.

The Kurds, both in the PUK and KDP, regard the Jund as a 
fifth column sent by Saddam to destabilize the political 
system the Kurds have built up over the past decade in the 
"safe haven" set up for them by the United States. It was 
created after Saddam's brutal suppression of a Kurdish 
rising in the wake of the Gulf War.

A destabilized Kurdish region could also deny the United 
States what might otherwise be a valuable staging area 
should there be an American intervention in Iraq.

It is also in Saddam's interest to abet forces that weaken the 
Kurdish Regional Government so as to ease any eventual 
move he might to regain control of the region. Iran has also 
intervened in Iraqi Kurdistan on behalf of Islamist groups, 
positioning itself to influence whatever future developments 
in the area may be.

By Derk Kinnane Roelofsma


==============================================

From: allatti2d
To:
Date: Sat Nov 24 10:37:28 2001

Message:
Darn, I knew I forgot someone!  I'll have to put Holland/Italy 
in charge of something.  I'm sure I'll think of something good 
after my second cup of coffee.  Until then, suggestions would be 
appreciated.  I'm sorry I forgot to include you, Holland/Italy.

U.K. Citizen, I always enjoy your posts.  Your thoughts are 
often the centerpiece of level-headedness and strength that are 
much needed in uncertain times.  While I am very serious about 
wishing I could get the lot of you into a room to have a 3-D 
discussion about all this, I doubt that this particular group 
would have the desire or the deep connection that is necessary 
to actualize it.  It's fun to fantasize about it, though! :)  
This board is less about people making connections and more 
about people being expressive and supportive and venting as 
necessary.  There are some individuals here I might have the 
pleasure of meeting some day, but the party is 99% fantasy.  
But you already knew that.

Also, U.K. Citizen, there are some things you've said that I've 
really wanted to discuss more with you, but it's difficult in 
this format and with my time limitations on the internet.  I'm 
not sure how to go about continuing conversations with you that 
have been started without it all getting lost in the shuffle.  
Do you have any ideas?  You and I seem to be like-minded in a 
lot of ways (even though you spell some of your words funny!). :)

From: U.K.Citizen
To: theE.S.D.
Subject: Welcome back!
Date: Sat Nov 24 11:09:45 2001

Message:
I shall analyse your posts with the due consideration they 
deserve.

From: Noah
To: Allatti2d and others
Subject: you rock
Date: Sat Nov 24 10:03:04 2001

Message:
Wow, you are very outgoing! I had thought about calling 
Ashraf, but I'm terribly shy in person and stutter a lot. That's 
why I'd rather just keep on posting. It's much easier not to 
stutter when there is a backspace button. I am impressed 
though that you called - I respect Ashraf for being so willing 
to explain himself to strangers. I did not doubt that he had 
written his real number. I am also impressed with our Italian 
guy, who wrote down his address too. That's pretty wild. I 
guess if I were to post a number it would be a work number 
because I do not have a cell phone and my home number 
might get misused... Anyhow, I would go so far as to say I 
live in King of Prussia, PA. right near the big mall. 

I think it would be fun to meet a lot of the people from this 
board. Thanks again, UK Citizen for posting your age. I don't 
know why I was so curious. I guess I just wondered if there 
are any others here under 25. 

Silent and Caring - you made a very good point in that our 
government needs to do more to take care of our own 
hungry and starving people. I think it is time for me to take 
some blankets down to philly since it is starting to get really 
cold at night. I think America certainly has enough wealth to 
take care of ourselves and many other starving people if we 
chose to. However, we have the freedom to accumulate 
wealth and that's fine. I, personally, do not believe in 
amassing millions of dollars without giving most of it back 
to God (since it really belongs to him anyway) to be used by 
those who have not. Anyway, you made a good point. 

Walter- I am sorry that people have been misusing your 
name. It's nice to have a person to disagree with, I suppose. 
I think americans need to have this period of mourning 
before we are forced to correct all of our faults. It's just too 
much to do at once. Despite our shortcomings, there is no 
other country in which I would rather live. Was the 
medication thing posted by someone else, or do you really 
have psychological issues? I am kind of manic, but not on 
medication, so I can sort of relate to having "issues". 

EagleEye, I liked your posts to PRDKT. It seems that the 
more ignorant ther person is the better comedy in the verbal 
beating is. Thanks for your candor. 

Spy, I understand your need to vent. I too felt the same way 
(still feel that way sometimes). I love this country and its 
people too. As one who accepts Jesus as his Saviour, I 
suppose I will certainly meet you someday. I guess 
everyone needs to understand that Christians are not above 
indignation. I appreciate the humanity in everyone, even 
though humanity often leads to atrocities, because it lets us 
know that non of us are better than each other. 

Ashraf - finally, I am impressed by you for being so outgoing 
as to put your number and talk with strangers!! I have so 
many social hurdles to go over before I can do that. Anyhow, 
I am sorry that you have to live so close to that constant 
conflict in Israel and Palestine. There will be peace 
someday - both sides must relinquish a lot of pride before 
that day arrives. It will also take more ability to forgive each 
other than is humanly possible (which is why they must 
depend on God for that). I know that you worship the same 
God as I do, and I know that the message we have recieved 
is different, but I appreciate you as a human being and one 
who can give perspective to that part of the world. 

With Love...

I appreciate this forum for learning about people's minds. 

From: allatti2d
To: the E.S.D.
Date: Sat Nov 24 11:08:42 2001

Message:
Thank you for coming back and offering your knowledge once 
again.  I don't fully understand why you wanted to go away, but 
nevertheless I am glad you returned.  Thank you for posting the 
news reports.  It is a good reminder of the gravity and the 
volatility that exists in the world that I should continue to be 
aware of and never forget.

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Allatti2d
Subject: Cyberspace Vs Reality
Date: Sat Nov 24 11:19:41 2001

Message:
Thanks again for your kind comments Allatti, it's always 
appreciated. You're probably quite right of course about us ALL 
meeting in reality, nevertheless I wouldn't underestimate ANYONE 
on this board as to that regard. As regarding your last 
paragraph I at this stage don't see any other way around it. 
Displaying personal details such as telephone numbers sets a 
dangerous precedent, that of course being the alternative form 
of communication. If I've misunderstood please do correct me. 
Best we have try to just persevere on this format. If you have 
any side observations you wish make as an aside to the main 
topics that concern this board, I'll be most happy to reply in 
kind. That is, my own feelings on certain matters as it were.

My own mis-spelling combined with 'english' English, as opposed 
to 'american' English I write in, is a deadly combination indeed!

As always, the best to you. Look forward to hearing from you 
soon, as always, as we ALL do.

U.K.Citizen
  

From: allatti2d
To: U.K. Citizen et al.
Date: Sat Nov 24 11:57:15 2001

Message:
I actually thought of something.  I have an old email address 
that I rarely use that I could reinstate in a more or less 
protected way.  If you, U.K. Citizen (or anyone else here) would 
like to send me an email, I'll go out on a limb and post it 
here.  I think I can trust most of the people here.  It is 
allatti2d67@yahoo.com.

By the way -- Noah!  I don't know where King of Prussia is, but 
as a young child I lived in a small farm town in PA called 
Waynesboro.  It's in southern central PA, and I have nothing but 
fond memories of my childhood there.  I've been back to PA 
several times, and while the humidity gets to be too much for 
me, I think it's one of the most beautiful and historically 
interesting states in the country.

From: EagleEye
To: theESD
Subject: you WERE missed .......
Date: Sat Nov 24 12:06:18 2001

Message:
Glad your back.

Like Radio Europe - your signal to noise ration is extremely 
high.  Excellent to have you back.

Quite a complex paradox .......  on one hand you feel terrible 
for the Kurds as Saddam butchers and slaughters them, then they 
begin to be infiltrated by bin Lucifers vision of ISLAM, and 
they are just as bad.  Or you may choose to say they EMBRACE 
Towel e go Bam style ISLAM, which ever - either way its equally 
morbid.

How is ISLAM going to deal with this? Or do they condone this 
activity done in the name of their "peaceful" religion?  Where 
is the outrage towards this.  Its growth seems to be exploding 
across the globe [not Ashraf's ISLAM, but bin Lucifer's] - how 
can good Muslims stand by and let it spawn  - they, the "GOOD" 
Muslims seem shackled ..... pathetic words do nothing to stop it.

Pakistan .. Kurdistan .... Indonesia ..... USA

What say ye peaceful Muslims?

From: Father Guido
To: All Who Read
Subject: Look Beyond
Date: Sat Nov 24 13:46:51 2001

Message:
I have posted a few messages on several of these sites and no 
one seems to respond.....Is it because the truth hurts and I'm 
right on target with my assessments of those of you who don't 
have a clue????  Time is short, for the remainder of all lives, 
and instead of using your ignorance to mouth off expletives you 
don't understand (or you wouldn't use them), why not reach out 
to help those close at hand...Help those you can and in turn 
help yourselves....DON'T YOU GET IT YET????  Your time is almost 
up and what have you done to better the life you live, or the 
lives of those around you?  There is nothing you can do to 
resolve what is going on overseas...God will do what is 
necessary to resolve that issue but for you, my friends, LOOK 
BEYOND THE END OF YOUR NOSE, TAKE OFF THE BLINDERS AND REALLY 
LOOK AROUND YOU...NO I MEAN REALLY LOOK AROUND YOU!!!!!!!!!!  Do 
you see homeless, hungry, illeritate, un-clothed children and 
adults right here and across the country??? You get so wrapped 
up in what you have no control over and have big oppinions on 
what to do, use that strength and energy and put your heart 
where your mouth is.... FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND THE LOVE OF YOUR 
FELLOW MAN, GET OFF YOUR BUTTS AND GO TO WORK FOR THOSE AROUND 
YOU WHO REALLY NEED YOU AND YOUR HELP...IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT 
YOU SPEND MONEY (WHICH IS SO VERY PRECIOUS, IT CAN'T BE USED TO 
BUY YOUR WAY INTO HEAVEN) BUT RATHER SPEND YOURSELF!!!  YES YOU 
CAN SPEND YOURSELF, AS THAT IS WHAT YOU HAVE, THAT CAN'T BE 
TAKEN BUT CAN BE GIVEN AWAY....If you should happen to read this 
and agree, help one person and ask them to share the favor to 
another and ask for the same favor in return (that they do 
something for someone else).  You will find the rewards 
everlasting and worth every second spent in doing for others.  
You don't even have to believe in God to do this...It feels 
great inside and should there be a God for you in the end, it 
might just be the saving Grace that will allow you to spend your 
everlasting life in a place better than where you are headed for 
now...  Be good, be kind and let the politics work themselves 
out as they will...  If you should be caught up in the events at 
home, my heart goes out to you and your family...  Don't be 
engulfed by all that you read and hear about in another country, 
thousands of miles away, that you have no control over...do what 
you can in your own backyard and show the world what we can do 
together...  Once we have cured our own country, then we can 
focus outward to bring the rest along with our help.. It's not 
that we should stop doing what we have in the events of missions 
etc...but we really need to make our stand right here and quit 
with all the BS that seems to spew from these pages... I hope 
that I've at least reached a few of you who have no clue and 
will do the right thing for yourselves and others..."REACH OUT 
AND HELP SOMEONE"....DON'T MAKE GOD COME DOWN HERE YET, I HAVE 
ALOT MORE TO DO BEFORE MY TIME IS UP!!!!!!!!!GOD BLESS US ALL...
<><....<><....<><....<><>....F.G.+

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Allatti2d
Subject: E-mails
Date: Sat Nov 24 13:27:17 2001

Message:
It may surprise you know that I don't actually use e-mails 
myself, aside of course from this format. The internet never 
really interested me until after the attacks in September. I 
therefore can't e-mail you at this time....hmmmm...but I'll 
certainly look into it. I'll have to get back to you on this one.

From: EagleEye
To: Father Guido
Subject: specifics
Date: Sat Nov 24 13:50:07 2001

Message:
Maybe no has responded to you as you are so vague and general.  
The sheep need a map/shepherd ... whatever .......

Homeless ..... this issue has some of America's wealthiest, and 
greatest minds already upon it - how could I expect to have any 
significant impact?  Donating funds clothes food etc is all 
being and been done.  Better results for homelessness might be 
thru alchol and drug issues - not to mention jobs.

What specific ideas did you have in mind?

"Do you see homeless, hungry, illeritate, un-clothed children 
and adults right here and across the country???"

No not very often. But when I do, they usually want nothing to 
do with me as they despise me for the color of my skin and 
gender.

I cant begin to count the times Ive offered to buy a homeless 
guy on the corner begging for $$$ handouts, or lurking at the 
Carls Jr or liquor store .... breakfast at Denny's only to be 
told NO Thanks.  Or clients of mine in the construction industry 
offering to pay some of these guys $10 hr for them only to laff 
and say they make more than that sitting on their ass begging.

I look forward to more thoughts from you .. we got the 
overview / big picture - lets here the specifics.

From: U.K.Citizen
To: EagleEye
Subject: Just saying Hi!
Date: Sat Nov 24 14:27:37 2001

Message:

From: Spy
To: EagleEye
Date: Sat Nov 24 13:58:35 2001

Message:
In your post to the ESD you asked "How is ISLAM going to 
deal with this?"---and it got me a wonderin'---
How is it that these wicked fundamentalist seem to get over 
on the peacefuls and moderates.Poverty always seems to 
play a KEY role as far as I can see (at least with the 
immediate populous concerned). But it would seem more 
voices throughout the general area and the world would 
arise against such wicked ones.
oh well----maybe it just doesn't matter that much.

From: allatti2d
To: Everyone and F. Guido
Subject: Taking a break from housework...
Date: Sat Nov 24 14:57:34 2001

Message:
... and thought I'd check up here.  Had some thoughts while 
reading the latest.

First, regarding Islam... From what I've come to learn, there 
are as many offshoots of Islam than there are of Christianity.  
I am not a fan of the Pope, as I do not believe he is any more 
of a holy relic than I am.  However, many Catholics would argue 
that point with me, and I'm sure wars have been fought over that 
one as well.  I do not share the same beliefs as Mormons or 
Jehovah's Witnesses, even though they are branches of 
Christianity since some of the same beliefs are shared and there 
are good practices in each one.  I was raised Lutheran (next 
best thing to Catholic, I've always said, but without all the 
muss 'n fuss), but I don't agree with the entirety of the 
Lutheran doctrine(s).  And yet all these religious sects are 
under the same umbrella of "Christianity."

So who is right?  Which is the right God?  Which is the right 
faith?  I believe all of them are, and also that none of them 
are, if you can dig that.  One thing that many faiths share and 
even many offshoots of major religions do as well, is that peace 
is important, love and faith and compassion for humanity is 
important, and that we are all creations of God/Allah/Buddah or 
whatever name you want to ascribe to God.  In the history of 
each religion that I've encountered, evil rears its ugly head 
when a human assumes the qualities of God and thinks he/she has 
God's authority or knowledge or ability to judge as only God can.

In the Christian religion, Satan was once an angel and demonized 
himself when he figured he could be God, or just like God, or 
*a* god and rule over heaven just as easily as God.  Throughout 
history, anyone who has the balls to try to think of himself as 
a god has fallen and failed miserably.  There is example after 
example of t.v. evangelists and religious leaders whose heads 
got too big for the reality of being mortal, and what began as 
an earnest effort to glorify God ended up as a crash course in 
what happens when pride gets the better of a person.  
Unfortunately, some of the sheep who believe themselves to be 
people start to believe what these "leaders" believe, and end up 
taking the same crash course to hell on earth, believing the 
whole way that they've witnessed the next messiah (or the next 
Mohammed, or whomever).

Here on earth, living our lives and interacting with one 
another, God is in the background of our hearts and souls, 
allowing us free choice to live and believe as we wish.  He 
inspires us with emotion and checks us with conscience and 
performs blatant miracles every so often to remind us He's still 
there.  We can all agree that God is not human like us.  To 
some, God might not even exist, but that does not make them 
evil.  What we have to deal with on a day-to-day basis is each 
other, all humanity on earth in one way or another.  That 
deserves our immediate attention.  We have the entire afterlife 
to fight for our faith and our beliefs.  But here and now, we 
take care of the ones we love and the here and now and all of 
our Creator's children.  We give our God (or our non-God) all 
the glory by learning to love each other as He loves us, not by 
killing or hurting each other or hating or bombing or 
attacking.  I think God/Allah/Whoever -- the TRUE God, as 
opposed to the one we've created in our minds -- is very ashamed 
of those with evil and hate and murder in their hearts, and they 
will not have a place in heaven.

Take that to the bank and cash it.

Now, to Father Guido (whose dad are you, exactly?).  I agree 
with almost everything you said, and do my best to practice it 
daily.  However, this is a forum very separate from our regular 
lives, and a good place to come to vent frustrations or 
whatever.  Are you saying that by posting to this board, we are 
wasting time that we could otherwise spend giving or feeding or 
clothing the homeless or whatever?  If so, then what are you 
doing here and at the other message boards?  That is being 
hypocritical, sir, and it's time to remove the mote from thine 
eye.  Is it your job to preach?  I contend that more can be 
accomplished by leading through example rather than simply by 
talking about it.

Thanks anyway for the reminder; I'm sure many of us will keep 
that in mind after we turn off our computers.

From: PRDKT
To: All
Subject: languagebarrier
Date: Sat Nov 24 15:33:47 2001

Message:
Gotta get out of this Babylon.
Everybody is fightig eachother with words,bombs and bullets.
Countries against countries,religions against religions,ism 
against ism,people against people.
Terrible things we do to eachother.It seems that sins Kain and 
Abel we are doomed to kill our brothers.
Stones or hyper modern bombs,dead is dead,nothing's changed.

From: open mind/closed fist
To: Father Guido
Subject: no clue
Date: Sat Nov 24 15:24:09 2001

Message:
I assume you are talking about the U.S. when you say "across
the country". Well let me witness to ya brother.
 For 5 years we lived in a rented house next door to a 
"rooming house" full of, for all intent homeless. Most
were collecting Social Security Disability checks for being
drunks and dopers, unable to work but perfectly capable of
lugging a case of beer, on foot, 6 blocks from the liquor store.
In the summer you could hear them, late into the night planning
which churches and soup kitchens were having the best meals
the next day, where the best church and pantry giveaways were
the next day, where the most productive spots for solicitation
were. All the while having their small rent paid with township
(property tax) money and collecting $800/month and a $1500
circut breaker check at the end of the year.
 Of course there are honest people that truly need help and I
will do what I can without taking from my own family, be it
time or money. Clueless I am not! Living a downtown area of a
middle sized city I have a very good clue on whos playing who.
 And dont threaten God coming down to end the earth if you
dont step in line with what I say. That doesnt do anything to
streghthen your position on any issue.
 Also if I want to post on current world affairs, which unless
Im mistaken is what has been going on here, I sure as hell
will do it reguardless of what you think this board should be.
 "Let the politics work themselves out as they will"? Where
would this country be today if we just let the President,
Congress or even the local school board just, do as they may,
without public opinion. I have to stop now I am shuddering badly!

From: EagleEye
To: Allati2d / Father Guido 2
Subject: Homeland issues and Christian sects
Date: Sat Nov 24 15:56:16 2001

Message:
Father Guido:

Yes sir we have our set of issues on our own turf to deal to be 
sure - however; at the moment, un-educated, undernourished and 
illiterate Latinos, African americans, trailer trash honkies, 
and crack / cocaine addicted wall street white dudes et al .... 
aren't nabbing 767's full of people and flying them into 
American Buildings or PA countryside.

Allati2d:

Similar reply as to my reply to Father Guido...... its been 
hundreds, several hundred years since anyone [in the magnitude 
of what we're seeing with these Islamic sects] running around 
killing everything in sight in the name of Jesus, the Pope.  
Last I checked this 2001 not 1215 AD - the crusades were quite 
some time ago.  And when Christians, Catholics, Protestants 
instigate heinous atrocities they are punished - not idolized 
withing their respective communities.

From: allatti2d
To: EagleEye
Date: Sat Nov 24 17:33:34 2001

Message:
EagleEye, I fully agree with you.  I'm not sure what my point 
was in writing all that I did, other than to toss up my own 
observations.  I just wish that more people would understand 
that it is more important to make life good here on earth than 
to blow people up based on the words of a MAN rather than GOD.  
This doesn't just go for the crazy terrorists who may or may not 
be doing what they do in the name of their god or their 
religion, but for everyone who would cause harm or terror to 
another human being for any reason.  It sends everyone back to 
the dark age when ignorance ruled the earth, rather than 
progressing toward something better for everyone.

From: Ashraf
To: Om/cf, Noah, Spy, U.K. Citizen/Walter, Allatti2d & John..
Subject: ...
Date: Sat Nov 24 16:07:28 2001

Message:
Thanx for your posts, all of you..

om/cf:
You're most welcome, and thanx to you too..

Noah:
Thanx for having that much trust in me, about posting my real 
number. I have nothing to hide, and therefore, nothing to fear..
And about your stuttering, you would have discovered something 
really funny had you called, which is that once I talk to a 
person who stutters, I start stuttering too..  We would have 
both burst out laughing.. so you are definetly welcome to call..

U.K. Citizen/ Walter:
Take it easy dude..I haven't switched on my pc ever since I made 
my last post, 2 days back. And about your question regarding 
Walter.. I have a very different opinion that many of you you 
would possibly disagree to.. I believe that had the US Govt 
asked for volunteers to go over to Afghanistan, Walter would out-
run many people on this board, to get to the front lines.. 
Walter, if I am wrong, please correct me..

Spy:
No hard feelings bro.. I wish to thank you again for the 
addresses you'd provided earlier.. I did my part, but some 
people didnt do their, as I thought they would, which was quite 
a surprise for me..
Regarding my reaction to the insults directed at Prophet 
Mohammed, may peace and prayers be upon him and Jesus, on the 
other board, what you should have realised is that I had used my 
real name. Had I intended to hide my identity, it wouldnt have 
been a problem, which evidently proves that my reaction to these 
insults was to reamin unchanged, whether these insults were made 
on this board, or another.. I have no problems with someone 
having disagreements to Islamic, Christianic.. beliefs, but by 
all means, it should never reach the state of cursing a God, nor 
a Prophet, regardless of the extent of such disagreement.. ANY 
topic can be discussed, provided such discussion is carried out 
in a respectful manner.. The person who'd posted those words was 
not respectful, not of himself, nor others.. As a matter of 
fact, that's possibly my only disagreement with Eagle-Eye.. You 
where the first on this board, who I almost made a friendship 
with.. but its never too late.. ;)

Allatti2d:
The party sounds like fun!! Thanx for the invitation.. One more 
thing.. Earlier, I'd posted something to you and to John about 
Eagle-Eye's statements.. John replied, and I'm waiting for 
yours.. ;) After we're done with your party, I'll take you all 
out for a Desert Safari in Dubai, and I'll get the belly-dancers 
this time..!! Oh.. and thanx for the email.. I ve emailed you 
back..

John:
Where are you dude..? Long time no see, no read, no hear.. 
What's up with that..

Peace..

From: The beginning of the end for the Constitution?
To: The beginning of the end for the Constitution?
Subject: The beginning of the end for the Constitution?
Date: Sat Nov 24 18:56:03 2001

Message:
21 November 2001
The beginning of the end for the Constitution?
Jesse Berney
President Bush has begun a fascinating new strategy in the war 
on terrorism. He has wisely pointed out that we were attacked on 
September 11 because the terrorists "hate freedom." Can there be 
any questioning this insight? Surely Osama bin Laden is sitting 
in a cave somewhere, fuming over the freedoms Americans enjoy. 
It's not about our troops in Saudi Arabia. He doesn't really 
care about our support of Israel. As long as we're free, Osama 
bin Laden and his Al Qaeda organization won't stop their attacks.

So in a brilliant tactical move, President Bush has started to 
take away our freedoms.

Think about it. With all our freedoms gone, the terrorists will 
have no reason to hate us any more. They'll pack up their 
Kalashnikovs and flight-training manuals, move out of their 
caves, and become productive members of society again. This 
strategy of the Bush administration is a masterstroke, one that 
will ensure the safety of Americans for years to come. Once 
again we'll be able to fly free from fear (except to worry about 
the occasional tail fin falling off).

Because of the September 11 attacks, Bush is enjoying 
unprecedented levels of popularity. Americans, convinced it is 
their patriotic duty to "stand behind the president," have made 
it difficult for elected officials to oppose any of his 
policies. This has upset the delicate balance among our 
government's branches, and Bush has taken advantage of the 
situation to extend his power as the nation's chief executive 
into realms normally occupied by the Congress and the courts. 
Here are just a few examples.

Overturning the Presidential Records Act of 1978
In the wake of Watergate, one thing was perfectly clear: a 
president who does not believe he will be held accountable for 
is actions is a dangerous creature. Richard Nixon believed he 
was ultimately beyond the reach of the law, so he broke it.

So in 1978, Congress passed the Presidential Records Act. It 
dictated that 12 years after a president left office, all his 
papers not immediately relevant to national security would be 
available to the public. Ronald Reagan was the first president 
to fall under the purview of the Act, and his papers were slated 
for release this year.

But President Bush's father, along with many Bush cronies, 
served in the Reagan administration. Reagan and the elder Bush 
have largely avoided historical judgement for the scandals that 
should have plagued their presidencies as well as their 
legacies. The Iran-Contra affair, the BCCI scandal, the Savings 
& Loan debacles: all of these should have resulted in public 
humiliations for the two presidents, but they actually suffered 
few consequences. Reagan is actually hailed in conservative 
circles as the greatest president of the 20th century. And many 
Reagan and George H.W. Bush officials now serve in the current 
Bush administration.

This means that anything revealed in Reagan's papers could 
potentially destroy his legacy, embarrass conservatives, and end 
the careers of several members of the Bush administration.

So it was hardly surprising that Bush wrote an executive order 
overturning the Presidential Records Act. His order made it 
possible for the current president, the ex-president whose 
papers are under consideration, or that president's family in 
case of his death to block the release of his papers. Basically 
it means that presidents no longer need to fear exposure for 
their immoral deeds; they and their families can block it for 
all time.

What does this mean for the Constitution? Executive orders are 
supposed to be a mechanism by which the president directs 
federal agencies to carry out his wishes. In the absence of a 
law, they serve to dictate the policy of the federal government. 
However, they cannot replace a law, as passing legislation is 
solely in the hands of Congress. In effect, President Bush is 
trying to "veto" a law passed more than 20 years ago; clearly 
this is unconstitutional.

Bush had delayed the release of the Reagan records several times 
before signing this executive order. But with his popularity 
skyrocketing after the September 11 attacks, he was able to get 
away with an unconstitutional act that protects Reagan, his 
father, and himself from the consequences of any unsavory covert 
actions.

Eliminating the right of attorney-client privilege for 1,000 
detainees suspected of ties to terrorism
Not long after the attacks, the Bush administration rounded up 
and detained more than 1,000 people suspected of ties to the 
terrorists. This is good news; finding the people responsible 
for the attacks (the people still living, anyway) and preventing 
future attacks are and should be high priorities for the Justice 
Department.

But then Attorney General John Ashcroft made an announcement 
that the government would be monitoring calls between the 
detainees and their lawyers.

The courts have stated clearly that attorney-client privilege is 
sacrosanct. The Sixth Amendment states that any one accused of a 
crime shall "have the assistance of counsel for his defense," 
and it's obvious that anyone who can't speak freely to his 
lawyer might as well not have a lawyer at all. Any time the 
government listens in on a conversation between a lawyer and his 
client, it has violated the Sixth Amendment. Not only is it 
wrong for the Justice Department to monitor those conversations, 
but it runs the risk of actual terrorists being set free because 
their civil liberties were violated.

Some argue that terrorists should not enjoy the same rights as 
we do, but these people miss the point. The rights in the 
Constitution exist because we don't know whether the people held 
right now are terrorists.

If you say that suspected terrorists shouldn't have rights, you 
can make the same argument about suspected murderers. Eventually 
you'll make it about suspected criminals, and before long 
suspected dissidents shouldn't have the rights of patriotic 
citizens. The Bush administration's attack on the Sixth 
Amendment--no matter who its target--should put fear into us 
all. It's an attack on our very freedom, the heart of what makes 
us American.

Using military tribunals to try terrorists captured abroad
It's hard to say whether we'll ever catch Osama bin Laden. 
Afghanistan is a big country with a lot of hiding places. He has 
sympathizers all over the world who would consider it an honor 
to protect him from justice. But we may catch him and his 
associates soon, and if we do, the Bush administration doesn't 
want to give them a public trial.

Instead, the president has proposed trying them with a military 
tribunal. This improvised court can be organized anywhere, even 
on a ship at sea. Judgements would require only a two-thirds 
majority of a tribunal and would not be subject to appellate 
review. Sentences--including death--could be carried out 
immediately. Perhaps most shockingly, Defense Secretary Donald 
Rumsfeld would set the burden of proof for these trials. While 
the accepted burden in the American justice system is guilt 
beyond a reasonable doubt, Rumsfeld, who has no legal training, 
could conceivably require a tribunal to have nothing more than 
a "strong suspicion" that someone is guilty of terrorism to 
return a guilty verdict.

There's no reason not to bring suspected terrorists back to the 
United States and try them in a court of law. (The 
administration's stated reason, that they fear for the safety of 
jurors, is absurd. Millions of Americans would be willing to 
risk their lives for the cause of bringing the terrorists to 
justice.) We have tried terrorists in our court system before, 
and we could do it again.

And of course, the proposal is a direct attack on the 
Constitution. Trying and sentencing criminals is the job of the 
judicial system, and ours is the best in the world. Nothing in 
the Constitution gives President Bush the right to extend the 
powers of the executive branch in this manner.

Whether or not Osama bin Laden "deserves" a fair trial is 
irrelevant. Fair trials are our mechanism for doling out justice 
in this country, and it's offensive to the Constitution for Bush 
to assign himself that responsibility.



-----------------------------------------------------------------
---------------

The Constitution has survived attacks before. The Alien and 
Sedition Acts. Abraham Lincoln's suspension of habeus corpus. 
Our internment of Japanese-Americans during World War II. These 
were all crimes committed by our government, and history has 
judged them all as wrong.

Chances are, the Bush administration's attacks on our freedoms 
will suffer the same fate. Right now, Bush can get away with 
anything, so he's trying to get away with everything. But his 
unconstitutional infringements on our rights probably won't 
last, and history will likely judge them, too, as wrong.

But Americans are all too eager to give up their rights in the 
wake of the September 11 attacks. Extraordinary times call for 
extraordinary measures, they say, and public safety should be 
our top priority.

But public safety shouldn't be our top priority. America is the 
supposed to be the land of the free and the home of the brave, 
and giving up our rights because of fear is inherently un-
American. Patrick Henry said, "Give me liberty, or give me 
death." He knew that a country not willing to fight for its 
freedom was not one worth living in.

It isn't the terrorists we should fear. It's our own government, 
led by a president who sees a bump in the polls as an 
opportunity to expand his powers to unprecedented levels, 
Constitution be damned. Now is the time when all Americans 
should be especially vigilant. Our freedom is at risk, and we 
mustn't give it up simply because we live in fear of madmen who 
wish us dead.

Give me liberty, or give me death. Anything less is unpatriotic.

From: WINGS OF DEATH
To: Ashraf
Date: Sat Nov 24 18:49:53 2001

Message:
Ashraf:

Before 9-11-01 Osama could rape pigs and sheep for all I cared. 
After 9-11-01 I don't even want the bastard breathing let alone 
enjoying himself. You mention respect. Did we get any respect on 
9-11-01? Today is payback time. If you support the bastards who 
did this you can get fucked all the way to hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

From: Ashraf
To: WINGS OF DEATH
Subject: ...
Date: Sat Nov 24 19:09:43 2001

Message:
Ofcourse I dont, and I'd have him hanged by his ----- for this, 
but when I said respect, I meant that not for the mere fact that 
he is a Muslim, should Islam take the toll for this, nor Allah, 
nor Mohammed, may peace be upon him.. Let ur wings speard out, 
and get him from the darkest cave, in the furthest lands..

Peace..

From: Darth Bush
To: IS BUSH EVIL?
Subject: EVIL IS GOOD
Date: Sat Nov 24 20:01:04 2001

Message:
Just in case you are having trouble keeping track of
how many civil rights you are loosing:

Read This:

http://www.wage-slave.org/scorecard.html

http://www.wage-slave.org/scorecard2.html

Note:
I am not saying we should criticize Lord Bush
for being evil.
If he has chosen to be a Dark Lord, then,
by all means, go for it.
Be the best Dark Lord America has ever had!

Should someone feel shame for being a servant to Lord Lucifer?
No Certainly not! 

So  Star Wars needs a Darth Vader,
and  United States needs a Darth Bush.

At least he doesn't need to have a scary black mask!!!
his destruction of government records,
his media and government gag orders of silence,
his wire tapping schemes and detaining people without notice
is scary enough!

Satan has the power to kill and destroy, 
it is the power that was assigned to him.
Bush will kill and destroy, as is the power he has taken,
since he was selected to be the resident
of the White-Man's House.

And freedom of religion, at least for now, is maintained in the 
U.S.A.

EVIL IS GOOD!

NOTE:

YOU are Not in a clearly marked First Amendment Zone!

YOU are Not authorized to criticize Lord Bush!



PEOPLE!



WAKE THE #$%& UP!




Uhm, would someone please tell me where to buy my 
Republic Nationalist Socialist Party ARM BANDS?!


REMEMBER:
Rights are for PARTY MEMBERS ONLY.

Sign up in the Republican Party today,
or are you one of THEM !?!


From: Father Guido
To: Eagle Eye / allatti2d & open minded/closed fist
Subject: Quick reply, on my way out helping others
Date: Sat Nov 24 19:43:59 2001

Message:
To Eagle Eye:
No offense to you but there will always be those who will take 
advantage of any handout that comes there way..I've run into 
them myself but it doesn't stop me from offering to those who I 
feel really need the help.  As for your comments on my 
VAGUENESS; "people are like sheep and need a map/shepherd"... I 
see that and I see you've never picked up "THE GOOD BOOK".. It 
is all about the "LIVING SHEPHERD". I am Vague enough to get you 
to ask questions and look at your (other's) lifestyles.  I don't 
want to change you or anyone else in this world...I WANT THEM TO 
CHANGE THEMSELVES....<><....

allatti2d;
Who's Father am I....You don't know, do you???  
As for my being "HYPROCRITICAL"....How can you state that, when 
you now not who I am or what I've done with my time here on 
Earth with the time alloted to me???  I'm sure you've heard the 
expression at some point in time..."WALK A MILE IN MY SHOES"???
Try it by looking through the eyes of someone who can't help 
themselves...not the jerkoff's who scam and cheat and steal when 
they themselves are able bodied people who would rather stick 
there hand out and play the system for all it's worth...They my 
friend, are one of the DAMNED and they will inherit the Earth. 
The way things are going, they can have it....<><...

And finally to open minded/closed fist;
You my friend seem to still have issues from past getto 
experiences...Yes as stated previously, there are always those 
who will play out the freebies to the bitter end...I feel as 
though you have removed yourself from that past but yet you hang 
onto it...put it behind you and move forward...in doing so you 
might not find yourself shaking...find another that is where you 
were and help them to where you are at now...I'm PRAYING for all 
of you readers, that you may find your own inner peace...<><...
Thank you for reading and your responses...<><...F.G.+

From: allatti2d
To: Ashraf
Date: Sat Nov 24 19:20:29 2001

Message:
Ashraf, I'm not quite sure which question of yours you were 
referring to, though when I scanned this week's page, I saw 
something you might have been talking about... do you mean your 
question about some people coming down hard on those who are... 
oh shoot, let me just go and copy and paste what you said.

* * * * *
>>> I wanna ask you something though.. How come if Islam is 
attacked and abused in the ugliest and most ignorant methods, 
like that of Evil-Eye, none of you utter a word in response, 
almost like that insult is my responsibility alone to face.. 
Whereas you say that you respect all religions equally.. Is it 
that because it has been criticised by someone you favour, like 
what the US does with Israel, or is it that you agree to what is 
being said, but refuse to say it yourself..? John, Allatti2d 
please.. <<<
* * * * *

My memory is not all that great, but I would hope I haven't kept 
silent this whole time when any group of people (including 
Islam) is attacked.  I try to be vocal when I see injustices 
occurring.

I didn't post for a few days after I first came to this site, 
because I wanted to get a feeling for some of the people here to 
see whether it would be a waste of my time or not.  Some message 
boards are almost exclusively made of random posters who stop 
and say what they want and then never come back, and those 
places aren't where I'd like to spend my time.  Some are just a 
bunch of idiots who don't know wtf they're talking about most of 
the time, but just want to sit around and bitch to each other.  
I wouldn't have posted if it were a place like that, either.  I 
did see a handful of people posting here regularly who seemed to 
have some good, valid points, and who seemed intelligent and 
articulate, even if I didn't always agree with them.  I did not 
enter this place disrespectfully trashing everyone I didn't like 
or agree with, because my mom raised me better than that.

When some moron comes on this board, vandalizes it, and then 
disappears, I usually try to ignore it.  When someone keeps 
coming back, I try to pick my fights carefully and reasonably, 
hoping to try to understand where they are coming from before 
just jumping on their case.  I understand that many people here 
are very angry about the 9/11 attacks, and their lives are 
changed forever because of that.  I try to be sensitive to the 
emotions of those still struggling, and allow them to express 
bitterness and anger (as in the case of Justice USA and Spy) 
even if I am occasionally shocked at what they are saying.

EagleEye is a special case in my mind. :)  He is intelligent and 
passionate and has a good heart.  Some of the things he has said 
have shocked and appalled me, some of the things he has said I 
have found genuinely funny (often in a sick kind of way), and 
some of what he says I agree with completely.  I think we would 
greatly disagree on our personal politics and how we would each 
handle things if either of us were a leader in this situation 
(besides the fact that he's a man and I'm a woman, I mean).  
It's almost the same with John, though he's less blunt than 
EagleEye, I think; but John and I are at close to opposite ends 
of the political spectrum, and for me to sit here and debate 
either of them about politics or abortion or tree-huggers or 
anything of that nature would be totally pointless in this forum.

I don't debate with EagleEye and John for a couple of reasons.  
First, and besides what I've already said, they seem to be much 
more up on current events than I am, and I would feel pretty 
ignorant and embarrassed to counter some of the things they 
present.  Second, we are basically coming from the same place, 
where we as Americans are appalled and furious with the 
terrorists who committed these atrocities.  I hate the ugly 
things that have happened in other countries as well, but I try 
very hard to restrict myself to these particular acts, because 
they are the reason for this board's existence.

Since I've been around here for a little while now and feel a 
little more comfortable posting and speaking my mind, though, 
I'll try to administer spankings a little more often.  Somehow I 
doubt EagleEye would mind that too much, but I'll give it my 
best shot. :)

One more thing... one thing I've noticed about EagleEye in 
particular, though also with John and a few others here, is that 
he is not so arrogant as to not admit if or when he is wrong, 
and to apologize when he's overstepped the bounds and has gone 
too far (like including all Muslims with those he's angry at).  
I hope you have noticed this too, Ashraf.  I have seen him back 
up and redirect several times, which has earned him my respect, 
if no one else's.

Does this help you at all to understand me?

From: EagleEye
To: Ashraf and followers
Subject: Jews got it too .......
Date: Sat Nov 24 20:22:13 2001

Message:
http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2001/11/23/News/News.38640.html

"During the first month following the attack, they said, were 
placed in solitary confinement, before anyone interrogated them. 
They said that they were deliberately kept with Arab and Moslem 
prisoners, who beat them badly, and that they were deprived of 
food and basic sleeping and toilet conditions."

Talk about "sissy".  They too should be thankful they werent 
deported to Palastine!  I wonder now if people will get the 
message .......  Dont over stay your VISA.

From: Walter
To:
Date: Sat Nov 24 20:30:31 2001

Message:
Eagle Eye:I cant begin to count the times Ive offered to buy a 
homeless 
                 guy on the corner begging for $$$ handouts, or 
lurking at the 
                 Carls Jr or liquor store .... breakfast at 
Denny's only to be 
                told NO Thanks.  Or clients of mine in the 
construction industry 
                offering to pay some of these guys $10 hr for 
them only to laff 
                 and say they make more than that sitting on 
their ass begging.----------Right on the fucking money....some of 
these guys are homeless because they just don't give a shit,and 
no government program or anything else will MAKE them care.

OM/CF:For 5 years we lived in a rented house next door to a 
                     "rooming house" full of, for all intent 
homeless. Most
                   were collecting Social Security Disability 
checks for being
                   drunks and dopers, unable to work but 
perfectly capable of
                lugging a case of beer, on foot, 6 blocks from 
the liquor store.
                 In the summer you could hear them, late into the 
night planning
                   which churches and soup kitchens were having 
the best meals
                  the next day, where the best church and pantry 
giveaways were
                 the next day, where the most productive spots 
for solicitation
                 were. All the while having their small rent paid 
with township
                   (property tax) money and collecting $800/month 
and a $1500
                          circut breaker check at the end of the 
year.-----------------I've seen the same damn things,and people 
say,"There will always be people who abuse the system".Yeah,there 
will,and here's what sounds like a"new"idea;How about if we start 
punishing the abusers?I've had to wait in line in the grocery 
store so the people in front of me could move the huge wad of 
cash from one pocket to the next so that they could get to their 
food stamps.Its hard to want to give to people that have more 
than I do.

From: EagleEye
To: Father Guido
Subject: Dont get too full of yourself .....
Date: Sat Nov 24 20:47:22 2001

Message:
"I see you've never picked up "THE GOOD BOOK".. "

1. What book would that be?  Book of Mormon, King James version 
of the Christian Bible, Qu'ran, Dead Sea Scrolls translated .....

All except Qu'ran - your wrong.

2. Vaugness - neato.... who doesnt look in the mirror from time 
to time and expect to be better or do more.  I can appreciate 
what your up to, and I have personal feelings that our country 
should take care of its self first before creating all sorts of 
complicated entanglements - however; we've already done so and 
now its crisis MGMNT, and the big threat to America's safety is 
not currently the homeless.

All im saying is that paying attention to whats going on around 
outside our borders is very relevent right now - more so than US 
illiteracy, for which there is very little excuse anymore.  I 
find the idea of a multiple 767's flying into the Eifel Tower, 
Big Ben and downtown LA a bit more troubling than 20 year old 
who chose to hang out vs. read their textbooks.

From: allatti2d
To: F. Guido
Date: Sat Nov 24 20:31:58 2001

Message:
Again, I ask you, what are YOU doing about it, besides reading 
and posting to these message boards?

You're right, I don't know you any more than you know me, any 
more than you would know that I have been forced to be on the 
receiving end of caring people who give clothing and shelter to 
homeless, battered women who are in fear for their lives with 
nowhere for her or her children to go.  If you are saying that 
WE should be out in the world helping rather than here venting, 
and YOU are here venting, then that is hypocritical.  So please 
tell me, sir, what are YOU doing, besides talking up a storm?

You be accountable to your God and I'll be accountable to mine.  
In the meantime, choose your battles wisely, and don't be the 
judge of who will or will not be damned.  That is not for 
mankind to decide, is it?

From: EagleEye
To: Allati2d
Subject: Ashraf
Date: Sat Nov 24 21:02:33 2001

Message:
Hey Party Girl ......

Ashraf is extremely ticked cuz I called his prophet a not very 
nice name in a reply to either he or Waldo PJ.  Essentially  
because he threatened anyone saying any negative about the 
sacred prophet  mohhamed. Additionally Im sure he felt my 
commentary on Mohammed Al-Durra and references to LIMPNESS were 
waaaay over the top.  They were - as equally atrocious as 
Waldo's [who is praised by one ASHRAF] posts.

The arab irony permeates deep in politics and religion - I 
expected nothing less...... As usual he sets a higher standard 
of conduct for Amercians than for his Arab bretheren - but then 
I dont expect "much" from Arabs/Muslims either so Im not 
disappointed.

From: Walter
To: EagleEye
Date: Sat Nov 24 21:57:55 2001

Message:
I think that if you go back over the posts you'll find that 
Ashraf did not actually "praise" me,in fact,if I remember 
correctly,he thought I was a little off in the head.There is a 
difference between understanding someone and praising them.You're 
using me as a reason to attack him,and if you would be willing to 
stop and think about it,you'll know its true.

From: open mind/closed fist
To: F.G. & END/CONSTITUTION
Subject: the rest of the story
Date: Sat Nov 24 21:35:54 2001

Message:
This area was not be any means a ghetto, its an older
middle class area. The owner of the this property was very
succsessful in real estate and other ventures. He took this
project on with all of his religeous conviction to help the
homeless, pulled them out of shelters, had his people hook
them up with all the right agencys and thought he was ready for
sainthood. Three drug raids, two fires and a record number
of police calls later he sold the property for half what he
paid. He was sad and his rear end hurt.
 I dont live in the past but I learn from past experiences
be they mine or others.
 Now lets hear exactly what your righteous soul is doing for
the good of mankind other than "big opinions".
 End of the Constitution, what about the one in the recent
terrorist legislation requiring places of business to report
"suspicious" transactions involving cash over $10,000 to
buy merchandise? Now how is that one going to stop terrorists,
it may pinch drug dealers a little though.

From: EagleEye
To: WJP
Subject: I dont need you as a reason Waldo
Date: Sat Nov 24 22:41:23 2001

Message:
He did say your were "off balanced" - additionally he said he 
did NOT find you offensive, and he found you funny or humorous.  
All th while he told me I needed to give my style of humor a 
rest.  Im well aware of the differences between praise, and 
rebuke - as well as tolerance and "understanding".

I have many issues with Ashraf ... his hypocrisy between his 
approach to your posts and mine and his calling of others to 
rebuke me for my foul deeds, while exhibiting tolerance for 
yours are but one issue.  I am not using YOU, Im using his 
hypocrisy - "you" in this context just happen to be a blatant 
example. Besides .... how could I use YOU ..... there are so 
many of them.

Im sure that if you will stop, think, read and analyze you will 
know the hypocrisy is true. 

From: AN AMERICAN
To: ANY AND ALL WHO WOULD FUCK WITH US
Date: Sun Nov 25 00:51:14 2001

Message:
IF YOU THINK YOU CAN BARGE IN HERE AND TAKE OVER THEN TRY THIS

REALITY CHECK MOTHER FUCKERS

WE SHALL STAND TRYUMPHANT OVER ALL WHO DARE ATTACK US

GOT SOMEHING TO SAY ABOUT THAT E-MAIL ME

NOSDIABLO97@YAHOO.COM

MAY YOUR BLOOD BE SPILT

From:
To:
Date: Sun Nov 25 00:59:03 2001

Message:
LIFE IS SHORT,
WEVE HELD COURT
YOU CAN RUN YOU CAN HIDE,
BUT YOU HAVE ALREADY DIED
YOULL BE FRIED
WHATS THAT SMELL
ITS BIN LADIN BURNING IN HELL

From: Walter
To: EagleEye
Date: Sat Nov 24 23:48:49 2001

Message:
Yes.....Muslim people do not like it when you attack and try to 
belittle the Koran.Just as Christians don't like it when someone 
attacks the Bible and tries to belittle Jesus.No difference 
really.Why don't you call him?He was decent enough to give you 
the number....

From: John
To: Father Guido
Subject: Show us how.
Date: Sat Nov 24 23:03:57 2001

Message:
Father Guido Sarducci,  Are you the Italian priest 
from "Saturady Night Live?"  I always liked you.  I especially 
liked your op-eds on Weekend Update with Jane Curtain.

You said -->  "If you should happen to read this and agree, help 
one person and ask them to share the favor to another"

Is this kinda like the movie "Pay it Forward" ??   I liked that 
too.  Were you in that?

Seriously though, soften it up Dad,  ...I mean Father.  :-)  I'm 
a reformed Catholic.  Fear from the pulpit doesn't sell anymore. 

"Help yourself by helping others" was a key part your 
message.  ..amongst the many.

Much is personally gained, spiritually speaking, happiness and 
all.. by reaching out, lending a hand, but only so long as the 
giver is "truly" ready to give.  Many or most may not yet be 
ready, for need of focus first to self prior to reaching out.  
And of course locating the acceptant who does not reject is key, 
and is no easy task.  As many are of course not ready.. The rock 
bottom point and all...  drugs, alcohol, mental issues, Walter, 
etc...

A misdirected attempted action of giving as put forth by some 
replies to your original post I example.  Needed is direction.  
How can Joe Blow American contribute and not be spit upon, 
trampled, or taken advantage?  The actual fear (I believe) of 
many who do want to make a non-monetary contribution.

Now there's a project.  Show us how.  No pulpit stuff though 
please.  I cringe when I think of the destitute, down and out 
sort having to sit through a sermon of damnation and salvation 
for a cot and cup of broth.

John
E pluribus unum


From: Walter
To: AN AMERICAN
Date: Sun Nov 25 01:10:33 2001

Message:
Forget the reality check for awhile......try the spell 
check......LOL!!!

 By the way.......I don't think the terrorists are reading any 
messages right now.

From: LL Duce
To: ALL OF U !!!!!!!
Subject: U are fucked up ppl !!!!
Date: Sun Nov 25 08:55:33 2001

Message:
U are all a load of Fuck ppl u like to see ppl Die but i can 
tell u this when ur day come u wait to see u in ur bed thinking 
hoping that u will have  a Peace of hope to combat the pain off 
lonly ness and that ur littel fucking bodir will be wrinkle ed 
so bad that it will feel like that ass of a monky so i here if i 
see u in the street i will shoot not becuse off ur culoer or ur 
skin but becuse uare !!!!fucked up!!!!.        AND BELIVE ME ALL 
OF THE USA PPL WILL WIN U DOPES THINK ABOUT IT THER FUCK ING 
GRET AT !!!THE ART OF WAR!!!   ........     sorry bout the 
spelling u fucked up ppl . 

From: Radio Europe
To: Walter
Subject: Islam, Peace
Date: Sun Nov 25 06:30:52 2001

Message:
"Yes.....Muslim people do not like it when you attack and try to 
belittle the Koran.Just as Christians don't like it when someone 
attacks the Bible and tries to belittle Jesus."

No, Christians care little about anyone attacking the bible our tries to belittle Jesus...

Because, Walter, who in his right mind would have a reason to attack Christians exept for 
someone intolerant and discriminative?

Christians realise that most the bibles' strength lies in moral symbolism, based on very 
few historial facts.

Christians go to church when they choose to do so. 

Many Christians do not believe in Jesus.

So, should you believe in Muhammed?
Maybe he was just a warrior?
If he did do in his life what he given credit for, where did he find the time to do his 
writings?
What was added to them by people of maybe less good will?
What proof is there of even his existence?

Th bible has a "social side" and nowhere violently attacks other religions nor does it 
command for its' followers to destroy "infidels" for it to make it thrive; it does not approve 
of killing and of intolerance.

Ask any (atheist) professor in the field of ethics of any free university what could be 
unethical about the bible and his best answer would probably be: "it cannot all be true".

Now ask some 10 yr old schoolchildren to read some of the more "promotional" Islam 
texts and they would find them discriminating.

"Sure", you'll go, "should children judge this stuff?"

"Sure", we'll go, "we want them to know what tolerance is".

So, has christianity become obsolete, then?

In many ways it has, but not in all, we think.
You saw some of it after the sept. 11 attacks.
The best thing about it; it was about good, not about hate or revenge, 
Christianity does not cultivate those, 
nor does declare wars, or call for punishment...

Why does it take "koran-scientists" to explain koran to "ordinary" muslims, 
has this to do with it being politically interpreted? Think!

These practices, 
-together with the denial and the refusal of islam to eliminate dangerous elements from its' 
midst-
makes islam seem dangerous indeed.

As there is no real centralised institution of leadership or council for Islam, 
a new, typical "teaching" of it could show it's face anyday, anywhere. 
With any fool promoting it and taking it to war, or worse...

The idea of "religous justification" for agression, killing and punishment is what makes most 
people more than a little scared.
There is no limit of scale, you see walter.... 
In theory an Islamic governed state would use nuclear arms as easily as it chops off the 
hands of thieves. 
Luckily, in most these states thieves are more plentiful than nuclear arms...

In many countries Islam is fiercely fighting other religions, from Bhuddist to Christian.
Much like the unspeakably disgusting attacks on innocent Americans this fighting has 
nothing to to with Palestine.

These fights are a mere display of hatred, intolerance and frustrations against people of 
other thoughs and believes.
They are fired up by religious freaks an passed on to unknowing, ill-informed muslims.

There are no catholics at Radio Europe, but we are happy to announce that this morning 
we woke up to the somehow reassuring chime of church bells.
We stared from our studio window to the church building and whispered "dear god, may 
islam never reach critical mass over here"....

As long as Islam justifies "situations", its' "justified killing", hatred and intolerance in countries 
worldwide, Radio Europe will continue to be extremely critical of its' motives and vent its' 
opinion...




-from our editor on religious matters-



Have A Nice Day, America, 

From Europe, 'twas Radio Europe...

From: Radio Europe
To: Walter
Subject: Islam, Peace (no typo's)
Date: Sun Nov 25 09:09:12 2001

Message:
"Yes.....Muslim people do not like it when you attack and try to 
belittle the Koran.Just as Christians don't like it when someone 
attacks the Bible and tries to belittle Jesus."

No, Christians care little about anyone attacking the bible or tries to belittle Jesus...

Because, Walter, who in his right mind would have a reason to attack Christians exept for 
someone intolerant and discriminative?

Christians realise that most the bibles' strength lies in moral symbolism, based on very 
few historial facts.

Christians go to church when they choose to do so. 

Many Christians do not believe in Jesus.

So, should you believe in Muhammed?
Maybe he was just a warrior?
If he did do in his life what he given credit for, where did he find the time to do his 
writings?
What was added to them by people of maybe less good will?
What proof is there of even his existence?

The bible has a "social side" and nowhere violently attacks other religions nor does it 
command for its' followers to destroy "infidels" for it to make it thrive; it does not approve 
of killing and of intolerance.

Ask any (atheist) professor in the field of ethics of any free university what could be 
unethical about the bible and his best answer would probably be: "it cannot all be true".

Now ask some 10 yr old schoolchildren to read some of the more "promotional" Islam 
texts and they would find them discriminating.

"Sure", you'll go, "should children judge this stuff?"

"Sure", we'll go, "we want them to know what tolerance is".

So, has Christianity become obsolete, then?

In many ways it has, but not in all, we think.
You saw some of it after the sept. 11 attacks.
The best thing about it; it was about good, not about hate or revenge, 
Christianity does not cultivate those, 
nor does declare wars, or call for punishment...

Why does it take "koran-scientists" to explain koran to "ordinary" muslims, 
has this to do with it being politically interpreted? Think!

These practices, 
-together with the denial and the refusal of islam to eliminate those elements from its' 
midst-
makes islam seem dangerous indeed.

As there is no real centralised institution of leadership or council for Islam, 
a new, typical "teaching" of it could show it's face anyday, anywhere. 
With any fool promoting it and taking it to war, or worse...

The idea of "religous justification" for agression, killing and punishment is what makes most 
people more than a little scared.
There is no limit of scale, you see.... 
In theory an Islamic governed state would use nuclear arms as easily as it chops off the 
hands of thieves. 
Luckily, in most these states thieves are more plentiful than nuclear arms...

In many countries Islam is fiercely fighting other religions, from Bhuddist to Christian.
Much like the unspeakably disgusting attacks on innocent Americans this fighting has 
nothing to to with Palestine.

These fights are a mere display of hatred, intolerance and frustrations against people of 
other thoughs and believes.
They are fired up by religious freaks an passed on to unknowing, ill-informed muslims.

There are no catholics at Radio Europe, but we are happy to announce that this morning 
we woke up to the reassuring chime of church bells.
We stared from our studio window to the church building and whispered "dear god, may 
Islam never reach critical mass over here"....

As long as Islam justifies "situations", its' "justified killing", hatred and intolerance in countries 
worldwide, Radio Europe will continue to be extremely critical of its' motives and vent its' 
opinion...




-from our editor on religious matters-



Have A Nice Day, America, From Europe, 'twas Radio Europe






From: John
To:
Date: Sun Nov 25 09:28:41 2001

Message:
I nominate "LL Duce" as Ari Fleisher's replacement.  His 
eloquent communication skills make him a shoe-in.

John
E...

From: PATHFINDER
To: ALL
Subject: IRAQ
Date: Sun Nov 25 09:45:56 2001

Message:
Well, were almost done in Afghanistan.  Now we need to get 
Saddam.  Bin Laden and his bunch are small potatos.  Deserving 
of death they are, but the bastards we want are Saddam and then 
Arafat.  

Love them Daisy Cutters.


From: theE.S.D.
To:
Subject: InTheNews
Date: Sun Nov 25 09:50:11 2001

Message:
23 November 2001

AZIZ OPENS BAGHDAD CONFERENCE COMMITTEE 
MEETING. The 6th meeting of the Baghdad Conference's 
Follow Up and Coordination Committee was opened by 
Iraqi Deputy Premier Tariq Aziz on 12 November, according 
to INA of 13 November. Attending the meeting were 
representatives of a number of friendly and Arab countries, 
some for the first time. Participating and speaking at the 
conference were the former president of Zambia, Kenneth 
Kaunda, British parliamentarian George Galloway, Russian 
ultranationalist leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky (deputy speaker 
of the Russian Duma), Serbian Radical Party leader Vojislav 
Seselj, former speaker of Russia's Supreme Soviet Ruslan 
Khasbulatov, and Ma'n Bashur, president of the Pan-Arab 
Forum in Lebanon. 

Aziz reviewed the tasks of the Baghdad Conference, primary 
of which is "Iraq's just cause." In this connection he asked 
for support in lifting the embargo and ending the 
"U.S.-British aggression" toward the country. 

Aziz said the second concern of the committee was the 
issue of Palestine and the need to support the people's 
intifada. 

He also pointed out that the U.S. president has still not 
presented any tangible evidence about who carried out the 
11 September events, but that President Bush is "exploiting 
the event to divide the world and subjugate it to the will of the 
United States." 

He also called for a new Nonaligned Movement and 
stressed Iraqi President Saddam Husseyn's call for 
establishing an institutionalized world grouping opposed to 
the policy of hegemony and monopoly with the aim of 
protecting the national independence and interests of the 
countries that might join. 

All the other speakers expressed their rejection of the 
continuation of the unjust blockade against Iraq and called 
on countries to embrace the call by Saddam Husseyn. 
(David Nissman)

NORMAL TIES WITH IRAN IRAQ'S TOP PRIORITY. Iraqi 
Foreign Minister Naji Sabri Hadithi said in an interview with 
the English-language daily "Iran News" that the current 
Iran-Iraq impasse will not benefit either country and 
normalization of ties with Tehran take a high priority for 
Iraq's foreign policy, reported IRNA on 20 November. 

He added that in order to advance the cause of healthy 
Tehran-Baghdad ties, the first step should be to resolve 
outstanding issues from the Iran-Iraq war, such as 
refugees, MIAs, and prisoners of war. 

With regard to the MIAs, he said the matter is being dealt 
with by the two sides in a satisfactory manner. "Agreements 
have been reached as to how to pursue this matter and find 
the remaining MIAs." Iraq recently turned over the bodies of 
70 soldiers and Iran reciprocated by returning the remains 
of 16 Iraqi soldiers killed during the war. 

Hadithi also termed "positive" the economic and 
commercial ties as well as the visits by Iranian citizens to 
holy places in Iraq. He said that these visits should be 
encouraged, expanded, and discussed in detail during 
future meetings between officials and diplomats from both 
sides. 

He added that he had met briefly with Iranian foreign 
minister Kamal Kharrazi, but was unable to discuss 
bilateral issues with him privately. (David Nissman)

SYRIA FREEZES IRAQI ASSETS. In the past few weeks the 
Syrian government has frozen the assets of Iraqi 
governmental bodies in the amount of tens of millions of 
dollars because of a dispute over trade cooperation 
agreements, "Al-Bawaba" reports on 18 November citing a 
report in the London-based Arabic language newspaper 
"Al-Hayat." 

According to the "Al-Hayat" report, the two countries are 
trying to resolve their differences. Iraqi Vice President Taha 
Yasin Ramadan is scheduled to go to Damascus this week. 
The paper also notes that Jordanian and other Middle 
Eastern diplomats have recently warned against overly 
close trade relations with Iraq. According to the diplomats, 
Iraq is warming to its neighbors as a protective measure 
should the U.S. choose to attack it in coming months. 
"Al-Hayat" writes that trade relations with Iraq "are likely to be 
threatened." (David Nissman)

FORMER IRAQI AMBASSADOR TO AUSTRIA REFUSES TO 
RETURN TO BAGHDAD. The former Iraqi Ambassador to 
Austria, Faris Naema (as spelled by source) has refused to 
return to Baghdad, according to a Kuwaiti representative, 
Safa Mahmud, of the Supreme Council for the Islamic 
Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI). He told KUNA on 14 November 
that Naema was accompanying his wife, who has been 
working as a consultant at the Iraqi embassy in Vienna for 
three years. She had been ordered by Qusay Saddam 
Husseyn to return to Baghdad after he implemented some 
changes in the Foreign Ministry. 

Naema is remaining in Vienna due to his fear of being 
penalized by Qusay and Iraqi Foreign Minister Hadithi, with 
whom Naema is not on good terms. 

Naema had been commander of the First Legion during the 
Iran-Iraq War, then the commander of Al-Bakr Military 
College. In 1990 he became an adviser to Saddam 
Husseyn. In 1993 he was named ambassador to the 
Philippines, and in 1993 as ambassador to Austria. 

After he ended his term as ambassador, his wife, Janan 
Shawqat, was appointed a consultant to the embassy in 
Vienna. Naema remained with his wife. (David Nissman)

IRAQI FOREIGN MINISTER SPEAKS OUT AT OIC MEETING. 
Iraqi Foreign Minister Hadithi, speaking at a meeting of 
foreign ministers of the Organization of the Islamic 
Conference (OIC) in New York, called for the intensification 
and enhancement of support for the Palestinian people. He 
said that "we have to make all efforts necessary to end this 
systematic aggression and terrorism against the 
Palestinian people and help the brothers in Palestine, Syria, 
and Lebanon liberate their entire land and terminate the 
despicable racist and terrorist onslaught," reported 
Baghdad Television on 17 November. 

He also asked the OIC to stop the U.S. aggression against 
the people of Afghanistan and interference in Afghanistan's 
internal affairs. 

He also asked for "the Islamic countries' effective support 
for our just battle against the comprehensive embargo." 

He concluded his speech by saying "I would like to welcome 
the call mentioned in the final statement for solidarity with 
Libya, Sudan, and Iran against sanctions imposed 
collectively or individually against their Muslim people. We 
also hope the statement would include a call for lifting the 
unjust embargo of Iraq." (David Nissman)

IRAQI VICE PRESIDENT DENOUNCES U.S. Iraqi Vice 
President Ramadan said that Iraq "is capable of standing 
up to the challenges posed by the United States in a bid to 
undermine its security and weaken its resolve," AFP 
reported on 19 November. Ramadan was apparently 
responding indirectly to U.S. Undersecretary of State John 
Bolton's statement at a conference in Geneva on the 1972 
Biological Weapons Convention at which he said that "Iraq's 
biological weapons program remains a serious threat to 
international security." 

He also claimed that Washington "resorts to force and 
sanctions against other countries" and is "incapable of 
solving any problem it has with other countries through 
dialogue." 

The Baghdad newspaper "Babil," which is controlled by 
Uday Saddam Husseyn, is quoted as saying that Iraq "will 
be the focus of attention of the U.S. administration, as will 
Syria, Somalia, and Sudan." (David Nissman)

LOW QUALITY GOODS FLOOD IRAQI MARKETS. The Iraqi 
Trade Ministry has halted the import of soaps from Egypt 
following complaints that the ministry is buying goods unfit 
for human consumption, "Iraq Press" reported on 15 
November. 

Local press reports speak of numerous deaths resulting 
from the consumption of foodstuffs imported by the ministry 
under the UN-sponsored oil-for-food program. Egypt, which 
now tops countries trading with Iraq, and the Ukraine have 
been singled out for shipping such products to the country. 

Minister of Trade Muhammad Salih was quoted as saying 
that hundreds and thousands of tons of Indian and 
Ukrainian wheat have been rejected by his ministry because 
they were found to be "unsuitable for human consumption." 

Current Iraqi policy focuses on trade with countries 
supportive of Iraq's fight against the UN trade sanctions 
regardless of normal commercial practices. Even the Iraqi 
Ministry of Health has accused the trade Ministry of 
importing such goods, leading to death and serious illness, 
even among children. (David Nissman)

UDAY REPORTEDLY KILLS NEPHEW OF IZZAT IBRAHIM. 
The "Iraq Press" of 16 November reports from Damascus 
that Saddam Husseyn's eldest son, Uday, shot and killed 
the nephew of Izzat Ibrahim, Saddam's deputy on the 
Revolutionary Command Council. 

Sources inside Iraq say Uday shot Ziyad Duri in the head 
several times on a main thoroughfare of Baghdad when 
Duri refused to break his engagement to Ibrahim's 
daughter, whom Uday had divorced last year after a short 
marriage. 

Ibrahim is one of Saddam's most trusted lieutenants and 
officially the second in command after Saddam himself. 
However, Ibrahim is old and ailing, and is apparently 
powerless when it comes to someone like Uday. 

Uday has reportedly murdered many people, including his 
father's butler and food taster. 

Saddam is said to have sent his secretary, Abdhamid 
Mahmud, to Duri's funeral service to offer his condolences. 
Izzat Ibrahim did not show up at the funeral, which was held 
in the city of al-Dur, 150 kilometers north of Baghdad. (David 
Nissman)

UDAY'S FALCON FLIES THE COOP. Saddam Husseyn's 
eldest son, Uday, has mobilized Iraq's security services and 
media in search of a falcon that reportedly escaped from his 
personal zoo, according to "Iraq Press" from Damascus on 
16 November. He has announced a reward of one million 
dinars (approximately $500) for the capture of the bird. 

The bird fled Uday's zoo -- which is situated in the main 
presidential compound overlooking the Tigris River. Uday is 
reportedly fond of rare birds. The missing falcon is one of 
his rarest birds, worth some $20,000. 

While Uday's zoo is flourishing, the state-run zoo is said to 
be in a deplorable condition. A local newspaper, "Nabidh 
al-Shabib," said that the municipality has allocated more 
money to buy more animals in an attempt to revive the zoo. 
(David Nissman)

FIFTEEN KURDISH OPPOSITIONISTS EXECUTED IN 
KIRKUK. The Iraqi government executed 15 Kurdish 
oppositionists in Kirkuk last week. They were arrested last 
month by the Iraqi security apparatus, according to the 
Radio of the Iraqi Kurdistan Conservatives, cited by 
KurdishMedia.com of 19 November. The victims were 
buried in a mass grave near a military barrack north of 
Kirkuk. 

It is also reported that Saddam's security apparatus has 
increased its activities in recent months. Some 40 percent 
of Kurdistan (south of the no-fly zone which demarcates the 
Kurdistan Regional Government [KRG]) is under Baghdad 
control. UN Security Council Resolution 688 is supposed to 
protect the Kurds and Shi'a population but no steps have 
been taken by the international community to implement it. 
Kirkuk also contains a significant population of Iraqi 
Turkmen who are equally unprotected. 

The oil-rich cities of Kirkuk and Khanaqin are subject to the 
arabization policies of the Ba'thist regime under which they 
are supposed to change their nationality to Arabic; if they do 
not, their properties are confiscated and they are driven 
either over the border of the KRG to the north, or into the 
south of the country. Their property is then taken over by 
Arabs. (David Nissman)

KDP SOURCE SEES NO THREAT IN IRAQI, TURKISH 
TROOP BUILDUP ON BORDER. The Arabic language 
newspaper in London, "Al-Sharq Al-Awsat," of 14 November 
reports that an authoritative source in the Kurdistan 
Democratic Party (KDP) has described life in the region as 
normal, and denied the existence of serious Turkish or Iraq 
military threats. 

The source confirmed the presence of an Iraqi troop buildup 
along the contact lines separating territories under Kurdish 
control and those under Baghdad's control. He said that 
"these are precautionary measures that the Iraqi authorities 
resort to from time to time and which increase in size with 
reports that Iraq may come under new U.S. attacks." He 
added that Baghdad had received strong U.S. warnings not 
to exploit the current situation to attack the Kurdish areas. 

The source also linked a Turkish troop buildup to the U.S. 
campaign in Afghanistan. He said that "the Turks are 
worried that there may be a mass exodus in Iraq toward 
Turkey in the event of a large-scale strike against Iraq, and 
that is why they are taking precautions to prevent that from 
happening, and to seal the border with Iraq should the 
situation warrant it." 

Recently there was a light-weapons clash between an Iraqi 
army unit and KDP fighters following the killing of an Iraqi 
officer who had lost his way and entered an area under 
Kurdish control near Irbil. Other than that, there have been 
no further serious incidents. (David Nissman)

IRAQ READY TO COOPERATE WITH ARMENIA IN ALL 
SPHERES. Iraq is ready to cooperate with Armenia in all 
spheres, the Iraqi charge d'affaires to Armenia, Abbas Badri, 
stated today in a meeting with members of the Armenian 
deputy group "Armenia-Iraq," according to Arka News 
Agency on 16 November. 

According to Badri, the Iraqi Embassy in Armenia is working 
to promote bilateral relations. He said: "Unfortunately, 
Armenian businessmen are badly acquainted with the Iraqi 
market and they need state support in several matters." At 
the same time he noted "there are no serious reasons for 
the low level of commercial relations between Armenia and 
Iraq." 

Armenia may export particular foodstuff products and 
industrial production, Badri said. He added that "at present 
we have definite contacts between Armenian and Iraqi 
businessmen, and we are ready to do everything possible 
for their further development." (David Nissman)

SCIRI WELCOMES U.S. STRIKES AT 'TERRORIST 
REGIME.' Ayatollah Muhammad Baqir Hakim, leader of the 
Iran-based Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in 
Iran, told UPI on 19 November that the "Iraqi people would 
favor any (U.S.) attacks if they lie within the framework of the 
existing UN resolutions supporting the Iraqi people and if 
they are targeted at the terrorist regime (of Saddam 
Husseyn)." 

Hakim added that given the present situation in the Middle 
East and the lack of international consensus concerning the 
"issue of Iraq," the United States does appear to be ready to 
take action against Baghdad. 

He claimed that the Iraqi people and its army would "topple 
the regime if they are effectively supported by the 
international community rather than being hampered to do 
so." (David Nissman)

JUND AL-ISLAM, PUK CLASHES CONTINUE. After talks 
between the Islamic Group and the Jund al-Islam proved 
fruitless (the Jund refused to break up and join the Islamic 
Group), and Jund fighters did not take advantage of the 
general amnesty offered by the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan 
(PUK), the battle between the Jund and the PUK resumed, 
according to the Al-Sulaymaniyah newspaper "Hawlati" on 
12 November. 

PUK fighters attacked Jund strongholds in the vicinity of 
Halabcha on 3 November. While PUK forces were able to 
seize a number of Jund positions, the Jund mined them 
before abandoning them. This resulted in an unknown 
number of PUK casualties. 

By the start of the month of Ramadan, 17 November, fighting 
between the two sides continued. A senior PUK 
commander stated that "there are nightly exchanges or 
mortar and heavy machine-gun fire," according to 
KurdishMedia.com of 17 November. However, analysts 
familiar with the Jund-PUK conflict do not believe that 
Ramadan will interfere with the PUK's fight against the Jund 
al-Islam. (David Nissman)

BARZANI AND TALABANI EXCHANGE RAMADAN 
GREETINGS. Jalal Talabani, leader of the Patriotic Union of 
Kurdistan (PUK), sent a telegram offering his greetings to 
Masud Barzani, leader of the Kurdistan Democratic Party. 
Talabani expressed the wish that the month of Ramadan 
would be an opportunity to prepare to overcome all 
obstacles in full reconciliation of both parties and the 
implementation of the Washington Peace Agreement, 
KurdishMedia.com reported on 18 November. 

Barzani reciprocated by sending the greetings of his 
comrades and himself to Talabani, cadres, and fighters of 
the PUK. He prayed that the holy month of Ramadan would 
bring blessed rewards for the Muslim people of Kurdistan, 
and that God would help both sides in strengthening their 
joint struggle and their joint position on the basis of the 
Washington Peace Agreement. (David Nissman)


============================================== 


From: EagleEye
To: ALL
Subject: ...Pakistan, POST bin Lucifer?
Date: Sun Nov 25 10:42:52 2001

Message:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/627086.asp

"The foreigners holed up in Kunduz are thought to be from 
Pakistan, the Middle East, Central Asia, China and perhaps even 
Indonesia and the Philippines who have undergone terrorist 
training in al-Qaida camps. Some of them are reportedly key 
deputies and lieutenants to bin Laden and Taliban leader Mullah 
Mohammed Omar, while others are said to be the relatives of high-
ranking Pakistani religious leaders."

From: theE.S.D.
To:
Subject: OnLineNews
Date: Sun Nov 25 10:54:29 2001

Message:
BOSTON   The FBI is monitoring the investigation into the 
disappearance of a Harvard biologist because of his 
research into potentially lethal viruses, including Ebola. 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,39355,00.html

From: cassen
To: noah-(et al)
Subject: sending help
Date: Sun Nov 25 10:42:32 2001

Message:
HI NOAH--i tried once before to post this info about sending 
farm animals to help Afghan people--www.heifer.org---does this 
work-----at this time we are talking refugees in Pakistan--after 
the war then directly to Afghanistan itself---its a group called 
heifer international.  you can send chickens, goats, etc.
I also help the homeless here in NYC --one thing doesnt preclude
the other!!!  MY window has a perfect view across the harbor of
the NYC skyline--we saw it happen--Hatred is a waste of energy.
                    jackie C. 

From: EagleEye
To: Waldo Pig Jigalo
Subject: enuff with the spell check phukkin A dude
Date: Sun Nov 25 10:44:11 2001

Message:
for someone who declares himself such a phreakin jenious,waldo 
its rather irritating,the way you Punctuate your drivel.maybe 
you could learn to put spaces between you sentences and after 
commas.i realize that people of your stature simply cannot be 
bothered with such trivial matters,see as with most hypocritical 
bastards,you see flaws with others and not yourself.please 
remove the 24" x 24" x 40' Beam from your own eye before 
removing the splinter from your brothers.completing a sentence 
and having no run ons is important to us all to.I dont recall 
anyone appointing you the grammer police.i mean really waldo,why 
even bother putting the periods and commas in at all.punctuation 
is strictly for the synaptically weak for sure in your part of 
amercia.please have an epiphanictic POP.this would be when some 
one kicks you in the balls so hard,that your sphincter lets 
loose of your cranium and upon its forcefull departure there is 
a loud popping sound,then the lights go on.see your local mullah 
and dont try this at home.

really waldo PJ,why not just communicate like 
this....imeanwhileyouratitwhynotjustremovethefuckingspacestoo,who
thehellneedsthoseanyways.usmentallysuperiorassholesdontneednophre
akingspacesorcommasorperiodsshitwejustusetelepathywe'resodamninte
lligent.

Jigalo .....

1. Cuz the spelling will irritate you.

2. G before H as in Jihahahhahhah, hence the dialect 
similarities. Jigalo/Jihad ... comprendo?

Your ability to "spell" check does not make you anything but 
competent to do extra work.  You correct your punctuation, we'll 
work on the spelling capice' - else blow me.

From: allatti2d
To: EagleEye
Subject: Jeez!!!
Date: Sun Nov 25 11:32:00 2001

Message:
EagleEye, let me fix you a nice, soothing, aromatic cup of 
coffee and rub your temples.  You seem a little stressed. :)

From: allatti2d
To: Everyone
Subject: Recommended Viewing
Date: Sun Nov 25 11:38:22 2001

Message:
I'm all by myself this weekend, so I thought I'd take advantage 
of my Saturday night and rent a DVD.  (If some of you have not 
yet bought a DVD player, I'd highly recommend it, primarily for 
the commentary, deleted scenes, and other extras like that.  
I've had mine for nearly 2 months now and I love it.)

Anyway, without kids to worry about, I rented Saving Private 
Ryan.  I'd only seen it once before in the theater when it first 
came out, and due to outside problems I wasn't able to pay much 
attention to it or watch all of it.  The DVD of this movie is 
very good because it contains some good commentary by director 
Steven Spielberg (yes, he's a Jew).  When I watched and listened 
to Spielberg's commentary, I tried very hard to see it from the 
perspective that some others do, who believe that Jews are 
running American media and essentially trying to take over the 
world.  I honestly couldn't see it, and on further thought I 
can't see how anyone with any sense could believe this is true.  
I wish people would stop trying to fit everyone into an imagined 
agenda... it can be very irritating at times.  But I digress.

A good percentage of America has seen this movie, but I don't 
know how much it has been viewed abroad.  It's a very realistic 
and horrifying look into World War II, and is extremely graphic 
and bloody in some scenes.  If you can handle the blood and 
guts, I would highly recommend watching it, or renting it again 
if you've already seen it.  It makes some of what's going on now 
hit home more, and brings the reality of it closer to the mind.  
It deeply affected me last night, and I'm glad I watched it.  I 
hope some of you will see it for the first time, or see it again.

From: EagleEye
To: theE.S.D.
Subject: Iraq / Palastine
Date: Sun Nov 25 11:09:09 2001

Message:
Arab hypocrisy ........

Its wonderful to watch Iraqs foreign ministers jump up and 
proclaim a need for Arab action against the racist Jews for 
taking over Palastinian Arabs land ..... all the while they are 
executing Kurds and confiscating their land, not for principle 
or birthrights, just for greed [oil].

The morbid news from Iraq is that the subsequent Hinsane family 
lineage is just as dimented as the spawn. Sadamy's eldest off's 
some guy on main street for hooking up with his ex-wife.  How 
does this shit hole have a UN seat?

ESD - your information is appreciated.

From: EagleEye
To: Allati2d
Subject: stress ......
Date: Sun Nov 25 11:53:12 2001

Message:
Well yeah I guess u r right. Must be the surgery recovery.  Lets 
just say that, as of last Tuesday, I now shoot blanks. Im rather 
irritable.

Waldo's spelling fixation gets old.  Oh well.

Java and a temple rub - damn!  Doubtful the wife would go for 
that one.

Speaking of DVD's - unless your an audiophile tweaker - check 
out a Sony PlayStation2 as your DVD source too - kinda cool. May 
I also recommend BraveHeart.

From: allatti2d
To: EagleEye
Subject: DVDs
Date: Sun Nov 25 12:06:49 2001

Message:
EagleEye, I don't know what you mean by 'audiophile tweaker.'  I 
did set up my own little theater system using some of my soon-to-
be-ex's old stereo equipment - speakers and amps - and the sound 
quality is pretty good... it makes the house tremble sometimes!  
I was going to go halves with my kids for a PS2, but now their 
interest is in the X-Box.  We'll have to wait and see.  That's 
why I bought a cheap little DVD player instead of something 
elaborate.  My next step is to get a digital surround sound line 
and maybe a few little Bose speakers.

By the way... I'll fix your wife a cup of coffee and give her a 
temple rub as well if she wants.  Nothing kinky there; I also do 
massage therapy as a side gig.  Happy couples make for a 
peaceful world. :)

Sorry to hear about your post-op PTSD.  Hope you have lots of 
ice!

From: Justice USA
To: Allatti2, Eagle, Spy, Radio Europe, Italian Guy, Holland.Italy
Subject: Dont trust the taliban that are surrendering
Date: Sun Nov 25 12:51:02 2001

Message:
I dont trust those fuckers.  Feel like they are up to 
something.  All of a sudden they decide to save their own asses, 
what about the decades of bullshit that they did?   I still 
think the only good taliban, is a dead taliban.

From: Noah
To: EagleEye
Subject: hope you feel better soon
Date: Sun Nov 25 12:16:38 2001

Message:
Ouch. so it was time for the V operation? I hope you feel 
better soon. I liked your most recent humor to Walter. It is 
annoying when people miss context for simple errors. Well, 
they dropped another BLU, I didn't get to see it yet though. 
Looks like this operation is starting to wind down. I guess 
come spring we'll either have started investigating someone 
else, or they will  have all given up for the sake of peace. 

See yaz all later.

From: om/cf
To: all
Subject: news
Date: Sun Nov 25 12:35:44 2001

Message:
I havent seen it mentioned here but a good site for
world news is www.thepaperboy.com. They have links to
over 5000 newspaper sites in the US, links to radio,
and, dare I say it? A pretty good message board, but
apparently no naughty words allowed. I would get the
boot for sure.
 I ran across it right after the 9-11 attacks looking for
reactions from around the world.
 My excuse for typos is large fingers, well that and I spell 
worth a shit! Tried taking guitar lessons one time, the
teacher looked at my hands and she said "are you sure about 
this". I work all day on a computer (mechanical engineering)
its lucky for me the software is mostly icon based now, point and
click, but I can still butcher the hell out of notes and 
callouts, thank goodness.

From: EagleEye
To: Friends
Subject: thanks
Date: Sun Nov 25 13:17:16 2001

Message:
Allati2d - impressive!!! on the stereo hookups....  "audiophile 
tweaker" - types who spend $10k on a needle and turntable as 
they feel vinyl is the only true recording of music [analog] - 
the true sound gets distorted via conversion from analog sounds 
to digitized ones. My music tastes dont benefit from the analog 
signal retention :-) I doubt Sleep Now in the Fire by Rage 
Against the Machine, nor The Ocean by Zep would benefit from 
analog.

Birdseye frozen peas are much more soothing BTW. PTSD ... it 
hurts too laugh ...... hehehe  Good one.

Noah - thanks bud.

JusticeUSA:  Im quite skeptical too.  Though I'll admit, this 
type of thing is rather foreign to Americans.  We arent too hip 
to Benedict Arnold types, but I guess its common over there.  
Survival is important, and when its either the Taliban or a 
missing limb, dome or torture of your family - guess you go with 
the winner, until someone better comes along and ousts your 
masters.  The thing Im more concerned about is the Al-Quada and 
foreigners sneaking out.

Kinda reminds of the days when the Iraqi soldiers were 
surrendering to reporters in droves.

From: John
To: Justice USA
Subject: RE: I still think the only good taliban, is a dead taliban.
Date: Sun Nov 25 13:17:54 2001

Message:
Justice USA, you said -->  "I dont trust those fuckers.  Feel 
like they are up to something.  All of a sudden they decide to 
save their own asses, what about the decades of bullshit that 
they did?   I still think the only good taliban, is a dead 
taliban.

********

Your distrust is well founded.  While we slept, 500 foriegn 
Taliban prisoners of war, held in a camp 7 miles west of Mazar e 
Sharif by the Northern Alliance, who failed to adequately search 
their prisoners, decided to suicide bomb themselves up along 
with their captors.  There was prescedent for this the day 
before.  A smaller camp of foreign Tali-suicide bomber prisoners 
blew themselves with their captors.

The Alliance is now pretty much left with no choice but to 
execute foreign Taliban prisoners (Egyptian, Saudi, Pakistani, 
etc) in self defense.  Afghan Taliban are not the threat and 
will be part of the new government, as they should.  They simply 
fell in line under the Taliban.

John
E...

From: John
To: EagleEye
Subject: I'll leave it to you to add the humor.
Date: Sun Nov 25 13:42:26 2001

Message:
Eagle,  Remember my theory - the plan to allow Pakistani Taliban 
to cross the border?  I heard a translated interview of a 
captured Paki-Taliban prisoner who said:  "President Mushareff 
told him to cross the border to fight the Americans."

I'll leave it to you to add the humor.

John
E...

From: allatti2d
To: John
Subject: Mazar e Sharif
Date: Sun Nov 25 13:42:47 2001

Message:
John... I am an hour behind in getting my butt in the shower and 
getting out of here, but I had to respond to your post.  I read 
on my home page news and on CNN.com that the prison riots were 
quelled by the Northern Alliance with the aid of U.S. ground 
forces and a few well-delivered U.S. air strikes.  There was 
nothing in the reports about suicide bombers or Taliban blowing 
themselves and their captors up.  Where did you see/hear that 
info?  I'd be interested in seeing other reports.

Also, something that's been on my mind lately is the Northern 
Alliance.  They are not altogether the good guys, so I've read, 
and they consist of a lot of pretty nasty little individuals.  
They are just the strongest opposing force in Afghanistan to the 
Taliban.  I don't think the U.S. really wants to see the 
Northern Alliance take over Afghanistan any more than they want 
the Taliban to do so, and it seems to ring true with other 
countries as well.  It's hard to distinguish fact from fiction 
in some of these reports, but I'm wondering what's gonna happen 
after the Taliban is defeated in the next few days.  Who will 
want to take over Afghanistan, and will it necessarily be a 
better place depending on who gets it?  The one good thing is 
that the country will be heavily scrutinized by the entire 
world, and hopefully will be sculpted into something productive 
and non-evil, but that may take several rounds of trial-and-
error to achieve.  Judging from its proximity to such places as 
Iraq and Pakistan, is there a possibility of these powers 
infiltrating and overtaking Afghanistan to use as they see fit?

I'd love to see all of your thoughts on this.  Now, I'm outta 
here!  Have a great Sunday, everyone.

From: Father Guido
To: Eagle Eye / Allatti2d & John
Subject: As you would like it...EXAMPLES
Date: Sun Nov 25 12:27:03 2001

Message:
To Eagle Eye;
Why yes I have picked up several different versions of the 
modern day bible and as for the (as you put it) "Qu-ran"...It is 
actually the "KORAN" an no I didn't read it myself, as I do not 
read Islamic Text....but I did spend 2 years in a Muslim country 
and did have a wonderful time sharing the differences between 
them, their beliefs and mine...I had many of the interpretations 
translated to me and discussions as to the differences we noted. 
It was an enlightening experience to say the least to hear the 
beliefs of another culture as related from Allah to Mohammad... 
The major points about life are quite the same.

As for any Vaugness in my words, I have practiced what I preach 
and continue to do so. I really only have myself and my God to 
answer to but as long as you want facts...I've been on the 
receiving end of where I speak from...I've helped by giving my 
time to the sick and elderly since my early childhood, I donate 
clothes and food to the needy, I have Thied money to the 
Missions Outreach (when I could not go myself), I have taught 
those less fortunate than I to read and write, I started our 
local Church in "Loaves And Fishes Too" a program to feed the 
inner city children and adults who might not otherwise get a 
meal. I ran that program for about 2 years until my job changed 
and I passed the torch to another impassioned person.  I've 
served my Community (Helping Hands), my Church (as a 
Confirmation Teacher for 4 years, as a Council Member for 2 
years ((Politics wasn't my forte')) and numerous other things I 
do on a daily basis, all of which would bore you to death) and 
my Country in the Armed Forces for 5 years...You know, when I 
stop to think about all that I've done, I just want to get out 
there and do more... I should not be living now...No joke! I am 
actually living on borrowed time. I should of died 10 years ago 
in an accident and that was my turning point to what is precious 
and to forget what is not worth fighting for. I choose to do the 
Lords work because I was asked to do so by "THE WORDS OF THE 
BIBLE". That "is" my MAP and my SHEPHERD...Cast your rocks and 
spit upon me, kick me if it makes you feel good..I will continue 
to do what I must as my job is not finished until my Lord tells 
me it is done!

You know, it's those actions of a few bad apples that spoil it 
for everyone else.  I'm not impressed by cowardly actions Abroad 
or at Home and for those who will judge me and not even pick up 
their own cross, they my friend will have a higher power to 
answer to...not me.

Allatti2d;
You wanted to know what I'm doing? You want me to be accountable 
to who? You? Did I read it right? Is that so you won't feel so 
bad yourself for being the hypocritical person you are? 

As for battles being choosen....I actually do not choose them, 
they are choosen for me and I am lead to where it is I need to 
be when the time is right. I have been Blessed with an Armor 
that only the Heavenly Father can take away, once my battles are 
completed here.

As for judging, I'm assuming you were reffering to Djibouti on 
another page (sorry if I'm off base here). But you see I was not 
the one to Cast him, or his leader, out of Heaven and I 
therefore did not do the judging.  Just making a refference to 
his threat to others...

Hey John;
Get ahold of yourself....Am I the real Father Guido?????  Can't 
tell you but you do justify most of my original comments and for 
that I am flattered. 
You make a reference to direction! It's already been given to us 
through a sacrifice that I'm not sure anyone other than God 
could have completed. He set us in motion and left it up to us 
to follow the road to Salvation he beset us with. I know about 
the being spit upon, trampled and taken advantage of as it 
happened to Him, so has it happened to me. The showing was done 
almost 2000 years ago, or didn't you know that?  As for my 
examples, I'm sure you have already read them or some of them at 
least...There are many more I've done and hopefully many more to 
come. Only my Lord knows what is next for me. I feel this might 
be just one more way to "SHOW" you and others. I've been where I 
felt there was no hope and by the Grace of God, I'm here to help 
those who need me...I do not let life's hurddles get me down (as 
they always seem to at least get in my way). I'M VERY THANKFULL 
TO BE HERE, TO DO THE WILL OF MY LORD, AS MY WORK HERE IS NOT 
DONE YET, SON......<><....<><....<><....<><....F.G.+ 

From: John
To: allatti2d
Date: Sun Nov 25 13:52:33 2001

Message:
allatti2d,  we are not necessarily on total opposite sides of 
the political spectrum as you suggest.  When I see lying and 
hypocricy, I speak out.  I haven't been given opportunity to 
speak out much against the far Right, excepting for Buchanon.  I 
do find some of the "far" Left repugnant, of whom I have made my 
views apparent.

Have a great day,

John
E...

From: John
To: allatti2d
Date: Sun Nov 25 14:07:18 2001

Message:
allatti2d,  It was actually very early AM CNN repporting from 
perspective of a wounded Italian reporter who was airlifted to 
one of the Northern ..Stans for treatment.  This reporter was 
injured in a suicide bomb prison attack the day before.  CNN 
really does have their foothold in the region.  I appreciate 
their reporting.

As far as the government of Afghanistan, it's obvious it will be 
representative of ALL the factions, the Afghan Taliban (who are 
Pashtun), the southern Pashtun, and northern Shiites and the 
other minority Muslim groups of Afghanistan.  UN forces will 
have a significant presense for many years to come to avoid what 
you speak of.

John
E...

From: Walter
To: EagleBoy
Date: Sun Nov 25 14:23:48 2001

Message:
Boy you sure get mad at the spelling bit!!
A childhood issue?LOL!!! Your problem I guess!
Blow me? Help!I'm being attacked by a gay intellectual!

From: John
To: Father Guido
Date: Sun Nov 25 14:24:44 2001

Message:
Thanks Dad.  +

J
E..

From: John
To: All
Subject: Your thoughts folks...
Date: Sun Nov 25 14:37:53 2001

Message:
I just got an idea.  I haven't thought it through yet.  But I'll 
float it anyway.

I suggest this boards owner donate this domaine "afghan-
government.com" to the new government of Afghanistan along with 
a copy of all the megs of posts for their scholars to study.  I 
would suggest possibly editing out portions.  Those decided 
proposed edited portions would be obvious for a thinking 
person.  Or should all posts be included?  I probably am being 
generous with the domaine ownership rights possessed by 
another.  :-)

Your thoughts folks...

John
E pluribus unum

From: EagleEye
To: Father Guido
Subject: U R Confused sir .....
Date: Sun Nov 25 14:36:54 2001

Message:
"I really only have myself and my God to 
answer to but as long as you want facts..."

As do we all.  However, your are a tad confused.  I have zero 
interest in your personal works - what does Paul say 
about "works"?  Anyhow, I think you need to re-read my replies 
to you - I have yet to throw rocks or flem in your direction .. 
figurativelty speaking.  What I stated in essence was that 
discussing the matters of foreign merceneries bombing our people 
and buildings - its still a threat, and what militant islam is 
doing is of legitimate concern, and does merit discussion.

I also said I can appreciate what your up to ... what do you 
want..... you butt french kissed? Ease up Guido.

BTW - I was asking not what books you have read, but which "the 
GOOD BOOK" you thought I hadn't.  Part of communicating is 
listening / reading - try it sometime - you may enjoy it.

Best of success in your endeavors ......

From: EagleEye
To: Waldo
Subject: Yaaaaaaawwwwwwnnn
Date: Sun Nov 25 14:53:07 2001

Message:
"Help!I'm being attacked by a gay intellectual!"

bet youve never been more excited,though surely u must tire of 
whispering it at parties.nice touch w/ the MENSA-like 
punctuation too.

AsAlwaysWaldo,ItsSoInformativeReadingYourIncessantBant"o"r.

From: Holland/Italy
To: All, especially UK Citizenand Alatti2d
Date: Sun Nov 25 12:48:35 2001

Message:
Thanks, Alatti and Uk Citizen, for voting me in, this whole 
board has kind of grown on me even though I sometimes feel like 
not fitting in in so much anymore. Originally I joined it for 
the same reason Spy did, venting feelings, but somehow, not 
being an American myself, I feel I don't have the right being 
just as involved as you all are. I used to think the problem was 
Islam being against the whole Western world, but you all seem to 
think differently, I hope you are right, so, respectfully, once 
again I am on the "outside looking in", with much affection. I 
am glad that, as an Italian, The Italian Guy supports the same 
ideas I have.
I believe that when John and Alatti joined, the board changed 
and acquired a more personal and less superficial quality than 
it had before, I also think that Eagle Eye is very much like 
John just as Missin resembled Alatti. 
The human factor together with informative pieces from ESD, 
Radio Europe and others make this board quite unique.
I appreciate Ashraf's perseverance even though he has very 
different ideas than most of us. But that is interesting as well.
Just like this board the world should keep all its differences, 
globalization is great up to a certain point but we should not 
loose our very close traditions, nor think ours are more 
important than those of others, whether it be Thanksgiving in 
the US, Sinterklaas (who became Santa Claus to you) in Holland, 
La Befana and Carnevale in Italy, Ramadan in the Arab countries, 
Hindu and Buddhist festivities etc. I think progress is a 
natural evolution so maybe we will all be able to meet each 
other on equal terms one day. 
About religion? Here are a few phrases from the famous Lebanese 
poet and philosopher Kahlil Gibran in "the Prophet":
- If you would know God, be not therefore a solver of riddles. 
Rather look about you and you shall see him playing with your 
children. And look into space; you shall see Him walking in the 
cloud, outstretching His arms  in the lightning and descending 
in the rain. You shall see Him smiling in flowers and waving His 
hand in trees. Say not "I have found the truth", but rather "I 
have found a truth" Say not "I have found the path of the soul" 
Say rather "I have met the soul walking upon my path" For the 
soul walks upon all paths. The soul walks not upon a line, 
neither does it grow like a reed. The soul unfolds itsel, like a 
lotus of countless petals.-
And this even goes for an absolute Atheist like myself, but 
don't try to solve that riddle.       



     

From: Spy
To: Holland/Italy
Date: Sun Nov 25 15:34:43 2001

Message:
I'm glad you stayed on board. I was wondering if you had left 
there for a while. Keep posting.

From: Radio Europe
To: the E.S.D.
Subject: wellcome again, great research!
Date: Sun Nov 25 16:30:58 2001

Message:

From: Radio europe
To: an american
Subject: great message, nicely put!
Date: Sun Nov 25 16:41:28 2001

Message:

From: EagleEye
To: Disgusted
Subject: what up?
Date: Sun Nov 25 16:51:53 2001

Message:
Drop us a line man.

You characters hold down the fort.  On lurk mode for a bit.

Darth Bush .... your a riot man.  The whole world is going crazy 
and all you care about are some wetlands and Reagan/Bush Sr. 
sealed documents.

From: Walter
To:
Subject: Great News
Date: Sun Nov 25 16:55:01 2001

Message:
On Saturday, a
              Palestinian mortar
              attack against the
              Jewish settlement of
              Kfar Darom in the Gaza
              Strip killed one Israeli and injured two others.

A little bit o'retribution.

From: theE.S.D.
To:
Subject: HeadLineNews
Date: Sun Nov 25 17:29:41 2001

Message:
11/25/2001 : Iraq Says It Foiled Iran-Linked Attack in 
Baghdad

Iraq said on Saturday it had foiled a planned attack in a 
Baghdad residential area by agents working for neighboring 
Iran.

``Apparatus of the Iranian regime planned the attack in favor 
of the American Administration and the Zionist entity 
(Israel),'' the official Iraqi News Agency (INA) quoted a police 
statement as saying.

``Security police have arrested a group of criminal elements 
while trying to carry out a terrorist and sabotage act in a 
residential area in Baghdad,'' the statement said. INA gave 
no further details.

Iraq has in the past blamed Iran, its former foe in a 
1980-1988 war, for several bombings. Iran has denied the 
accusations.

Iraqi television on Saturday showed six Iraqis admitting they 
had worked for Iran's intelligence service and carried out 
mortar and bomb attacks.

Ahmed Mahmoud, 31, a Kurd from northern Iraq, said he 
had been in contact with Iranian intelligence and recruited 
five other Iraqis, mostly from Baghdad, to work with him.

He said the group had attacked Iraq's intelligence 
headquarters, the oil and interior ministeries, a central 
Baghdad market and a residential area in the capital.

Despite the end of their war, Iraq and Iran still have bitter 
disagreements over many issues, including the repatriation 
of prisoners of war.

Last week the two countries exchanged the remains of 96 of 
their soldiers killed in the war. An estimated one million 
Iranians and Iraqis were killed in the conflict. 

Source:BAGHDAD (Reuters) 




From: Ashraf
To: Allatti2d
Subject: ...
Date: Sun Nov 25 17:25:52 2001

Message:
You've got mail..

Peace..

From: Noah
To: Father Guido, Allatti2d
Subject: wavelengths
Date: Sun Nov 25 15:54:03 2001

Message:
Hi there. First Allatti2d, I understand your questioning of 
Father Guido, as we all want to know someone is reputable 
or at least honest before we communicate with them. I think 
F.G. meant well in coming to share his hopes with the 
people of this board. As most of us are aware, it only takes a 
little while to read and post a message, so I think there's 
nothing wrong with posting on the internet when the rest of 
the day is filled with other activities. I know you were raised 
in the Christian faith, so you're probably more apt to 
question a believer (as most Christians are self-policing 
people). I am not very familiar with the Catholic 
denomination, but I know they have a good role model, so I 
applaud what they do most of the time. 

Father Guido, I apreciate what you are doing for your faith. I 
know that our time is not very long and "to those who have 
been given much, much will be expected." I am sad to admit 
that I have not given as much of my own time to the Lord's 
work as I used to in college. Therefore, it is good to hear 
constant reminders that I can and should be doing much 
more with my time. I know that doing what I can with my 
money is one thing, but I cannot stop there. I appreciate your 
prayers and I pray also that I will stand up to the daily 
challenges of feeding the Lord's sheep. 

To everyone, God bless you all, I am so impressed with the 
quality of people that post here that I can't leave! :-). 

From: Open Mind
To: Walter
Subject: More Good News
Date: Sun Nov 25 17:28:35 2001

Message:
Prison uprising with Osamas captured Arab recruits! Alliance
soldiers shooting them like fish in a barrel. No! U.S. airstrike
called in, Nooooooo! LOL! LOL! LOL!

From: om/cf
To: Walter
Date: Sun Nov 25 17:56:50 2001

Message:
A lotta bit o'retribution! LOL!!!!!

From: UK Voices
To: The messed-up Dildos
Subject: Hey - get ready for a kicking I'm BACK!
Date: Sun Nov 25 18:24:35 2001

Message:
Hey Walter - big up my man.

Keep going.  I have to tell you that this is THE place to come 
to tell some screwed-up Americanos where to go.  I haven't got 
much inclination to waste my time today but just letting you 
know that I'm glad you're telling them the truth because hey 
need to know it real bad.  Did you ever read any of my previous 
postings on this board?  Well if you did then you'd realise how 
fucked up some of these (Spy, Eagle Eye etc.) really are.  The 
can't handle being beaten on the battlefield and they certainly 
can't handle it that we, in Britain, can't stand the arrogant 
American sabre-rattling dildos.  They thought that we liked them 
and therefore they might have some friends in the world but they 
cry when they realise it's not true.

If you want to see whhy they cry - then just ask here and I'll 
tell you everything.  Once again - keep up the decent postings.

And oi - Italian Guy, yeah you!  You don't know me yet but you 
can fuck right off you little piecce of greasy shit!

Haaaaaaa.   Haaarrgh   Haaaaaa.  Gigle.  Haaaaarrrrrggggggghhh.



From: Uk Voices
To: Dildos
Subject: I'm waiting........
Date: Sun Nov 25 18:38:32 2001

Message:
Let's rock.

From: UK Voices
To: Dildos
Subject: How boring.
Date: Sun Nov 25 18:42:12 2001

Message:
Nobody wants to play today.

Like their troops, they're scared again I guess.  It's no fun 
here I'm going home.

Byeeeeeee.

From: theE.S.D.
To:
Subject: OnLineNews
Date: Sun Nov 25 19:51:01 2001

Message:
The fingerprints of terror

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2001530007-200154322
6,00.html

From: EagleEye
To: UK Vomit
Subject: huuuurrrrrlllllllllll .............
Date: Sun Nov 25 20:00:43 2001

Message:
"The three men in the London cell appear on the same American 
indictment as bin Laden for their alleged role in the embassy 
bomb plot. Mr Abdelbary has been awarded  164,432 in legal aid, 
Mr al-Fawwaz  157,077 and Mr Eidarous  107,416. Not all the work 
has been billed and assessed. More bills are expected."

What a shame - that money could have been spent to spade UK 
Voices bitch.... excuse me, spouse, or the labotomy 
reversal ..... vis a vi GLOCK to his DOME.  tsk tsk ....

Ya know its funny .. I didnt read anywhere about the SAS 
sticking around "inside" the fort today.

From: Spy
To: UK Vomit Voices
Subject: You dropped this last time you were here----man;and the air just cleared up since your last vist---
Date: Sun Nov 25 20:12:38 2001

Message:
UK Voices Family Photo Album

{:@(     daddy doggie uk vomit voice
{:#(     mama doggie uk vomit voice

{:@(
{:#(     3 lovely doggie childern uk vomit voices
{:@(

{:@)
{:@)    stillborn doggie uk vomit voices (notice the smiles) 
{:#)                                               

{:#(     grandmama liverpool whore doggie uk vomit voice

---------------------------------------------------------------

Also---you qualify for induction into the "yellow dog club"
http://community.webshots.com/photo/22964122/25423929
dLbWPufrqE

Now you and the family can get back to your porno films.

From: UK Voices
To: BlindEagle, Spy-derWoman
Subject: You're both so funny - if only you were both not so full of shit.
Date: Sun Nov 25 20:37:28 2001

Message:
By the way, in case you thick shits don't yet get it, you're not 
realy funny.  I using sarcasm.  It's something we do here but 
you fuckups fail to understand it.

From: UK Voices
To: BlindEagle, Spy-derWoman
Subject: You're both so funny - if only you were both not so full of shit.
Date: Sun Nov 25 20:37:28 2001

Message:
You astound me with your level of intellectual answers.  I think 
that the thugs in our primary school do better than that at 
being funny.

You been giving out blow jobs tonight?  The jizm is sure pouring 
outta that smelly rancid fat red-neck sad excuse of a broken jaw 
of yours.  Spin on it bwah.  We know you like it.

From: om/cf
To: all & UK Voices
Subject: UK Voices
Date: Sun Nov 25 20:12:54 2001

Message:
Are the above posts from the famous UK Vomit? I dont think
I've seen any of his posts but saw the handle pop up once
in a while back when walter went to the edge of the cliff
but wouldnt jump.
 Sir UK, have you always had a artificial penis fancy? You
must be a collector of fine fake penises. More power to ya.
 But please take it out of your arse now and type with both
hands on your smelly brown stained keyboard or walter will
cast a spellcheck on you.
 To all: Was bin Laden in Kunduz? (www.frontierpost.com)

From: UK Voices
To: Sick Nutters
Subject: Reposting to remind you of what you are....
Date: Sun Nov 25 20:46:09 2001

Message:
I must congratulate you guys on this chat room.  You have been 
fine upstanding boys in the face of attacks on your country's 
symbols of power.  Even though you have been bombed by some 
nutters who wanted to show you that you are just as scared as 
the worst of them, you have stood up, patted each other on the 
back, sang your national anthem and regurgitated words of gung-
ho "Let's get 'em", "dead or alive", "America is peace 
loving", "they are jealous of our freedoms" and "let's nukes the 
f***ers".  Now you are sitting in the Indian ocean, using your 
weapons of mass-destruction (paid for by the rest of the world's 
suffering at american hands) and bombing from a safe distance, 
so indiscriminately that little children are being maimed, 
killed, scarred-for-life and slaughtered in your cowardly name.  
America.  What does it really stand for?  We all know the answer 
to that don't we.  You can't won't send in ground troops because 
your government admits that they got their arses kicked by the 
Taliban.  Why was that then?  Your special forces, elite 
commandos and highly equipped nancy boys found they just didn't 
have balls compared to the Taliban.  Pull your fingers out 
boys.  Grow up.  WE all know that America is a new nation with 
no real history to talk of (not compared to the rest of the 
world anyway) but please don't use the excuse of being young as 
an excuse for being stupid and dumb.  God knows you been given 
everything and each one of you uses up 100 times the world 
energy resources of each citizen in India for example.  Grow up. 
It's time.  If you don't then the world will have to open your 
eyes to reality.  And we know you will cry.  Big buckets of 
tears from the fledgling nation built on the genocide of Red 
Indians.  Proud are you?  Only sickos like you would be proud.

Anyway, I got to go now.  I can't waste my time trying to 
educate a bunch of no-hopers on the other side of the Atlantic.
I've got a life.  Obviously, by now, each one of you is crying 
out to take it.  Well wake up children and get one of your own.

From: Spy
To: UK Vomit Voices
Subject: Hate is as old as humanity---you prove it
Date: Sun Nov 25 20:54:54 2001

Message:
They were created to trigger our most primitive fears - by 
depicting one quarter no mind-human, half-animal 
monsters and one quarter hate that hunted the lies of 
mankind . 

But these horrific creatures differed in one crucial way from 
the warped humanless breasts of the werewolves and 
blood-sucking monsters that populate horror books. These 
creatures were painted by Stone Age peoples more than 
10,000 years ago and represent some of the world's oldest 
known art of UK Vomit Voice. 

The surprising discovery that UK Vomit Voice are as old as 
humanity is the handiwork of researchers who have carried 
out a major analysis of the world's ancient rock art sites.  

'We looked at art that goes back to the dawn of humanity 
and found it had one common feature: animal-barely human 
hybrids,' said Dr Christopher Chippindale, of Cambridge 
University's museum of archaeology and anthropology. 'UK 
vomit Voices,werewolves and vampires are as old as art, in 
other words. These composite beings, from a world  barely 
human and more of rabid dogs, are a common theme from 
the beginning of painting.' 


From: UK Voices
To: om/cf
Subject: Does that stand for "outwardly mental" and "consciously fucked"?
Date: Sun Nov 25 20:51:39 2001

Message:
Bingo shitstick!  You are SO clever (sarcasm again - see 
previous post for explanation) and you are damn right that these 
postings are from the not-so-populare UK Voices.  I see that 
many people here enjoy being not-so-popular but noone enjoys 
being unpopular on this sick board as much as me.

I note that you are also preoccupied with having a brown penis 
stuck up your anal cavity.  Well bwah - at least you removed it 
before spurting out your shitty little post.  I cannot 
understand why you are so perverted.  Come to my country and 
we';; put you in one of our jails where you'll love the 
treatment handed out to you from some of our bigger burlier 
men.  They're more manly than most in your country if the 
reputation of your special forces is anything to go by.

I am impressed with your manners - you rise above your 
guttersnipe brethren by having the sense to call me "Sir UK".  
But wakey wakey little shit stick, flattery will get you nowhere 
with me.  I still piss all over you and tell you to come back 
when you've got something more useful and coherent to say.  Now 
off with you before you get too excited and make a mess over 
your sticky keyboard.

Hey Walter - can you believe this little shit-stick?

From: Spy
To: UK Vomit Voices"You been stickin' your nose up Granmama UK Vomit Voices' cunt again---
Subject: Life just passes you by----
Date: Sun Nov 25 20:58:20 2001

Message:
Rigormortis has already set into your quarter size brain.

From: UK Voices
To: Spy
Subject: What's up? Been reading or something
Date: Sun Nov 25 21:04:57 2001

Message:
Wow Spy, you are to be congratulated this time on your post 
being readable and your sentences actually having continous 
threads of more than 10 words.  Nice and well spaced out with a 
quaint little story around the concept.  Good use of paragraphs 
too.  I was so impressed that you've come a long way from your 
last postings on this board.  Then it became obvious that you're 
just copying some article from somewhere and replacing some 
words with your own.  I am most definitely not impressed by your 
little schoolboy trick.  My teacher would have sent you out of 
the room.  But don't you worry your little head my friend, I 
will not tell you to leave.  You can stay 'cos I think you need 
the lessons of this board more than most people need air.

Oh, do excuse me, did I miss your opint?  Were you actually 
trying to say something?  Would you like to say it again but 
with a bit more interest included? Did that hurt?  Are you 
crying?  Do I care?  Do I heck!

Now piss off - you've got school in the morning and your parents 
are going to ground you for using foul language.  Tell me, what 
high school are you at?  And have you managed to stop drooling 
over that fat cheerleader yet or are you still masturbating over 
the thought of asking her out?

Spare me the details little boy.  Just grow up .....quickly.

From: Spy
To: UK Vimit Voices
Subject: I see yer at a loss for words and had to dig out one of your first post from weeks ago
Date: Sun Nov 25 21:07:26 2001

Message:
Probaly cause ya just been to busy workin' with the kids 
sockets again 'ey. Gettin' them ready for that next big porno 
film. Your child porno laws must be lax over there.

From: Spy
To: UK Vomit
Subject: The point is that you are a satanic hate filled no brain useless asshole !!!
Date: Sun Nov 25 21:19:35 2001

Message:

From: U.K.Citizen
To: U.K.Voices
Date: Sun Nov 25 21:25:26 2001

Message:
What do you feel you bring to this board, tell me, calmly, as 
best you can, how you can justify what you've been saying and 
the manner in which you say it? 

From: UK Voices
To: Spy
Subject: Thank you for replying
Date: Sun Nov 25 21:31:13 2001

Message:
I'm going to sleep now - happy that your cage is suitable 
rattled.


From: Spy
To: UK Voices
Subject: Hey IDIOT !!---before ya go nitety-nite
Date: Sun Nov 25 21:37:51 2001

Message:
I think it's just the greatest thing that I can get you ta respond 
to uk vomit,uk vomit voices, uk fuck face,etc. At least you 
know WHAT you are.

Now you go rest that quarter size brain of yours----it must be 
MAXED right out.

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Walter
Subject: UK Voices
Date: Sun Nov 25 21:45:52 2001

Message:
I'm sorry to have to land you in this, but do you have any 
thoughts as regarding U.K.Voice's atitiude and behaviour? Your 
thoughts on this matter would be very much appreciated.

From: Zion's Army Wins Again!
To: Mohammed Loosers and all Goyim!
Subject: http://www.aipac.org/Action1.cfm
Date: Sun Nov 25 21:46:04 2001

Message:
:^D  HA HA HA HA HA  !  !  !  !  !

ZION WINS! ISLAM LOOSES!

:^D  HA HA HA HA HA  !  !  !  !  !

:^D  HA HA HA HA HA  !  !  !  !  !

:^D  HA HA HA HA HA  !  !  !  !  !

AFGAN GETS BOMBED!
ISRAEL GETS GOLD !

:^D  HA HA HA HA HA  !  !  !  !  !


Thank you for paying for our armies and New weapons once again!
(We enjoy selling the other stuff to China for a nice profit!)

A House-Senate conference committee considering the 2002 foreign 
aid bill approved Israel s aid package of $2.04 billion in 
military aid and $720 million in financial assistance. The 
lawmakers also approved provisions that recommend sanctions 
against the Palestinian Authority or PLO if the President 
determines that those entities have failed to substantially 
comply with their commitments to halt terrorism and end 
incitement. Once the committee finishes its work on the bill, 
the legisaltion will return to both the House and the Senate for 
final consideration and will then be sent to the President for 
his signature. Urge your members of the House and Senate to vote 
for the final passage of the bill.  

:^D  HA HA HA HA HA  !  !  !  !  !

:^D  HA HA HA HA HA  !  !  !  !  !

:^D  HA HA HA HA HA  !  !  !  !  !

God Bless America!
Keep all that money coming to Israel!

There are still lots of women, children and old Muslim men 
alive around here...

We need all your money and tax dollars!

God Bless America!
God Bless Israel!

As for
Taliban and Osama Bin - gonna be gone!
See Ya
Wouldn't wanna be ya!

ALWAYS REMEMBER!
ZOG RULES AMERICA!










From: om/cf
To: Sir Vomit
Date: Sun Nov 25 21:26:55 2001

Message:
Keep your big brown penis fantasy to yourself bwah. I never
mentioned it bwah. Also keep your intimate knowledge of 
the penal system for your own bwah. But that does give me
much insight into the dildo fancy you have. Now grab the one
you like best and go to bed before mummy takes it away.
 You come across as making an excellent professional
wrestling manager, think of the power you would yield over
all your big burly men! I piss on you too sir, only longer
and harder. OOOPs didnt mean to get you all excited.

From: theE.S.D.
To:
Subject: InTheNews
Date: Sun Nov 25 22:16:56 2001

Message:
UK troops still 'ready' for Afghanistan:
==============================================
"The UK will continue to play a significant military role in 
Afghanistan with troops "ready and willing" for deployment, 
Downing Street has said. 

The prime minister's official spokesman said the situation 
in Afghanistan seemed to be "going in the right direction" 
both militarily and diplomatically. 

And he dismissed reports of friction between British and US 
officials on how and when troops should be deployed. 

"In terms of co-operation I think everyone involved in this 
period is of the view that British and American co-operation 
has never been better," he said. 

He spoke as Commons Leader Robin Cook expressed 
scepticism that British troops could be used alongside US 
forces against Taleban fighters in their stronghold of 
Kandahar. 

There has been much confusion in recent days over the 
possible role of UK troops in Afghanistan. 

About 100 or so Special Boat Service troops are at Bagram 
airport in Afghanistan, and about 6,000 more troops have 
been on 48-hour standby in the UK for some time. 

There have been reports of growing frustration among 
British officials that the US has been blocking a larger 
deployment of UK troops. 

The spokesman said any decision to deploy UK troops 
would depend in the first place on whether US General 
Tommy Franks felt they were needed. 

Mr Cook told BBC One's The War Report British troops were 
unlikely to be used in Kandahar. 

Kandahar speculation 

"If you look back over the past month there has been no 
situation in which we have put British troops into the ground 
civil war and I don't myself imagine that's going to change," 
he told 

He said there may be no need for large numbers of troops 
to protect aid convoys because food was now getting 
through to the people of Afghanistan "in sufficient quantity", 
he said. 

I think we should welcome the fact that their (UK troops') 
presence has not been needed in Afghanistan
Robin Cook 

British troops remained on standby but the situation was 
"better than anybody could have hoped for". 

He added: "We will continue obviously to keep the situation 
under review but frankly I think we should welcome the fact 
that their presence has not been needed in Afghanistan." 

Mr Cook was speaking in response to Sunday newspaper 
reports that British paras could fight alongside American 
troops surrounding the Taleban in Kandahar. 

US chiefs of staff believe a joint force of 25,000 is needed to 
defeat Taleban fighters there, according to the Sunday 
Telegraph. 

They want the 2nd Battalion Parachute Regiment - known 
as 2 Para - to encircle the movement, along with elite US 
troops from the 101st and 82nd Airborne Divisions, the 
paper reported. 

On Saturday Downing Street and the Ministry of Defence 
said no decision could be made until after Tuesday's 
meeting between Afghan leaders in Bonn, Germany, which 
would discuss the establishment of an interim government 
in the war-torn country. 

The spokesman played down hopes of a major 
breakthrough at the talks - saying that to get the various 
sides there was in itself a major achievement. 

"No-one's pretending they're going to make rapid progress," 
he said. 

==============================================
source: UK Politics 

From: BBC
To: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_1664000/1664443.stm
Subject: ISRAEL SHARON TO FACE CHARGES OF WAR CRIMES
Date: Sun Nov 25 21:46:04 2001

Message:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_1664000/1664
443.stm
Sharon 'summoned' by Belgian court

 
Sharon was indirectly to blame, an Israeli inquiry found

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is being summoned to a 
Belgian court to answer questions over his role in the 1982 
Sabra and Shatila massacres, say Belgian media reports. 
Two separate claims against Mr Sharon are being brought under a 
1993 Belgian law, which allows war crimes and genocide to be 
tried in Belgium, even if the events took place elsewhere, and 
even if none of the victims was Belgian. 

A hearing has been set for 28 November, and Mr Sharon is 
expected to be issued with summons documents by the Belgian 
ambassador to Israel, says Le Soir newspaper. 

Belgian magistrate Patrick Collignon has been investigating the 
two cases, initially to determine whether he has jurisdiction in 
the case. 



Ariel Sharon failed to prevent the attack, an Israeli inquiry 
found
 
The first case, charging Mr Sharon with responsibility for the 
deaths, was lodged by a group of Palestinians, Lebanese, 
Moroccans and Belgians. 

The second suit, which alleges crimes against humanity, genocide 
and war crimes, was filed by 23 survivors of the massacres and 
five eyewitnesses. 

The massacres took place in two refugee camps in Lebanon which 
were home to thousands of Palestinians. 

Three months after after Israeli troops invaded Lebanon in 1982, 
the camps were stormed by Christian militiamen. 

Sharon resigns 

They shot and killed an estimated 800-1,500 of the refugees. 

Mr Sharon was Israeli defence minister at the time. An Israeli 
investigation in 1983 found him indirectly but "personally" 
responsible for the deaths, and he was forced to resign. 

Le Soir says the two separate summonses have been left with the 
Belgian ambassador, Wilfried Green, but are expected to be 
delivered shortly. 

The case has left the Belgian administration walking on 
eggshells, the paper says. 

Belgian diplomacy 

At the same time as preparing to serve the summonses, Belgium - 
as European Union president - is spearheading a new diplomatic 
effort to restore the peace process. 

Belgian Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt is heading a senior EU 
delegation on a Middle East tour which has included top-level 
talks in Israel. 

The delegation, which left Israel on Monday, has held separate 
talks with Mr Sharon and Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat. 

At the court hearing on 28 November, a Belgian grand jury is 
scheduled to decide whether the court has jurisdiction in the 
case. 

Mr Sharon's Belgian lawyer is challenging the court's right to 
be involved, and the Belgian investigation has been suspended in 
the meantime. 

The Mayor of Jerusalem, Ehud Olmert, has angrily attacked the 
Belgian Government over the affair, accusing Mr Verhofstadt of 
heading a "government of bastards". 

From: theE.S.D.
To:
Subject: OnLineNews
Date: Sun Nov 25 22:58:27 2001

Message:
http://www.abc.net.au/ra/newsdaily/s425411.htm

From: U.K.Citizen
To: theE.S.D.
Subject: Your U.K report..and other matters.
Date: Sun Nov 25 22:32:36 2001

Message:
Your last report in relation to the U.K. military's involvement 
in Afghanistan is spot on. From what I understand you are 
absolutely correct. Of the 6,000 troops mentioned as being 
available for rapid deployment only the elite parchaute 
regiment, 2 para, noted for it's acheivements in recapturing the 
Falkland Islands in the early 80's has been put on 48 hour stand 
by until December, at least. 

(Digressing):-

Pending a possibly unsatisfactory outcome of the forthcoming 
meeting in Bonn, this unfortunatly would only prolong the reign 
of Warlords who have much to gain from inaction. Such warlords 
it appears, are mercinaries with transient ideologies and would 
swap sides to their best advantage. A report in the LA Times 
earlier this week stated that impoverished farmers near the 
foothills east of Jalalabad and elsewhere in eastern Afghanistan 
are ready to step up production of poppy seeds. (Ironically, 
Heroin production and trafficing actually fell rapidly, when the 
Taliban held sway). The seeds are refined by sympathetic 
elements in nothern Pakistan who in tandem with those complicit 
in Afghanistan, ferry Heroin through its Northern and Western 
borders especially, to ultimately reach its destination, 
the 'west', where far greater profit can be made. Farmers get 
paid 10 times more for producing poppy seeds than for producing 
wheat, at present. In the meantime certain warlords with dubious 
moral codes would be rubbing their hands with glee at the 
prospect of controlling drug-trafficing territory. Prolonged 
inaction, or lack of progress at the diplomatic level, could 
prove very costly.

    

From: Walter
To: U.K.Citizen
Subject: Walter/U.K.Voices?
Date: Sun Nov 25 22:46:33 2001

Message:
Some people believe that we are the same person.I can't stop 
that;people will believe what they want to,but compare the 
posts,if you will.
 I must comment though,on a couple of things:U.K.Voices:You can't 
won't send in ground troops because 
                 your government admits that they got their arses 
kicked by the 
                    Taliban.  Why was that then?  Your special 
forces, elite 
                commandos and highly equipped nancy boys found 
they just didn't 
                   have balls compared to the Taliban.
_________________________________________________________________
Of course they wouldn't send in ground troops after the taliban!
Those guys have been fighting over there for the last 20 
years,and have much more experience in ground warfare than our 
troops do.They have to,because they have no Air Force to speak 
of.If they did,they don't now.Unfortunately for them.......we 
do.(LOL!!)Of course we are using weapons of mass 
destruction,that's what you do in a war.The Taliban had chance 
after chance to give up bin Laden,but they wanted to play 
games,so now they're getting killed.I guess it was our move?
 Now some are upset that the Taliban are getting murdered over 
there by the Northern Alliance;what the fuck did they THINK was 
going to happen?All I know is,I don't want a fuckin ONE of them 
in this country for their"trial",so if the Alliance kills them 
all,good riddance.If they bring bin Laden to America for 
trial,believe me,he will not live to see the end of the trial.
Also: God knows you been given --------(Given? We took it!)
                   everything and each one of you uses up 100 
times the world 
                energy resources of each citizen in India for 
example.-----------Yes that's true;and I also eat cows.I want 
mine KIng Size,with lettuce,ketchup,cheese,and with an extra 
order of fries.Different cultures,different beliefs.
 My basic complaint has been with America's willingness to change 
the Constitution and Bill of Rights to accomodate the present 
situation.
 

From: theE.S.D.
To: U.K.Citizen
Subject: http://www.vor.ru/English/lter.html
Date: Sun Nov 25 23:49:20 2001

Message:
"... U.S. and British forces have launched fierce attacks on Al 
Qaeda-controlled terrorist training camps and Taliban's 
military facilities. As one of the world's civilized citizens, I fully 
understand and support America's just actions. Taliban is 
the most vicious regime in the world..." 
Chun-Quan Meng, China 

"The Taliban was actually a unifying force in a land scarred 
by years of conflict and initially seemed to be an 
improvement, but their very warped interpretation of Islamic 
principles does not agree with the views of most people. 
Sheltering terrorists is no way to behave in a civilized 
society."
Charles and Barbara Ellis, U.K. 

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Walter
Subject: Re: UK Voices
Date: Sun Nov 25 23:53:39 2001

Message:
Thanks very much for your reply. I'm sorry I had to ask..I just 
hope you can appreciate why I had to. You've analysed his 
thoughts well and you've answered my queries at least to that 
extent. I obviously cannot speak for others, as you can 
appreciate. I don't want you to get caught in the crossfire 
unnecassarily regarding UK Voices. I personally, shall not raise 
this matter again. Once again, my apologies sir.

With more activity on the board of late, it is more difficult 
with time constraints to reply or at least to directly 
acknowledge the posts of everyone, including of course yourself. 
You perhaps may not be fussed as to whether I reply to you or 
not, but just for the record it's nothing intentional, should 
you mind. I, like you, certainly read everybody's posts and I 
know after our last 'conversation' you left a post regarding 
terrorism, which I shall at the very least look through (thru).

If I may, some of our opinions (yours and mine that is), may 
differ, others may not. As I said before I personally am not 
here to change people's minds. I don't see it as a problem if 
people don't agree with each other. Agreement from everybody 
would be asking a lot, not that it wouldn't be great. 
Collectively, all we can hope for is to increase our collective 
understanding, over time, just a little bit.

Till next time.

U.K.Citizen.   

From: U.K.Citizen
To: theE.S.D.
Subject: Your last post..
Date: Mon Nov 26 00:31:45 2001

Message:
Quite, I hope this time world learns it's lesson, that this 
country has to be watched, and helped,...by the entire world 
that is....

I shall refer to the site in your last post, thank you.

P.S. If I cannot reply to your posts, I will have at the very 
least read through them.

From: EagleEye
To: UK Vomit gurgler
Subject: Zero
Date: Sun Nov 25 22:46:15 2001

Message:
Vomit ........ Glad to see the missus has been out working so 
you could afford your AOL bill and get back online.  Did her 
pimp hook her up with another terror cell .....? I see that 
you've already run out of ilk to spew ... youve resorted to 
repeating yourself.

From: Walter
To: U.K.Citizen
Date: Mon Nov 26 01:08:22 2001

Message:
Thank you for your reply.No apology needed.Being One person gets 
me in enough trouble as it as.

From:
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Subject:
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