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From: Exhausted
To: uk voices
Subject: Don't know why I bother.
Date: Wed Nov 7 00:16:52 2001

Message:
Well, I wasn't going to reply, but couldn't lump this in with 
EagleEye...

UK Voices, if you are in fact taking the time to read this - I'm 
glad you stopped by to find out how big of a moron you 
proved yourself to be and to back it up with further evidence 
of your own stupidity once more. I'm glad that most Brits are 
worlds more intelligent than you'll ever be. I am actually 
quite thankful for your intelligence organizations, your 
military, your politicians, but could certainly do without the 
likes of you. I'm sorry that you have to hang out with people 
as ignorant as yourself to feel validated. 
Come again, or don't come again, your content so far has 
made no significant impact to this board. Feel the love.

From: EagleEye
To: allatti2d
Subject: Thanks for your message
Date: Wed Nov 7 00:45:01 2001

Message:
... too bad its likely "Pearls before swine" .......

Bat boy .... hahahahaha

The Guardian - bastion of intellectual investigative reporting 
to be sure.

From: exhausted
To: Allatti2d
Subject: good analogy
Date: Wed Nov 7 00:45:01 2001

Message:
Hey there, that analogy to battered wife syndrome is a good 
one for those in america or elsewhere who need to feel that 
somehow our misery is our fault. I am sorry that you had to 
experience that first-hand and I am glad that you are out of 
that situation (now I know why you are far better off now than 
2 years ago). You have been a caring, intelligent contributor 
to the voices of this page. I guess another intense analogy 
is the feeling of some that if a woman is raped and was 
dressed provocatively, that she deserved it. In both cases 
people blame the victim for the crime committed against 
them. I personally think all views like that are dispicable. 
Thank you for your input.

On a side note, it sure was wild to see those gigantic 
bombs they're dropping now. There is no doubt that that is 
causing some serious damage to the Taliban frontlines. 
Maybe we can get the show on the road. I almost wish we 
could go ahead and send in some troops who know what 
they're doing rather than let the Northern Alliance play 
around forever. Does anyone know how long it takes to get 
trained to go fight in a war? I'm really thinking of joining up if 
I can convince my wife to let me.

God bless everyone. it's late, I'm tired and I love everybody.
Peace...eventually.

From: EagleEye
To: Daisy | exhausted
Subject: Gotta love the internet .....
Date: Wed Nov 7 00:52:38 2001

Message:
Daisy - loved it brutha.  I might even be interested in 
liquidating more of my CISCO position just so Uncle Sam gets a 
big enuff chunk o' jing to buy a few more of those babies.  
Think thats what they meant by Internet revolution? BLU's ....I 
hear its actually kinda of a good thing for the Afghan economy 
too.  Think of all the glass they'll be able to recycle?

exhausted - Gets some freakin sleep! :-) UK Voices - if nothing 
else entertaining. Perfect example of mouth overloading ass eh?

From: John
To: NY'ers - Justice USA - et al
Subject: Bloomberg Wins New York
Date: Wed Nov 7 01:16:51 2001

Message:
Bloomberg Wins New York

NEW YORK    Republican billionaire Michael Bloomberg was elected 
New York mayor Tuesday, notching an improbable victory over a 
veteran Democratic politician to take over the city's recovery 
from the World Trade Center attack. 

******

I wish to personally thank Mr. Justice USA for voting early and 
often.  Thank you sir.

******

Now a personal observation:  NY'ers, by a 5 to 1 margin are 
liberals who typically vote democratic.  But when in a dire 
situation the vision clears, they see through the muck, abandon 
the party, and vote Republican.

They did it '93 when voting in Guiliani after democrat Dinkins 
nearly buried the city in bankrupcy, crime and race riots.

And again in 2001 they did it by voting in Bloomberg knowing a 
republican will pull them up and out from catastrophe.

Bloomberg, the republican was down 30 points.  He wasn't even in 
the running because the world was good before 9/11, and they 
forgot how they got to the good place.

Politics and economies cycle like a pendulum.  Why do we have 
suffer such extreemes?
  

John
E pluribus unum

From:
To:
Date: Wed Nov 7 02:33:26 2001

Message:
Politics and economies cycle like a pendulum.  Why do we have 
to suffer such extreemes?
  

John
E pluribus unum

From: John
To: California
Subject: Sure nice having you visit Mr. Davis. So far the damage is limited.
Date: Wed Nov 7 02:40:42 2001

Message:
Reardon has officially thrown his hat in the ring for the 
California governor's seat.  Mayor Reardon (forced out by term 
limits) inherited Los Angeles on the brink similiar to NY and 
saved the city.  

Sure nice having you visit Mr. Davis.  So far the damage is 
limited to limited electricity.


John
E pluribus unum


:-(   a Woodbridge NJ mayor takes over the great Whitman's seat.

From: EagleEye
To: UK Voices [of stupidity]
Subject: http://www.heartland.org/studies/ieguide.htm
Date: Wed Nov 7 04:04:51 2001

Message:
Not that you'll read and understand any of this but .......


Most scientists do not believe human activities threaten to 
disrupt the Earth's climate. 

Over 17,000 scientists have signed a petition saying, in 
part, "there is no convincing scientific evidence that human 
release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is 
causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic 
heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's 
climate." 

The petition is being circulated by the Oregon Institute of 
Science and Medicine, an independent research organization that 
receives no funding from industry. Among the signers of the 
petition are over 2,100 physicists, geophysicsts, 
climatologists, meteorologists, and environmental scientists who 
are especially well-qualified to evaluate the effects of carbon 
dioxide on the Earth's atmosphere. Another 4,400 signers are 
scientists qualified to comment on carbon dioxide's effects on 
plant and animal life. Nearly all of the signers have some sort 
of advanced technical training. 

The qualifications of the signers of the Oregon Institute 
Petition are dramatically better than the 2,600 "scientists" who 
have signed a competing petition calling for immediate action to 
counter global warming. More than 90 percent of that petition's 
signers lacked credentials to speak with authority on the issue. 
The entire list included just one climatologist.(4) 

Over one hundred climate scientists signed the 1996 Leipzig 
Declaration, which stated in part, "there does not exist today a 
general scientific consensus about the importance of greenhouse 
warming from rising levels of carbon dioxide. On the contrary, 
most scientists now accept the fact that actual observations 
from earth satellites show no climate warming whatsoever." 

A survey of 36 state climatologists--scientists retained by 
state governments to monitor and research climate issues-- 
conducted in 1997 found that 58 percent disagreed with the 
statement, "global warming is for real," while only 36 percent 
agreed. A remarkable 89 percent agreed that "current science is 
unable to isolate and measure variations in global temperatures 
caused only by man-made factors."(5) 

From: graham uk
To: all
Subject: ps f**k the queen
Date: Wed Nov 7 04:53:41 2001

Message:
ok uk voices is talking shit but could you please leave 
our queen out of it.

From: EagleEye
To: graham UK
Subject: God Save the Queen .....
Date: Wed Nov 7 06:09:57 2001

Message:
"ok uk voices is talking shit but ...."

Thats usually what happens when one's[voices] head is ensconced 
in the anus.

Ok - for all the respectable Brits - Queen is considered off 
limits, but you need to get your countryman [if you'll admit to 
having him as such] UK Voices of Ignorance aka Kyoto Hoto in 
line.

From: Ashraf
To: All
Subject: ...
Date: Wed Nov 7 06:09:15 2001

Message:
Hi guyz..

Having read your comments, I am sorry to say that I had over 
rated your your ability to converse. Each one of you thinks that 
he knows it all. Sadly enough, you dont. You brag about your 
freedom of speech, but when someone has something to say that is 
not of your liking, 
you'll have some of you trying to find his IP address, or 
location 
or asking the FBI to track him down, 
or gang-up to scare him away into dumbfoundedness,
or using his name to put up your own posts, holding your own 
opinion,
or trying to make fun of him some way or the other,
or swearing and cursing with words he himself would not use,
or advising others not to go into chat rooms to talk,
or classifying him as being a terrorist, not like the word has 
even been defined yet..

Is this your alleged freedom of speech???

What you fail to understand is that freedom of speech is meant 
to force or to try to force ones self into listening, not just 
reading nor just hearing, the other party's point of view, in 
order for your points of view to come closer together. After you 
find common grounds, thereafter, sorting out your differences 
becomes an almost secondary issue, coz you could be on the same 
side, but not even know it..

What you fail to understand, is how you reacted to Tommy's 
question. You kept pounding him with your hollow remarks, until 
John basically said: Stop guyz, I think he's gotta a valid 
point. If I remember correctly, even John got a beating too.. 
You lose nothing, and gain everything, when you listen for 1 
more minute, before you speak to judge someone..

What you fail to understand is that others might not swear back 
at you, because they have self-respect, and not coz they dont 
know how to say: you %&*$#@!%!!!...

What you fail to understand or comprehend is that I would shoot 
Usama Bin Laden between the eyes, without hesitation, had he 
actually carried out the attacks on the WTC.. 

What you fail to understand is that I respond to those of my own 
Muslim faith, who express their support for Usama Bin Laden, via 
quotes from the Holy Quran and the Sunna (sayings of the Prophet 
Mohammed May peace be Upon Him and Jesus).. Check out the posts 
on wtc, between me and Shiraz..


What you fail to understand, is that the invitation I made to 
chat, was a sincere attempt to get to know each other better, to 
have closer points of view, to learn of matters that I had not 
thought about, to see things from your angle, and vise versa..

Peace..

From: ZION FORCES ADVANCE AGAINST NEW YORK CITY! ! !
To: NEW YOUR CITY FALLS UNDER THE CONTROL OF ZION FORCES!
Subject: Congradulations to Mayor Bloomburg!
Date: Wed Nov 7 07:10:31 2001

Message:
ZION FORCES ADVANCE AGAINST NEW YORK CITY! ! !

NEW YOUR CITY FALLS UNDER THE CONTROL OF ZION FORCES!

Well Muslims and other GOYIM  (Non-Israeli) people, it's true. 

Israel wins again!
New York City is ours!
HA HA HA HA!

Michael Bloomberg of New York City, Wins GOP NYC Mayoral Race!!!
Michael Bloomberg of New York City, Wins GOP NYC Mayoral Race!!!
Michael Bloomberg of New York City, Wins GOP NYC Mayoral Race!!!

Michael Bloomberg is a supporter
of the largest Jewish and 
largest Zionist organization
in the U.S.A.
and In Israel, 
they support the Hadassah s Tel Yehudah Camp and Hadassah 
Organization.
See:
http://www.hadassah.org/NEWS/releases/081199.htm
http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/newscontent.php3?artid=4842

Well, Bin Laden, now what?!
The Hebrews gain control over another USA City.
Guess your really screwed now?!
ALL Arabs are loosing any hope for the future.
YOU ARE THE WEAKEST LINK!
GOOD BYE!
Sorry Mohammed, 
no space in this place for you!

And the white people and blacks, 
Asians and Mexicans don't even know it.
Why?
BECAUSE WE WONT TELL THEM! HA HA HA!
Yes, they continue to get brainwashed with our pro-Israeli 
propaganda.

NBC had a Nazi - Jew story on just last weekend.  
? WHY ?
That War ended Oh, over 50 years ago? 
And it was RUSSIA and GERMANY and USA
Who suffered the most from that war.
Not the Israelis,
we got a fresh new country out of the deal!
And all we need to do to get more money,
is make more sad stories of big bad German Nazi's!

Why show such Anti-German, pro Israel dogma now?
Germany is the friend of the U.S.A., right?
Why pound on the mistakes of the distant past?
Why?
To build more support for Zionists!!!
HA HA HA!
MORE POWER TO ISRAEL,
AMERICAN PUPPETS! 

Germany is ready to give almost 5,000 troops + equipment in 
support of U.S.A.
The German Economy is strong, Germany is our friend, and is good 
to all peoples.

God Bless Russia!  We Love you! 
God Bless Germany! We Love you!
God Bless USA! We Love you!

Do you love Israel?

Well it doesn't matter what you think, MORON!
Israel advances and takes control of USA Government!
Israel advances and takes control of USA TV/RADIO/PRINT MEDIA!
Israel advances and takes control of USA schools!
Resistance is Meaningless!
YOU ARE ALREADY THE SERVANTS OF ISRAEL!

THANK YOU AMERICA FOR BUYING A ISRAEL A NEW COUNTRY!
THANK YOU FOR $77 BILLION DOLLARS OF AID!
KEEP MAILING THOSE CHECKS !
KEEP PAYING YOUR TAXES, 
YOUR MASTER ISRAEL NEEDS THE MONEY!

Congradulations to Mayor Bloomburg!
Congradulations to Mayor Bloomburg!
Congradulations to Mayor Bloomburg!

God Bless Israel!
Soon you will control all of the USA,
and the sleeping, stupid, animal GOYIM
will never even know it,
Because we wont tell them! 

:^D  HA HA HA HA HA HA!

IT IS SO FUNNY I CANT STOP LAUGHING! 

Soon, Mr. Bloomburg can run for President!

GUESS WHAT HAPPENS 
WHEN AN ISRAELI ZIONIST BECOMES
PRESIDENT OF THE U.S.A. ! ? !

HINT:

 :-) Many more loyal Muslims get to Meet Allah! :-)
     With a free one way ticket
     bought by the U.S.A. + Israeli Armies!


God Bless Israel!
God Bless the U.S.A.!

Soon peace will come
When Israel rules the day!

Thank you U.S.A.!
God Bless the U.S.A.!

From: Ashraf
To: All
Subject: ...
Date: Wed Nov 7 06:58:13 2001

Message:
For all those still interested in finding common grounds, I'll 
be online from 1pm to 8pm GMT today, 7-11-01. My hotmail account 
is: TheLegalTranslator@hotmail.com..

Peace..

From: Ashraf
To: All
Subject: ...
Date: Wed Nov 7 06:58:13 2001

Message:
For all those still interested in finding common grounds, I'll 
be online from 1pm to 8pm GMT today, 7-11-01. My hotmail account 
is: TheLegalTranslator@hotmail.com..

Peace..

From: U.K.Citizen
To: John
Subject: Re: Iran
Date: Wed Nov 7 07:03:11 2001

Message:
Reading your piece relating to Iran, I also recall seeing a 
correspondant's report from that country some months ago 
regarding the younger section of its population. It broadly 
stated that, there had been a pronounced move away from wanting 
an overbearing theocratic state to a more liberal, 'western' if 
you will, approach to living. Women wearing western style dress 
and make-up in public is not an uncommon sight, as an example. 
That has all happened naturally, its people have CHOSEN to have 
it that way, with no prompting from anyone outside it's borders.

Point of debate: I can't speak as an expert on the country but 
prior to Sept 11, young and old alike in large 
majority 'despised' the Taliban regime bordering them. The main 
reason being, lucrative heroin trafficing by the Taliban gangs, 
which were and probably still are, harming a section of their 
nation's youth, as it has done in many other countries. Given 
time, the Iranian authorities in some fashion would, I 
understand, would have acted in their own interests against the 
Taliban. In the context of the U.S.A's and its allies direct 
intervention in Afganistan, full-scale bombing etc, do you in 
your opinion, and from information that you've gleaned, think 
that Iran's youth will remain supportive of America et al under 
the current circumstances indefinately?

John, for reference, if I state a 'point of debate' formally, it 
means I either mostly don't have a fixed view on the subject or 
it's a point for the sake of debate only.

As a kind of related topic, I would like to acknowledge Turkey's 
involvement in the current crisis, having seen them make a 
commitment in the Gulf War of providing strategic bases for the 
Allies to operate from, they have gone a few steps further and 
have provided their own 'special forces' units for the effort 
against the Taliban. They are of course a predominantly Islamic 
country but 'secular' never the less, which in my opinion is 
something to be applauded. Their cherished aim is to become part 
of the European Union, an aim in which they have failed in 
achieving so far. Human rights abuses are commonly sited as a 
reason for exclusion, I don't know how much that is an issue any 
more, I have no direct knowledge. Assuming the human rights 
abuse allegations can be resolved, it would in my opinion, be a 
black mark on the honour all of us in Western Europe if their 
exclusion from the E.U remained indefinately. In the current 
circumstances the importance of having Islamic allies, ie; 
nation states, in the world, is vital.

May I lastly, also acknowledge Germany's contribution of 3900 
military personnel being put towards the effort in Afganistan. 
It all helps.        

From: U.K.Citizen
To: EagleEye
Subject: Gratitude
Date: Wed Nov 7 08:48:01 2001

Message:
To those who have risked their lives and have often had to make 
the ultimate sacrifice to fight for the freedom we sometimes all 
take for granted, and to those loved ones left behind who pay a 
price just as high, we thank you. 

From: allatti2d
To: Ashraf
Date: Wed Nov 7 08:31:34 2001

Message:
Ashraf, you said:
>> the invitation I made to 
chat, was a sincere attempt to get to know each other better, to 
have closer points of view, to learn of matters that I had not 
thought about, to see things from your angle, and vise versa.. <<

There are angry people on this board who sometimes take a little 
while to cool off and listen; such is the world.  There are some 
morons who come on this board to just vandalize it; such is the 
world.  You seem to feel you know so much about people and have 
your views on things and claim to want to get to know some 
people and have an intellectual conversation, yet you also said:
>> Each one of you thinks that he knows it all. << [as well as 
judging each individual here in a like manner]

You have just proven yourself a liar, sir.  You contradict 
yourself.  You would rather see everyone on this board as one 
person, as a single representation of America, just as UK Voices 
wanted to do.  Well, I have news for you, my ignorant friend.  
America is built upon differences... ALL Races, ALL Beliefs, ONE 
Country -- something I believe is a more advanced civilization 
than most from the past.  I stand side by side with my Muslim 
friends, Jewish friends, Black friends, Latino friends, Asian 
friends, united by soil and respect for one another -- something 
you have yet to learn about.

You claim to want to get to know us better.  Well, sir, open 
your eyes and read the freakin board.  Weed out the vandalism 
and the jokes, and you'll see intelligent, factual posts made by 
a plethora of individuals with a variety of beliefs that don't 
even always jibe with each other.  The one thing that we all 
seem to agree on is the FACT that America was attacked by 
terrorists, and that led to a proactive choice to get rid of 
terrorists in the world who would attack innocents.

If you think that binLadin isn't responsible for these attacks, 
then you are pitifully misled.  I tell you, though, even if he 
weren't responsible for the WTC attacks, he is certainly 
responsible for many other terrorist attacks - the killing of 
innocents and supporting terrorism, for which he should be 
punished.  However, there is enough evidence to convict the guy 
for the WTC several times over, but you won't look at that.  If 
someone blamed you for killing 5,000 innocent people, wouldn't 
you stand up and say, "Hey, no, I didn't do that!"?  I sure 
would!  If one of your friends was accused of that, wouldn't you 
talk him into standing up for himself and speaking the truth 
about what happened to exonerate himself from blame?  That's not 
the evidence I speak of, but it's common sense.  The evidence 
speaks for itself.  Why don't you spend your time and energy 
looking at facts?

I'll tell you why I have no desire to have a 'chat' with you.  
It would be the same thing if I got into a discussion with 
someone about abortion, or the death penalty, or extreme 
politics or extreme religious beliefs, or whether or not it's 
okay to beat up your wife... nothing would be accomplished by it 
except tempers flaring.  You will always be blind to outside 
perspectives other than your own.  You will always believe what 
you want to believe and refuse to take the blinders off.  You 
will be like the ass who will not budge when trying to be led to 
unknown areas.  You have shown me through your posts that you 
are not open to ideas other than your own, and that your goal is 
simply to talk AT others and not WITH others, to make only your 
opinions known and not take the time to consider others' 
opinions.

You want to find common ground for the rest of us while you 
climb up on your mountain and speak.  That is not communication, 
Ashraf.  You came in here stirring people up, not being 
respectful, not with the attitude of wanting to communicate, but 
with the attitude of wanting to preach your views and spew forth 
lies (as in your definition of war on terrorism).  Read this 
board again some time, and you'll find some great discussions.  
I wouldn't be here otherwise, because I have a life and more 
important things to do with it than talk to ignorant people.

Peace ... is relative.

From: snake~~eyes
To: all
Subject: just a bit of comic relief....
Date: Wed Nov 7 10:10:34 2001

Message:
Subject: CNN NEWS

News services are reporting that Osama bin Laden
has been  captured by U.S. Special Forces.
In a covert operation, the entire country of
Afghanistan was  sprayed with Viagra and the little
prick popped right up.

From: John
To: Ashraf et al
Subject: Why do you allow your religion to cloud your sense and ability to distinguish between right and wrong?
Date: Wed Nov 7 09:50:14 2001

Message:
Mr. Ashraf, A chat room is Not needed.  I also will not be 
joining you.  This forum of communication serves us just fine.  
This delay provides you advantages.  Here, you may stop and 
reflect before you speak.  Although, it does not seem you take 
much advatage of.  Take advantage of it Sir.  I personally would 
like you to address the questions and points put forth to you 
prior, of which you just ignore.

Where are you?

Why do you make constant personal reference to knowledge of bin 
Lucifer's location?

Why do you allow your religion to cloud your sense and ability 
to distinguish between right and wrong?  Is the ability to think 
for oneself stripped away when becoming Muslim?  It seems like 
it.  This constant line eminating from the Muslim community -
 "there is no evidence against bin Laden?



John
E pluribus unum


I am short time this AM or I would address global warming, Iran, 
and most important, the nameless poster seeking to rile with -
 "NEW YOUR CITY FALLS UNDER THE CONTROL OF ZION FORCES!"

From: Ashraf
To: allatti2d
Subject: ...
Date: Wed Nov 7 10:13:04 2001

Message:
Thanx for taking the time to write your response to me. Despite 
the fact that I donot agree with you on several points, just as 
much as you dont agree with me, yet I find many of the points 
stated by you to be true, like when I said that you all know it 
all, and thus, contradicting myself.. What I should have done, 
is said is: WE all think we know it all. I agree..

Another point I agree with you on is the fact that there are 
many intelligent posts up here, otherwise, I wouldnt have kept 
going back and forth to and from this site.. eg. John, your 
posts, and several others..

Another point I agree with you on is the fact that I am ignorant 
about many things, but I am not as stubborn as the ass, nor am I 
trying to preach from the top of a mountain. I am expressing my 
point of view, just like you..

The rythem of your post was smooth, save for the last statment 
made that you have better things to do than to waste your time 
chatting to ignorant people. That's me again, I supppose. Again, 
not all who disagree with you, are to be considered by you as 
ignorants, despite my confession of being so..

About the facts that I am supposed to be looking for, I surf the 
net for several hours a day, but I have yet to come across a 
site that presents concrete evidence against OBL. If you know of 
any, please share your knowledge, for I am looking for facts, 
eventhough the second last statement made by OBL, seems to be 
adequately sufficient to pin the whole terrorist attack on him, 
but I refuse to buy the forgotten letter in the luggage bag of 
Mohd. Atta bit..

Whether you believe my words or not, take it from me: I never 
meant to stir-up anybody's emotions, in the negative sense, but 
that kind of a reaction is sometimes inevitably reached by some 
of us, when a matter of this magnitude is discussed, especially 
in the form of posts.. That's why I suggested the chat.. 

I dont share your belief though, that chatting about this, would 
be the same as discussing abortion or the death penalty. Like 
you said, the FACTS are clear, that it is an act of terrorism 
that was committed against the US, and the citizens thereof.. 
Therefore, the basic points are already in place.. Our pillars 
in this topic are the same..

Another thing I liked about your post, is your ability to write 
with out swearing, but still getting your point across, in a 
profound manner..

And by the way, I your misconception of having you think that I 
was addressing all the Americans, by addressing my post: To All, 
is my fault. I meant to address it to my friends above, who 
where kind enough to make me feel like the four lettered word, 
was my middle name.. 

I comprehend their anger.. and yours..

Apologies for all those misled by my words.. I dont blame you, 
for you can only see and judge me by the words I write here.. a 
matter I should have given more consideration to..

Peace.. Unconditionally..

From: Coordinator; notes2nydc.com
To: ALL
Subject: Letters/Drawings to Afghani Children
Date: Wed Nov 7 10:52:41 2001

Message:
I need some help, please....

I'm the coordinator for an international letter-writing 
campaign, asking people to write to folks in NY and DC after 
9/11, but that's not why I'm writing this message.

Several people have asked me if we could/would write letters and 
draw pictures to families (mainly children and mothers) in 
Afghanistan to let them know we are worried about them and 
keeping them in our thoughts. We can find translators for the 
letters, but I know very little about Afghanistan, so I want to 
be sure NOT TO OFFEND ANYONE by doing this. I think we could get 
the UN to drop the letters and drawings off with food supplies --
 AND THERE WOULD BE NO U.S. PROPOGANDA in the notes -- just 
messages and drawings of support and caring (we'd make sure no 
Christian messages were sent, either).

Would this be helpful or a waste of time? What is the rate of 
literacy in Afghanistan? Can women receive mail there? Would it 
be better just to send drawings, and if so, what should they 
contain? There are a lot of moms and kids in the US who really 
want to do something to let moms and kids in Afghanistan and 
other Muslim nations know they are being thought of, and this is 
the only thing we can think of to do -- most of us are on 
limited incomes and unable to send money.

Please let me know what you think -- you can check out the Notes 
to New York website at www.notes2nydc.com or email me with your 
thoughts at khatn@aol.com or notes2nydc@aol.com

Thanks!

Kathryn

From: Ashraf
To: John E
Subject: ...
Date: Wed Nov 7 10:59:33 2001

Message:
Thanx for your post..

I believe you have been misguided.. To answer your first point, 
I never claimed to know the where abouts of Bin Laden. I said 
that I am qualified enough to get him, where ever he was hiding, 
regardeless.. but I would need the help of the riight people to 
do so. I have visited the FBI's sites, visited the sites 
provided to me by Spy earlier, received a few emails from a 
couple of people as well, in relation to this topic, but none of 
them where from competent US sources. Had I not believed I could 
get him, I would not have dared to make such a statement, as the 
back-fire thereof, would be unbearable.. The reasons for which I 
believe I can, I will keep to myself..

By reading your posts, I am sure you are smart enough to put 1 
and 1 together.. enough said.. but I live and work in the UAE.. 
Thanx for the info about my servers address. I got my host from 
www.2mhost.com..

And about my religion depriving me of my ability to distinguish 
right from wrong.. my religion tells me that the evil-doer of 
these terrorist attacks, should be sentenced to death.. Am I ill-
faithed..? like I said before, but I had mistyped it, read the 
posts between me and Shiraz on www.WTCCrisis.com.. If Islam had 
stripped me of the ability to differentiate, I would have been 
on OBL's side, simply coz he's a Muslim..

The constant line eminating from the Muslim community, of their 
being no evidence against OBL is perfectly logical, especially 
considering the fact that Bush has not stepped up with concrete 
evidence to pin point the crime to OBL, and made it seem like he 
doesnt have the required supporting evidence, and on the other 
hand, there is the issue of the media cover up governing by our 
location, coz we are not exposed to the amount of minute to 
minute information that is being provided to you in America..

I hope you understand where I am coming from brother..

Peace to all.. 




From: Ashraf
To: Coordinator; notes2nydc.com
Date: Wed Nov 7 11:23:43 2001

Message:
Kathryn..

I can help you with the translation from English to Arabic. 
That's my job. About the literacy matter, sadly enough, I dont 
think OBL allows women to get an education, despite the fact 
that Islam encourages their education, so I believe that 
pictures would be a good idea..

My email: Ashraf@UAEDesertSafari.com..

Peace..

From: US-MD
To: all
Date: Wed Nov 7 12:38:14 2001

Message:
Poem written after the death of Abraham Lincoln:
 "There is sobbing of the strong,
 And a pall upon the land;
 But the People in their weeping
 Bare the iron hand;
 Beware the People weeping
 When they bare the iron hand." -by Herman Melville 

From: Clara
To: all
Subject: Hi
Date: Wed Nov 7 13:15:38 2001

Message:
Hi I m a german teenager and i want to say all men in world that 
i m very sorry for that what happened at 9th september 2001! 
I ve an afghan in my class and she had been very sorry too! o.K 
thanx and good bye ur Clara

From: Binny
To: Ashraf
Date: Wed Nov 7 13:42:00 2001

Message:
Ashraf, my brother....stay strong and do not waiver...do not 
listen to these infidels...we are one, comrade....our belief is 
all that matters....destroy them that disagree, my 
friend...there is no other way....did you send the supplies 
yet?  these cave rats are starting to taste kinda nasty...

your pal,
Binny

p.s.
can you pick up my tuxedo from the cleaners?

From: camelmart's are us
To: Bin Ladin
Subject: your grocery order
Date: Wed Nov 7 14:10:48 2001

Message:
Dear sir:

We are sorry for the delay in delivering your order for 
groceries, unfortunately our main delivery camel went into 
labour early this morning... praise allah she will deliver 
twins, that way we can triple our delivery force.. 
Until then, I hope you still have a supply left over from the 
cases of Cream of Rock soup, Chicken of the Sand,and Bin in a 
Tin helper... We will be happy to include a wonderful recipe 
book using these new products as a delighful accompaniment to 
the scrawny rats and bats for your dining pleasure..in our next 
delivery free of charge..
This is our way of thanking you for your patronage thru the past 
couple of months.
p.s. please only light one signal fire in front of your cave, 
the last delivery guy we sent out got confused he said there 
were fires everywhere!

Your Habibi

From: sama's mamma
To: camelmart's are us
Date: Wed Nov 7 14:23:26 2001

Message:
bwaaaaaaaa!!!!  oh, that be priceless

From: camelmarts~~are us
To: sama's mamma
Subject: Mothers trust us
Date: Wed Nov 7 14:47:52 2001

Message:
Please dont worry about your son, we will continue to provide 
him with nutritious food, each can of Cream of Rock soup is 
chock full of vitamins and lots of Minerals, so you can sleep 
well at night knowing that your babybin is eating right!

From: Justice USA
To: John
Subject: BLOOMBERG NEW MAYOR
Date: Wed Nov 7 16:28:26 2001

Message:
All right!  I know that he will do a good job.  Have to admit, 
there were some nervous moments there where I was afraid because 
of the "TIE"  between him and Mark Green.  I dislike Mark Green 
vry much PARTICULARLY his acidic remark regarding the WONDERFUL 
MAYOR GUILIANI that he could do it better. (e.g.: WTC ) and I 
dont like his physical appearance either.  Green looks like 
howdy doody on crack.  Thank God, FERRER did not get in, 
otherwise, we would be having a civil war here in New York.  Was 
up all night and eating boxes of AFTER EIGHT mints.  I ate them 
all, left none for the folks on the board.  Sorry, will get a 
new package soon.  I dont feel quite right coming to the board, 
empty handed.  UK VOICES?  I bitched slapped him very good and 
happy to see him not here.  Little crybaby bitch.  OVER AND OUT.

From: John
To: Justice USA
Subject: Bloomberg and what cost Green the election?
Date: Wed Nov 7 17:19:34 2001

Message:
You voted early and often Mr. Justice USA.  I respond to you 
first.

About three days before Green made that disrespectful, 
despicable statement -->  "I could handle the World Trade Center 
crisis as, or rather better than Guiliani", Bill Clinton made a 
similiar remark with regard to the war effort --> "I could 
handle this war better than President Bush, I have much more 
experience with terrorists."

You would have thought during breaks from campaigning for Green, 
Clinton would have said to Green --> "listen Mark, don't say 
anything like I did, the people didn't like it, they know it's 
only wishful thinking on my part, they know it's not so.

One single line cost Green the election.

See folks, see how important words are.

John
E pluribus unum

From:
To: Osama bin Laden
Date: Wed Nov 7 17:49:48 2001

Message:

From: imran
To: all
Subject: haha
Date: Wed Nov 7 18:11:24 2001

Message:
kiss my arse my email is imrank@lineone.net.uk

From: EagleEye
To: ALL
Subject: Imran the freakin troll - same as Ashraf
Date: Wed Nov 7 18:29:19 2001

Message:
do not be fooled or lured into attempting to communicate via 
email with these derilicts.

From: John
To: Ashraf
Subject: I declare that person an enemy to the United States of America, and must be dealt with accordingly.
Date: Wed Nov 7 17:43:47 2001

Message:
You said ---> "The constant line eminating from the Muslim 
community, of their being no evidence against OBL is perfectly 
logical, especially considering the fact that Bush has not 
stepped up with concrete evidence to pin point the crime to OBL, 
and made it seem like he doesnt have the required supporting 
evidence, and on the other hand, there is the issue of the media 
cover up governing by our location, coz we are not exposed to 
the amount of minute to minute information that is being 
provided to you in America..
I hope you understand where I am coming from brother..

******

No BROTHER, I don't understand and NEVER will.  What a 
despicable statement.

The evidence  has been presented for all of the world, including 
the World of Islam to see.  It is now, absolutely, totally not 
needed any longer - anyway.  Usama bin Laden has openly, by 
video tape after tape, message after message, fax after fax, 
declared war on the United States.  WHAT MORE DO YOU OR ANYONE 
NEED?

You know, they know, everyone knows - he's the mass murderer.  
He and al Qaeda IS responsible.  PERIOD.  There is no question.  
There is NO debate.  The questions have been satisfied in full 
when he claimed responsibility by calling for Jihad against the 
West.

And if YOU think there is any question, and this goes for EVERY 
Muslium I ever come across (and to be the position of all 
westerners soon, I believe), if any Muslim claims doubt. I 
define you or them as a terrorists supporter.

There's no question here.  There's no excuse for anyone with a 
minimal education to make the statement --> "there's no 
evidence..."

He created the smoking gun when he declared Jihad.

I make a proclamation today.  A litmus for determining where a 
Muslim sympathies lie is:  "Do you think Usama bin Laden is 
responsible for the World Trade Center destruction?"  If 
answered "no", or answered: "there is no evidence."  I declare 
that person an enemy to the United States of America, and must 
be dealt with accordingly.


John
E pluribus unum

From: John
To: Ashraf
Subject: Get on the right side of this.
Date: Wed Nov 7 18:40:41 2001

Message:
You know Ashraf, you really don't know where this denial is 
going to lead, do you?  Are you going wear the blinders here 
too?  My Allah, man.  This guy is going start a real world war 
between the west and the World of Islam.  And you're going to 
let him, because you won't look past your religion.  If you, an 
educated man cannot accept responsibility, how do you expect 
those who know nothing, have no education, to understand and 
accept responsibility.

If this man and al Qaeda strike us again.  It's all over baby.  
It's all over.  You better get control.  The control starts by 
assuming responsibility, then forming an alliance with the 
United States.

The day of permitting terrorists to terrorize is past.  It will 
not be tolerated.  The United States WILL retaliate.  And next 
time the concern for innocents will not be as important as it is 
presently.  The United States will do any and all needed to 
protect its citizens.  Nothing is off the table.  This is 
serious.  Get with the program.  Assume responsibility for bin 
Laden.  Get on the right side of this.

John
E pluribus unum

From: Justice USA
To: Kathryn
Subject: Afghani Literature
Date: Wed Nov 7 17:30:22 2001

Message:
I am deeply OUTRAGED that you would have the gall to come on 
this board and ask for literature, etc. for afghani kids.  Why 
dont you concentrate on the UNITED STATES children that have 
lost their parents to this butchery?  This is the problem with 
our great USA.  Always worrying about other goddamned countries 
instead of our own.  I have to tell you that your post ripped me 
a new asshole.  I dont appreciate it.  For your information, one 
of my neighbors, lost her twenty three year old daughter that 
found out she was pregnant that very morning to the inferno.  
Now, Kathryn, I support Bush to a certain degree, but I do not 
condone writing or supporting the afghanistan people.  I dont 
give a flying fuck about the women over there either.  Why dont 
you concentrate on helping your fellow Americans instead?  Stop 
being such a fucking bleeding heart for other countries.  Your 
post makes no fucking sense, you are a goddamned idiot.  FUCK 
OFF CUNT!

From: John
To: U.K.Citizen
Subject: Iran
Date: Wed Nov 7 19:03:59 2001

Message:
You said -->  "In the context of the U.S.A's and its allies 
direct intervention in Afganistan, full-scale bombing etc, do 
you in your opinion, and from information that you've gleaned, 
think that Iran's youth will remain supportive of America et al 
under the current circumstances indefinately?

******

I have no opinion at this time.  I honestly do not know what 
information on the matter is made available to them.  I must 
assume the resistance is providing accurate data.  I assume the 
recent dramatic increase of financial support to the resistance 
will assist the effort.

Let's hope.

John
E...





From: Radio Europe
To: John
Subject: right side
Date: Wed Nov 7 19:03:57 2001

Message:
John,

We have the idea that you have done some serious 
research on the abuse of  religion and of Islam in 
particular...

We do not think , however,  that your arguments will sort an 
awful lot of result in this case.

You see, more than a citizen of a particular state, or in this 
case a free-thinking individual, a muslim is a muslim first 
and foremost.
Being so, he will punish a crime, recognised as such by 
islam and committed by another muslim.

He will never raise his hand on another muslim that 
commits whatever crime against a non-muslim, period.

We do not think much of moderate muslims. For they are 
merely silent muslims.
Although there has been all sorts of reactions from different 
sides against terrorism we haven't heard a single muslim 
or muslim state, that has seriously rejected this jihad, 
period.

But that should not withold us from preaching decency and 
dignity....


Radio Europe, from Europe... 

From: Radio Europe
To: John
Subject: Iran
Date: Wed Nov 7 19:27:46 2001

Message:
In one of our earlier posts, ages ago now, we forwarded 
news, probably from "le figaro".

It stated that some five-thousand satelite dishes had been 
confiscated in Iran in three days only.

Radio Europe, from Europe...

From: John
To: Justice USA et al
Subject: Where do they come from? How did they get that way?
Date: Wed Nov 7 19:19:23 2001

Message:
I was window shopping while waiting for my hair appointment the 
other day.  Upon the window of a T-shirt store, can't remember 
the name of the place, something like ...panic, was a sign that 
read:

"Our condolences...   we were all shocked.... blah blah blah...
10% of all sales will be sent to the "blank blank - Animal 
Relief Fund" in New York City.  This organization provides 
housing and needed medical assistance for pets displaced or 
effected by the..."

I became so angry upon reading this.  I wanted to walk into to 
the store, ask for owner, and slap him silly.  Of course, I just 
stared in disbelief, realized I am in LA, said MORON loud enough 
to be heard inside, and walked on.

Where do they come from?  How did they get that way?


John
E pluribus unum.



From: me
To: you
Subject: word
Date: Wed Nov 7 19:24:55 2001

Message:
garbage

From: John
To: Radio Europe
Subject: For they are merely silent muslims.
Date: Wed Nov 7 19:36:08 2001

Message:
You said --> "For they are merely silent muslims."

I know, I know.  Hospitality, Hospitality.

If I am Muslim, and you are Muslim, and I ask for hospitality, 
you must provide hospitality.

******

My anger does not wane with the passage of time.  By greater 
understanding, it intensifies.


John
E...

From: You
To: me
Subject: word
Date: Wed Nov 7 19:50:16 2001

Message:
fuck-fuck-fuck

From: Spy
To:
Subject: "why spy in chat room?"
Date: Wed Nov 7 20:42:16 2001

Message:
why spy in chat room?----
could it be love;
could it be peace;
could it be friends;
could it ka-boom?

why spy in chat room?---
could it be links;
could be me think;
could be it stinks;
could be to doom?

why spy in chat room?

From: Spy
To:
Subject: the{:@(dog
Date: Sun Nov 4 22:10:02 2001

Message:
---kids glow at night.

From: John
To: READERS
Subject: out of context they speak volumes.
Date: Wed Nov 7 22:10:22 2001

Message:
Ms. allatti2d posted these four short paragraphs that need 
repeat.  Even out of context they speak volumes.


You would rather see everyone on this board as one 
person, as a single representation of America.

You claim to want to get to know us better.  Well, sir, open 
your eyes and read the freakin board.  Weed out the vandalism 
and the jokes, and you'll see intelligent, factual posts made by 
a plethora of individuals with a variety of beliefs that don't 
even always jibe with each other.

You will always be blind to outside perspectives other than your 
own.  You will always believe what you want to believe and 
refuse to take the blinders off.  You will be like the ass who 
will not budge when trying to be led to unknown areas. 

Peace ... is relative.

From: EagleEye
To: Ass-Rashf
Subject: Hypocrite, Muslim Hypocrite
Date: Wed Nov 7 23:04:22 2001

Message:
Ohhh the greedy americans - anything for the almighty dollar. 
We're all made filthy rich on the backs of our Pooooor third 
Worlders.  Yeah right.  Guess we learnt from the best - 
Arab/Muslims.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,178227,00.html

Just a little taste of the article:
--------------------------------------------------------------

The industry's hub is the oil emirate of Dubai, home to many 
gangsters from both India and Pakistan who maintain legitimate 
enterprises there but also operate hawala networks. Dubai is a 
free trade zone with no limitations on the movement of goods or 
currency. In the absence of laws expressly prohibiting the 
practice of hawala, it is difficult to track and arrest the 
offenders. And since hawala does not affect the Dubai economy, 
and it's not a priority for local law enforcement. 

Hawala hurts the national economies of developing countries 
desperate for foreign exchange deposits, but every individual in 
the chain has the incentive of earning a commission. And that's 
what keeps the networks going. "People know that salaries cannot 
buy the good things," says Ali, one of thousands of operatives 
in an underground banking world that stretches from New York to 
Tokyo. "You need a little extra." Even at a cost of enabling 
crime and terrorism. 



From: exhausted
To: Ashraf
Subject: good intentions
Date: Wed Nov 7 23:13:48 2001

Message:
Hi Ashraf, I just want to let you know that I appreciate your 
good intentions. I am glad that you are trying to understand 
our anger and would be even more glad if you could take 
care of Bin Laden for us like you say you can. That would be 
great (even though there are more of him). I have to admit 
that I am slightly biased against Islam just from the 
overwhelming negative images that it presents. I had a few 
friends in high school who were Muslim and they were 
sincere and friendly people - so I do not want to be 
prejudiced. If people do not want to join a chat with you, do 
not blame them, because people really do need time to cool 
down before writing (if there is this much frustration and 
anger that comes out in writing with a pause, imagine what 
spontaneous though would do). So, be thankful that there is 
a place to place your opinions and responses. It does seem 
that you are starting to get the message about Bin Laden 
though - he really is a murderer... In America, if someone 
hires a hitman to kill someone, they are prosecuted for 
murder. Even if Bin Laden did not pull the trigger, he hired 
the hitmen. Please let that be evidence enough for you to go 
get him (I mean, not just what I wrote, but the evidence that 
he supported this act, oops). 

Still, I do thank you for your respect of Jesus as a prophet, 
as I believe he was that and more. I believe that God wanted 
for us to know Him and to show that His love for us is so 
great that he would die to reconcile us to Himself. I know 
there is a rift between Muslims, Jews and Christians in 
particular, but sometimes, you just cannot let go of a belief 
for the sake of peace. I now see that you really do mean 
well, but that you are having a hard time getting your 
thoughts across. 

I am very curious though about that definition of terrorism 
you wrote. It really appeared to be written with hateful 
sarcasm, but what do you really think? Do you understand 
John's point that no one in America has seen Muslims 
unabashedly denounce this Jihad and support the ousting 
of terrorism? It really baffles me how the support seems to 
be so lacking. Are you a citizen of the UAE? How do they feel 
about this war? I know war sucks, but sometimes 
something has to be done. Peace would be great - I believe 
that this war is one of the tiny means to that end. 

Please understand that there are many many Americans 
who have only the terrorist acts committed by Muslims to 
serve as a first impression. This is all we see in the public 
eye about Islam - Suicide bombers in Israel, bombing of 
embassies, and Two jumbo airliners flown in to kill our 
people. I am sorry I am too lazy to go back and read all of 
your posts (it is getting harder to sort through), but I do 
remember you starting out with some divisive comments 
that caused an uproar. You are getting a little bit more 
tactful. 

Thank you for trying to clarify your message, it does take 
time. 

Salaam.

From: exhausted
To: sanity
Subject: do I know you?
Date: Thu Nov 8 00:06:58 2001

Message:
My feet hurt. I want to climb the walls, but can't do so well on 
the computer... Everything looks kind of funny when the sun 
goes down, the eyes can sometimes be late to adjust. Pride 
is a potato peeled and left amongst flies to fester. When 
clothed, our fruit is safe and fertile, and we will not dry out in 
the sun. The carpet is growing like green, green grass - 
roots of peace lie just beneath. My paint is peeling with 
noone left to paint me, taint me. I am unworthy of this goal, 
partitioned from myself; my finest rags are putrid. I saw 
some dust today, knew it was a man destroyed and I 
smiled. It made me sick to smile, but I ate of it and will finish 
my dinner. We willed it to happen, we thrill when it happens, 
and we kill to acheive it. All to the greater good is not a joke. I 
see an open door - make sure to leave it open on your way 
in.

From: exhausted
To: all
Subject: slow night
Date: Thu Nov 8 00:25:18 2001

Message:
Not much happenin. No UK voices to make me mad tonight. 
There might even be a morsel of sleep on my pillow. I hope 
all are well and better rested than myself. FREE SOUP!!!!

Kitchen is callin' and I'm wasting space!
I like the SR-71. Freedom from the Taliban!
RED-38...Down...45...BLU-82...Seeeeet-HIKE

BOOOM!!!!

From: John
To: exhausted
Subject: Don't let Usama bin Laden destroy your world.
Date: Thu Nov 8 00:09:16 2001

Message:
You said to Ashraf --> "I am sorry I am too lazy to go back and 
read all of your posts (it is getting harder to sort through), 
but I do remember you starting out with some divisive comments 
that caused an uproar. You are getting a little bit more 
tactful.

******

I staunchly disagree with you.  This man is not becoming more 
tactful with time and posting experience.  Tactful is a 
definition for his first postings.  This mans postings of late 
have been certainly more blunt and seem to be only now 
representing his true thoughts.

In ASHRAF'S last posting he said ---> "The constant line 
eminating from the Muslim community, of their being no evidence 
against OBL is perfectly logical, especially considering the 
fact that Bush has not stepped up with concrete evidence to pin 
point the crime to OBL, and made it seem like he doesnt have the 
required supporting evidence, and on the other hand, there is 
the issue of the media cover up governing by our location, coz 
we are not exposed to the amount of minute to minute information 
that is being provided to you in America..
I hope you understand where I am coming from brother..

******

Now let me see..?  Is that tactful..?  I think not.  But they 
are truthful.  This is what Muslims believe.  And obviously what 
Ashraf believes too.  He is the author...  


*******

Mr. Ashraf,

Now what if this is not the prevailing consensus of the Muslim 
world?   Well, then the Muslims are doing a real bad job 
communicating the message.  But, are they communicating the 
message?  Is the message - no message?  No responsibility?  
And.. no evidence?

That's the message I'm hearing.  But, if that's not the message 
I should be hearing.  Then get working on the message I should 
be hearing.

My anger and Americas anger does not wane with the passage of 
time.  But, by greater understanding, it intensifies.

Don't let Usama bin Laden destroy your world.


John
E pluribus unum


From: BigSky
To: All
Subject: Religion
Date: Thu Nov 8 01:09:25 2001

Message:
My question is how is it that God sanctions all this killing? 
Someone said you sometimes can't give up your beliefs for 
peace--is the alternative mutually assured destruction? 

From: EagleEye
To: Arab/Muslim/Oil Producers
Subject: Can Russia ease OPEC s grip on oil?
Date: Thu Nov 8 01:28:19 2001

Message:
Can Russia ease OPEC s grip on oil?

http://www.msnbc.com/news/654189.asp

Bye Bye

From: John
To: BigSky and Radio Europe
Subject: The only requirement is to be responsible with and for those beliefs.
Date: Thu Nov 8 02:17:19 2001

Message:
BigSky, 

You asked --> "My question is how is it that God sanctions all 
this killing?  Someone said you sometimes can't give up your 
beliefs for peace--is the alternative mutually assured 
destruction?" 

******

God does not santion.  Man has free will.  

No forfeit of beliefs is required.  The only requirement is to 
be responsible with and for those beliefs.

The alternative is not mutual destruction.  I have presented the 
ultimate American response in an earlier post.  The Muslim World 
will not understand this seemingly brutal solution, but the 
Jihad will end with limited deaths.

Radio Europe,   Muslim's have prosecuted Muslim's who have 
committed crimes against Infidels.

http://www.pcpafg.org/news/Afghan_News/Year2000/2000_02_21/Egypt_
executes_two_accused_Bin_Laden_followers_Islamist.shtml

Egypt executes two accused Bin Laden followers Islamist

CAIRO, Feb 24 (AFP) - Two Egyptian Islamists believed to be 
followers of alleged terrorist Osama bin Laden were hanged in a 
Cairo prison on Wednesday, a London-based Islamic group said 
Thursday.

Ahmed Sayyed al-Naggar and Ahmed Ismail Osman, extradited from 
Albania in 1998 after they were sentenced to death here in their 
absence, were members of Al-Jihad, the Islamic Observatory group 
said in a telephone interview.

They were executed in al-Itienaf prison, Yasser al-Serri, the 
group's head, told AFP.

******

This is Egypt...  But, it is presedent.  A start that can be 
built upon.

John
E pluribus unum 


From: Ashraf
To: John, Exausted, Evil-Eye..
Subject: ...
Date: Thu Nov 8 02:04:50 2001

Message:
John..
I had told you about the prevailing opinion in the Arab world, 
and asked you to try to understand that..etc, but what you 
assumed is that such was my opinion as well, which is wrong. For 
a guy of your IQ, which is definetly higher than mine(being129), 
I would assume that you would have been able to read between the 
lines of my posts.. I wanted to  wait for one more post to see 
if you got my message, which I am confident you would have, but 
I wont. Here are the facts, straight up:

- Two wrongs dont make a right. 

What do u understand? What is it that I am trying to say?
...? That the US to blame?? or
That since OBL has directly/indirectly caused the death of 
thousands of innocent civilians in the US, being the first wrong 
doing, then the second unjustified wrong doing was committed by  
the US, through its declaration of war on Afghanistan, thereby 
killing another whole bunch of "helpless" civilians in 
Afghanistan??

WRONG!!!

The first wrong doing is believed by OBL to be the aggressive US 
American Foreign policy against the whole world (forgetting that 
the US has actually provided the whole world with technology, 
humanitarian aids, alot of our indispensable day-to-day items, 
feedom of speech), which even if, for arguements sake we agree 
to, then the second unacceptable wrong doing HAS BEEN committed 
by OBL, by blowing up the innocents in the US, which is against 
his own religious beliefs!!! The stupid @&%* should have tried 
to use a religion that would support his acts, but to try to 
talk in the name of Islam is what I DONOT ACCEPT!!!! AND ALLAH 
KNOWS I WILL RIP HIS TONGUE OUT OF HIS THROAT FOR USING ISLAM 
AND ALLAH'S NAME IN COMMITTING HIS COLD BLOODED MASS 
MURDERS!!!.. 
May be now, if you think back to all the things I said, it will 
all make sense.. The missing link is missing no more.. I would 
be regarded as a traitor by all of OBL's supporters for posting 
such a message, and they would therefore gladly declare "Holy 
Jihad" against me, for these morons take the meaning of this 
word, way too lightly, and use it to serve their own greeds.. 
but again, that's my problem, not yours..

Exhausted:
You were the closest in reading between the lines, than anyone I 
have seen on this board.. Cool..

Evil-Eye:
You said: Ohhh the greedy americans - anything for the almighty 
dollar.. I never said any such thing..
You my friend are a clown, who puts up his posts to amuse 
others, and you have no insight what soever. A bunch of cool 
words put to gether, dont make you smart, intelligent or 
righteous. Defend your views, but not by insulting others, and 
by addressing them by their names, just as they address you.  
Despite the fact that my posts had upset many people here, yet, 
they made convincingly sincere attempts to try to understand 
this strange phenomenon named Ashraf.. but not you.. You have 
not tried once to, as you say, look past ur freak'n nose, before 
clicking the  "Post Message" icon, at the bottom of this page..
As you see, ur jokes will only trigger the same against you, so 
have some self-respect, so that others will respect you. I have 
not come down on anyone the way I am coming down on you, coz non 
of them have acted in the manner that u do..
Ps: your sense of humour sucks..

Peace..

From: Ashraf
To: John & Exhausted..
Subject: Summary..
Date: Thu Nov 8 03:19:53 2001

Message:
I am on ur side, I just wanted you to get to that before having 
had me spill it out ..

Peace..

From: John
To: Ashraf
Subject: I'm angry for 5000 lives, but I'm worried for 6 billion lives.
Date: Thu Nov 8 03:30:21 2001

Message:
Mr. Ashraf,

I'm sorry I failed to capture your meaning.  To actually read 
between lines is nearly impossible when one is referring to the 
written word.  Reading between lines is really a reference to 
the spoken word.

Oh, I know I was major tough on you.  And I apologize.  In 
reality I really wanted to scream it from the rooftops here, for 
all those pinheads in your part of the world to hear.  If I 
thought it would do any good, or I could do any good, I'd hop 
the first plane and climb your roof.

The message that need be heard in Islam is:    Usama, really has 
hijacked Islam.  He has through deception, created intense hate 
against America and the West for nothing we have done to him or 
Islam.  He has created this big lie that we stood ground in 
Saudi Arabia to control it.  We were in Saudi Arabia for the 
purpose of driving Saddam Hussein from Kuwait, protect the oil, 
and protect them from the coming invasion of Saddam.  That is 
it.  We retain a presence for the same reason.  And the Saudi's 
know and want this.

Usama claims America starves Iraqi children.  Saddam starves 
Iraqi children by allowing the embargo to continue against his 
entire country.  The world sanctions are in place because this 
sick evil man, is, and has developed weapons of mass 
destruction, in mass quantity.  He has used them on his own 
people and in the war against Iran.  It's quite obvious he will 
use them again.  Do you think Saddam would think twice about 
over-running the UAE?  He would not blink.  He'd take Kuwait and 
Saudi Arabia than The UAE.  He'd kill you all if had to.  But he 
wouldn't have to.  His threat and his power is so great your 
governments would just crumble.  All of Arabia should be 
thankful for the Americans.

Instead we get Usama bin Laden killing our civilians in the 
thousands - men, women and children.  Aside from the dead.  His 
act cost so many billions and billions of dollars.  The cleanup 
alone is 100 Billion dollars.  He's thrown our economy into a 
recession.  500,000 jobs are lost already and it's only the 
first 60 days.

Usama's goal is to overthrow our country by destroying our 
economy, and with it, the worlds economy.  The world, the entire 
world, and every being on this planet will be living and dying 
in a global economic depression.  And that includes all Islam.  

Question?  If America isn't around to defend Arabia, who would?  
That's right.  No one.  Then Usama can take over the holy lands, 
Mecca and Medina.  When that happens, you can say goodbye to 
your way of life.  For you will be living the life of the 
Taliban.  Your wife would be in a burka at all times when 
outdoors.  She would be whipped should her ankles mistakenly be 
shown.  Allah forbid she wants to work or be educated.  That's 
not permitted.  Your children would learn only one thing.  No 
science, no math, no history, well... except the Koran.  They 
learn that.  They would memorize it, cover to cover.  But not 
the Koran you follow Mr. Ashraf.  This would be Usama's 
interpretation.  That would be the extent of their education.  
That's what this man Usama bin Laden wants for you and us.

If I sounded a bit angry.  I created the anger for effect.  
Because, if effect were ever needed, it be... now.  In actuality 
I am angry.  I'm angry for 5000 lives, but I'm worried for 6 
billion lives.  See if Usama gets what he wants, that's what's 
in jeopardy - The entire world.   Economies are particularly 
fragile.  They are all smoke and mirrors.  Very little is real.  
Everything value wise is based upon future return.  Take away 
the promise of future return and gone is the future.

I have more to say, I'm just getting started.  till next time.

John
E pluribus unum

From: Everyman
To: Ashraf
Subject: Evidence
Date: Thu Nov 8 04:53:51 2001

Message:
http://www.google.com/search?
q=cache:cVsgzEbozpY:usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/99129502.
htm+evidence+against+bin+laden&hl=en

Go to 'Google' and type in  'Evidence against bin Laden'

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Ashraf
Subject: Communication
Date: Thu Nov 8 04:56:48 2001

Message:
I have monitored all your postings on this and other boards, 
knowing full well you would be regarded as a traitor by many of 
those who practice your faith around the world.

Ashraf, what your religion needs now....desperately!...is a 
reformation. Christianity went through just that back in the 
17th Century, it rejected its crusading philosophy and got back 
to its founding religious principles. I'm not saying Islam is 
itself crusading, but it certainly does have within it 
an 'aggressive' streak which, quite frankly, does NOT endear 
itself to anyone outside it. Islam has to take a good long 
look.....at itself. It requires honest introspection from those 
who practice it, about what it is and where its going...because 
I can tell you now, its not making a good impression in 
the 'West'.

You've only annoyed people so far in doing so, but I can see 
that you are trying to reach out.

However, calling EagleEye..EvilEye...will not achieve your wish 
of being accepted on this board.




From: Ashraf
To: John & Everyman
Subject: ...
Date: Thu Nov 8 07:45:27 2001

Message:
John..
Saddam's son, named Odai, wonders Iraq with a fully tiger, tied 
with a gold chain around his hand, lives like there's no 
tomorrow, rapes EACH AND EVERY woman that is of his liking, 
infront of her mother, father or husband, then throws her from 
his privately owned chopper! And this is not bull&%$@#. If this 
is the son, what do u think the father will be like? Saddam is 
the most ignorant man about Islam. The idiot wrote the whole 
Quran in his own blood, to show his faked love therefore, 
whereas it is clearly stated in the quran, once blood touches 
any part of a Muslim's body, he must take abolution, an act of 
purity before prayers, let alone writing the whole Quran in 
Blood, then being proud of it! He should be shot in the head, 
coz all the economic boycotts on Iraq go directly to hurt and 
kill the Iraqi children, who die in the millions. Saddam just 
sits back and smiles. I have seen pictures of his army personnel 
kissing his hands and feet, in the name of Islam, an act that 
neither the Prophet Mohammed nor Jesus nor Moses had ever 
ordered their followers to do. The ultimate victims are the 
children., despite America's sincere attemts to bring him down. 
The right move would be to send a hitman, to take him out. 
Period.. John.. if there existed a true terrorist, it would be 
no other than the damned Saddam..
Ps: Saddam means "Car Bumper" in Arabic...

About OBL: For your information, he follows a clan, called the 
Wahabi's. They are a clan of no spiritual guidance, meaning, 
that they are extremely EXTREMELY superficial in their 
interpretation of the Quran, and as you said, they have their 
own interpretation thereof. It is like looking at a glass, half 
full, when asked, OBL would say it is half-empty. If you 
disagree, you are a disbeliever in Allah. That's it.
As much as I would like my wife to wear a hijab, she doesnt, but 
I dont force it upon her, and I dont regard her to be an 
infidel, nor a disbeliever. I can easily stand (at the top of 
that mountain and preach ;) : Oh! How anti-Islamic of you!! but 
I dont.. It is Allah's job to ask account her for her doings, 
not me. Allah said to the Prophet Mohammed himself in the Holy 
Quran:
" You are merely responsible for conveying My words to them, in 
detail " 
The Prophet never ordered the enforecement of Islam, upon 
anyone, but OBL conveniently over looks such verses.

Everyman:
Thank you..

Peace..

From: Ashraf
To: U.K. Citizen
Subject: ....
Date: Thu Nov 8 07:46:30 2001

Message:
Thank you for your post...

I agree with you that the general impression that the west has 
about Islam, at the time, is no what pleasing for anybody, not 
even for the Muslims themselves. 
Cutting a long story short, Wahabis/ OBLs are no more a 
representative of Islam, than the KKK are representatives of the 
average American. We all have OBLs, Hitlers, Saddams and Sharons 
in our communities. The difference is that our are far worse 
than yours, coz they do it in the ame of Islam, to attract as 
many simple minded individuals as possible, behind them, only to 
use them later as human shields.
OBL doesnt represent Islam any more than Sharon represents the 
Jews.

You said: However, calling EagleEye..EvilEye...will not achieve 
your wish of being accepted on this board.

Thanx for the advice, but that was a message to Eagle Eye, that 
anybody can make fun of the next guy in line. It doesnt make you 
right, to do so, and one should always avoid insults, in a 
discussion. He is no exception. He initiated it, and that was an 
Eye for an Eye.. ;)
If the condition to be on this board, is to be a push around, 
I'll pass..

Peace..

















Regarding Eagle-Eye

From: G-Man
To: Binladen
Date: Fri Sep 14 17:19:53 2001

Message:
You will lose this 
War!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!1

From: G-Man
To: You
Date: Thu Nov 8 09:30:28 2001

Message:
U.s Will Rule You!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@*&%$#@@

From: G-Man
To: The U.S.A.
Date: Thu Nov 8 09:31:49 2001

Message:
We Will Kill Binladen In My House When He Is captured!!!!!!!!!!!
"69"

From: Binny
To: Ashraf
Date: Thu Nov 8 09:49:46 2001

Message:
Ashraf, my brother...you have taken the high road on this 
board...very good strategy my friend...lure the infidels into 
our beliefs...demonstrate compassion and understanding to the 
infidels and they will succumb...talk much and confuse...very 
good....I am proud......I have taught you well my son....now, 
about those supplies....I'm very disappointed to say that I have 
not received anything as of yet....with the exception of some 
expired cans of Cream-of-Rock that I found on some ole dead 
camel outside the main cave entrance....my son do not delay with 
the supplies any longer or my wrath will be kindled against yo 
mamma....

your pal,
Binny

p.s.
what's this "peace" thing at the end of all of your posts?  
Ahhh...more propaganda I suspect.....very nice touch my 
son...only guard yourself against your own words so as not to be 
influenced yourself....

p.s.s
pardon me for using western slang but I can't help 
it.......Ashraf, YOU DA MAN!!!

From: BigSky
To: John
Subject: jihad
Date: Thu Nov 8 10:30:34 2001

Message:
I missed your post on resolving the "jihad" -- we are all 
focused on OBL but this sentiment of hating America goes 
far beyond his claim that he wants the holy lands of Saudi 
Arabia back. If OBL is eliminated, what's next? the terrorism 
most likely won't stop with him--how does Islam promote 
hate and violence so pervasively? I will never get the image 
of palestinians celebrating the fall of the WTC out of my 
mind--I just don't get it.

From: Justice USA
To: John
Subject: I share your anger
Date:

Message:
Yep, it is appalling.  The guy was a complete moron.  In my neck 
of the woods, some idiots have actually been selling tasteless 
tee shirts that show the twin towers burning and the slogan "  I 
CANT BELIEVE I GOT OUT OF THERE ALIVE"  simpletons. What if 
these people had to have real jobs instead of hawking tragedy on 
every street corner with their makeshift "WTC SOUVINERS"  I 
mean, I own a tasteful one that honors the victims and

From: Justice USA
To: John
Subject: I share your anger
Date: Thu Nov 8 11:38:28 2001

Message:
Yep, it is appalling.  The guy was a complete moron.  In my neck 
of the woods, some idiots have actually been selling tasteless 
tee shirts that show the twin towers burning and the slogan "  I 
CANT BELIEVE I GOT OUT OF THERE ALIVE"  simpletons. What if 
these people had to have real jobs instead of hawking tragedy on 
every street corner with their makeshift "WTC SOUVINERS"  I 
mean, I own a tasteful one that honors the victims and 
firefighters, etc.  I dont even like the word MUSLIMS.  Sounds 
too much like mussels, those slimy grey things under the sea 
that eat all the shit at the bottom of the ocean.  Have a good 
day, John.  I just am eating my second package of cashews on top 
of a heaping bowl of oatmeal and second cup of coffee.  
Expecting a very productive bowel movement again.  

From: Everyman
To: Binny
Subject: Supplies
Date: Thu Nov 8 11:44:28 2001

Message:
Didn't you know?  The supplies are right outside your camp...you 
know, those blue packages...?

From: Everyman
To: John
Subject: solicitors
Date: Thu Nov 8 11:54:58 2001

Message:
Sad to say, that url doesn't work anymore...do you know where I 
can find that hilarious toon w/ the phone solicitors?




t
y

From: rfffffffff
To: who knows??????????
Subject: whatever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Thu Nov 8 12:39:29 2001

Message:
hey wuz up oops I mean falling!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????!!!!!!!!!!!




Hahahahahahahahah

From: fffffffffffffffr
To: god knows who!!!!!!!!!!!
Subject: I don't know!!!!!!!!!; :)
Date: Thu Nov 8 12:39:29 2001

Message:
Yo bro's wuz up how r u doing

From: John
To:
Subject: Wear your seatbelt when driving assuming some drunk, crazy or old lady will launch a vehicular assault against you.
Date: Thu Nov 8 12:17:48 2001

Message:
Is the US based al Qaeda terror cell bio-Terror threat real???

Maybe.  What should YOU do?

Wear your seatbelt when driving assuming some drunk, crazy or 
old lady will launch a vehicular assault against you.

But, should you assume an anthrax, smallpox, botulism, etc... 
assault will be launched on you???

Well...  I wear a seatbelt, ...and I carry a small ready-pack 
everywhere I go.  My ready-pack contains dual filter masks, a 
gas mask and filter(s), surgical gloves, chemical suit, pain 
meds, homeopathic antibiotics - colloidial silver, grapefruit 
seed extract and oxy boost.

Will my preparation be a successful defense?  Maybe not if I 
have unknown close proximity contact with an infected person or 
agent.  But I'm banking if it were to happen I'll have advance 
warning calling for quarantine of one or more cities allowing 
time to put on my gear and go home.  Home I have canned food and 
bottled water for three months and a large roll of 16 guage 
plastic & tape for the window & door openings.

Am I over-reacting?  Probably.  Can I better prepare?  
Probably.  But I think my preparation is about right.  I have 
peace of mind and I wear a seatbelt.

John
E pluribus unum



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From: Ashraf
To: Everyman..
Subject: Supplies..
Date: Thu Nov 8 13:17:29 2001

Message:
Everyman..
Nice one bro..

Binny..
Sorry about the supplies, but everytime I try to use the credit 
card you gave me, the authorisation report from the vedors 
machine comes back with the message:
Cardholder: Deceased..
Cardholder: Cant Sign..
Cardholder: Unknown..
Cardholder: Butt-Kicked..

And about my mama.. she passed away 3 years ago, but maybe if 
you take the burqua off the womans face, you might see the 
resemblence between you and.. yo mamma..

Peace.. but not to you Bin..
Peace..

From: John
To: rfffffffff
Subject: hey wuz up oops I mean falling!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Thu Nov 8 13:28:25 2001

Message:
You will pay the ultimate price.

Keep watching your back, as we know you are.  How frightened are 
you?  Very!!!

John
E pluribus unum

From: Binny
To: Ashraf
Date: Thu Nov 8 13:51:22 2001

Message:
Ashraf, my brother...you do so much please me in the way you 
play the 'double-agent'...you always did have the gift of words 
and persuasion... to quote that western infidel actor that 
played Moses on tv...."I Love You Man"

your pal,
Binny

From: Everyman
To: All
Subject: Kudos
Date: Thu Nov 8 13:54:20 2001

Message:
****************AWARD****************
*                                   *
*          MR. PREPAREDNESS         * 
*                                   *
*               goes to:            *
*                                   *
*                 JOHN!             *
*                                   *
*************************************

From: an Italian guy
To: EagleEye
Subject: cable car disaster
Date: Thu Nov 8 13:40:20 2001

Message:
EagleEye, I think justice was not served for your country either.
The pilot only got a really FORMAL AND SLIGHT condemn. It was a 
case of quite hypocrital and fake military justice, and a 
politically quite uncorrect behaviour of that administration. 
It would have been proper that he got many lots of years jail. I 
think no international rule could accept that a slaughter or 20 
people stays almost unpunished and gets archiviated as just a 
sort of "mistake".

Little advise: don't minimize such a fault of an American, if 
you want to believe in the truth. 

From: Everyman
To:
Date: Thu Nov 8 14:35:34 2001

Message:
'What care we for your fleets and armies, we are not going to 
fight with them unless drove to it by the last necessity, or the 
highest provocation ... Though this body is not clad with silken 
garments, these limbs are armed with strength. The soul is 
fortified by Virtue, and the love of Liberty is cherished within 
this bosom.' Charity Clarke,1774


From: Justice USA
To: John
Subject: Pet relief fund
Date:

Message:
Actually John, we have collected close to a BILLION if not more 
for many of our brothers and sisters that have died in the 
bombings.  Many of these people had pets that they loved as 
family members.  I personally am an animal lover and I dont 
think that it is bad to rescue the animals as well.  Many of the 
people that died, had the pets that they loved very much and 
would want them to be taken care of as well.  I dont think it is 
cra

From: Justice USA
To: John
Subject: Pet relief fund
Date:

Message:
Actually John, we have collected close to a BILLION if not more 
for many of our brothers and sisters that have died in the 
bombings.  Many of these people had pets that they loved as 
family members.  I personally am an animal lover and I dont 
think that it is bad to rescue the animals as well.  Many of the 
people that died, had the pets that they loved very much and 
would want them to be taken care of as well.  I dont think it is 
cra

From: Justice USA
To: John
Subject: Pet relief fund
Date: Thu Nov 8 15:10:14 2001

Message:
Actually John, we have collected close to a BILLION if not more 
for many of our brothers and sisters that have died in the 
bombings.  Many of these people had pets that they loved as 
family members.  I personally am an animal lover and I dont 
think that it is bad to rescue the animals as well.  Many of the 
people that died, had the pets that they loved very much and 
would want them to be taken care of as well.  I dont think it is 
crazy, to rescue/help their pets as well.  I just read a 
beautiful story about how they found a live cat with her kittens 
near death that was rescued.  I dont equate an animal's life as 
more important that a person's and I wish EVERY LIVING THING had 
survived, but if we can save/help life in any form that is a 
beautiful thing.  I guess it is something only an animal lover 
could understand..............

From: Everyman
To: Justice USA
Subject: post
Date: Thu Nov 8 15:19:50 2001

Message:
Well put!

From: John
To: Justice USA
Subject: I think - no I'm sure, any pets rescued will be cared for.
Date: Thu Nov 8 15:44:47 2001

Message:
I will reconsider my position... maybe..  I tend to believe the 
SPCA in NYC is not lacking for funds.  They receive direct 
grants from the city, as well as all the receipts from animal 
licensing.  Somehow, a fund created for the animals, placing 
higher regard for the animal over the human is wrong.  Is this 
not the regular argument.  Are we not constantly barraged and 
assaulted by PETA in similiar fashion?  I think - no I'm sure, 
any pets rescued will be cared for.  I'll bet on it.  Do we need 
a fund?  No!!  But I'll think about it.

John
E pluribus unum

From: John
To: Justice USA
Date: Thu Nov 8 15:59:53 2001

Message:
Should these charities be priority.  Then I call for the 
creation of a commission overseen by congress, to ensure these 
donated funds go only to those animals affected by the 9/11 WTC 
tragedy, and only those animals.

J
E...

From: John
To: READERS
Subject: The American Red Cross Together, we can save a life.
Date: Thu Nov 8 16:07:24 2001

Message:
The Red Cross can't tell you this...

Possibly the American Red Cross's plan to commingle funds, to 
use a portion of the donations for infrastructure projects, and 
to retain a portion for reserves is not such a bad idea.

Here's why - Should there be another major attack, which most of 
us anticipate, will Americans flood charities to fund the effort 
as they did following the tragedy of 9/11?  Or have many maxed-
out their giving quotient?   Is there guarantee Americans will 
dig deeper to help?  And what if there's another attack after 
the second?

Donations to other vital charities serving many great causes are 
drying up following the outpour of donations for 9/11.  Many 
good charities are experiencing significant shortfalls in 
contributions, leaving some only hours away from having to close 
their doors forever.

The American Red Cross blood donations following this tragedy 
shored up our severely depleted blood supplies; blood that will 
be needed in the event of another attack or catastrophe.

Maybe it would not be such a bad idea to park some money in 
reserve.  And, if no further attacks are perpetrated within a 
logical predetermined time, say two years, then these reserves 
could be released to the families.

Would the 9/11 families object to using some of the funds to 
help victims of a new attack?  Let's ask them.

Together, we can save a life.

John
E pluribus unum


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From: Justice USA
To: John
Subject: Mayor Giuliani
Date: Thu Nov 8 17:15:25 2001

Message:
still our mayor, is going to INVESTIGATE where all of this is 
going.  This all seems like such a nightmare, John.  Just 
thinking about all of those people killed and also the ones that 
were so brave, they forced the plane down to save other 
Americans in Pennsylvania.  This is a concept that the insane 
taliban could never comprehend.  How the loss of just one of our 
people, is too many.  The hypoSHITES that they are.  Saying they 
want to DIE for their cause, yet hiding in their caves and 
letting young psychopaths do the job for them.  Who could have 
ever thought these deranged monsters could have caused us so 
much havoc.  I am now cooking a burger and one for you too, 
John,  I am taking orders for everyone else that is cool.  Rare, 
Medium, well-done, cheese on top, onions, etc.  I am cooking now 
and the sweet aroma of bermuda onions caressing the big meaty 
burger and smothered in succulent Heinz tomato ketchup is more 
than I can stand!

From: EagleEye
To: Justice USA
Subject: Burgers on the Barby ......
Date: Thu Nov 8 17:31:05 2001

Message:
Justice USA  - medium rare ... broasted over a brisk "immonium 
nitrate induced flame" Shall we call a Cave Burger?  BLU-82 
Plate Special? or ....?

From: John
To: Justice USA
Subject: Got any slaw?
Date: Thu Nov 8 17:53:22 2001

Message:
Burn the fries.  Got any slaw?

Welcome back Eagle.  Some folks await your response.  Gentle 
now, gentle.  :-)


J
E...

From: EagleEye
To: Ashraf
Subject: Re Read your post ......
Date: Thu Nov 8 17:50:30 2001

Message:
of bile and ill will towards the USA and it s government - as 
you define terrorism.  You are THE biggest hypocrite of the 
bunch.  Maybe your soft spoken words of late may lure others 
here to accept you as the "Peaceful" ALLAH fearing MUSLIM with a 
rooftop message of peace and ARABIC Islamic tranquility but I 
see through you like SeranWrap [another damn wonderful usa 
petroleum based invention].

Im soooo sorry you dont like my sense of humor.  I dont 
particularly care for your or your ARABIC Bretherens hate 
either - not to mention the unbeleiveable , un-adulterated 
hypocricy.  I no longer give a fuck how you and hypocrites like 
you view the USA - you can all kiss my American lilly white arse.

More for you later ... Im busy contributing more to the "Bomb 
Afghanistan Fund".

From: Spy
To: Justice USA
Subject: Pets and rabbid dogs
Date: Thu Nov 8 18:16:14 2001

Message:
I most certainly consider the life of every pet I ever had worth
4000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
00000000000000000 times more than osama bin ladung 
and taliban.

From: ma
To: taliban
Subject: fuck you
Date: Thu Nov 8 18:36:15 2001

Message:
hi talban fuck u

From: Spy
To:
Date: Thu Nov 8 18:48:19 2001

Message:
Hell---the clop of dirt out by the highway is worth more than 
osama bin{:@( ladogdung.

From: Spy
To: EX-president clinton
Subject: You have been removed from office
Date: Thu Nov 8 18:52:27 2001

Message:
So please get off the stage and shut up !!!!

From: John
To:
Subject: Sedition Law Used to Hold Suspects
Date: Thu Nov 8 19:12:34 2001

Message:
This how to get that America hating, Taliban supporter, Malik 
Shabazz.


http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20011108/us/attacks_sedition_1.ht
ml

 
Thursday November 8 2:28 PM ET 
Sedition Law Used to Hold Suspects

WASHINGTON (AP) - Prosecutors seeking to hold people they 
suspect were in the early stages of terrorist plots may turn 
anew to a very old weapon - the Civil War-era law on sedition. 

Last week, prosecutors cited the rarely invoked law in the case 
of a student being detained in New York, and hinted they might 
make fuller use of it in the aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks. 

With roots in laws that date back more than 200 years, the 
statute gives the government great flexibility in assembling 
prosecutions against people who plan but don't carry out 
criminal acts against the United States. 

``To the extent a jihad'' or holy war ``is invoked against the 
United States, it's like an announcement that `I'm putting 
myself under this statute,''' Saltzburg said. 

The U.S. law on sedition dates back to the 1790s when the Alien 
and Sedition acts of the John Adams administration targeted 
people who criticized the government. The acts expired and were 
not renewed amid a storm of criticism. 

A new law passed during the Civil War served as the basis for 
the current statute. 

There were Confederate sympathizers in the North and the law was 
passed to make it easier to punish people who conspired against 
the union, said University of Michigan law professor Richard 
Friedman. 

The government used the sedition law after World War I to 
convict anarchists. In the 1950s, the Supreme Court upheld 
convictions of communists on sedition charges for teaching 
doctrines that were held to be subversive. 


 

From: Spy
To: John
Subject: sedition laws
Date: Thu Nov 8 19:29:52 2001

Message:
Where I'm at, we've been saying sedition laws is fair game.
I feel during war time these are valid. I pretend to be no 
expert in law, but I feel "rumblings by anyone in support of  
the enemy" must be exterminated and I consider much of 
these actions to boarder treason if not so.
Also there should be POW camps rather than our prison 
system used in such cases where said activites pertain to 
enemy support. Military law would then rule over the dogs 
(who do not deserve the rights of our civilian system).

From: Spy
To: John
Subject: "I don't pretend---"
Date: Thu Nov 8 19:48:34 2001

Message:

From: an american
To: all forieners and ppl who think america had it coming and especially rag\turban head bitches
Subject: fuck forieners
Date: Thu Nov 8 19:50:54 2001

Message:
if you think america had it coming, we have saved worthless 
muslims in serbia, worthless brits and frenchies in wwII, and 
much much more.  Even if we did have it coming, it doesnt matter 
because its war now, and its time to kill some fucking arabs.  I 
think mosques in america are gathering points for terrorists.  
The only way to end terrorism is to end the arab race.  FUCK 
ARABS!

From: Ashraf
To: Evil-Eye
Subject: ....
Date: Thu Nov 8 19:37:54 2001

Message:
Thank you for your post..

Yours is white.. mine is black..

Peace..

Ps: You can stop using the name: Binny now..

From: smart guy
To: idiots
Subject: enviornment
Date: Thu Nov 8 19:53:18 2001

Message:
we are fucking up the enviornment. sorry.  look at the satilite 
pictures.  Look at the fucked up el nino.  real scientist know 
this to be fact.  only scientist bought and payd for by large 
corporations say we arent doing anything bad...

From: Spy
To: John
Date: Thu Nov 8 19:50:32 2001

Message:
We must be tuff on the ones who would be the enemy. 
      Now pops out the aclu crowd cryin' "foul" !
However, they fail to see what would happen if we get 
anymore attacks near,like,worst than 911----if things got bad 
enough we could possibly fall under marshal 
law----economics in the can and flushed. 

From: U.K. Voices
To: Exhausted, Eagle and other ninnies
Subject: Just stopped by.
Date: Thu Nov 8 19:55:20 2001

Message:
Bon soir all,

I went to the theatre last night so I couldn t join your 
intellectual exchange.  My dear lady wife and three children had 
a great time and we look forward to going again.  I'm just 
downloading email so I can't bless you all with my wonderful 
presence for too long.  No, don't cry, it's not that I hate you; 
it's just that I've got a life to live.  Here, in the UK it's 
pretty cool not having to deal with morons the likes of you.  
Most people here, amongst the more informed intelligentsia 
anyway, are mostly in agreement with the fact that the war is 
all due to the rabid cravings of trigger happy breast beaters 
who would be more at home on the Planet of the Apes.  That is 
the point of your Hollywood epic is it not?  That Americans 
evolve into the Ape civilisation.  It would certainly be an 
improvement.  Anyway, enough accurate factual prediction for now 
as I know it's past you guys to bother yourselves with real 
facts.  I do have a real responsibility to my nation to tell you 
to stop living in fantasyland.  One of you wrote (I can't be 
bothered to remember which one of you, your names are for 
tombstones baby - as Katanga said in Live and Let Die):  "I am 
actually quite thankful for your intelligence organizations, 
your military, your politicians".  This we all understand 
fully.  Our boys have always bailed you out.  Our SAS cringe at 
your ineptitude and arrogant ignorance that always reaches new 
heights and trips you up in every operation you undertake.  Our 
politicians are again going around the world helping you out in 
your failures.  Mr. Bush (nice guy but dim) didn't know basic 
geography when he came into office in the shambolic stage show 
you guys thought was a democratic election.  We do not like the 
rest of the world thinking that the West is so utterly thick. So 
we try to help out whenever we can.  Ignore me if you must.  You 
may reply saying that "UK Voices is not typical of the people in 
the UK and the rest of them actually think we Americans are 
okay".  The fact is that I m right and you re wrong.  You even 
went into denial by saying that I must be the son of an Arab.  
Denial, denial, so strong in the American way.  You guys are so 
screwed up that shrinks can set up offices next to each other 
and line your streets with them but they will always have enough 
clients to make them rich.  Ever ask yourselves why your nation 
has this ailment?  No. Because you deny that it s happening.  
Wakey, wakey  there s a world out here.  Disneyland is not 
real.  Get it?  Independence Day   again fantasy.  Mars attack?  
Have you guessed it yet? Yes, that s right. Fantasy.  You re 
catching on. I hope.  Reservoir Dogs.  Okay   I admit that s 
reality in your sick place.  You got me on that one.  Jeez.  I m 
sorry.  But hey, you catch my drift no? 
Oh, in case your government hasn't told you, we read about your 
daisy cutter bombs in our newspapers today.  The reporter said 
that they went down, exploded, loads of dust came up and smoke 
and fumes.  15 mins later, from the same spot, out came a 
Taliban fighter.  It was prayer time and he got on with his 
prayers.  Allah is sure looking after them against your little 
daisy cutting toys.  They've fought better and braver armies.  
At least the Russians had the guts to go in face to face.  
you've got no chance.
We also heard today that your all-powerful, free-speech-loving 
heavenly government has started putting pressure on  your 
educational establishments for having debates on whether the war 
is right or wrong.  Oooh   dangerous ground my little fluffy 
bunnies.  You going to become like Taliban soon.  Don t even go 
there or we will sort you out.  We don t like this kind of 
censorship as it s not quite cricket.  Last night, Tony warned 
GeeDubya about going too far and that he better sort out your 
Israeli brats soon.  We re pretty sure Tony also gave GeeDubya a 
right good telling off behind the scenes for being such a second-
rate statesman.  Problem is that your rulers are voted in after 
a spectacular campaign to trick you into voting for them.  Their 
success lies in their wealth.  The richer they are (the more 
corrupt), the more likely they ll give you freebies and you ll 
vote them in. Again, I see you just voted in that rich kid as 
mayor of NY.  We ll lend you one of our politicians if you 
want.  No, ours are too busy telling us how futile your war is. 
They don t mind Tony helping you out as he hasn t had a holiday 
yet. Maybe you can borrow General Musharraf from that new 
dictatorial ally of yours   that s the country next to the one 
you are bombing after blaming for these attacks on your twin 
peaks.  Hey   why stop there?  Use the rag-head Saddam.  He s 
not bad.  He outlasted GeeDubya Senior and Clinton so I m sure 
he ll do a better job of running a war-mongering state.  He s 
got your good training behind him. Maybe he could even sort out 
who is ending the Anthrax around your  town.  That s got to be a 
sick mind of an American citizen and the FBI are in denial so 
they ll never find it unless they look at home.  Here's an 
extract from our main newsaper here so that you realise I'm not 
lying about people in the UK actually treating your country 
withthe contempt it deserves.... 

"Bill Clinton, to show he's not out of the loop, said Americans 
weren't cowards like bin Laden because "we don't hide in caves". 
Which ignores the fact that a) there are no caves in Washington, 
and b) none the less George Bush tried as hard as he could to 
find one when the 11 September attacks took place."

The other thing is that our Queen really is a bit tired of your 
bickering and she s keeping out of this otherwise she d send 
over her pet corgis for you to use as your  dogs of war .  
Puerile filth is this?  I bet you hate me.  You d nuke my 
country if you could!  Well hold on boys, we ve got a defence 
force that can fight back and kick your ass into submission.  
Yeah   not so keen now are ya?  You should really thank me for 
taking the time to teach you that many Western intellectual  
people are actually not sympathetic to your ramblings and we 
know the world would be a more peaceful place without your 
weapons of mass destruction that you have no restraint on 
using.  We have nukes too and we use them as deterrents.  That s 
their purpose.  You actually use them when the battle gets too 
heavy for your boys.  Remember Vietnam or are you in denial as 
recommended by your shrinks?  That s why your nation cannot be 
trusted to keep such things.  Anyway, I ve got to work tomorrow 
and I ve got some nice discussions to have.  No doubt I ll 
mention my little foray here and, if you re lucky, you ll hear 
from me again.

Hey, this might all sound negative but you re not totally bad.  
Demi Moore used to be a talented actress.  She s American no?  
Clint Eastwood was okay too.  And American too.  Rare.

From: unknown
To: all
Subject: writng is on the wall
Date: Thu Nov 8 19:37:36 2001

Message:
the writing is on the wall...for those literate enough to read. 
the world is at war. it has always been at war, but this is the 
last and will probably end up killing us all. the wtc bombing 
wasn't about god or 'binny'or any of the other b.s. reasons all 
involved can think up. i don't even believe in a god, but there 
are those out there that would kill me for who i am. 
  so what does this boil down to? it's war, that's all it is. 
there's no sense or humor or anything else to be made out of it. 
if there was a hell i'ld see you there. we are all innocent, save 
those who would steal life away from us. the bastards killed 
innocents! that leaves us, the suvivors, the responsibility of 
evolving into the new world. we will be victourious through 
virtue and that alone. i don't personally know, but, god bless if 
it helps you through your day, no matter what god you believe in. 

From: Spy
To: uk vomit
Subject: promises,promises
Date: Thu Nov 8 20:27:57 2001

Message:
Clint Eastwood would shoot you dead on the spot little 
doggie.

But, how did you like seeing your dear lady wife and three 
children fucked in the ass by that german shepard----I was 
wondering if those were her kids, for I too saw that film.
Me and my friends just couldn't believe how hard those little 
beagels can take it in the ass.
But--I supose you weren't surprised---as you seem to take it 
in the mouth.

Besides--I thought you took your little feeble doggie ass out 
of here.

From: Spy
To: uk farts
Date: Thu Nov 8 20:45:58 2001

Message:
Your dear lady wife sure has a shinny coat--you must feed 
her lots of protein--hey. Lots of camel cum coated sun dried
lama chips.
But I must admit--the inbreedings have taken its toll. 

From: U.K. Voices
To: SPY
Subject: You're so clever
Date: Thu Nov 8 20:59:38 2001

Message:
You astound me with your level of intellectual answers.  I think 
that the thugs in our primary school do better than that at 
being funny.

You been giving out blow jobs tonight?  The jizm is sure pouring 
outta that smelly rancid fat red-neck sad excuse of a broken jaw 
of yours.  Spin on it bwah.  We know you like it.

From: Spy
To: uk voices
Date: Thu Nov 8 20:57:31 2001

Message:
watchin' the playback of the film,I detect irish setter&beagle.
From herein out I'll refer to your kin as "Mutts"---okay--that 
good with you,hey? 

From: Spy
To: UK
Date: Thu Nov 8 21:07:27 2001

Message:
Hey---I thought it was pretty good acttin' on her part.

From: U.K.Citizen
To: All
Subject: U.K Voices
Date: Thu Nov 8 20:56:34 2001

Message:
It's likely this individual is playing on English stereotypes. I 
can assume this individual has NO wife, NO kids and does NOT go 
to the theatre. This individual IS however dangerous, but only 
if taken seriously. Aside from his motives, which are obviously 
to aggrevate and enrage there seem to be other motives 
altogether more sinister. There has so far been a fragile 
HARMONY, to a degree, on this board between people from 
different nations and viewpoints which he seems to be seeking to 
destroy at ALL COSTS. Try to figure out who this man might be 
and WHY he is doing this.  

This one, is a dangerous 'little boy', I advise caution.    

From: EagleEye
To: Ass-RashF
Subject: ..bin Laden guilt hidden behind the Burque of Islamic Pride
Date: Thu Nov 8 20:49:06 2001

Message:
19 American Sailers killed aboard USS Cole - Yemen Dock

1,000's Blown up killed and injured in Kenya Tanzania Embassies

10+ Marines killed in barracks Bombing - Saudi Arabi

Mogadishu[sp? - Im starting to spell like UK Vomit]

Read your uncle bin Lucifer's 1st and 2nd Fatwa [of which I 
imagine you can recite as fluently as the Qu'ron] in which he 
takes full responsibility for the above acts. Islamic justice 
system .... Sharia "Law". HA! 

Law-less are your people.  Why do your fellow Arab and Indo 
Muslim bretheren [in the 100's of thousands] 
worship/idolize/make a hero of bin Laden...? Not for his wartime 
heroism against the Russian infadel jihad, but for the terror 
inflicted upon Americans as of late.

Ass-Rashf - I dont need to to be anybody but EagleEye [ thats 
Mr. Evil-Eye to you]  ask John.  He made similar 
assertions ..... Again - your such a pathetic hypocrite - that 
though I "bothered" to address you as you wished, you continue 
with the "evil-eye".  Given enough rope, you will continue to 
hang yourself over and over again.  You fool no-one. I do 
however find "binny" rather funny.  Sarcastic humor illustrating 
the extreme futility and pointlessness of Islam and bin Laden 
defenders is a needed reprieve from yours and UK Vomits rhetoric 
of lies.  I need not impersonate another to reveal the 
falsehoods you and others put forth.

From: John
To: UK Voices
Subject: I possess solace in the knowledge that evil deeds recoil with speed.
Date: Thu Nov 8 21:21:46 2001

Message:
Any individual that would devote such time and energy in an 
attempt to cause emotional injury to others, as you are doing 
here to these greiving people, defines you, UK Voices as a truly 
sick being.

My describing you earlier as an Adolf Eichman type was correct.

I possess solace in the knowledge that "evil deeds recoil with 
speed."

John
E pluibus unum

From:
To:
Date: Thu Nov 8 21:57:03 2001

Message:
a dirty religion

From: Spy
To:
Subject: 3 in a litter ?---must of been some stillborns{:@) {:@( {:@(
Date: Thu Nov 8 21:58:11 2001

Message:

From: Spy
To: JusticeUSA
Subject: Thanks Giving
Date: Thu Nov 8 22:02:26 2001

Message:
Can ya whip up some of those al-la-quatta baby ribs this 
year ?--cornnish hens gettin' old.
Cook 'em 30 sec. under durBlu82 broiler--set high.

From:
To:
Date: Thu Nov 8 21:48:37 2001

Message:
"I went to the theatre last night so I couldn t join your 
intellectual exchange."

Excellent.  As soon as you would have joined us - it no longer 
would have been "intellectual" now would it?

"My dear lady wife and three children had 
a great time and we look forward to going again."

I sincerely hope she enjoyed it - Guess it took her what ...6 
months on her knees and all fours in some of Londons finest 
alleys to earn her admission.  Likely would have only took her 5 
if you weren't skimming yours off the top - PIMP Daddy Deluxe. 
But then the high cost of Petrol, condoms and all the abortions 
were surely a set back as well.  Only sorry to here about 
the "3" that got away.  Hope no girls ... but if you do, just 
know, UK has some tuff child labor laws.  But hey - sure the 
missus could use a rest. Bet its hard to explain the Non Arabic 
looking ones to the Welfare Services inspectors.  No wonder you 
have sooo much work to do.

"it's not that I hate you; 
it's just that I've got a life to live."

And ohhh what an existance it must be.  One would think you'd 
tire of the smell of Alley dumpster diving to the soft melodic 
groans of the missus ... "bringin home the bacon" for ya.  
Please dont tell me you watch too.


"Most people here, amongst the more informed intelligentsia 
anyway,"

Woooo Hooooo 3+ syllables - "Jolly Good Show" Your understanding 
of "informed intelligentsia" ....would that be the SUBSCRIBERS 
to the Gaurdian vs. those that just grab a cintillating headline 
in the grocery checkout? Peasant.

"Anyway, enough accurate factual prediction for now 
as I know it's past you guys to bother yourselves with real 
facts."

Whooooaaa - another word that must have been unbearable for you 
to type - "factual". Boy, your really giving it your all tonight 
arent ya UK Vomit?  Your in a grand moood. Bet the missus had a 
great afternoon downtown today.  Hell, maybe she caught a break 
and got a whole Al-Quda cell two days before Big Ben gets blown 
to shit - what a story for the Guardian that'll be eh?  You'll 
be rich!  Then maybe you can come over to America a visit Las 
Vegas  -  seems you and the missus' kinda town. I can see the 
headlines now - "London Welfare recipient's trick turning wife 
aids Scotland Yard. Says AlQuda Kingpin Mahim al Arsewipe gave 
it to her good an proper, loved it. hubby gets jealous, and 
smacked her around, rats em all out"

Yaaaaawwwwnnn..... need I continue your familial un-veiling?




From: EagleEye
To: UK Vomit
Subject: Pimp Daddy Deluxe
Date: Thu Nov 8 22:32:29 2001

Message:
so bored .... I forgot to take credit for the above post.  Guess 
the UK Vomit stench is getting to me.

From: Spy
To: EagleEye
Subject: uk dribble
Date: Thu Nov 8 22:41:12 2001

Message:
Ya know--if ya got the right bookin' agent---this guy's 
standup comedy all the way---we could be rich !!
Well-at least until someone in the audience capped 'im.

From: EagleEye
To: Spy
Subject: UK Dribble?
Date: Thu Nov 8 22:53:13 2001

Message:
.. is that what runs down his dear lady wife's legs after a 
good "days work" or what ran down his "mums"?

Ya know cuz .... us fucking yanks we dont undertsand all this 
real world hard core fact our boy UK Vomit be pukin.

From: Spy
To: EagleEye
Subject: multiple reasons summed in one
Date: Thu Nov 8 23:08:42 2001

Message:
it's also "how much shit flows out both sides of his mouth. 
Volume per second should remain equal; therefore 
(compensation for no brain),
he can keep himself in a upright position.

From: SBD
To: Ashraf
Subject: free speech
Date: Thu Nov 8 23:31:11 2001

Message:
Ashraf,

You are now enjoying free speech in our country.  Just because 
you express your views does not mean you will be imprisoned in 
our country, unlike Afghanistan.

Please try to remember that WE were the ones who were 
maliciously attacked.  You keep talking about "peace", but I 
didn't see much peace on September 11th.  You can not blame us 
for being angry over that and the Anthrax attacks which ensued.

Then, you try to pretend that Bin Laden had nothing to do with 
it.  Oh, come on.  Even the Pakistanis, whose people have been 
Bin Laden's bitches for years, say the evidence against bin 
Laden is incontrivertible.

Free speech means that you have the right to express your 
opinion.  It doesn't mean it will be popular, and people won't 
tell you to f*ck off as a result.

GROW UP!

From: SBD
To: Ashraf
Subject: and one more thing...
Date: Thu Nov 8 23:37:17 2001

Message:
Don't try to make this into a religious war.

I don't have a problem with peaceful Muslims.  But the ones who 
believe that their religion is in any way superior to others, 
and then want to take violent action as a result are my enemy!  
If you believe in forcing others into your religious views, then 
I will tell you to shove your Koran squarely up your A$$....  

And I would tell the same thing to a Christian as it relates to 
the Bible.

Many of your people believe we are soft.  But you are about to 
learn otherwise.  Personally, I would rather die a violent death 
than live for one day under the ilk of bin Laden and the 
Taliban, who forcefully oppose their religious views on others.

And as an aside, how many women have caught bullets in the back 
of their heads in Afghanistan by the hands of the Taliban for 
simply showing their faces in public, chief?  That is downright 
repulsive to me as a human being, and it is comparable in nature 
to the actions of the Nazis.

It's wrong, and I won't lose a wink of sleep over those Bastards 
meeting their graves for their atrocities against humanity.

From: exhausted
To: UK Voices
Subject: Thank you
Date: Thu Nov 8 23:50:53 2001

Message:
For gracing us all with your presence, you conceited prick. I 
appreciate your post because it allowed me to get mad. I 
read your entire post hoping to find something rational to 
respond to with conversation, but I only found the usual. 
That was too long to be devoid of content! How did you do 
it??? You must be a genius! How someone could write 
nearly two pages of absolutely worthless thought! 

Your special forces have helped America sometimes, but 
you would not be living as you are today without the help of 
the US armed forces. You are an ingrate. No, wait - you're a 
bloody wanker. Maybe you couldn't understand what I think 
of you without some British slang thrown in. 

Can you not at least give us some gratitude for the movies 
we produce that you obviously base your life on? Can't you 
find your own identity?? "I'm intelligent because I watch 
more movies than you!" I can't believe that you think you 
have anything to offer the people of this site. 

How could you write such a long post without including 
anything factual, intelligent, or worth reading? You must be a 
genius! How could anyone write two pages of text so 
completely devoid of thought! I wasted 5 minutes of my life 
reading that! 

Thanks again for pissing me off so I'd have something to 
say. Sorry there is really nothing to respond to here, I don't 
have much to go on.

If this is your life, I do not envy you.

From: exhausted
To: Ashraf
Subject: thanks
Date: Fri Nov 9 00:52:38 2001

Message:
Thank you for posting on this board. Sorry that you have to 
be the Muslim everyone pins stuff on. You obviously have a 
lot of sense and are trying to speak up about your 
opposition to this "jihad" against America and the rest of the 
world. Please tell me you weren't joking when you said you 
could take out Bin Laden...please...

Don't worry, I wasn't getting my hopes up, but it's always 
nice to think there could be swifter justice done.

Come again, yours is a well put opinion with enough 
conflicting interests to make this interesting.

From: exhausted
To: UK Voices
Subject: Model for your next post
Date: Fri Nov 9 00:59:12 2001

Message:
It should go something like this:

Hello Chaps! I just wanted to come by and not read 
anybody's posts just so I can tell you all that I have 
absolutely nothing to say!

That should be sufficient and will not take up nearly as 
much space as the rambling drivel you spit out earlier.

From: ANGEL OF MERCY
To: PEOPLE OF AFGHANISTAN/MIDDLE EAST
Subject: ISLAM--ALLAH--MOSLEMS
Date: Fri Nov 9 02:43:39 2001

Message:
The People Of Afghanistan Worship A False  G O D  ...

ALLAH  is  a  false   G O D  ...

ISLAM IS A FALSE RELIGION ...

The Islamic Prophets and Leaders have brainwashed the poor
misguided Afghans, as well as all Moslems worldwide.

Your Islamic Leaders are Stupid Morons and should be eliminated
from this planet. Your Religious Leaders Are Truly Against You
And Have Woven You Into Slavery. They Are Controlled By The 
Wealthy Rulers Of The Middle East.

Be Warned..Your Efforts In War Are Futile..Your Only Reward Is A
False Heaven..Your Society Can Be Eradicated..

LEAVE AFGHANISTAN....BEWARE OF ARAB ROYALITY....ALLAH IS A FALSE
GOD.

From The One Who Really Cares ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

From: U.K.Citizen
To: All
Subject: U.S. President
Date: Fri Nov 9 05:36:58 2001

Message:
President Bush....Great speech!..."Let's Roll!"...nuff said.

From: Spy
To: U.K.Citizen
Subject: "CONFRONT IT AND DEFEAT IT !"
Date: Fri Nov 9 08:09:11 2001

Message:
"CONFRONT IT AND DEFEAT IT !"

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Spy
Subject: No Fear
Date: Fri Nov 9 08:27:49 2001

Message:
You got that right, HoooYaaaa!!!

From: Ashraf
To: Exhausted
Subject: ...
Date: Fri Nov 9 08:47:07 2001

Message:

From: Binny
To: Ashraf
Date: Fri Nov 9 09:00:25 2001

Message:
Ashraf, my brother...no one has high-jacked (oops, sorry, poor 
choice of words) my name yet on this infidel board as far as I 
can tell....remain suspicious my friend for those that would try 
and speak for the one-true-Binny...I did FINALLY receive the 
first shipment of supplies...yo mamma is grateful (and 
lucky)...the can of infidel Right-Guard was not necessary, 
however...

your pal,
Binny

From: Spy
To: Eagel Eye
Subject: the jerk knows his name at least
Date: Fri Nov 9 09:20:56 2001

Message:
notice how uk voices responds to his a.k.a. uk farts/uk vomit
etc.
the guy's a bit smarter than I orignally gave him credit for.

From: Ashraf
To: Exhausted
Subject: ...
Date: Fri Nov 9 09:18:05 2001

Message:
Exhausted...
Sorry about the blank message above, but I have never laughed so 
hard as I did when I read your impression of the next UK voices 
impression... The first 2 words was all it took, to burst me 
into laughter, thereby, pressing the return key, rather than the 
tab.. It was absolutely hilarious.. You have a seriously great 
sense of humour.. I think you've been around Brits long enough 
to know the first few words that would come out of their 
mouths.. Great great sense of humour again bro..

About OBL, as a Muslim, the punishment for falsely swearing in 
the name of Allah, is hell, without remedy.. so with respect to 
your question, I swear to Allah, I swear to God, I can get to 
this guy, faster than all of your troops, and the troops of the 
Northern Alliance put together, for reasons, again, that I would 
rather keep to myself, but would disclose the same to the right 
authorities.. I was on the FBI.gov site last night, but I didnt 
find the right connection to get my message across..

Once more: Ashraf@UAEDesertSafari.com and this should shut Eagle-
Eye's Binny's mouth for good (Eagle-Eye ;)..

Peace..


From: Ashraf
To: SBD & Spy..
Subject: ...
Date: Fri Nov 9 09:31:49 2001

Message:
SBD..
Thank you for your post..
In the midst of all the articles above, I would not blame you if 
you had missed the article I have repasted herein below.. Thanx 
for showing your concern.. If the article does not answer your 
questions, please let me know..

 From: Ashraf 
To: John & Everyman 
Subject: ... 
Date: Thu Nov 8 07:45:27 2001 
Message:
John..
Saddam's son, named Odai, wonders Iraq with a fully tiger, tied 
with a gold chain around his hand, lives like there's no 
tomorrow, rapes EACH AND EVERY woman that is of his liking, 
infront of her mother, father or husband, then throws her from 
his privately owned chopper! And this is not bull&%$@#. If this 
is the son, what do u think the father will be like? Saddam is 
the most ignorant man about Islam. The idiot wrote the whole 
Quran in his own blood, to show his faked love therefore, 
whereas it is clearly stated in the quran, once blood touches 
any part of a Muslim's body, he must take abolution, an act of 
purity before prayers, let alone writing the whole Quran in 
Blood, then being proud of it! He should be shot in the head, 
coz all the economic boycotts on Iraq go directly to hurt and 
kill the Iraqi children, who die in the millions. Saddam just 
sits back and smiles. I have seen pictures of his army personnel 
kissing his hands and feet, in the name of Islam, an act that 
neither the Prophet Mohammed nor Jesus nor Moses had ever 
ordered their followers to do. The ultimate victims are the 
children., despite America's sincere attemts to bring him down. 
The right move would be to send a hitman, to take him out. 
Period.. John.. if there existed a true terrorist, it would be 
no other than the damned Saddam..
Ps: Saddam means "Car Bumper" in Arabic...

About OBL: For your information, he follows a clan, called the 
Wahabi's. They are a clan of no spiritual guidance, meaning, 
that they are extremely EXTREMELY superficial in their 
interpretation of the Quran, and as you said, they have their 
own interpretation thereof. It is like looking at a glass, half 
full, when asked, OBL would say it is half-empty. If you 
disagree, you are a disbeliever in Allah. That's it.
As much as I would like my wife to wear a hijab, she doesnt, but 
I dont force it upon her, and I dont regard her to be an 
infidel, nor a disbeliever. I can easily stand (at the top of 
that mountain and preach ;) : Oh! How anti-Islamic of you!! but 
I dont.. It is Allah's job to ask account her for her doings, 
not me. Allah said to the Prophet Mohammed himself in the Holy 
Quran:
" You are merely responsible for conveying My words to them, in 
detail " 
The Prophet never ordered the enforecement of Islam, upon 
anyone, but OBL conveniently over looks such verses.

END........................

Spy..

Welcome back.. long time no see..

Peace..

From: Ashraf
To: Eagle-Eye..
Subject: ..
Date: Fri Nov 9 09:39:56 2001

Message:
Dear Eagle-Eye..

What we are doing to each other, can last for a period no less 
than that taken up by the war against Terror.. I am not out here 
to make enemies, but to make friends.. 

Peace..

From: Ashraf
To: Angel Of Death..
Subject: ..
Date: Fri Nov 9 09:45:01 2001

Message:
To start with, OBL is not our leader.. All he can lead are a 
bunch of cows, which will inevitably drawn in the first 2 inch 
deep spring.. alongwith him..

But that 1 person ( u realise how I didnt say: 1 man, coz we 
dont regard him as being so), doesnt speak for the 1 BILLION 
other Muslims..

Secondly.. I, as well as many others on this planet, believe in 
the existance of God, whether you name Him Allah, God, Jesus, 
Budda, Mother-Nature or even Satin, in case of those who follow 
the Satanic believe, most of the people on this little world of 
ours, believe in the existance of God, each giving Him name that 
suits each one of us best.. 

Now, to say that u believe in God, but not in Allah, in Budda, 
but not in Jesus, is entirely up to you, but by calling any one 
of these "Gods" a false God, you would indirectly be 
contradicting yourself.. 

There are also those who do not believe in any God, or any 
religion.. again, that is up to them, but if you have never 
ridden a bicycle, you would be the last person to say whether a 
BMX is better than a Raleigh,  ie which of the Gods is the true 
God.. 

So if you believe that the God that you follow is the right God, 
we as Muslims, believe that Allah is our God.. and Mohammed,   
Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Izaac, Jacob, Lut, Ismael, Younes and 
many others May peace Be Upon Them all, are our Prophets, sent 
by Allah to guide the people to the right path..

Ps: No God calls for the killings of innocent civilians, as done 
by OBL..

Peace.. 

From: PATHFINDER
To: ASHRAF
Subject: PEACE
Date: Fri Nov 9 10:01:54 2001

Message:
Peace is a concept whose time has come.  It can not be a peace 
based on a theocracy.  Every government in history that has 
based its power on a calling from a god has destroyed its 
citzens.  A strange thing happens to those who believe they are 
acting in the name of god......they torture and murder. The 
Catholic Church, Calvinism, and certain sects of Islam are only 
a few examples.  

I have always maintained that there are four enemies of mankind: 
the Catholic Church, Communism, radical Isalm, and unrestricted 
capitalism.  Two have been defeated, though they require 
vigilance to ensure they do not rise up again, and two must be.

My question:  Which two have been defeated?


From: Ashraf
To: Angel Of Death..
Subject: ...
Date: Fri Nov 9 10:11:51 2001

Message:
The True God will be known to All of us, you and me, after 
death.. 
Till then, me and you have all the time in the world to double 
check our beliefs, and not to impose our Gods upon others, nor 
to discard each other's Gods either..

You have your religion, and I have mine..

Peace..

From: PATHFIDER
To: ASHRAF
Subject: INNOCENT CIVILIANS
Date: Fri Nov 9 10:15:24 2001

Message:
JEHOVAH called for the killing of innocent civilians..look it up.
ALLAH called for the killing of innocent civilians...look it up.
Both the Bible and the Koran call for the killing of innocents 
under certain circumstances.  Does the saying "devote them to 
destruction " mean anything?

From: hthomasclarke
To: all
Subject: International Relations
Date: Thu Nov 8 17:43:29 2001

Message:
America and the Arabic Nations

We in America have sorely used the people of the Middle East, 
both as proxies and pawns in our struggle with the Soviet Union 
and for political reasons as cheap resources for our allies and 
our gain.  Do we wonder why they are so angry and desperate to 
wound our society?  Look at the history of our dealings and see 
the shame.  

People who are constantly punished for little discernable reason 
develop through their sadness a state of mind that sees 
themselves as bad.  Doesn't matter if they are or not, or if 
they are one small boy being picked on by bullies or small 
nations slammed by the most powerful, the effect remains the 
same.  A loss of hope and righteous anger result.  (If you ain't 
got nothin', you got nothin" to lose!)

We now have voted, through our representatives to spend Forty 
Billion Dollars to strike back at the results of that anger and 
loss of hope.  We see "Muslim Extremist" and "Terrorist" used 
side by side in the press and we hear "Jihad" thrown about by 
all involved.  Jihad, "holy war" is signified by many voices; 
few seem to know or acknowledge the meaning writ by the 
Prophet.  So boom, this country of Judeo-Christian propensity is 
not engaged in turning the cheek, but rather are preparing to 
join in this "Holy War" against our brothers?  And make no 
mistake my good patriotic American brothers, most of those 
followers of Islam we will wind up blowing off the face of the 
earth are our brothers.  Ask your clergy person.  

And most of that Forty Billion will go directly to the big 
military-industrial players without even passing Go, while the 
overall results will be once again dropping large munitions on 
small brown people and making even smaller pieces of them.  Humm-
 great icebreaker for a stalled economy, isn't it.  (See 1984 by 
H.G. Wells)  We take out five to seven hundred thousand of them 
while regrettably losing ten to fifteen thousand of our fine, 
brave young men and women.  We will have symbolic victories; 
they will still hate us and have no hope, even worse.  This will 
not end the terror, will it?

Not when their life is so small that slamming an airliner into 
an office building and going out in a blaze of glory seems a 
fine way of making it large.  Yes, we are in a war  we have been 
for some time, but our denial mechanism works extremely well, so 
we have been unable to see it.  Now, it's clear, we are at war.  
There are better ways of winning than by bombing.  I propose we 
take half of that forty billion dollars and go help those who 
are in need in the Middle East.  Not as a Mia culpa but as 
noblis oblige.  Do the right thing.

Take Bin Laden and roll his network up?  Support the Northern 
Afghan political movement, let the Telban whither and die?  Not 
a bad thing all together, but support the Palestinian people, 
and actually support those regimes and movements that look to 
the good of those oppressed and bring a real Pax Americana to 
that region.  At least they will see us differently when it's 
done (and it will get done, sooner than the other way.)  We lose 
far fewer young people to the dogs of war; we do some good and 
for far less money too.  That forty was only for the immediate 
needs.  Much more to come, don't you know.  Take the other half 
and give every survivors family one million dollars.  Take the 
remaining fourteen billion and guarantee bonds for the 
rebuilding of the infrastructure in lower Manhattan.  Float a 
loan to the airlines; they only lost a week or two of revenues, 
both they and the builders of that new high rent space in New 
York are well able to pay most of their own way.  Don't sell our 
countries soul to fill their bowls of gruel over our children's 
bodies.  Don't you dare.  God is not mocked, neither is He 
fooled by hypocrisy.  Nor should we be  the scoundrel's are at 
the flag again, mother.  Wrapped so fully you can't see their 
pockets bulge.  When you see the first buds on the tree you know 
the season; you see which way the wind blows.  

The only "Holy" war in any of our traditions is that fought 
within against those things which sicken our own spirits.  
Anger, fear, hatred, murder, avarice, lust, covetousness and 
placing anything before God in our hearts and minds; these we 
can war upon in ourselves in all righteousness.  Other than 
that, trees, buildings, women and children and other people 
unless having at us with malice and force of arms are not to be 
touched.  It's in the Books  all of them.  Much more delineated 
in Koran than Bible, but it's in there.  Read, mark and inwardly 
digest before you violate the tenants of your own faith.  You 
shall do no murder, it is written.  Play nice, don't hurt.

Tom Clarke

From: Ashraf
To: PathFinder..
Subject: ...
Date: Fri Nov 9 10:17:57 2001

Message:
Your question is a good one, and the points you have stated are 
valid, about the killings in the name of religion.. but please 
allow me to ask you.. Do you think that once all four are 
defeated, a new fifth faith would not rise..?

It will.. it is just the nature of humans.. the need to have a 
religion, if supposing that religion didnot actually originate 
from a true god.. 
I think, people with their various religions can live in peace.. 
together, provided no-one imposes one's religion against others..

Going back to your Question, If I am not mistaken, the two that 
need to be cooled off, via vigilant measures, are the radical 
Islamists and the Catholic Church, and the 2 that have already 
been defeated, are Communism and unrestricted Capitalism.. 

Peace..

From: John
To: Tom Clark
Subject: The pendulum of beliefs sway with education, only challenged by fixed position.
Date: Fri Nov 9 10:36:53 2001

Message:
Tom Clark,

I repost this piece with the hope you may face the reality of 
this situation.  I seriously doubt you will of course, but maybe 
one day you will.  The pendulum of beliefs sway with education, 
only challenged by fixed position.


All the best,

John
E pluribus unum

*******


Prayers for all the dead and missing, But...

by John Glenn M.


When a pacifists or acrimonious America abhorrer opens the anti-
war dialogue it usually starts with a short quick condolence, 
followed by an explanation of why what happened to the United 
States was is in response to something the United States did 
outside its borders.   It begins like this:

"Prayers for all the dead and missing, But.., Americans please
learn from this instead of just filling up with bile and hatred. 
Corporate and military America has acted with impunity for too 
long.  Many people in the world are angry with American 
corporate behavior in third world countries..."

Mr./Ms. Pacifist, Usama bin Laden, the leader of this Jihad
(Holy War) currently speaks and acts for all Radical Islam.
Usama prays and fights Jihad to make cause for the extermination
of all Westerners, or the Islamizing of.

Usama's radical form of Islam has been compared to the 
Christian practices of the 7th Century.  But the radical 
theocratic religion condoned atrocities of radical Islam are far 
greater then the early Christian atrocities.  For radical Islam, 
all human rights including the right of religious choice,
free speech (including laughter and song) have been banned.  To 
smile, or to shave ones beard is punishable by the most barbaric 
punishment imaginable.

The trampled rights of men are seconded only to that of the 
women of Islam.  Women possess rights equal to that of swine; 
living out desperate lives as slaves, available only for the 
pleasure of the male and the bearing of progeny.  Suffice to 
say, any and all pleasures or freedoms enjoyed by free peoples 
are forbidden by radical Islam. 

Usama bin Laden wants you, me, the entire world to follow the 
Quran as he, the Taliban of Afghanistan and Iran do.  If not, we 
must not exist.

Usama pledges to topple the rule of Islamic nations who practice 
considerably more moderate form of Islam; such as Pakistan, Saudi
Arabia, Egypt, UAE, Jordan, Quatar, and even Iraq.  Support 
cultivates amongst some of the populations of these nations, but 
not their leaders, democratic or imperialistic.   Usama's 
support grows not for fundamentalism, but borne of al Qaeda 
Islamic revolution generated hatred of the West.

That's what this Jihad, and the terrorism it delivers, is 
about.  And certainly not something the United States did 
outside its borders.

The Quran, and not solely Usama's interpretation, but all Islam;
the Muslim Brotherhood Movement's main objective is: "The
Mastering of the World with Islam by Jihad."  

Not all Islam will take up Jihad for a cause not likely 
attainable.  The Muslim World as a whole is far more moderate 
than Usama.  But given opportunity and if perceived convincingly 
attainable, Muslim's would fight Jihad for the pursuit of 
Islamizing the world.  Only time, education, and the spread of 
capitalistic ideals will advance this 7th century interpretation 
of Usama's Quran into the 21st century.

Usama gains support from the weak, broken spirited, uneducated, 
and financially ruined Muslim follower, by exclamation of 
Western invasion of sacred Islamic sites, and perception that 
America is cause for the starving of Muslim brethren in Iraq.  

This false foundation of Usama's breeds the hate and grows the 
support for his radical cause.  Usama is a master of deception.  
If the Muslim on the street knew of the human rights abuses, as 
Iran's populace know all too well after 20 years of radical 
Muslim rule, Usama's support would collapse.

The world's educated understand why America stood ground in 
Saudi Arabia; to drive Saddam Hussein from occupied Kuwait and 
to prevent the imminent invasion of Saudi Arabia.  Even Usama 
bin Laden understands this.  His deception to the Muslim World 
is his call for support and the fuel for his cause.

This Jihad has nothing to do with anything America did to Usama, 
to Iraq, or to Islam.  This Jihad is about Usama bin Laden and 
al Qaeda's attempt to convert the world to his form of radical 
Islam, starting with the Arabian peninsula.

Usama's pure insanity has he and his followers believing 
that "the pursuit of the goal is as great as the goal."  Hence, 
suicide bombers who die for Jihad.  It is preferred, but it does 
not matter to Usama bin Laden if his Jihad is won, as to die for 
Allah is reward.  Allah appreciates the suicide bombing murder of
Infidels and Zionist.  Allah rewards such action in heaven.  
Kill all Infidels and Zionists wherever they be found.  So says 
Usama's Quran interpretation.

This war is not about something the United States did.  And this 
war is not about revenge.  This war is about destroying the men 
on this planet who believe and support Jihad terrorism.

We must destroy them before they destroy us.  We will destroy 
them not because we hate them, but because they hate us.


Copyright 2001 JGM

E pluribus unum

From: John
To: Tom Clark
Subject: I prefer to act to avoid the planned future for worldwide depression layed out by Usama bin Laden and al Quaeda, at whatever cost.
Date: Fri Nov 9 10:55:43 2001

Message:
The vitality of this world is in jeopardy.  Whatever great 
number of dollars spent or may waste far outweighs the 
alternative should no immediate action be taken to rid this 
planet of this madman and ALL terrorist organizations with 
global reach.

Another strike at our economy as significant or greater to the 
strike of 9/11 could have effect of throwing our economy into a 
tailspin spiral downward with little chance of recovery.

Economies are fragile, propped up merely by expectation of 
future return.  A significant strike will jeopardize future 
returns.  No future returns equals no future but global economic 
depression extinguishing your way of life and mine.

If you care to sit around examining policies that may have 
brought upon the current crisis, that of course is your choice.  
I prefer to act to avoid the planned future of worldwide 
depression layed out by Usama bin Laden and al Quaeda, at 
whatever cost.

John
E pluribus unum

From: John
To: READERS
Subject: She wouldn't make up such a story just to draw attention to her family. No one would do that. Would they?
Date: Fri Nov 9 11:57:49 2001

Message:
Upon reading this morning, Chelsea Clinton's recount of events 
of the morning of September 11, I thought to myself, that 
doesn't jive with what I previously read.  Hillary had said on 
September 12th, "Chelsea was at ground zero jogging around the 
towers, and had stopped up the street to buy some coffee."

I thought to myself as I read Hillary's account, that sounds 
awfully fishy, but maybe.  Maybe it was true.  Its just, - I do 
not believe anything this lady says.  Then I thought, No.  She 
wouldn't make up such a story just to draw attention to her 
family.  No one would do that.  Would they?

Well I was wrong.  She did.  Hillary lied again.  Why?  What 
purpose does it serve?  No purpose.

It's just her.  It what she is, and about.  She must lie.

http://www.drudgereport.com/mattch.htm

John
E pluribus unum


From: BigSky
To: All
Date: Fri Nov 9 11:48:25 2001

Message:
I do not think the economy would crumble, we are resilient, 
but it would not be good for anyone since the world is run by 
money. 

I also do not see how Islam could be considered in any way 
a peaceful religion as its history is that of war, and the fact 
that the word "jihad" is in the vocabulary of that religion 
should tell us what we need to know.

And in examining policies that brought this about, it's not 
just about the last 40 years, although that seems to be how 
long our memory is, but thousands of years that have 
brought about this hatred, the recurring call to jihad by 
Islamic fundamentalists.

OBL has a captive audience and a focal point for the rage of 
disenfranchised muslims the world over - he can't really 
blame a fellow Muslim for ills in the Arab world now can he?
In the west we do not share this unifying force of belief--we 
allow dissension. Is that even possible in Islam? 

Time to reform the religion, time for another prophet to come 
to earth with God's true words--what would they be?





From: Justice USA
To: All
Subject: Koran book about War
Date: Fri Nov 9 12:52:58 2001

Message:
The fucken koran bullshit was written during war time and it is 
UNBELIEVABLE that we would be dealing with these scumbags and 
their archaic beliefs in this century!  When I was a kid, I 
remember, we had to duck and cover under our desks during our 
emergency war drills.  We kids in the fifties grew up fearing 
Russia, etc. and coming almost at the tail end of Hitler's 
regime.  Who the fuck would have EVER thought that these 
backwards, smelly, goat fuckers would ever be able to do this to 
our great country?  But then again, any COWARD can drive a plane 
into a building and any moron can get anthrax and put it in 
envelopes.  These are punk terrorists that have no right to 
live.  I love the way Bush said "LET'S ROLL"  I think Jane Fonda 
is a CUNT for treating our soldiers the way she did.  
Disgraceful bitch.  Her prick, Ted Turner is not any better 
either.  Nope, that billionaire fuck is a greedy AOL/CABLE 
maggot and just what the hell has he contributed to these 
current tragedies?  Funny, how we dont hear about Donald Hump, 
or Ted Spermer cumming up with any donations.  If UK VOICES has 
the balls to come on this site again, "IT" will be very scared 
to post.  Probably comes on here to read it though.  I dont 
understand why Ashraf has to come here and spout his shit.  We 
are obviously going to be hostile to any ARABIC or MUSLIM shit 
on this site. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a 
duck.....  Eagle, I got the baby bin burgers for you and John I 
have burnt the fries for you.  Spy, put your order in while I am 
still cooking.  Yes, I agree even an animal's SHIT is more 
precious than any live taliban fuck.  Did you people hear that 
this summer in July, Asshola Lardass came to the United States 
to get TREATMENT for his kidney condition.  I dont know where I 
read it, but if that doesnt tear me a new asshole.........

From: John
To: BigSky et al
Subject: Now what of this economy that is based primarily on consumer spending?
Date: Fri Nov 9 13:14:04 2001

Message:
You said -->  I do not think the economy would crumble, we are 
resilient, but it would not be good for anyone since the world 
is run by money.

I am not necessarily responding to you, but for others who may 
not fully comprehend the seriousness of the situation.

*******

Well, Mr. Big Sky, I'm afraid you are terribly naive.  The 
strike on the WTC was exactly that, the first strike at our 
economy.

Let's see if I can put this into perspective for you.  It is a 
stipulated fact that consumer spending accounts for two thirds 
of the United States economy.  That being, without consumer 
spending the economy will contract (shrink) as is happening 
now.  Our legislative body is scrambling to produce a 
stimulative package to boost the economy to avoid recession.  
The recession we are now in.  A recession is defined as an 
economy that contracts for four or more consecutive reporting 
periods within a period of otherwise increasing prosperity.  We 
have not had four reporting periods yet.  Only with hindsight 
will we truly know where we are today.  I believe, and many 
believe we are in a recession.  This recession would not be a 
recession, had it not been for Sept 11, which served to further 
contract consumer spending.

Now what about additional attacks, what would they do to our 
economy?

That would depend of course on the type of attack and its 
scope.  I can only surmise as to the type of attack based upon 
the threat.

Let's say it's biological, smallpox say.  A few contamidated al 
Qaeda terrorists from cells here in the US decide to spread 
smallpox in three US cities simultaneously.  The disease is 
detected, cities are quarantined, people are vaccinated 
(hopefully) to control its spread.  The damage is actually 
somewhat limited in scope, effected are say 20,000 people.  Are 
you going shopping?  Is anybody going shopping?  Consumer 
spending comes to a complete halt.  Now what of this economy 
that is based primarily on consumer spending?

Need I say more?  Or do I need to carry it further and show you 
the international ramifications and how strikes of this nature 
could amount to not solely a national depression, but a global 
depression.


John
E pluribus unum

From: Ashraf
To: PathFinder..
Subject: ...
Date: Fri Nov 9 12:03:25 2001

Message:
True.. they do.. the bible does, and so does the Quran.. but 
this not always a bad thing..for example..:

OBL has killed over 5,000 innocent civilians.. according to the 
Quran, he is to be sentenced to death.. 

Are you trying to say that is an unfair judgement? If not, 
please explain..

Peace..

From: Ashraf
To: John
Subject: A joke..
Date: Fri Nov 9 14:09:17 2001

Message:
Bill Clinton goes out for his daily morning jog. Everyday, he 
passes by these 2 hot babes, and says:
"How much would it take to have both you ladies come home and 
join me for a drink?"
"100 dollars each" they reply. He says:
"I'll give you 20, for both". They get pissed, and he contiues 
jogging.
The next morning, the same thing happens. Still, they wouldnt 
give in for 20 dollars..
On the third day, he goes out jogging with Hillary Clinton.. 
Jogging past his 2 friends, he pretends not to know them, and 
turns the other way.
They scream out:

"That's what you get for 20 dollars!!"

Piece.. of humour for a change..

From:
To:
Date: Fri Nov 9 14:53:02 2001

Message:
All those who believe this represents their opinion, please 
speak up...

Reposted:

From: Justice USA 
To: All 
Subject: Koran book about War 
Date: Fri Nov 9 12:52:58 2001 
Message:

1. The fucken koran bullshit was written during war time and it 
is UNBELIEVABLE that we would be dealing with these scumbags and 
their archaic beliefs in this century! 
  
2. I dont understand why Ashraf has to come here and spout his 
shit.  We are obviously going to be hostile to any ARABIC or 
MUSLIM shit on this site. 

END of Quote..

Peace..

From: Ashraf
To: All
Subject: Above Post
Date: Fri Nov 9 15:09:41 2001

Message:
Sorry..

Forgot the details above.. from, to, subj.. etc..

Peace.. 

From: John
To: TALIBAN
Subject: eyo ehhhyyo... Run .. Mr. Taliban, Airforce come and they flatten your home...
Date: Fri Nov 9 16:11:17 2001

Message:
Came upon this amongst my fav's.  Not certain its origination.

Great piece!

http://www.tuttii.com/binladen/

John
E...

From: Binny
To: Ashraf
Date: Fri Nov 9 17:34:28 2001

Message:
Ashraf, my brother...it is with great pain (how I do enjoy that 
word!) that I must leave this board because you no longer 
provide much humor for me...I understand that you have chosen 
subversive tactics and words to deal with these infidels...that 
is fine and in accordance with page 12 of the Curan (Karen? 
Barron?) where it speaks of how to deal with infidels....this is 
just not the style that Binny prefers...I never did like page 12 
anyway...it should not be there...i think in the next version i 
write, i will remove it....stink'n infidel page 12!!!...I did so 
remember and prefer your character from the old days when you 
were ruthless and venom spewed from your mouth...oh, Ashraf, my 
brother, you made it look so easy.....you have made me so 
proud...but I can see that you are now evolving and even 
morphing into a diplomat.....I know your strategy will be 
successful...always remember, my brother, that our hearts are 
dark and one with each other...hey! remember that time when we 
picked up those two 'veiled ones' on the corner in 
Kandahar ...ahhh, they were so sweet....but no time to 
reminisce...we did bury the bodies, right?...doesn't matter I 
suppose......anyway, live long and prosper, and all that other 
stuff...that pointy eared one always made me laugh....goodbye, 
my son Ashraf...remember...TNSOI (Take No Stuff Off Infidels)....

your pal,
Binny

From: exhausted
To: All
Subject: vacation
Date: Fri Nov 9 17:36:01 2001

Message:
Halleluja! I live for the weekends. I just had to stop in and 
see how things are going. 

Ashraf, I'm glad I could give you a laugh. That bloke really 
irks me. Your tolerance is admirable - the coolest-headed 
person in here. 

John - we'll do everything we can to keep this economy 
going (including fight hard!). Were you ever a boyscout? You 
sound quite prepared. 

EagleEye - hope someone comes in here for you to rip on. 
You do crack me up. Ashraf is only trying to chat, but it's okay 
to disagree - I love America. 

Justice USA - bbq smells good, hope you have a good 
weekend.

Allatti2d - missed you for a while, I hope all is well.

Finally, Last and certainly least, UK Voices - I hope you 
actually came and read some people's posts this time. If 
not, go rent a movie instead of filling up space on this page.

Happy weekend everyone - let's hope for some big victories.

From: EagleEye
To: All - especially Ashraf
Subject: ....your brothers - This is just too good.
Date: Fri Nov 9 18:42:50 2001

Message:
Praise be to ALLAh and Peace on him ....... eh Ashraf?  

And to think ..... the stench filled womb that bore this feces 
wrapped in skin "survived". Ohhh the pathetic irony.

Hey binny ... you'll love the ensuing story. Should we fax it to 
you, or encrypt in that Pamela Anderson video clip your so fond 
of ....?

BTW - I hear theres some great internment camp land available 
west of El Paso - East of Vegas  should be very comforting and 
Middle Eastern like surroundings for the ARABs and Muzzies 
to "chill" - like a vast deportation holding area.  We might 
need to "test" a few BLU-82's there though.

Let's Roll !!!
----------------------------------------------------
New York survivor's son turns traitor 
Damon Johnston in New York
06nov01
MOHAMMAD Junaid's mother was led to safety from the blazing 
World Trade Centre by New York's brave firefighters and 
policemen.


But 26-year-old Junaid's thank you has shocked New York. 

In return for saving his mum's life, the Islamic-American has 
turned traitor and bought a one-way ticket to Pakistan to sign 
up for the Taliban and kill Americans. 

Junaid left on what could be a suicide mission one week after 
his mother   an office worker on the ninth floor of the north 
tower   was among the survivors. 

About 4500 others were not so lucky, and lost their lives in the 
terror strikes on September 11. 

"My mother was in the north tower of the World Trade Centre but 
I still feel absolutely no remorse about what happened on 
September 11," Junaid said. 

"I saw the towers collapse but felt nothing for the Americans 
inside. I may hold an American passport, but I am not an 
American   I am a Muslim." 

Junaid offered his own personal jihad against his own country 
when in Islamabad, Pakistan, as he waited to cross the border 
into Afghanistan to join the Taliban. 

"I did not feel any remorse for the Americans who died," Junaid 
told Britain's ITN television network. 

"I'm willing to kill the Americans. I will kill every American 
that I see in Afghanistan. And I'll kill every American soldier 
that I see in Pakistan." 

Junaid's parents migrated from Pakistan. 

From: Ricky
To: ALL
Subject: WANKERS
Date: Fri Nov 9 19:23:55 2001

Message:
AT THE END OF THE DAY, BEAR IN MIND IT WAS US , ENGLAND WHO MADE 
THE STATE OF ISRAEL NOT THE USA, BUT EVERYONE IS TOO FUCKING 
SCARED TO TAKE THE BRITISH ON BECAUSE WE HAVE PROVED TIME AND 
AGAIN, WE TAKE NO SHIT AND KILL ANY CUNT WHO TRYS TO GIVE US IT.
SO FUCK OFF, GROW UP, AND STOP BLAMING THE USA FOR SOMETHING WE 
CAUSED.
TAKE US ON.



                   IF YOU THINK YOU 
CAN??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
?

From: Ricky
To: all
Subject: ALLAH
Date: Fri Nov 9 19:35:14 2001

Message:
ALLAH lies to you all, he belives in death and gay sex with his 
BROTHERS????? Fucking weirdo.
More like he had a tiny dick and was too scared to fuck a woman, 
that would explain why you wankers have to hide women away, you 
are ALL too fucking scared of them, GOD made them equal, you 
cant take that can you?????
ALLAH is a fucking gay who got fucked, Bin Laden is a gay and he 
will be fucked and my ENGLISH son I hope is the lucky bastard 
who will kill him.
ROCK ON BUSH AND BLAIR.


WE ARE COMING, WE ARE COMING, SO START RUNNING.

From: Spy
To: Ashraf
Date: Fri Nov 9 19:36:23 2001

Message:
Ashraf--don't take this the wrong way, but you have got to be 
one of the most interesting posters on this site.
What makes you stand out so much to me  ? What have you 
done that is so different from the rest ? For you're the only 
one who has done this "thing" I question you on.
I don't mean to be rude---for I think you know I haven't 
"attacked" you nor have I've been overly hard on you. I've  
only questioned you.
So--if you would--------if you understand-----if you 
can----answer the above questions please.
This is somewhat of a test. Your analysis of the question 
and answer will reflect on my opinions, but you already 
knew that.
Think about the question----think about what I 
mean-------think about our past post to each other and think 
about posts to others.
I will continue latter regardless of answers------but now is a 
time you can shine; or now is a time
you can "advoid"---the choice is yours.

From a distant person who is suspicisous of you---but still 
trying to comunicate.     Spy

From: Spy
To: Ashraf
Subject: just this question----(for now)
Date: Fri Nov 9 20:13:53 2001

Message:
What have you 
done that is so different from the rest ? 

From: Spy
To: John
Subject: You're not really gonna do the big C on this, are you ?
Date: Sun Nov 4 22:10:02 2001

Message:
(don't start yelling at me--twas a joke)
I thought about it three weeks ago---"someones getting a 
neat book out of this."

From: Spy
To: U.K.Citizen
Subject: "Glad you're on the Board"
Date: Fri Nov 9 20:55:51 2001

Message:
hell ---I don't say much myself-but;"glad you're on the board."

From: Justice
To: John
Subject: The Clintons
Date: Fri Nov 9 21:07:09 2001

Message:
I guess it is in their nature to lie.

For all those that are wondering Justice and Justice USA are not 
the same person.  Same views, but different person.

From: John
To: Spy
Date: Fri Nov 9 21:15:25 2001

Message:
I know the answer you seek of Ashraf.  I expect him to respond 
with a number of answers so as to cover all bases.  :-)

With regard to the c, my stuff is c.

John
E...

copyright MMI JGM   :-)


PS - I suspect the posts for any print version, if marketable, 
will be a sampling representing only the most foul posts, 
lacking of any true dialogue, limited mostly to anti-Arab, anti-
Muslim sentiments.  And that would be too bad.  But that may be 
the only market, as that is the meat of this board, and probably 
the only market.  Those who would buy it being the same as those 
who write it.  Notice I said buy it, not read it.  It's obvious 
they do not read.  :-)

From: John
To: Spy
Date: Fri Nov 9 21:40:53 2001

Message:
Hey Spy, How bout some "WAFFLES" for you me and Ashref?

J
E...

From: John
To: READERS
Subject: This may be only a scare tactic to discourage our advance. But, what if it isn't?
Date: Fri Nov 9 22:07:40 2001

Message:
CNN just reported, Pakistani sources said, Usama bin Laden says 
he has nuclear weapons and he will use them.  This may be only a 
scare tactic to discourage our advance.  But, what if it isn't?  
Do you recall my opinion many days ago?

*******

Why haven't we gone in with ground troops?  May we not be able 
to?

What if al Queda possess' nuclear potential?  Unlikely.
But, they probably do possess dirty bombs, as has been reported 
by Western intelligence sources?  A "dirty bomb" is a bomb made 
from a combination of radioactive materials (waste by-products 
from nuclear reactors) and conventional weapons.  A close Bin 
Laden associate has been charged by the US for trying to buy a 
cylinder of South African uranium in the Sudan.

A letter alleged to have been written by Bin Laden and seized in 
London about three years ago, called on Muslim nations to 
acquire nuclear weapons. 

"We call for the Muslim brothers to imitate Pakistan as to the 
possession of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons," says 
the letter dated May 1998. 

What if al Quaeda has threatened to use these weapons against our
ground forces in Afghanistan?  Why would they do 
this?  Because they believe they are going to Muslim Heaven at 
the hands of the Americans for their crimes of 9/11.  They have 
nothing to loose by using them.  They would satisfy both 
desires simultaneously, to die, and kill the Infidel soldiers 
for Allah. 

Could this be the reason the Taliban told Pakistani citizen 
Taliban supporters not to cross the border to join the Jihad?  
Does the Taliban want the Jihad fighting force in Pakistan to 
continue the Holy War after their ascent to Muslim Heaven?

John
E pluribus unum


copyright MMI JGM

From: Spy
To: John
Subject: bring syrup
Date: Fri Nov 9 22:07:10 2001

Message:

From: ton
To: john
Subject: you know so much
Date: Fri Nov 9 22:23:21 2001

Message:
why are you so smart  i wonder if you are like a genius or i 
just can't figure it out  how your so smart and all   i look up 
to you!!!!  

ton visiting chicago

From: ton
To: john
Subject: wow
Date: Fri Nov 9 22:29:41 2001

Message:

From: Spy
To: John
Date: Fri Nov 9 22:19:00 2001

Message:
You're quite right John----that's why I get a kick out of people 
like uk donkey breath(the likes), who know absolutly nothing 
about deployment of troops or war period. Follow people 
like that &soon to DEATH !
As I said to you before---Somehow "nukes" are going to go 
off. I don't want it--but I KNOW it--I'm sorry.

From: ton
To: john
Subject: i told you so
Date: Fri Nov 9 22:31:14 2001

Message:
i have said it awhile ago  if you remember    we should have 
nuked the area   right from the get go!!!!   i thought the creep 
might pull some shit and  sucker us in  and then  hit us with 
some weird shit.     he will make a mistake   if he does this    
we will at that point  nuke them.  

ton from fl..

From: ton
To: spy
Subject: nukes
Date: Fri Nov 9 22:35:42 2001

Message:
you see if nukes are used there.   who suffers?  the people of 
the mid east suffer the most  lets face it  the whole mid east 
will be  " melt down"  radiation,  will destroy all in the mid 
east.  which is good     we will at that point have ended the 
war  which is like   what happened in japan...  

From: ton
To: john
Subject: war will end
Date: Fri Nov 9 22:41:27 2001

Message:
i think about 300,000 people died due to the bombs in japan   i 
figure    1.5 mil  will die in mid east if bin laden  uses  bomb.
we are kind of daring him to do it    get it over with  and put 
an end to the insanity going on in the mid east..   

ton from   fl...

From: ton
To: spy
Subject: sorry
Date: Fri Nov 9 22:46:01 2001

Message:
yes it is a shame  but it is what will be..  who is to blame?
we are all to blame  like the stones say  "  its you and me" 
    

From: John
To: READERS
Subject: Potassium Iodate 85mg tablets is a limited defense against radiation.
Date: Fri Nov 9 22:20:01 2001

Message:
Usama bin Laden said:

"I wish to declare that if America used chemical or nuclear 
weapons against us then we may retort with chemical and nuclear 
weapons," Osama bin Laden tells DAWN Newspaper in Pakistan... 

********

Now allow me to interpret what Usama's plan may be.

One need assume he does possess such weapons.  I believe he 
does.  This man and al Qaeda planned the attacks of WTC years in 
advance.  It's only logical he would have planned the second 
stage of the attack.

His plan is to use these weapons then release a statement to the 
Muslim world that it was in retaliation for American use against 
him, al Qaeda, and Taliban.  He would gain further and probably 
greater support.  Let's not forget - he's absolutely mad, as in 
insane.

The question is, does he plan to use them against our forces, or 
here?

Potassium Iodate 85mg tablets is a limited defense against 
radiation.  Use your search engines.

John
E pluribus unum
copyright MMI 2001

From: Spy
To: ton
Date: Fri Nov 9 23:04:05 2001

Message:
All will suffer---I'm sorry---but all will suffer.
The trick is to WIN !!!

From: John
To:
Date: Fri Nov 9 23:07:19 2001

Message:
I was fairly certain most folks knew this.  But I guess not.  
Extensive nuclear weapon usage anywhere on this planet will 
probably wipe us out too.  Just a lot slower.  Winds carry the 
radiation across great distances.  I believe the 100's of 
thousands of cancers suffered each year are direct result of 
extensive nuclear weapon testing of the past decades.

John
E...

From: John
To:
Date: Fri Nov 9 23:25:44 2001

Message:
Here's a great page you print for reference should you need in 
the event of biological attack.  What to get, or have on hand in 
advance.  I myself have decided to use homeopathic antibiotics - 
Collodial Silver & Grapefruit Seed Extract & Oxy Boost, 
available at quality health food stores.

http://medicalcorps.org/med-org/Textbook_on_Bio_Cas/handbook.htm

John
E...

From: Spy
To: John/Eagel Eye/JusticeUSA/ an Italian guy /Justice/ U.K.Citizen/ exhausted/ Radio Europe/Everyman/ allatti2d/ Ashraf/ESD/SBD/ton/Binney/ and etc.
Subject: god bless ya all--Spy
Date: Fri Nov 9 23:15:28 2001

Message:

From: ton
To: spy
Subject: we will win
Date: Fri Nov 9 23:40:30 2001

Message:
the u.s will be on top....  we are there in limited  #'s and all 
the mid east will be destroyed. its actually all part of the 
plan  it had to come to this sooner or later...  this way min 
amount of lives lost   american lives that is.  but all of mid 
east will die   the lack of medical supplies in the area will 
quicken the end result.   we are self reliant enough to survive 
in the long run.    and the whole world will, in the long run be 
better off.

ton

From: Spy
To: ton
Subject: no disrespect---
Date: Sat Nov 10 00:05:25 2001

Message:
final chapter----far east.problem.

From: John
To: Spy
Date: Fri Nov 9 23:58:52 2001

Message:
Thanks Spy.  Your message sounded somewhat desperate though.  
Have confidence.  The most capable team since Ronald Reagan's 
day (of which many are advising), are running this war.

I have full confidence in their abilities.  I am certain nuclear 
weapons will not be used to any great extent.  Laden is probably 
sounding off in an attempt to slow our advancement of tactical 
nuclear weapons on his caves.  Thoose big bombs (whatever they 
were called) we used yesterday were probably just a test to get 
a response from Laden.  "Hey George, let's drop some of these 
BIG 15,000 car-size bombs and see what Laden's thinking."  :-)

Remember my pig idea.  It will work.  I know I could not have 
been the first to think of it.  It's probably been part of the 
military response plan for decades.  Hell, if I can come up with 
sitting here watching CNN, certainly they they had it long 
before I even knew what a Taliban is.


J
E...

From: American Woman
To: All Americans & Friends
Subject: Tribute to America
Date: Sat Nov 10 00:17:25 2001

Message:
http://attacked911.tripod.com/

This is a 7mb slide show with audio.  It takes forever to load 
but is well worth the wait.  Have patience and then email the 
link to everyone you know. It is heart wrenching.  I am proud to 
be an American.  God bless us.  God Bless America.  

From:
To:
Subject: bring syrup...
Date: Sat Nov 10 00:14:22 2001

Message:
the waffles was a hint, he waffles.

From: Spy
To: John
Subject: "hello again--"
Date: Sat Nov 10 00:18:55 2001

Message:
Sorry--don't mean to sound "desperate"----accuality just 
appreciating this page----people you meet---people you 
have to beat !!!
Like I said before---"interesting times we live in---"

From: Ashraf
To: All- especially Eagle Eye..
Date: Sat Nov 10 00:27:02 2001

Message:
Just reading that, crossed my eyebrows, in anger..

He should have said: I'm not an American, I'm a Pakistani.. 
wearing a Muslim hat.. and they milk me everyday..

One more cow to OBL's herd..

Peace..

From: Few
To: Many
Date: Sat Nov 10 00:45:14 2001

Message:
No more pain, soon.

From: Ashraf
To: Spy..
Subject: ...
Date: Sat Nov 10 02:06:06 2001

Message:
Thanx for ur post and question..

I have done nothing, but to post my opinions, without the need 
to curse, nor abuse anyone, to get my point across.. 

I have exerted no effort to keep my identity a secret, by 
providing my email addresses, and using my real name.. In 
addition to the fact that I didnt give up when everyone was 
coming down on me. I understood their anger..

Another thing is that I love and believe in the beauty of 
Islam.. so when someone like OBL defames its image, it upsets 
me, and he frustrates me.. 

2 people can share the same opinion with respect to a certain 
topic, but if they both walk parallel to each other, there never 
will be a crossing/meeting point, unless 1 of them takes the 
time out, to make a diversion.. I tried to make that diversion..

I do care enough to make friends on this board, as I would 
anywhere else, but not enough for me to lie in order to get to 
that result..

You could also be surprised at the fact that as a 
Sudanese/Libyan/Egyptian Muslim Arab, living in the UAE, 
(thereby undoubtfully acquiring ALL the characteristics that 
would qualify me as being a fully-fledged "Terrorist"), for you 
and such a "Terrorist" to share common opinions, when it comes 
to any given subject, let alone one of this magnitude, was 
something next to impossible.. My guess was that its not 
impossible, yours was that it was..

Please remember that just coz someone's opinion is not a carbon 
copy of yours, doesn t make him your enemy.. You could both be 
right, but just be looking at it from different angles.. 
Otherwise, you'll end up like OBL, one way or another..

I hope that answers your question..

Peace..

From: PATHFINDER
To: ASHRAF
Subject: DESTRUCTION
Date: Sat Nov 10 06:00:57 2001

Message:
No, I am not talking about our dead in America.  I am talking 
about the people of Afghanistan.  I certainly don't believe they 
all should be "devoted to destruction".  I just don't care if 
they get killed in our going after OBL and devoting to 
destruction the Taliban.  If they live or die is not a moral 
problem for me.  The problem for me is the 5000 dead brothers 
and sisters I lost because of OBL and the Taliban.  Let their 
dead be their problem. 

Do I believe we should bomb civilians?  No, but I would not 
hesitate to bomb a tank in a residential area.  If there are 
people living next to the tank, then , "OH, well."

From: PATHFINDER
To: ASHRAF
Subject: PEACE
Date: Sat Nov 10 06:16:40 2001

Message:
To answer another question of yours.  Yes, different religions 
can live in peace.  Please tell me what country lives at peace 
with a large Islamic minority?  Please tell me which country 
does not have Islamic clerics calling for the destruction of the 
country they live in?  Do you know that 2 million Christians 
have been slaughtered in the Sudan? As one cleric said in 
Sudan, "There will be peace when the last Chistian is dead." 

Do you know the crimes of Iran, Syria, and Iraq?  They have 
killed tens of thousands of their own. Religions mature; Islam 
has failed to do so.  In too many countries it has degraded its 
adherents as much as Marxism in the former Soviet Union.  In too 
many countries its women are slaves.  Lebanon tried to break 
free and look at it now.  

I am not sure I would call myself a Christian.  I do know that 
God has a name and it is Jehovah.  I am not sure about all the 
other crap that our priests, pastors, and ministers run their 
mouths about.  

Fellow Americans: Do you know that in early America the Green 
Mountain Boys went into battle calling out to Jehovah?  So did 
others.  He isn't called "Jehovah of Armies" for nothing. 

From: U.K.Citizen
To: David Zelin? (Site Owner/s)
Subject: Thank You
Date: Sat Nov 10 06:41:39 2001

Message:
I hope you could you understand the upset of people such as 
myself and others, regarding the election banner posted earlier. 
Sir/Madam?, I am blissfully unaware of how much it costs to keep 
sites such as this operating, but I can appreciate it still has 
to be paid for. I hope you can draw the attention to people of 
influence or to perhaps a wealthy philanthropist or two , to 
this site, and in particular to THIS board. We are people who 
love their country and who want freedom for all those wishing to 
live their lives without fear. 

Please take the time to read this board to see what's building 
here. Some implications of the terrible events that occured are 
only now being revealed, others, may not reveal themselves for 
months or years to come. If ALL, are positive in their outlook, 
those implications need'nt be bad ones, which again, would be a 
fitting tribute to those who have perished so far.

I hope you will keep this board open for as long as possible to 
allow all those who participate here to explore together the 
unknown twists and turns which lie ahead of us all. 

It is refreshing and pleasing to see a site, where opinions are 
not edited out. I think we ALL appreciate that.


I hope to see a reply from you in some form, at some time.

U.K.Citizen

    

From: Spy
To: Ashraf
Date: Sat Nov 10 09:08:18 2001

Message:
Ashraf--I haven't gone after you like I have with others--so 
bear with me.
You say--

"I have done nothing, but to post my opinions, without the 
need 
to curse, nor abuse anyone, to get my point across.."

You are quite right--you have been a gentleman throughout
this whole ordeal---no swearing---stuck in there ---etc.
But that is not what makes you different----others have done 
the same.

First--let me get this out of the way. I believe it was I who first 
mentioned; that I thought you were in the USA and not the 
UAE.  I arrived at that conclusion (or theory) in a much 
different way than the others have mentioned.
I don't want to go into it though---just something I noticed 
reading the board. So--let us leave it for what it was.

When you started on this board, you gave us something  you 
called "the viewpoint of a terrorist".
When confronted as to whether you considered yourself as 
a terrorist---you replied back "no".
Then you came on board saying you could get to bin Laden,
( a pretty hefty claim by any standards). You said you needed
the right link or connection to the right people.
I gave you addresses and numbers to Americas most 
wanted/INTERPOLE/FBI/dssrewards.

http://www.amw.com/amw3.html

* 
International Law Enforcement Academy, Budapest, 
Hungary
011-36-1-267-4400

* Interpol
011-33-1-4312-2222
http://www.interpol.int/Public/contact.asp

Federal Bureau of Investigation
J. Edgar Hoover Building
935 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20535-0001
(202) 324-3000 
fbi:866-843-7538

 http://www.dssrewards.net/
Rewards for Justice
P.O. Box 96781
Washington, D.C. 20090-6781, USA 
Internet: mail@dssrewards.net 
Voice: 1-800-437-6371 

You thanked me; then disappeared for a while--.
When you came back you were somewhat 
demanding,"where is the proof to obl's guilt in 911."
I believe I responded at that time,"he pretty much fucking 
admitted to it in the video tape"
You countered with"the proof before the bombing campaign"
[ For one thing--the United States is not going to show 
ANYONE intelligence reports that compromise our security]
but I digress---

By this time it was clear that you just couldn't or wouldn't 
believe obl's involement.
Now here's the answer to the question I asked of you.
This is what makes you different on this board----
You've changed your viewpoint.
ie."OBL has killed over 5,000 innocent civilians.. according 
to the Quran, he is to be sentenced to death.." 
You have also become quite "bubbly" in recent post.

This leads me to a 2nd question--as to what led you to this 
change.
==============================================

Also--one more thing about chatrooms.
It is far easier for somebody to learn of someones true 
identity in a chatroom than it is in this type of forum.
I consider that to be a dangerous thing for one to do.








From: Reader
To: Islam
Date: Sat Nov 10 11:02:13 2001

Message:
What a bunch of asses you people are. 

Some of your people come to the US and kill 5000 Citizens of the 
world (or haven t you figured out that they weren t all US 
citizens) and you celebrate. 5000 innocent men, women and 
children who many worshiped the same god and virtues that you 
people claim to respect.

When we ask that the organizer of this and other crimes against 
humanity be turned over, your leaders deny knowing anything (why 
didn t we believe that one). 

I recently read a letter from a so-called learned scholar of 
Islam comparing the US to Rome by comparing what is happening 
now to what Rome did to the Christians. I find the audacity of 
such a statement completely offensive and frustrating to me to 
find that there are people who can actually believe such garbage.

Religious belief has no place in the present conflict. If it did 
the US should have been the first to declare a religious war on 
the people of Islam rather than the other way around. After all 
it wasn t the US who murdered 5000 innocents. 

We hear about Islam being a peaceful and respectful religion but 
yet Islam seems to want to destroy and persecute any others who 
don t worship their way. Sounds more and more like Rome and the 
Christians.

From: Spy
To: Ashraf
Subject: "different angles"
Date: Sat Nov 10 11:02:23 2001

Message:
Soilders look through their gunsites at different angles---
does this not make them enemies ?

From: allatti2d
To: Everyone & Ashraf
Date: Sat Nov 10 10:45:36 2001

Message:
Wow, I wish I had time in the last two days to spend on this 
board.  There are some posts and points I would love to respond 
to, but can't right now because of my limited time (working 
today).  Hopefully I'll have time to come back later.

I want to tell you all about my dentist.  I believe he is from 
Pakistan, though I might very well be mistaken.  I know he's 
from the middle east.  He is one of the two best dentists I've 
ever had... caring, gentle, and kind - something that's 
important to me in finding someone to drill my teeth! :)  He 
goes out of his way to make sure I'm in NO pain and that I'm 
comfortable, and he spends extra time talking to me and doing 
excellent work.  I've given him many hugs and don't want any 
other dentist.  His name is Dr. Edik (Edik is his first name).  
I haven't seen him since well before the attacks, but I've been 
thinking about him, hoping he's well and safe, as I think about 
my other Islamic friends.  My son's best friend is also middle-
eastern and his family is a devout Muslim family.  I worry about 
them all the time, worry that hate crimes will appear in their 
lives or that other kids will tease and taunt Mustafa, my son's 
friend.

I have extremely limited knowlege of the Koran and the Muslim 
faith.  It's obvious to me that there are as many varying Muslim 
beliefs as there are Christian beliefs.  Christians and 
Catholics have killed many innocents in the past in the name of 
their religion, and I distance myself from extremist beliefs 
when it comes to my own faith.  My dentist and my son's friend 
and his family (as well as a few other Muslim friends I have) 
are representations to me of the Muslim faith.  I consider 
myself lucky that I have these friends to represent peace and 
kindness and tolerance for the only Muslim world that I have 
known in my life until now.  In college, I remember having a 
religious debate with a Muslim man, a black man who had been a 
college student in England.  He was a great guy, and we talked 
and debated about our individual faiths.  It is because of all 
these people in my life that I do not hate nor have a negative 
bias of all Muslims or Middle-Easterners.  Education and 
experience have saved me from a worse fate, that of ignorance 
and intolerance.  Humans are humans are humans, and each 
individual should be judged accordingly, not because they are of 
a particular group, but from their individual actions.

That being said, I wish to offer a white flag to Ashraf, not on 
behalf of anyone else but myself, not to anyone else but 
Ashraf.  I was angry with you for coming on this board to stir 
things up without acknowledging individuals or respecting 
prevailing statements about the guilt of OBL and the integrity 
of America.  To me, that was rude, and not a good start.  
However, Ashraf has shown to me that he is offering his palm 
now, and is doing it with respect and making an earnest effort 
to be true.  It might be putting the horse after the cart, but I 
accept his posts as an attempt to redeem himself with integrity, 
and I respect that.  I've made many stupid mistakes in my life 
and have had to work twice as hard to make up for them, and this 
is what I see coming from Ashraf.  I thank you for that, Ashraf.

I have to go now, but I hope to add more later on.  Thanks 
everyone for your "stimulating" posts! :)  There's one more 
thing I'd like to add -- food for thought (sorry, Justice USA, 
it's not the bbq beanies&weenies you were hoping for)...

I heard a few things last night that struck me as good topics 
for conversation, and I'll offer one of them up for you guys to 
ponder.  I heard that Jordan is preparing to officially (if it 
has not already) stand up against OBL and denounce the idea that 
this is a war on religion, but rather a war on terrorism.  
Jordan is an Islamic nation, is it not?  This would be the first 
large-scale Muslim act against OBL and the Taliban/Al Quaida, 
correct?  (Please forgive me for my ignorance of the mid-east... 
I'm trying to learn more as I go.)  I was very pleased to hear 
this, and I hope it's true.

From: allatti2d
To: Spy
Subject: Wow
Date: Sat Nov 10 11:57:08 2001

Message:
Spy, I posted my message and saw that you'd left a long post 
while I was composing mine.  I just wanna tell you that your 
post was thoughtful and intelligent and pretty much blew me 
away.  I remember your usual posts as being shorter and more 
blunt.  Very impressive.  Thank you!

From: Justice USA
To: My friends on here
Subject: WTF? REPORTER?
Date: Sat Nov 10 12:34:23 2001

Message:
Am I crazy or what? I was listening to BBC late last night and 
they went into a speil about this reporter that went to see Bin 
Laden and said he was in EXCELLENT SPIRITS,  HAPPY AND WILLING 
TO DIE.  The reporter also stated that laden claimed once again, 
to have access to nuclear weapons, etc. and planned to use them 
but would not reveal their location or sources.  Now, the part, 
I dont FUCKEN GET is this: WHY OH WHY, ARE WE NOT FOLLOWING THIS 
REPORTER WHEN HE GOES TO VISIT THIS ASSHOLE?  IF HE WILL NOT 
REVEAL LADIN'S WHEREABOUTS THEN HE MUST BE CONSIDERED AN ALLY OF 
HIS AND PROTECTING HIM.  HE MUST BE QUESTIONED AND ARRESTED AND 
SHOT DEAD ON THE SPOT IF HE DOES NOT LET US KNOW HIS LOCATION.  
THIS IS INSANITY, THAT WE ARE TRYING TO BLOW THIS ASSHOLE TO 
BITS, AND HERE IS THIS TWO BIT REPORTER COMING BACK AFTER 
INTERVIEWS WITH HIM.  DOESNT ANYONE ELSE THINK THIS IS 
LUDICROUS???  

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Justice USA
Subject: Reporter
Date: Sat Nov 10 12:47:17 2001

Message:
Interesting Point!...and a very good question!

From: Spy
To: Justice USA
Subject: the{:@(dog
Date: Sat Nov 10 13:00:10 2001

Message:
I doubt the{:@(dog would be there any longer----however it
confirms the{:@(dog is within ahghans boarders. Maybe not 
far from a front line(as the reporter said he heard what he 
thought was anti aircraft fire---and if he's not feeding us a 
line).
Maybe next time he can leave a trial of "bread crums".

From: BigSky
To: John
Date: Sat Nov 10 13:07:29 2001

Message:
Thanks for the medical corps info, great site. BTW, I know 
what a recession is and how we are all doomed in the event 
of nuclear strikes, smallpox, etc. Saying we are resilient is 
not necessarily naive, but could be denial.

From: John
To: Justice USA
Subject: I asked this question of myself back in the Gulf War.
Date: Sat Nov 10 13:47:06 2001

Message:
You said, no you yelled --> "I dont FUCKEN GET is this: WHY OH 
WHY, ARE WE NOT FOLLOWING THIS REPORTER WHEN HE GOES TO VISIT 
THIS ASSHOLE?  IF HE WILL NOT REVEAL LADIN'S WHEREABOUTS THEN HE 
MUST BE CONSIDERED AN ALLY OF HIS AND PROTECTING HIM.  HE MUST 
BE QUESTIONED AND ARRESTED AND SHOT DEAD ON THE SPOT IF HE DOES 
NOT LET US KNOW HIS LOCATION. 

******

Your question is valid.  But, one must view this from the news 
outlet perspective.  This reporter/editor named Mir, works for 
Dawn, the Pakistani newspaper.  A reporter is/or should be an 
impartial investigator, doing just that, investigating and 
reporting impartially on the issue.  The fact that this paper 
reportedly is or was pro Taliban is not issue.  To gain 
knowledge and to report a side of an issue that may not be the 
popular viewpoint is not relevant.  Many issues once not 
considered popular have been reported by couragous newspeople.  
And these reports led and or helped to change an injustice.  
Freedom of press is more vital to lasting freedom, then for this 
individual reporter to assist in launching an assault on bin 
Laden.  Though, had "WE" had the intelligence, and we followed 
Mir to Laden without Mir's knowledge, and we strategically 
placed a bullet between bin Laden's eyes, well, that would have 
been, Oh... I guess O'K.  :-)  Except, one could expect little 
future trust of some media members by folks out of favor by 
popular opinion, for fear of some government or private strike 
against them.  It's an honor code shared by newspeople that MUST 
be honored to ensure a free unbiased reporting of an issue.

I asked this question of myself back in the Gulf War.  I was so 
angry at Peter Arnett for not helping to take out Saddam Hussein 
in any manner possible when he interviewed him. I was wrong.

John
E pluribus unum

From: Everyman
To: Spy
Subject: God Bless...
Date: Sat Nov 10 14:11:00 2001

Message:
Thanks.

You, too!

From: John
To:
Subject: When is the UN general Assembly?
Date: Sat Nov 10 14:19:34 2001

Message:
How credible is this story?  I could not tell you.  But, if 
leaks are ordered by the administration, this could be a 
logical, mostly not recognized as credible souce to do it from.  
We have not heard any rebuke from our government with regard.  
What we do hear is language of preventing bin Laden from getting 
such weapons.  When is the UN general Assembly?


http://frontierpost.com.pk/main.asp?id=3&date1=11/10/2001

Al-Qaeda nukes may have reached US shores
UNGA session possible terror target 

Naveed Miraj 
Updated on 11/10/2001 11:33:53 AM 
 
ISLAMABAD: Pakistani and American investigators converge that 
Osama bin Laden s Al Qaeda network may have successfully 
transported several nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons of 
mass destruction to the United States, The Frontier Post learnt 
Friday. 

Already on high alert, United States security officials are 
having sleepless nights that Al Qaeda can strike in New York 
again on the occasion of United Nations General Assembly 
session. 

Investigators from Pakistan s ISI (Inter-Services Intelligence) 
and American FBI (Federal Bureau of Investigation) and CIA 
(Central Intelligence Agency) are jointly probing into the 
possibilities of Al Qaeda possessing nuclear, biological and 
chemical weapons. 

They have reached a conclusion that at least two briefcase 
nuclear weapons may have reached the US shores, sources close to 
these investigators revealed to this scribe. 

The investigators have been able to identify at least one 
briefcase weapon acquired by Al Qaeda from Central Asian rogue 
groups. 

The weapon identified is small 8-kilogram device that carries at 
least 2 kg of fissionable plutonium and uranium. 

The device, of Russian make, carries a serial number 9999 and 
manufacturing date October 1988. 

The design of the device is simple. 

The radioactive materials consist of Uranium and Plutonium both 
kept in separate compartments. 

At the top of the two compartments is placed the charging 
mechanism. 

The charging mechanism can be activated through a timer or even 
through a cell phone command. 

Besides nuclear devices, a chemical and a biological weapon have 
also been identified to be in the hands of Al Qaeda activists. 

They are said to be in possession of at least 70 capsules, also 
of Russian origin, containing a very lethal biological agent. 

Broken in a crowded place, this capsule can cause deaths on a 
huge scale. 

It melts human body meat to the bone. 

Another chemical agent in the hands of Al Qaeda operators is 
called Vipera Lebentina Venema. 

A derivative of snake poisons, this venom developed in USSR 
attacks through skin. 

Most probable way of using this agent is through mail as with 
Anthrax. 

US security agencies are already on high alert and realise that 
Al Qaeda can strike in New York again on the occasion of UN 
General Assembly. 

Analysis of the recent statements released by Osama bin Laden 
carried out by US agencies has shown that the terrorist network 
can pick up an important occasion like the UN General Assembly 
session to retaliate against US strikes on Afghanistan. 

John
E...
 

From: John
To:
Date: Sat Nov 10 14:39:59 2001

Message:
I thought it was now...

UN General Assembly Fifty-sixth Session: 2001

In light of the decision taken by the General Assembly to 
schedule the general debate of the 56th session of the General 
Assembly for later dates, the Conference on Facilitating the 
Entry into Force of the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty, 
will take place in New York, from 11 to 13 November 2001.

BTW - it actually goes till the 16th

J
E...

From: Ashraf
To: Spy...
Subject: ...
Date: Sat Nov 10 13:39:06 2001

Message:
Spy..

About the addresses you provided, I did get in touch with 3 
bodies/authorities of those provided by you, via the emails u 
provided, the responses of from which, I will keep to myself.. 
and I thank you once more.. Your effort was not put to waste..
By now, I believe that you think I am either crazy, or serious 
in my claims.. The choice is yours..

Reagarding the first question, or rather your assumption of 
having changed my mind about OBL, is wrong.. I never favoured 
him in the first place, not the least bit. What led you to this 
assumption are 2 things:
1. When I said that there isnt enough evidence against OBL..
2. When I defined terrorism, as most Arabs believe it to be..
Assumption is the mother of all mess ups..

Regarding your second question, as to why I changed my view 
point. Assuming that you are right, and that I actually did 
change my point of view, this is not something to be held 
against me, on the contrary.. but I am sorry to say, you are 
wrong again.. If you remember correctly, the first post I'd put 
up on this board, I clearly stated that the Islamic punishment 
for such an act is death. I still hold that opinion. Lines from 
my first post on this board:

Quote:
First and foremost, my heart sincerely goes out to the whole 
world, starting with the American People, for the grief and 
misery that has come upon them, as a result of the WTC 
incidents...etc
 
To cut a long story short:
1. Allah, Islam and Muslims, or diper-heads, unfortunately 
enough, as some of you wish to call us, , do not approve of 
killing civilians, women, children, nor the elderly.
2.If Usama Bin Laden had actually planned or master-minded this 
operation, any proper Muslim would ensure that he is to be put 
on Trial, no doubt, and the Islamic sentence for such an act, is 
death... etc
Unquote..

You responded by saying..
Quote:
From: Spy 
To: Ashraf 
Subject: ????? 
Date: Mon Oct 1 21:21:49 2001 
Message:
Are you a terrorist or not ? If so, then you are one of the 
enemy.
 Ossama bin Laden wants and has killed many 
Americans,Britts,Muslims and so forth. He has freely 
admitted to it. He will be dealt with (by us) in a military way 
as he has already declared war on us.
 Americas will not stand for some monky ass court 
proceedings !
 So once again, I ask you----are you a terrorist ? 
Unquote.

Fit ALL the pieces together, may be then, it will all make 
sense..

Ps: About the soldiers.. when matters go that far, it could be 
too late for remedies..

Peace..

From: an Italian guy
To: Spy
Subject: the blessing
Date: Sat Nov 10 15:25:32 2001

Message:
thank you very much, Spy

From: John
To:
Subject: "Should we keep our eyes out for middle eastern fellows dragging heavy suitcase around?"
Date: Sat Nov 10 14:53:06 2001

Message:
My final opinion on this matter.

Unlike the high level warnings presented to the public by the 
Department of Justice and the FBI with regard to credible 
threats.  A credible threat warning for an attack of this nature 
would probably NOT be forthcoming.  What are we, the public,  
supposed to look for.  In the words of a contributor named 
exhausted, of the last weeks:  "Should we keep our eyes out for 
middle eastern fellows dragging heavy suitcase around?"  :-)   
In reality, do not expect to be forewarned should this threat be 
credible.  We cannot simply empty our cities.

Like the Russian nuclear threat of the 50's - 90's.  It just 
ain't happening.  95% of all our fears never happen.  Be strong, 
be strong.

John
E pluribus unum

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Spy
Subject: Message
Date: Sat Nov 10 15:51:28 2001

Message:
Spy, in my haste I left a reply for you. It's on 911terrorists. 
I was'nt going to type it again. Errors like this come from too 
little time and too many f**king interuptions! Pardon my French.

From: Ashraf
To: allatti2d
Subject: ...
Date: Sat Nov 10 15:22:27 2001

Message:
Thanx for your understanding and wisedom, not to mention the 
white flag..
Ever seen a blackman blush..?? 

;)

Peace.. dedicated..

From: American Woman
To: All Americans & Friends
Subject: Tribute to America
Date: Sat Nov 10 16:05:46 2001

Message:
http://attacked911.tripod.com/

This is a 7mb slide show with audio.  It takes forever to load 
but is well worth the wait.  Have patience and then email the 
link to everyone you know. It is heart wrenching.  I am proud to 
be an American.  God bless us.  God Bless America.  

From: Spy
To: Ashraf
Date: Sat Nov 10 15:46:51 2001

Message:
What change I thought I detected was more of a willingness 
(on your part) to acknowledge obl's guilt.
I think some others thought that also.
It would not be, nor did I say it should be held against you.

But hell---what the fuck do I know.
I'll leave it as there was no change.

From: Ashraf
To: Spy..
Subject: ...
Date: Sat Nov 10 16:12:24 2001

Message:
Cool.. 

So at last all the pieces have finally fallen into place I take 
it..?

Peace..

From: Ashraf
To: All & Justice USA
Subject: Re-posted
Date: Sat Nov 10 16:16:12 2001

Message:
Quote:

From: Ashraf
To: Justice USA
Date: Fri Nov 9 14:53:02 2001 
Message:
All those who believe this represents their opinion, please 
speak up...

Reposted:

From: Justice USA 
To: All 
Subject: Koran book about War 
Date: Fri Nov 9 12:52:58 2001 
Message:

1. The fucken koran bullshit was written during war time and it 
is UNBELIEVABLE that we would be dealing with these scumbags and 
their archaic beliefs in this century! 
  
2. I dont understand why Ashraf has to come here and spout his 
shit.  We are obviously going to be hostile to any ARABIC or 
MUSLIM shit on this site. 

END of Quote..

Peace..


From: Spy
To: U.K.Citizen
Date: Sat Nov 10 16:36:58 2001

Message:
Sorry--I looked around but didn't see it. Easy to miss in this 
quagmire.

From: Spy
To: Ashraf
Date: Sat Nov 10 16:43:27 2001

Message:
No-- all the peaces haven't  fallen into place !

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Spy
Subject: (Lost Posting) Re: U.K. Public Opinion
Date: Sat Nov 10 17:44:54 2001

Message:
Verbatim:

As per your last posting to me, LIKEWISE Spy. I thought your 
President gave a great speech. Never, have two simple words had 
such poigniant meaning held within them. He's stepped up to the 
plate admirably, as have New York's former Mayor and our 
Mr.Blair. People look to their leaders to provide an example to 
follow in times of crisis, and, in my opinion, so far, the 
aforementioned have done just that. 

As impressions count for so much, I felt it was important to 
give to you and your compatriots in the U.S. at least a balanced 
view of citizens in Britain. As an indvivdual, I happen to 
support the U.S., IT'S the one that has to get its hands dirty, 
and, more often than not in trying to solve other people's 
problems because in many instances, they can't or seemingly 
won't try to solve it themselves. I, like you, am bewildered as 
to why your country gets lambasted just for trying to help. I 
hope this conflict, more than any other before it, will make 
people in a lot of other nations realise that THEY ALSO have 
to 'step up to the plate', and to try to do thier bit to keep 
the world from spiraling into chaos, courtesy of mindless 
terrorists.

This avenue of communication is fantastic simply because it is 
so direct and it gives one the opportunity to communicate the 
fact that there is a groundswell of support from the majority of 
our citizens and I think it is vital for you and others to know 
that you have at the very least, our moral support. It's so easy 
for idiots like U.K.Voices to give a false impression.

I stress, ONLY if your interested, below is a web address for a 
messageboard of a U.K. national radio station that I listen to 
from time to time. IF you are, let me know if you can pick up 
the live broadcast also. It may give you and others a more 
immediate and infromed reflection of British public opinion, NOT 
the media's! Look out for a guy called Charlie Wolf on the 
schedule, he has done your country proud as an ambassador, of 
sorts, for the U.S. He's a funny guy. Speaking of funny guys 
Binny brought more welcome hilarity to this board...pricless! 
Ashraf has thich skin, and will now doubt take it in his stride.

HTTP://WWW.Talksport.net

Don't let the sight address fool you, current affairs output is 
transmitted between 10pm and 6am London time.

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Spy
Subject: Correction
Date: Sat Nov 10 18:33:11 2001

Message:
For 'pricless' read 'priceless'....

From: ASpy
To: U.K.Citizen
Date: Sat Nov 10 19:35:56 2001

Message:
Thank you for your posting.
I sure agree with you about the leadership---we need strong 
leaders like Bush / Blair. I'm sure glad the Clintons aren't 
around for this one. He'd still be out there cryin' "that I feel 
your pain---" while still apologizing to the terrorist.
Blair impressed me before-----Twice I've seen our liberal 
media types(katie&matt come to mind) try to involve him 
(Blair) in political issues over here that we have amongest 
ourselfs. Both times (and rightfully so) he said it wasn't his 
place to comment on our domestic battles-----thanks Tony.
As far as the uk vomit guy goes---I know he represents the 
least and worst of your country. We have some asses like 
that also.
I presently don't have shortwave---I hope to change that fairly 
soon. Thanks for the station and site info.
I'll have to go back somemore. While I was over there, I lifted
the following. I thought it was pretty good. Some here will 
enjoy it I'm sure.

Date:
Sat, 10 Nov 2001 23:45:35 
Name:
Damian Johns
Town:
London
Comments:
Cow Government

SOCIALISM
You have two cows. You keep one and give one to your 
neighbour...

COMMUNISM
You have two cows. The government takes them both and 
provides you with
milk..

FASCISM
You have two cows, the government takes them and sells 
you the milk...

BUREAUCRACY
You have two cows. The government takes them both, 
shoots one, milks the
other, pays you for the milk, and then pours it down the 
drain...

CAPITALISM
You have two cows, you sell one and buy a bull..

CORPORATE
You have two cows. You sell one, force the other to produce 
the milk of
four cows, then act surprised when it drops dead...

DEMOCRACY
You have two cows, the government taxes you to the point 
that you must
sell them both in order to support a man in a foreign country 
that has
only one cow which was a gift from your government


That last one rings bells.

thanks once again--------Spy

From: Spy
To:
Subject: above
Date: Sat Nov 10 20:44:33 2001

Message:
from: Spy (not ASpy)---oops

From:
To: all americans
Date: Sat Nov 10 21:57:14 2001

Message:
Check out this site will take a while to load over dial up but 
worth it.

http://www.politicsandprotest.org/


From: open mind/closed fist
To: Ashraf & Co.
Subject: Almost
Date: Sat Nov 10 20:02:29 2001

Message:
The pieces are much closer to being in place. Northern 
Afghanastan is taken by the true afghanastanis the infadel
saudies and pakistanis (taliban) ran for their lives with
United States air support. This will be over before winter.
 The United States does more to feed the whole world then any
other country and we are bombarded on "Jewish controlled media"
every day to send money to help children in all parts of the 
world and we see this and many do this. We do this because we
in America are an essentially good hearted people. If we were
so terrible why would 9 million muslims want to be here? Since
Sept. 11 in my community only 1 Muslim owned business has closed
because of any harrasment and their bakery reopened with a heros
welcome from all of the community.
 The United States is an amazing place which is evidenced by
all the people who wish to live here. In my comunity we have a
few Afghan families who have been given telivisions, furniture,
and appliances for their new home.
 This just goes to show the kindness and generosity of the
American people. But their is another side to America that takes
awhile to arise. Its the kick ass and take names side which the
Taliban and Osama are seeing now. You just dont attack America
like that and live to tell your 100 grandchildren.
 You, me, everyone wants evidence that Osama is without a doughbt
the one responsible for the attacks, and I refuse to call them
unfortunate events or anything else, they were attacks, but will
we really know? I love my country with its diversity and I think
many in this world are hate us for what we we have created in 
the United States, I can have my next door neighbor teach me
Spanish over a few cervasas after we get home from work. How 
cool is that!
 That same neighbor and an I will also chase down a neighborhood
thief who stole his sons bike and beat the living shit out of him
also. America is like that. 
 We will not tolerate the aggression commited against us and are
govement is responding just as the people I talk to every day 
want, maybe less agressivly than many want. I vote for Bush and I
am now damn glade I did in light of this crises, he has handled 
it well, and says exactly what he means, somthing that I 
appreciate. 
 I like most Americans are very sorry if this bombing kills 
innocent Afgahn civilians. I hope they realize at some point 
this will help them too, girls will actually be allowed a 
eduction as well as a job. The men may be able to shave thoses 
itchy ass beards if they so choose. Of course its a sad situation
for them if you stop and think about it but I still see those 
gutless fucks raming our own jetliners into those buildings
and want to go beserk, so you can see the two sides of America.
 To any country in the world, we would love to be your freind
but if you want to let terrorists (you all know the definition
so dont argue bullshit) operate out of your country you are 
marked right now for your crimes. Bush says exactly what he 
means. Thats a fact, you can see it happenig right now, if he 
mentions your country run for safe cover. Do not choose to fuck
with us, hand over the terrorists and you will be safe.
 Bin Laden has nuclear weapons all of a sudden when shit dont
look good for the Taliban, imagine that! What a dumb fuck. His 
ass is grass and we got the lawnmower so now he can run his mouth
the only weapon he really has after years in a cave and forgot he
to bring a toothbrush. He didnt have to go to UAE for kidney 
surgery it the dentist. 
 I will be damned if Osama isnt running just like those cool blow
up Bin Laden games on the internet, I've personnally killed him 
many times how bout you? America, isnt it cool?


From: Ashraf
To: Open minded/ Closed Fist..
Subject: ...
Date: Sun Nov 11 00:07:02 2001

Message:
Thanx for taking the time out ti write your post..

I agree, that Americans are essentially white-hearted people..
I'm happy, that you are happy you voted for Bush..
I agree, that America is cool.. 

I myself visited the US in 98 for my CPA's.. As a matter of 
fact, when I was going through my visa interview at the American 
Embassy in Dubai, the TV there was tuned to CNN. The US was 
bombing what it claimed to be a chemical-weapons factory 
alledgedly owned by OBL, in Sudan, my country, right after the 
Monica scandle. The fact is that this was a cover up act by your 
x-president, Clinton. The factory was actually owned by a 
Sudanese millionaire named: Salah Idrees. He had insured his 
factory with an American company. He received US$ 20,000,000, in 
addition to the cost of the equipement destroyed, by the bombs 
dropped from the American fighter jets. 

The factory was the only one in Sudan that manufactured 
medicines for affordable prices to the whole public, not 
chemical-weapons. I would know. I have lived for 4 years in 
Sudan, during my college days, just 15 minutes away from the 
factory..

Your CIA's intelligence reports stated that it was a chemicals-
weapons factory.. It doesnt take a genius to figure out 
otherwise..

Ironically, the visas officer, I believe he was the US Council, 
saw my passport.. A Sudanese..?? He turned around to his 
colleague and mockingly said: 
"And they are asking for an apology?? hahah.."

There was a glass sheild between him and me.. I spoke into the 
wholly bit in the middle, and said:
"What time should I come to pick up my passport and visa?"
"Tomorrow.. 2 o'clock"..

Peace..

From: Everyman
To: All
Subject: War
Date: Sun Nov 11 02:24:32 2001

Message:
Woke up from a too real dream that the US had dropped a nuclear 
bomb & I had a very heavy feeling in the pit of my stomach as it 
turned over...:( 

Radio, I hear that Radio Free Europe had been on the target 
list; glad you weren't hit...

Anyone catch King Abdullah's speech in Parliment?  He goes down 
in history as the 1st heead of an Arab community to address both 
houses.  He received a standing ovation, adn was supportive of 
the fight against terrorism.

From: Everyman
To:
Date: Sun Nov 11 02:47:58 2001

Message:
No, I'm not tired...

From: Tony Blair's hairdresser
To: Taliban
Subject: Turbanator III
Date: Sun Nov 11 09:58:38 2001

Message:
Get ready cloth heads america is sending its greatest weapon: 
Arnie the Turbanator. 
He's gonna kick some Talibutt.
You have been  warned 
I'll be back!!
TBH

 

From: allatti2d
To: Ashraf
Date: Sun Nov 11 09:48:07 2001

Message:
Ashraf, I've never been a very political person and I'm rather 
embarrassed to admit that I'm often confused about the workings 
and power chain of our U.S. Government.  I took a class on 
government in high school, which was required, but didn't pay 
much attention (teenage hormones, I guess), and government and 
politics never really interested me that much in my younger 
years.  I think there are a lot of other Americans like me, who 
pay attention to politics when something big is happening and 
the rest of the time worry about other things in life.  I'm glad 
that this generation of kids is getting a quick hard lesson 
about its workings, because it's a lesson I didn't really have 
or pay attention to.  I do know a few things, however.

I do know that a U.S. President does not have the power to go 
dropping bombs on a whim or to create a false military action 
just to throw attention off of him.  We throw the word WAR 
around, but in fact only Congress can declare war and it has not 
officially done so (I don't think I'm mistaken here, this is 
second-hand info I have).  The President is Commander-In-Chief 
of the U.S. Military, but he (or she!) doesn't make all the 
military decisions.  You say you lived 15 minutes from the 
factory in Sudan that was hit during the Clinton Administration, 
and you don't believe bio/chemical weapons were manufactured 
there.  Well, sir, people can live next door to a child molestor 
and never know it.  They can attend a church with a minister who 
plans to kill the whole congregation and never know it (look up 
Jim Jones some time).  A hospital can have bio-weapons 
manufacturing going on in the basement without suspicion from 
employees or neighbors.  There is no way to know without 
infiltrating the place carefully to learn.

The Taliban (and OBL) are notorious for using civilians and 
relief stations as shields.  I don't have any personal knowledge 
about the factory which you speak of, and I believe you when you 
say you don't think there was anything suspect going on there, 
but I'm here to tell you that it's a possibility.  I'm also here 
to tell you that Clinton did not blow up that factory just to 
create a diversion from his personal problems any more than Bush 
orchestrated the airplane attacks on the WTC to create a 
diversion from the election issues and garner U.S. support for 
himself (which is a conspiracy rumor that is floating around).  
U.S. Presidents do not have that kind of singular power 
(something that makes this a uniquely great nation).

I'll confess that I'm not a fan of Bush Jr. and didn't vote for 
him.  However, like millions of others, I stand behind him and 
his administration 100% in this defense.  I'm not Republican, 
but I'm damn glad there's a Republican in office who's not 
afraid to fight.  If it were Bush alone making the decisions, 
I'd be worried... but he's surrounded himself with great people 
who are taking care of business, and he's earned my respect and 
support.  And I tell you, I gotta love Tony Blair and everything 
he says and does.  He is what I'd call a REAL man... doesn't 
flinch, doesn't second-guess.  I'm proud to be an American, and 
proud to link arms with England and other countries in our stand 
against terrorism.  Won't you join us? :)

From: Spy
To: allatti2d
Subject: re:Wow
Date: Sun Nov 11 10:34:05 2001

Message:
thanks-----

From: Ashraf
To: allatti2d
Subject: ...
Date: Sun Nov 11 11:28:33 2001

Message:
Thank you for taking the time out, and thank you for developing 
yourself into what I believe to be a true gentleman. You are one 
person I can disagree with, and know for sure that you would 
never come backwith anything that would make me fume with anger, 
but rather, with something that I would give thought to, when 
I'm 5 minutes away from a translation's deadline, on my desk at 
work, and can spare no thought to anything immaterial..

You said:
A hospital can have bio-weapons manufacturing going on in the 
basement without suspicion from employees or neighbours.  There 
is no way to know without infiltrating the place carefully to 
learn.

I agree.. but had there actually been any type of chemical 
weapons being manufactured there, wouldnt it have harmed the 
neighbouring houses/ civilians.. etc? I wasnt there when the 
bomb was dropped, I was in Dubai, but a search team (not too 
sure about the exact organisation here, maybe UN) inspected the 
site, after the bombing, and stated that there is no sign of 
such chemical weapons having been manufactured in that factory..

You said:
U.S. Presidents do not have that kind of singular power 
(something that makes this a uniquely great nation).
I agree..

You asked:
Won't you join us? :)
I already have..

Final verdict: 

allatti2d: You are a man worthy of respect.. Thank you..

Peace..

From: allatti2d
To: Ashraf
Subject: Evidence
Date: Sun Nov 11 11:35:24 2001

Message:
Saw this headlined today... I have to find more articles on this 
topic, but thought you'd like to read this:

******************************************************

bin Laden's Video Confession on Sept 11th Attacks 

 For the first time, Osama bin Laden his admitted his group 
carried out the September 11th attacks on the World Trade Center 
and Pentagon, according to the London Daily Telegraph. 
The British paper says bin Laden has been circulating a video 
among his supporters in which he says of the U.S.: "History 
should be a witness that we are terrorists. Yes, we kill their 
innocents". 

The video, which appeared to be shot in the mountains of 
Afghanistan, has a similing bin Laden saying the World Trade 
Center towers were a "legitimate target" and that the hijackers 
were "blessed by Allah". 

Shortly after the attacks, bin Laden issued a statement denying 
responsibility. 

In the video, bin Laden threatens foreign countries such as 
Germany and Australia to stay out of the conflict. 

The paper says the U.S. and Britain will release the video on 
Wednesday to show the world the coalition has solid evidence 
against bin Laden. 

Also, bin Laden told a Pakistani reporter his group has nuclear 
weapons and would use them if those types of weapons were used 
against members of his organization. Some experts speculated on 
network TV that al Qaida may have purchased nukes from 
disgruntled scientists of the former Soviet Union. 

Meantime, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf says his 
country's nuclear supply is safe. The Washington Post says he 
ordered his country's nuclear weapons supply relocated following 
the September 11th attacks.

********************************************************

(There was no date on this article.  I got it from
http://kfi640.com/cc-news/ if you want to look at it.)

From: Ashraf
To: allatti2d
Subject: ...
Date: Sun Nov 11 12:04:57 2001

Message:
Thanx chief.. 

I am going there right now.. This should be interesting.. If 
this video tape is actually released, even his own followers in 
Afghanistan will turn against him, for the lies he has told, and 
for the civilians he has killed..

Wait and see..

Peace..

From: allatti2d
To: Ashraf
Date: Sun Nov 11 12:35:29 2001

Message:
I appreciate your compliments, but you should probably know that 
I'm a woman. :)

From: Justice USA
To: All
Subject: Memorial Day
Date: Sun Nov 11 13:35:51 2001

Message:
Very moving service the vets just gave in my neighborhood.  Gun 
salute and playing taps.  GOD BLESS ALL THE AMERICANS THAT HAVE 
SACRIFRICED their lives in the name of freedom and for the ones 
that will continue to do so.  GOD BLESS ALL VETS!  THANK YOU SO 
VERY MUCH.  WE LOVE YOU!

From: Spy
To:
Subject: " Nice suit ya got on there----is that a stain on the lapel ? "
Date: Sun Nov 11 13:50:11 2001

Message:
"  Nice suit ya got on there----is that a stain on 
the lapel ? "


The following is from words of another. My comments will 
be in [ brackets ]



From: Ashraf 
To: All Americans and the World at Large 
Subject: A Terrorist's Point of View [ this would seem self 
explanitory/also self
proclamation ]
Date: Mon Oct 1 06:22:17 2001 
Message:

ashraf@UAEDesertSafari.com

The American People & the world at large

A Terrorist s Opinion [ again this shows a sympathetic view 
towards
enemy forces pitted against U.S./Britian/Europe/Isreal. The 
word
terrorist is bigger than OBL alone.
Let us look at the word according to Webster:
terror-extreme fear; fright; one who excites extreme fear; the 
systematic use of violence,as murder, by a party or faction to 
maintain power and influence.(I would rewrite that last part 
as"--party or faction to establish or maintain---").
terrorism-a system of government by terror; intimidation.
terrorist-one who governs by terror; or who inspires fear in 
others.
terrorize-to intimidate or coerce by terror.]

I am a Muslim who prays 5 times a day, I'm a SUDANESE, 
born in 
LIBYA, and residing in the UAE. So basically, I am the 
closest 
you will ever get a religious, MUSLIM 
TERRORIST,[again-sympathy towards
terrorist, for why else would one keep referring to the word 
when describing oneself. Notice the combination and 
caps.of MUSLIM TERRORIST.
Would an average Irish person describe themselfs as IRA 
unless they were showing themselfs to be in sympathy with 
or to be a participant of said activities ?] as per the 
classification of the average American citizen.
[See above definitions. Some seventy-some attacks since 
1968 to now, mostly civilian targets ]
 So what I have to say could be of interest to you 
[whereabouts to OBL and the likes would be nice ] 
 

This is how it is. 

First and foremost, my heart sincerely goes out to the whole 
world, starting with the American People, for the grief and 
misery that have come upon them, as a result of the WTC 
incidents. 
What happened is not acceptable to anyone who believes in 
God, 
be him a Muslim or a Christian. As to the  Palestinian-killing  
Jews, anyone in their right mind should know what they are 
all 
about.[ And now for the "stain on the lapel". Jews are fair 
game for terrorist to walk
into civilian targets with bombs up their ass---cars loaded 
with explosives---and yes,
airliners into buildings].

Islam??? Here is a short note about the meeting point 
between 
killing and Islam.

Islam permits killings, when in time of war, subject to the 
following unbreachable conditions:
1. Self Defense, when one's life is in clear danger, provided 
that one s retaliation is adequately proportional to the 
danger 
in hand i.e. not a bullet for a punch or a kick[When a terrorist 
is on a suicide mission, I imagine their life is in clear 
danger; as well as all non-suspecting civilians] 
2. During a war, but the following are to be excluded at all 
costs:[ this might be true for Islam, but not for Islamic 
terrorist] 
a. Women[failed-according to exclusion definition]
b. Children[failed-according to exclusion definition]
c. The elderly[failed-according to exclusion definition]
d. A civilian, minding his own business, even if he is from 
opposing nation[failed-according to exclusion 
definition.Failed miserably
on 9/11/01.]

In other words, fight only those fighting you, with their 
weapons drawn in your face.[ Then how come the guy 
eatting a hotdog gets his ass blown away--how come 
someone in a disco-club shakes their hips no 
more--rescuers can't even find his hip ]

These Islamic principles[or lack thereof--for many of these 
principals seem to go out the window depending on goals 
to be achieve] are taught to each and every Muslim, 
from the age of 5. Which one of these Islamic directives 
would 
you disagree with ? [See above]

To cut a long story short:
1. Allah, Islam and Muslims, or diper-heads, unfortunately 
enough,  as some of you wish to call us, , do not approve of 
killing civilians, women, children, nor the elderly.
[ Then why do the "peaceful leaders" coward in silence ]
2. If Usama Bin Laden had actually planned or 
master-minded 
this operation, any proper Muslim would ensure that he is to 
be 
put on Trial, no doubt, and the Islamic sentence for such an 
act, is death [Muslim law and codes of conduct seems to be 
two-fold;one set for Muslims; one set for non-Muslims]
3. For a trial to be held, concrete evidence must be 
submitted
4. Any action by a nation, against any civilian, be him 
Muslim, Christian or otherwise, residing in a Muslim nation, 
Islamically results in the declaration of a wholly war against 
such nation ie Jihad. This is regarded as an act of 
self-defense.
[However-if said Muslim nation attacks non-Muslim nation 
and its civilian population, be them Muslim, Christian, 
Jew,athiest--this is okay and the non-Mulim nation has no 
right to defend itself. Such defensive action results in jihad 
anyways]  
No Muslim has the right to take the life of any human being, 
unless in a state of war, and subject to the ethical 
conditions[2 sets to pick from] of Islamic wars above.

No Muslim disagrees with the above, so the question now 
is .  Do 
you still believe Islam to be a religion of violence ? [ Osama 
bin Laden has chose his set of rules and so has many 
Islamic terrorist groups.Many Islamic nations turn a blind 
eye towards terrorist; thereby supporting
the terrorist.] 

Islam is a religion of Respect and Dignity. 

If you think otherwise, you need to read more, and not judge 
Islam by the media in your country, because unfortunately, 
the 
Jews[there's that stain again] control that. Has a justification 
been given about the 
4,000 Israelis who didn t Turn up for work on the 11th of 
September ? 

Americans .. Wake up and Think for yourselves .!![I'm doing 
that]

Again, I repeat, I am a true Muslim, and I am proud of my 
Religion and if Usama has done, he should be sentenced 
to death, 
according to Islam...[the dog{:@( is sentenced to death by 
U.S. military--period.]

These are the facts, so does anyone out there still think that 
Islam, Muslims and Allah equal Terrorism...?[good 
question] 

Do you still think that I am a Terrorist, just because I am a 
Sudanese, Muslim, Arab, born in Libya, and living in the 
UAE?
[See above proclamation]
Think Fairly...

Peace...



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[This next post is included for reference with the following 
post]

From: Jerry Burundun 
To: all of you 
Subject: hope and understanding 
Date: Fri Nov 2 10:08:36 2001 
Message:

I can only hope for more understanding between the people 
and 
religions on this earth. Terrorism and war have never solved 
anything, they only kill people. 
The more the world grows together, the more dramatic the 
differences between people seem to become... actually 
opposite 
of what everybody believes would happen.
Peace and wisdom to all of us.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Ashraf 
To: Jerry Burundun 
Date: Fri Nov 2 11:53:53 2001 
Message:

Jerry is not a Jew, and I so pray he remains that way..
For he likes not to see blood-shed, in any given day..
Peace to him, and to all of you..
But not to the Jew..
YES..  [*]
But not to the Jew..
For he shoots in cold blood..
then the guilty one is you..

Peace..

[*]---[The "stain on the lapel" is fairly large]

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[This next post is included for reference with the following 
post]


From: a devout Person 
To: a devout Muslim 
Date: Tue Oct 30 22:53:06 2001 
Message:

Dear Devout Muslim,
   If you are happy about the WTC cowardly offensive by your 
daddy osama (proof that THE DEVIL fucked a llama) you, 
and all
your friends shall get to meet your real DADDY here shortly!!!
   Besides being a child molesting freak, Mohammed stunk 
like
dead goats, and was a fucking moron that couldn't read or 
write.
I'll bet you haven't bathed in two weeks. You probably use 
" Janitor in a Drum " for a deuce, so lighten up dumbass 
whore,
I've seen hell, and trust me, it's not what you've been told.
You'll be wishing you had a fire to keep you warm bitch. 
Anyway,
say hi to your DADDY SATAN for me!


From: Ashraf 
To: A devout person 
Subject: ... 
Date: Wed Oct 31 18:49:56 2001 
Message:

You say one word about the Prophet Mohammed, mmay 
peace be upon 
him, I will slit your throat like a goat. That's a promise.. If 
you have the balls to say this infront of me, I swear to God, I 
will kill you..!!!

[ This could be considered an online threat which 
consitudes a felony crime]
[ Now all the "peaces" are falling into place]
==============================================
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==============================================
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From: John
To: ALL
Subject: Nuclear War Survival Skills,
Date: Sun Nov 11 13:35:51 2001

Message:
Do you think there is possibility of a nuclear attack from this 
madman & group?  I do.

I also know, in reality very few people will actually die and or 
be physically effected by such attack.  Contrary to popular 
belief, even those living within a few miles of, will survive.  
So what to do?  Prepare!

Nuclear War Survival Skills, Updated and Expanded
1987 Edition,  by Cresson H. Kearny
Original Edition Published September, 1979,
by Oak Ridge National Laboratory,
a Facility of the
U.S. Department of Energy
Published by the
Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine
Cave Junction, Oregon

This 258 page online FREE book is available at:

http://www.ki4u.com/free_book/s73p904.htm

This book should be in every American home and place of 
business. It should be a part of all civilian and military 
defense preparations. In this nuclear age, prior preparation and 
knowledge are the primary elements of survival during nuclear 
war, biological and chemical attack, and other man-made or 
natural disasters. This book provides that essential knowledge.

I printed these sections for my personal reference, for use 
before, during and after attack:

Evacuation checklist
Pre-crisis preparations
Building a shelter
Ventilation & cooling of shelters

A Medic Bag checklist is available at: 

http://www.medicalcorps.org

as well as Potassium Iodide.

********

If you do not read this book, at a minimum you must buy 
Potassium Iodide Anti-Radiation Pills.  Go to site and read.

I ordered mine from Medicalcorps

Of course they are available everywhere on the net.  Just do a 
search.  Medical Corps is the manufacturer and ships immediately.
Read directions paying close attention to childrens doses.

Here's another site filled with data --> http://www.ki4u.com/

John
E pluribus unum

From: John
To: Spy
Subject: You are so far from important. I am convinced you are a lying, very sick little man. Now go away.
Date: Sun Nov 11 14:07:34 2001

Message:
I last night hit some of the other boards and saw those postings 
of Ashraf's.  I of course was appalled.  I couldn't be bothered 
though applying any additional effort towards attempting to 
influence this little-little man of no significanse.  I expect 
he will claim they are NOT his words.  Before you say that 
Ashraf, I say: DO NOT LIE.  It is obvious those are your words.  
The word compilation style is yours, and yours alone.  Don't 
say: "someone else posted in your name."  As if someone else 
cares about setting you up on the boards.  Yeah, right!  You are 
so far from important.  I am convinced, and all are convinced, 
you are a lying, very sick little hate filled man who, as I said 
earlier is unable to see past the installed Koran blinders. Now 
go away.

John
E...

From: Spy
To: John
Date: Sun Nov 11 14:31:48 2001

Message:
Twasn't so much to influence him--I was just out roundin' up
the doggies.

From: Spy
To:
Subject: bin Laden says "we'll never take him alive"
Date: Sun Nov 11 14:40:37 2001

Message:
As if we didn't already know that !

From: John
To:
Subject: They hate Jews.
Date: Sun Nov 11 14:37:15 2001

Message:
Observation:

The predominant opinion of everyone addressed the 
question:  "Will there ever be peace in the Middle East, 
specifically between Israel and surrounding Arab nations?"

The answer is a resounding NO!  That is a correct answer.  
Here's why:    Hate.    Hate is the reason.  It has nothing to 
do with land, past injustices, murder, war, etc. etc.

Hate, an Arab learned hatred for Jews.  PERIOD.  Hate is taught 
from that book, the Koran, and it is focussed at the Jews.

A friend last night asked me, "why are the Jews hated so much?"  
and "why does everybody hate them?"  I of course answered, 
everybody doesn't hate them.  But, there does happen to be an 
entire population of people from many nations, Arab nations, 
that hate Jews.  They simply hate them.  They are taught from 
their good book, the Koran, to hate them.  It's absolutely 
insane, but, that's how it is.  They hate Jews.  It's not going 
to change.  As the Koran is not going to change.  And it's 
obvious the interpretation of this Koran is not going to 
change.  The book says hate Jews.  So they hate Jews.

They hate Jews.  Let me repeat that in case you didn't 
understand the point fully.  They hate Jews.

John
E...


From: allatti2d
To: Spy; Ashraf; a Devout Person
Subject: Spy's Post
Date: Sun Nov 11 14:18:18 2001

Message:
Spy, I had not read those messages you had posted.  I assume 
they must have been archived from before I started reading this 
board, and I haven't had time to leaf through the archives.  I 
am responding based only on what you posted, not from going back 
through the archives and seeing any related posts.

Ashraf, I understand your anger when you see Mohammed slandered 
that way, as you must understand the anger of many Americans 
here who were victimized by the attacks on the WTC (and 
Pentagon, can't leave that out!).  I feel anger against anyone 
who might say such things about Jesus Christ or Abraham or any 
biblical prophets.  Two things that I will personally not 
tolerate from anyone in my life are direct threats (yours 
sounded very serious) and violence or disrespectful, horrible 
notions about any otherwise decent group of people (not 
including terrorists, which are of all nationalities and 
religions and come in all shapes and sizes).

I have respect for Muslims.  I have equal respect for Jews.  I 
believe there are idiots and violent, disgusting individuals in 
every group that are not representative of the group as a 
whole.  It offends me personally to see people slandering all 
Muslims and using the term Ragheads or Smelly Towelheads in 
reference to an entire nation, just as much as it offends me to 
see you slander Jews the way you did in those posts.  You 
said, "Islam is a religion of Respect and Dignity" ... can this 
also apply to you in your relationship with other religions?  
Please be a good representative of your religion.  

(By the way, Jews do not "control" our media.  That is a 
misnomer.  If HUMANS of Jewish descent own or operate 
corporations, then I say more power to them for working their 
way up in a free, capitalist society.  But there is no workable 
agenda by companies here to make our country a Jewish Nation any 
more than there is to make the U.S. a Catholic Nation or a 
Buddhist Nation -- there are controls for that in the diversity 
of our country.  The people simply wouldn't allow it!  Also, not 
every Jew is religious.  Get that out of your head.  Not every 
Middle-Easterner is Muslim, either.  How many different sects of 
Islam are there?  I've read about at least three different 
divisions today!  Obviously, not all Muslims agree with each 
other, even... just as not all Jews agree with each other and 
not all Christians agree with each other.)

My point in saying all of this is that I'd like to have dialog 
with you only if you would be willing to lay your racist and 
religious biases down.  I don't often care for some of the 
others here who say nasty things about Arabs or Afghanis or 
Pakistanis, etc., but mostly I understand and overlook the anger 
and try to move away from that.  Some of the jokes, although in 
bad taste, can be funny, but to make serious threats against a 
person (other than binLaden and the Taliban - I can handle that) 
is another matter entirely.  I hope you are able to change your 
tune a little bit there with regard to Jewish people and keep 
your own anger in check, as I know you can do.

To the Devout Person whom Spy quoted: I don't know if you're 
around this board any more, but yours is the type of post I 
mostly skip over because there is no real information there for 
me and you obviously don't know WTF you're talking about.  I 
know devout Muslims who think OBL should die, that HE is the 
infidel casting aspersions on Islam.  You also know nothing 
about the prophet Mohammed, or you'd know that when you say 
things like that about him, you are saying the same about 
someone like Jesus Christ.  Know where to direct your anger, man.

From: John
To: Readers
Subject: Expose the hate and force its creators to confront it.
Date: Sun Nov 11 14:58:32 2001

Message:
We all know that Arabs hate Jews, and Jews hate Arabs.  But do 
we really appreciate the hate?  Have we really accepted the fact 
they hate as they do?  I don't think so.  We analyze and seek 
reasons for attacks.  We look towards land disputes.  We look at 
injustices.  We look at, and negotiate land divisions with 
premis all will be calm thereafter.  But, hate can't allow 
that.  Hatred will always find reason to initiate a fight.  
Always.  This isn't about land, or deeds.  It's about hate.  
With hate there can never be communication.  Without 
communication there can never be solution.

If we can't accept and confront the hate, how are they going to.

I proclaim today.  Focus upon, speak of, and highlight the 
hate.  Attack the hate.  Expose the hate, not the act.  Expose 
the hate, not the land.  Expose the hate, not the bomber.  
Expose the hate, not the retaliation.  Expose the hate, not the 
process.  Pay focus to the hate.  Embarress the hate.  Expose it 
for all the world to see.  Expose the hate and force its 
creators to confront it.

John
E pluribus unum
(c) MMI JGM

From: John
To:
Subject: And the world will live as one
Date: Sun Nov 11 15:30:26 2001

Message:
My final post of the day is to share my recent acceptance of 
9/11.  Last evening, in a nightclub of all places, it hit me.  
It hit me like falling bricks.  As if it all came down on me.

Out of blue heard was Lennons song, by Jackson it sounded.  Oh 
it hit me.  The hate slammed me, it slammed me good, right side 
left side and all side.

Evil is the reference we use.  But evil doesn't define. 

Hate defines.  Hate defines.



Imagine
John Lennon 

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today... 

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace... 

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one 

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world... 

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one  

http://www.legend-johnlennon.com/  <--- to hear.


John
E...


From: Right said fred
To: John "maggot feast" Lennon
Subject: reality check please
Date: Sun Nov 11 17:21:18 2001

Message:
John Lenon was a phony
I believe these were his words "all you need is love" ya?
Then the Beatles split up and hated each other for years.
He believed he had the answer for a peaceful world, putting 
young people into bondage with free sex, drugs & rebellion 
against moral values.
The result is rampant sexual diseases horrendous abortion rates, 
drug addiction, broken homes, mental hospitals full to capacity.

He was a man with peace on his lips but war in his heart.
Anyone who quotes him are more deceived than Taliban kamikaze 
pilots.

Whats yellow, ugly and sleeps alone?



Yoko Ono

From: Right said fred
To: John "maggot feast" Lennon
Subject: reality check please
Date: Sun Nov 11 17:37:54 2001

Message:
John Lenon was a phony
I believe these were his words "all you need is love" ya?
Then the Beatles split up and hated each other for years.
He believed he had the answer for a peaceful world, putting 
young people into bondage with free sex, drugs & rebellion 
against moral values.
The result is rampant sexual diseases horrendous abortion rates, 
drug addiction, broken homes, mental hospitals full to capacity.

He was a man with peace on his lips but war in his heart.
Anyone who quotes him are more deceived than Taliban kamikaze 
pilots.

Whats yellow, ugly and sleeps alone?



Yoko Ono

From: common sense MC
To: the whole muslim world
Subject: mohammed got islam from a food blender
Date: Sun Nov 11 17:44:45 2001

Message:
Listen up camel riding tent and cave dwelling tampon heads.
Its time to loosen the towels around your deceived minds and see 
common sense ok.
Mohammed was good man but he was looking for religious answers 
to the different conflicting beliefs around in his day, he got 
on well with Christians and encouraged all you mussy's to do the 
same, he also got on well with Jews, He wanted to try and sort 
out the chaos of religious differences that were around 
so he put Judaism, Christianity and Ancient Arab beliefs into a 
Kenwood chef and out popped Islam.
Mohammed was laughed to his grave for his daft ideas until they 
learned to read and found that its actually Arabs who are the 
important people in Mohammed s teachings because while the Jews 
were not looking Mohammed swapped Isaac the son of Abraham the 
one who received the inheritance of what God promised and 
craftily switched him with Ishmael the Father of the Arab 
nations, who was conceived from an Egyptian slave.
And so we have the Qu'ran which is basically about as accurate 
and as reliable as a tabloid newspaper. Lovely Arabic poetry 
there maybe but from God it is not. William sheakspear could 
have written the Qu'ran and everyone would have praised it for 
its literary value but it has no meaning for life.

And so i want to leave these questions with you to ponder on.

1 If Islam is the true faith then why has Allah left  your 
countries desolate impoverished full of famine and with so much 
hate for each other that you constantly try to wipe each other 
off the planet not to mention blowing up decent people.
Could it be that Allah is trying to get through to your thick 
towel heads and tell you that your wrong?
Even the Jews took back there land that you could not do 
anything with and turned it into a paradise and now you are so 
jealous of it that you want to take it back. Shame on you its 
time to wake up nuke Mecca and turn the dome of the rock into a 
big bonfire celebration BBQ  and drink root bear.
cheers


From: John
To: Right said fred
Subject: How you see drugs, sex, abortion, and mental hospitals within...
Date: Sun Nov 11 17:43:32 2001

Message:
Dear sick BEAST.  I'd ask you to hear the message of the words, 
but you can't.  You can't see past your hate; the hate the words 
were created to silence.

How did you get to be so old and yet so hatefilled, and 
obviously hated.

How you see drugs, sex, abortion, and mental hospitals within 
the words of a song of peace and love only you can answer, but 
never will.  Just go from this place and never attempt influence 
over children.  You'll spoil by destruction all you contact. 

John
E pluribus unum

From: John
To: Right said fred
Subject: Go head blame Lennon. You Moron.
Date: Sun Nov 11 17:59:58 2001

Message:
I'm not quite finished confronting and exposing your hate.

You hate kids who stood up against an extablishemnet that all 
but encouraged them to sample a drug because a war was launched 
against them by Richard Nixon (a great man by the way).  Here's 
a president fighting a terribly unpopular war (he failed to 
propagandize properly and retain support for), with 
demonstrations all abound against.  Who, to silence the protests 
against the war, declares a war on drugs, to silence the 
youths.  Drugs, that were hardly a problem YET; till he declared 
war on it and the kids.  The kids, to rebell further sought out 
the drug he labeled as bad.  What a stupid move Dick Nixon.  
But, even you proved by later actions, you weren't perfect.  Go 
head blame Lennon.  You Moron.

John
E pluribus unum

From: Radio Europe
To: John,Justice USA, EVERYMAN, Eagle eyes...,
Subject: plentyfullknowledge
Date: Sun Nov 11 17:07:28 2001

Message:
FirstlyJustice, Radio was very happy to learn about your great halloween, but just never 
came to mention it in its' recent posts, so better late than never.  We actually have an ten 
month-old and three year old on our editors' staff, so we do like kids too...
Radio loves you, enjoys your verbal talents...

John, Radio's a tad more worried about OBL's nuclear possibillities than, let's say, his 
sex-appeal at this moment too...

Doesn't  it somehow feel as if he wants to lure as many foreign forces into Afghanistan as 
possible, only to play his next trick? Are our chiefs-of-staff calculating, or have they been 
for a while already?

Dear EVERYMAN, we reckon speaking out makes us all targets, don't you?
And, indeed, king Abdullah knows what dangers are luring...

ASHRAF, darling; stop making a fool of yourself, now... This has little if nothing to do with 
Jews, this is an Islamic powertrip...  Why weigh a fools words?... 
You want to become a new prophet, now..., here...?

Radio has been getting some strange telephone-calls, recently, usually around 2400 hrs 
(GMT, of course..), where no one answers, but is on the line in what is best described as 
worrying, astmatic silence. Have we, perhaps, one (very industrious) "listener" too 
many? 
This was the prime reason, Radio has been "layin' low for a while" (continental syle, of 
course...). Can  anyonr tell us, if we coul have been traced, actually?

For all the newcomers, before getting trapped in idealistic humdrum ("bullshit"), Radio is 
inviting you to the following URL's:

www.ahram.org.eg/weekly/2000/468/focus.htm 5 so this is 
why  OBL is in such a hurry)
www.zog.to/3/WTC/WTC-02.htm
www.jamiat.org.za/aalert.html
www.jamiat.org.za/days_ahead.html
www.medea.be/en/index089.html
www.zog.to/3/WTC/Saddam.htm
www.americanfriends.org/kashmir
www.ummah.net/ikhwan/
www.dhimmi.com/press.htm
www.muslimwriters.org/wwwboard/messages/4.html

be sure (as most of us did) to study this material in depth, before posting: most of us 
here know what we are talking about...


Love to all (and especially those mentioned above and Allatti2d) from Europe, this was 
Radio Europe...






From: Radio Europe
To: All
Subject: insights
Date: Sun Nov 11 18:24:57 2001

Message:
We forgot to mntion the sheer quality of the recent posts.

Europe is learning...

But then, we haven't experienced yet, what happened in America and fear is coming...

Thank You All, 

From Europe, this was Radio Europe... 

From: John
To: Right said fred
Subject: I'm still not done.
Date: Sun Nov 11 18:17:24 2001

Message:
I'm still not done.  You want to blame drugs and resistance 
against a war for todays drug problems, rapidly declining values 
and mental instability of this country's population.

You're looking the wrong way idiot.  The blame lies 100% with 
the Psychiatrists and drug manufacturers who push the drugs and 
the dependence that follows.

In the past 15 years we've created an entire generation of drug 
addicted children (millions) because they were diagnosed as 
being hyperactive, diagnosed with a (false reated) condition 
entitled ADD, AHD & ADHD.  These children being fed an entire 
assortment of mind controlling drugs leaving them dependent and 
incappable of performing in any functional manner in life.  The 
co's sell and push them through head doctors (not qualified to 
perform pet obedience), for one thing - money.

Ritalin - basically methamphetamin, when taken off the drug it's 
no wonder the child seeks out meth, extassy, cocaine, special K, 
heroine and all the other available right down their street.

Go head, blame Lennon.  

John
E pluribus unum

From: Everyman
To: John
Subject: Lennon
Date: Sun Nov 11 19:11:16 2001

Message:
Aw, c'mon John,
We all know it's all part of the 'Zionist plot'...otherwise he 
wouldn't have been able to put so many 'young people into 
bondage'...

(his record company must have been owned by a Jew)

The plot thickens...

From: Justice
To: Ashraf
Subject: You
Date: Sun Nov 11 19:51:49 2001

Message:
Ashraf, you are the biggest fraud this site has every seen.  You 
claim to be a devote Muslim that wants peace but then you 
criticize the Jewish faith and wish for their death.  You claim 
that everyone has the freedom to their own opinion and religion 
but when they question Allah, you threaten them.  You are a 
fucking hypocrite and an idiot.  You continuously contradict 
yourself post after post.  Who knows where the fuck you live, LA 
or NJ or some shit-hole in the UAE.  No one believes anything 
you say or anything you say you can do.  Just do the world a 
favor and kill yourself.

From: Spy
To: John/Justice USA
Subject: Syrup
Date: Sun Nov 11 19:56:50 2001

Message:
I'm expecting a LARGE shipment of Waffles soon. Gonna 
need lots of syrup (sorghum okay).
Justice USA---please bring the ham (bacon,saugage,salt 
cured slabs would be fine).(While your at it Justice--need 
smokes/--after meal ya know.)coffee also--thanks.

From: UK Voices
To: SPY
Subject: Talk to the hand and not to the face.
Date: Sun Nov 11 20:21:52 2001

Message:
Hey bwah!  You feeling big after trying to intimidate people 
with finding out their IP and reporting them to the Feds?  Are 
you the only one who can use simple software to trace users' 
origins?  Wow - how amazing. Anybody can tell I've come in over 
a dial-in.  If I was wanting to hide from you I would have used 
some IP masking and spoofed my source  connection.  Maybe even 
written a little application of my own using raw sockets 
programming to falsify my IP.   It's not hard for me.  I design 
and build secure banking protocols and standards for secure 
distributed computing over the net and it's childs-play for me. 
My SW experience with the experience in my international team 
goes far beyond what you've ever knownand we cover C/C++, Java, 
CORBA, XML and more.  Why don't you just sit down and stop 
pretending to scare people if you don't like what they say?  Go 
and hack into a Russian website again and report back to 
your "friends".  Oh - just to make sure you understand my post 
I'll use a bit of your language too.....    fucker,  vomit, cum, 
pee, etc...  Understood?

From: UK Voices
To: U.K.Citizen
Subject: Back after a great weekend.
Date: Sun Nov 11 20:23:34 2001

Message:
Alright my son?
Thanks for your analysis of my lifestyle mate but let's cut the 
crap and lay everything on the table.  Your theories of me 
playing on English stereotypes and my sinister motives to 
aggrevate are all pie in the sky.  What's the matter?  What are 
you getting for buttering these guys up eh?  I am not trying to 
paint a false picture of the UK view to these boys.  If anyone 
out of you and me is their benefactor then it's me.  Why? 
Because I'm not letting them live in ignorance like you are.  
The destroying of the "fragile harmony" is not some kind of 
sinister plot to cause war between us and them but it is to open 
their eyes.  The info I gave them (although it was very 
abrasively put) about the newspaper articles were real extracts 
from the broadsheets here and a fair reflection of how some of 
us think.  Why is that trying to wreck a false harmony?   So I'm 
not the dangerous "little boy" but you are for letting them live 
in ignorance with their heads up their bottoms.

You said to me in your earlier post...
"UK Voices, don't bother to read the other boards on this site. 
They are not a true relection of what is felt on this board."  
 
I know this to be true.  I have American collegues and some 
American friends.  The guys I work with are based in the States 
and some here in London.  Indeed I was in San Fran 4 months back 
working on an IT project with them and we all had a great time.  
These people do not have the hatred shown on this board.  My 
verbal attacks on this board are aimed only at the sickos here.  
Last week I showed my collegues this website and asked them if 
this can remotely be the general US mood.  A resounding "NO" 
came back saying that these people are actually the worst 
extreme of the US just like our BNP and NF.  My friends are 
actually ashamed that I came across this site and that these 
sickos have their dirty voices heard.  One guy told me "But then 
free speech has its costs".

Let me tell you why I have put these "aggravating" messages up.  
I put in a few keywords in my search engines to find out more 
about Afghanistan as I felt I was low on knowledge of what 
they're all about.  This site came up.  I was pretty surprised 
to see that the Afghan Government would have their own offical 
website after having heard the various stories about them.  I 
soon realised what this really was.  I also noted the venom with 
which each of these right-winged sickos attacked anyone who 
actually had a fair point to say that didn't agree with them.  I 
agree that they are an agrieved nation right now and they are 
not amenable to anybody telling them they might have deserved 
this.  Fair point.  BUT, to put up a web site based on a 
misleading URL that makes people think it is an officail web 
site for the Afghan Governmwnt, is bang out of order and if it's 
the way they do things then they should expect tit-for-tat abuse 
from anyone lured into coming here.  If they can't take it then 
they should beware next time before trying to pull off a stunt 
like this.

As you can see - all these sickos (let's call them fuck-ups) 
have done is come back at me with school-boy insults and amused 
themselves with me shagging some dog and whatever.  Wow - how 
hard is that?  Not exactly backed-up with facts or any informed 
views eh?  They deserve any mockery and my mockery is to wind 
them up 'cos they are fucked-up sickos who cannt hold together 
in the face of a light-hearted attack on their "values" when 
they are launching into denegrating abuse of others.  This is 
not the true America I have seen or known.  They have opened my 
eyes to the minority.  I am returning the favour.  Why do you 
feel it so necessary to feed them chicken soup and put a veil 
over British feelings?  They won't thank you for it.  They want 
to know what's really being said and they are big enough and 
ugly enough to face it I hope.

As for the Ashraf guy.  He's got patience and I hand it to him 
for persevering so long.  I would not bother.  These are not the 
real America.  These are the shite and the dregs.  If they want 
a private conversation to share their vile views of the rest of 
the world then they should have a URL to reflect that.  Until 
then, they will be getting these messages from whoever feels 
liek telling them what they really are.  

As for the theatre, I did go and we all enjoyed it. That's not 
an English stereotype as most of us hardly go the the theatre.  
We get a video from Blockbuster or do a pay-per-view on Sky or 
Cable.

Till next time dude.

From: Spy
To: UK Voices
Subject: Hey--what you so upset about,limmy
Date: Sun Nov 11 20:38:58 2001

Message:
About the wife and kids(goat ass fuckin' irish setter/beagle
cum suckers). How's the new film going?

From: Spy
To: uk vomit voices
Subject: your hand to busy jackin' your face
Date: Sun Nov 11 20:46:02 2001

Message:
I'm sure your hand is to busy finger bangin' the wife and kids
or else I'd  talk to it; for it make more sense than your face.

From: Spy
To: uk vomit voices
Subject: It took your feeble lack of brain 3 days to come up with that---ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ---WHAT A LOSER.
Date: Sun Nov 11 20:52:25 2001

Message:

From: Spy
To: uk vomit voices
Subject: "It's not hard for me."
Date: Sun Nov 11 21:06:43 2001

Message:
Your wife and kids say the same thing

From: everyman
To: ton
Subject: your stupid
Date: Sun Nov 11 21:17:52 2001

Message:
thats it in a nut shell

tony

From: MOMMY
To: UK VOICES
Subject: COME TO MOMMY....
Date: Sun Nov 11 21:07:09 2001

Message:
Wittle boy UK Voices feewings musta been hurt..  Awwwhh...  Poor 
wittle UK Voices, thinks he's a big boy cuz he can name some IT 
terms.  Big boy.  Big-big-boy.  Big boy can't place a single 
logical argument.  Awwwh...  Each and every he presents gets 
shot down, exposed, no credibility.  Poor wittle UK Voices.  

Mommy kiss it all better for you.  Come to mommy.

xxx
Mommy

From: ton
To: everyman
Subject: ????
Date: Sun Nov 11 21:20:20 2001

Message:
who are you,  what are you ?????   

From: Spy
To: uk vomit voices
Date: Sun Nov 11 21:29:27 2001

Message:
" Maybe even written a little application of my own using raw 
sockets"-----yeah---your wife and 3 "lovely" kids sockets.  

From: Canada
To: Americans
Date: Sun Nov 11 22:16:50 2001

Message:
I have a question.  Why is the United States and the American 
people so worried about what other nationalities, other countries
say or feel about them.  Why do you care about the coalition,
media images of casualties, etc.  

Any time some one is victimized, people who never liked the 
victim to begin with will always try to say that they provoked 
the attack, or that they had what was coming to them.  

The United States has seen first hand what many around the world 
experience on a daily basis, that is that there is no limit to 
the capability of humans to commit acts of pure evil.  Unlike so 
many others around the world however the States has the ability 
to defend themselves yet there actions thus far are weak and 
seem to fall far short of what actions are required.  

My final question is for Americans only, other people's opinions 
are quite frankly irrelevent.  Why not nuke them.  Why not send 
battalions of soldiers into Afghanistan, Iraq, and where ever 
else.  Are you afraid of innocent cassualties?  That is the 
nature of any war, remember you were attacked first you did not 
ask for war, the consequences are not your responsability.  Are 
you afraid of offending other Muslim states.  So what!  

I have spoken to a fair number of fellow Canadians and have not 
as of yet found one person that wouldn't support the U.S. nuking 
Bin Laden and anyone else directly involved with the attacks of 
Sept 11.  

For all Americans reading this note remember one thing.  If you 
continue to act weakly as you have done in the past there will 
be more terror attacks, more death, more people jumping out of 
burning buildings.  

May God Bless America

Your friend,

Canada

From: Spy
To: uk vomit voices---(non-British voices)--- of shit asshole suckin' irish setter/beagle inbread momma fuckin' fools"
Date: Sun Nov 4 22:10:02 2001

Message:
Don't ever come back here again; dipshits !!!------things will 
get rough if you ever showup on the radar screen again !!!
You and "others" have WORN OUT your "welcum";
anti-British/American/Israel bullshit.

If you ever return---GOD--(PERIOD !)---Help You !!!

From: allatti2d
To: Canada
Date: Sun Nov 11 23:16:14 2001

Message:
Canada, I know you are not representative of your country any 
more than I am representative of mine.  I am an American 
(Southern California) and my response to you is to suggest you 
get yourself educated on domestic and international politics, as 
well as international diplomacy, chemistry, biology, and study 
hard the effects on the world of nuclear, biological, and 
chemical attacks.

We could very well bomb the hell out of Afghanistan, but 
thankfully our government is better than that.  We conduct 
ourselves with more respect and courtesy to humans.  We are not 
perfect, but you are WAY out of line to say we are weak.  In my 
opinion, the U.S. Government is behaving perfectly.  You won't 
see a lot of the assassinations on CNN, and I am certain they 
are happening.  You won't see a lot of T.V. coverage about our 
operations, and it won't be a sensationalized war by any stretch 
of the imagination.  Our soldiers (along with our brave comrades 
from other countries) are working their asses off EVERY DAY in 
the middle east, carefully balancing respect and diplomacy with 
vengeance and death to those who DESERVE IT.

I have warm feelings for Canada and have many Canadian friends, 
but you offend me when you say America is responding in a weak 
fashion.  You aren't there.  You have no clue as to what is 
happening.  You as an individual (not as a country) are ignorant 
to the facts, just as most Americans are ignorant to the facts 
as to what exactly is happening, what military operations are in 
force, what the next steps will be, and that is perfectly fine 
with me.  I trust our government, our president, and our 
international coalition of leaders to do what's best for the 
FREE WORLD -- not JUST the U.S.A.

So just sit back, relax, and don't ask us to give you any 
details about what our military is doing, because we either 
aren't told everything or we're not going to disclose it if we 
do know.  We're not going to put people in danger by 
broadcasting every detail of this war, and that's how it's gonna 
stay.  Get used to it.  Buy a flag and stick it on your car.

If you care to know how YOUR government is helping the 
situation, pick up the phone and give 'em a call.  I'm sure 
they'll be happy to tell you everything.  America isn't the only 
country that OBL/Al Quaida hates and will destroy if given the 
opportunity.  Watch your country's back too.

By the way, I personally appreciate your caring sentiments 
regarding the Americans affected by the attacks.  I guess that 
pretty much includes all of us.  Take care.

From: allatti2d
To: Spy, et al.
Subject: U.K. Voiceless
Date: Sun Nov 11 23:34:51 2001

Message:
Spy, I read what UKV had to say and I vote to let him/her live 
in his/her own little ignorant world.  I think if you ignore it, 
it will go away, and I certainly have no problem with that.  
Obviously UKV didn't have the sense to notice that this was 
FORMERLY the Afghan-Government site (means NO LONGER IS), and 
hasn't bothered to look at any of the past messages from the 
inception of this board, so in fact he/she wishes to live in 
ignorant bliss.  I say let him/her.  I noticed that heshe came 
back to respond to posts adressed to himher, and I have a 
suspicion that if no posts had been left, heshe wouldn't have 
bothered posting again (one can hope!).

Talking to or about that person is like talking to a brick wall 
(or to my 14 year old son).  Heshe knows what it is, but no one 
else will ever understand that type of thinking, if that's what 
we can call it.  People who don't bother to read the posts on 
this board aren't worth the time and aggravation.  Just pretend 
like heshe doesn't exist.  I don't reflect on the last thing I 
left in the toilet before flushing it, and neither should you.  
Your brain is too good to waste on that. :)

From: Spy
To: John
Subject: British/America/Israel
Date: Sun Nov 11 23:39:49 2001

Message:
"Even Lennon's glad he's outta this one---"
Whatever happen to Chapman ?

From: Spy
To: allatti2d
Subject: I agree--"but can't I be ME--can't I cause destruction or something--evreybody else seems to get a chance"
Date: Mon Nov 12 00:01:55 2001

Message:
I wish I was a "person of influence"---but then again;-- I am 
not smart enough to be a King David or a King Solomon.
The only thing I do know;-is GOD;( -whatever  one would call 
HIM by)--is REAL.(And that includes you uk voices)



From: Ashraf
To: allatti2d, John, Spy & Justice USA, Eagle-Eye
Subject: ...
Date: Mon Nov 12 01:04:37 2001

Message:
Thanx for your post..

I dont hate Jews, but I dont support Israel's act of occupying 
their lands, then shooting them out of it, to build more 
settlements.. When someone occupies your land, you do have the 
right to fight back, just like the US is doing. It is done in 
self-defense. The US has crossed thousands of miles to do this. 
Palestinians need only look infront of their feet.. They have 
the right to resist the occupation of their land..

About the threat.. You have seen how many insults I have 
received on this sit, and the kind of responses I have posted.. 
I never retaliated in a disgraceful manner, nor did I disrespect 
any religion. I didnt even curse back at those cursing me. But 
there is a red line for me, as there is one for you. Mine is 
insulting the Prophet Mohammed, may peace be upon him. I would, 
and on another site, I did respond with the same attitude to 
someone who had insulted the Bible/ Jesus, may peace be upon 
him.. You would have felt the same anger had that been said 
about Jesus or Mohammed, may peace be upon them both.. Yet, I 
agree, I shouldnt have let it get out of hand.. Like John said:
With hate there can never be communication.  Without 
communication there can never be solution..

John:

These were my words, the explanation therefore is mentioned 
herein above. I dont lie. My name has been used by another 
party, once, not more. You say that you and all the others, are 
convinced, that I am lying. Untrue, I didnt lie, I got angry, as 
we all do. If someone said something similar about your 
father/mother, you'd be pissed too, let alone your prophet. You 
are smarter than to think so, I believe..

Spy: 
The effort that you've exerted, and the lengths that you've neen 
to, to prove my falsehood, are amazing. Truly, I admire you for 
your patience. Unfortunately, you can only see matters in the 
way you want to see them. Sorry to have too disagree with your 
theories though.. thanx again..

Justice USA:
I guess no-one agreed to both the statements I had re-posted, 
did they? But I guess, now thy will.. Try to find common 
grounds, even if it is the font we use on this board, for once.

Eagle-Eye:
Long time no hear.. You are being missed..

Ps: allatti2d, thanx for letting me know that u r a woman.. 
quite a surprise actually.. but then, what you say makes sense, 
so I should've guessed it ;) You have won yourself a free 
Motorcycle tour of Dubai. Log on to: 
http://www.uaedesertsafari.com/motor.htm.

Peace to All..

From: Spy
To: Ashraf
Subject: No thanks needed--thanks---.
Date: Mon Nov 12 01:48:09 2001

Message:
Twasn't patience needed "mate"--therories more true than 
you'll admit. YOU HAVE SHOWN YOUR INTOLERANCE FOR 
JEWS---thanks again--Spy

From: Pathe Jalloh
To: Christians and others
Subject: Islam NOT Terror!
Date: Mon Nov 12 07:46:21 2001

Message:
I have followed the views of many NYkers and European who had 
the belief that Islam is the pillar of terrorism.
Foul! If you think Arabs and Islam are synonyms, then you are 
making a great mistake. The religion is not owned by this people.
Infact, during days of the Prophet Muhamad, arabs were the 
obstacle to his teachings. Also, if Jihad is still value why 
these two surats ( Khafiroun and Nassroulaye) are in the Quran.
This should be enough to educate you that Al Qaida and Taliban 
may be muslims BUT working contrary to the teaching of the Holy 
Book-Quaran....Is this going to help?
LEt put aside religion and fight terrorism as we fought rebels 
in Sierra Leone and Guinea.
MPJ

From: Right said fred
To: John
Subject: Dear John
Date: Mon Nov 12 08:33:57 2001

Message:
Dear john i think it would be impossible for me to try and 
fathom the depths of your ignorance the pressure down there is 
to dangerous.

I'm sorry i made you choke on your Sunday roast yesterday with 
my truthful comments  about your pop idle Lennon.
Looking at your Reply's you came at me three times spurting out 
less common sense than a conversation between Mohammed Ali and 
Ronald Reagan. How are you  able to type messages wearing a 
straight jacket anyhow ?
Its sad that people like you who are puppets of the depraved 
sixties Beatles revolution movement destroying families all over 
the world are not exposed for how ignorant you really are.
Looking at your comments you said I am full of hate but you are 
hate incarnate, what a hypocrite 
My prayer is that one day the light will shine in to your mixed 
up world of fantasy and allow you to see truth.

i have three words for Osama Bin lennon  RIP

Rest in poo



From: Blair's hairdresser
To: MUSLIMS
Subject: Turbanator III
Date: Mon Nov 12 09:18:19 2001

Message:
Get ready cloth heads america is sending its greatest weapon: 
Arnie the Turbanator. 
He's gonna kick some Talibutt.
You have been  warned 
I'll be back!!
TBH

 

From: God
To: ISLAM
Date: Mon Nov 12 10:02:57 2001

Message:
ISLAM is Terror

From: John
To: Right said fred
Subject: Should you wish to reopen communication with them, simply keep your mouth shut and stop attacking.
Date: Mon Nov 12 10:25:13 2001

Message:
It is obvious you it is a waste of effort and time to attempt to 
educate you.  You have made yourself incapable of learning.  I 
ask only one thing of you.  Think of your children and why they 
hate you.  It is because you do not listen and you force your 
warped opinion upon them.  Should you wish to reopen 
communication with them, simply keep your mouth shut and stop 
attacking.

John
E...

and you think..  how does he know this?

From: Everyman
To: Ton
Date: Mon Nov 12 10:34:51 2001

Message:
you don't recognize sarcasm when you see it?

From: Everyman
To:
Date: Mon Nov 12 11:05:27 2001

Message:
Or should I say facetiousness...maybe that's a better word for 
it...

From: Everyman
To: ton
Subject: philosophy
Date: Mon Nov 12 11:07:49 2001

Message:
Who am I, what am I, why am I here?
Questions that have been asked by mankind since it's inception...
I am a human being who happens to be an Americian.
 




From: U.K.Citizen
To: U.K.Voices
Date: Mon Nov 12 09:13:05 2001

Message:
Prior to posting your first statement, you, I presume, read 
through the postings on this board. You obviously formed an 
opinion in your mind and set about writing a posting that was 
itself filled with content designed solely to provocate. If you, 
as you have said, so despise the tone and content of remarks 
made by others in the immediate wake of the tragedy on Sept 11, 
then why as a first posting on this board did you then choose to 
do exactly the same? You are obviously an intelligant 
individual, keen to share with us all, your knowledge of 
computers. The reason I posted on this site was to express my 
SYMPATHY sir, something that,(unless I am mistaken and do 
correct me if I'm wrong) you have not done as yet. I therefore 
leave people to draw their own conclusions on that particular 
point.   

U.K.Voices, if you had examined my postings on this board and on 
other boards on this site you would have noticed three themes 
running through them, each of which I have explained.

1. To express my deepest condolances to all who have lost their 
lives, or who have had to give their lives in order to preserve 
the lives and liberties of others.  

2. To, express my solidarity with the U.S.A.. I, to MY disgust, 
have witnessed anti-Amercian sentiment simply because it is 
fashionable, for no better reason. I hope therefore certain 
people such as yourself stick to their principles and refuse to 
hire movie videos and view the latest multiplex releases, the 
vast majority of which are, as we both know, products of 
Hollywood U.S.A. Being in the computer field I can only assume 
neither you, nor any of your family use a Microsoft Operating 
System on your P.C.s. If your principles are of such value to 
you sir, as mine are to me, you will I'm sure, shut down your 
computer(s) immediately if that is not the case. If your 
programming skills are of such a standard, I await in 
anticipation to see a British O.S. alternative from you in the 
near future.

3. To go 'out of my way' to encourage other U.K. nationals and 
anybody else, for that matter, to contribute in a 'constructive 
way!'. I sir, have said repeatedly, that I do not represent all 
of British public opinion and nor do I wish to. If you had 
bothered to look, I had stated that I speak only as an 
individual. I DO however, stand by the statement that I, at this 
time, represent the MAJORITY of it.

In further rebuttle to your last posting, you should have 
noticed that I did in fact give the Web address of TalkSport, a 
national radio station which highlights any current issues and 
to whom which people then phone in or write an e-mail to express 
their opinion. It is the CHOICE of those who read or participate 
on this board to access that site to get a fair and immediate 
view of the U.K.

NONE of your postings have been constructive, in my view. 
Whatever your intentions might have been, you have only hurt, 
insulted, patronised and generally offended all those on this 
board. In the light of a further terrible plane crash in New 
York today I somehow doubt you would express SYMPATHY for that 
either.

    

   


    
  

From: Justice USA
To: All my friends on here
Subject: S.O.S QUEENS NY
Date:

Message:
We have just had a HUGE plane crash here in QUeens, New York. 
Belle Harbour has plane gone down on the way to Santa Domingo.  
Terrifying.  We are wondering if this is another terrorist 
attack on NYC.  It is a LEGAL holiday, similar to the day of 
voting on September 11th,  It has happened around 9:00 AM around 
the same time the planes struck WTC.  It is in the Far Rockaway 
area in which many of our beloved fireman lost 

From: Justice USA
To: All my friends on here
Subject: S.O.S QUEENS NY
Date:

Message:
We have just had a HUGE plane crash here in QUeens, New York. 
Belle Harbour has plane gone down on the way to Santa Domingo.  
Terrifying.  We are wondering if this is another terrorist 
attack on NYC.  It is a LEGAL holiday, similar to the day of 
voting on September 11th,  It has happened around 9:00 AM around 
the same time the planes struck WTC.  It is in the Far Rockaway 
area in which many of our beloved fireman lost 

From: Justice USA
To: All my friends on here
Subject: S.O.S QUEENS NY
Date:

Message:
We have just had a HUGE plane crash here in QUeens, New York. 
Belle Harbour has plane gone down on the way to Santa Domingo.  
Terrifying.  We are wondering if this is another terrorist 
attack on NYC.  It is a LEGAL holiday, similar to the day of 
voting on September 11th,  It has happened around 9:00 AM around 
the same time the planes struck WTC.  It is in the Far Rockaway 
area in which many of our beloved fireman lost 

From: Justice USA
To: All my friends on here
Subject: S.O.S QUEENS NY
Date: Mon Nov 12 12:13:32 2001

Message:
We have just had a HUGE plane crash here in QUeens, New York. 
Belle Harbour has plane gone down on the way to Santa Domingo.  
Terrifying.  We are wondering if this is another terrorist 
attack on NYC.  It is a LEGAL holiday, similar to the day of 
voting on September 11th,  It has happened around 9:00 AM around 
the same time the planes struck WTC.  It is in the Far Rockaway 
area in which many of our beloved fireman lost their lives.  I 
am heartsick over this.  WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON?????????  RED 
ALERT!  OVER AND OUT FROM QUEENS, NEW YORK  GOD HELP US ALL!

From: Everyman
To: All
Subject: Another perspective...
Date: Mon Nov 12 12:03:33 2001

Message:
Not to incite a riot or anything, but I found this an 
interesting read. Contrary to what some may feel, I think it is 
useful to at least KNOW what the opinions, thoughts of others are




In the name of God, the Merciful,  

the Compassionate

From: Saddam Hussein 

To: Christopher 

Dear brother in the family of mankind, 

I read your e-mail message of October 2nd carefully and I have 
well pondered over your emotions regarding the victims of the 
two towers. 

All I can say is presenting my condolences to you, and to 
reiterate the Muslims linguistic formula on occasion, like this: 
(God has created us, and to him we return. May God give you long 
life ) 

In a letter of reply like this, there may be no room to say all 
I want, not to acquaint you with Saddam Hussein s and his 
comrades in the leadership way of thinking, or of how Iraqis 
think through them, and of the kind of principles they believe 
in. 

Nevertheless, as you have come to me to know about things, as I 
understood from your message: the way my people, the Arabs and 
Muslims, for whom the Arabs are a model, think. You wanted an 
answer to these questions by addressing yourself to an official 
in the leadership of this people, and this religion, as well as 
to someone from the region, you call the Middle-East. 

I may give you an explanation to what happened to the two 
towers, and made America mourn, and inflicted pain and sorrow on 
others, because such an event has been inflicted on other people 
in the past, including Arabs and Muslims, in many cases.  

I began this letter, by addressing you by the word  brother , 
although you are neither Iraqi or Arab, nor a Muslim, as can be 
seen by your name. 

Christopher, do you know why I called you brother? Because I 
never forget, that all mankind come from Adam and Eve. They are 
all brothers, although they later became different nations and 
adherent to different religions. Hence, to our understanding,, 
we are one family within the peoples of our earth.  

In this family, there is vice and virtue, good and bad people. 
As long as a man safeguards his rights and duties, within 
himself, and with humanity, avoids transgressing other peoples  
rights, greed, and harming others, and tries to be useful to 
others, only if they ask for his help, he becomes their brother. 
But, when any member of this family of mankind oppresses, 
exploits, unjustly wages wars on them, or lies and deceives 
others, he would be acting like a devil in the form of man. 

We, Arabs, have learned this, brother Christopher, before any 
nation on earth. We have taught it to you, and to all the 
adherents of divine religions in the Universe, because God the 
Almighty, had created Adam and Eve on our land.There is no other 
chronicle or religion, that pretends, or can prove the contrary. 
Abraham, the friend of God and the father of all prophets, is 
one of us, as are all the other prophets. Whenever, God made a 
revelation, the Arabs were the people to undertake the mission 
of spreading it to other non Arab nations, after believing in it 
themselves. Again, I say that this the fundamental basis of the 
humanitarian viewpoint of, not only Saddam Hussein and the Iraqi 
people with him, but also of all Arabs, in all their great 
homeland, which was divided by British and French colonialism, 
and which the US is trying to halt its people s unity, and 
forbid them from enjoying their rights which God bestowed on 
them on their proper land. 

Once again I say, that the basic general rule is that, he who 
wants to avoid the harm of others, must not harm them. He who 
wants to enjoy the fruits of his crops must not damage the corps 
of others. In Iraq, and in the Arab rural regions, and that 
could be true in different degrees, all over the world, people 
would fight each other, and some of them maybe killed, but no 
one ever burns the corps of others. If a criminal ever did so, 
he would be considered an outcast, and his blood would be shed. 
Why is such an act so severely judged, although, in comparison, 
the killing of a man is much more a serious act than the burning 
of corps ? This customary law in the Iraqi countryside, and 
maybe in the Arab and world also, is based on two reasons: 
First: a man, can think, hide, and confront others, while corps 
cannot run, hide, or draw a gun on who wants to harm them. 
Second: a man cannot live without corps, and for this reason, 
burning his corps is equal to depriving him from his right to 
live, and also, because more than one family may have a share in 
these corps. The damage would be inflicted, not only on the 
share of the person who is meant to be harmed. It would include 
the shares of the entire family: women, children, old people, or 
even young men, who can carry weapons. It is for this reason, 
that our religion prohibits the killing of woman, children and 
old men, as well as the uprooting of trees, when a war is 
fought, by necessity, between two armies. 

Do you know, brother Christopher, that your admini- stration, in 
its war against the people of Iraq,has been burning not only the 
cereals in silos, but even the harvest by throwing flares in 
order to make Iraqi people starve? 

Do you know what does this mean ? It means collective death. 
Your successive administrations have killed one million and a 
half Iraqis in eleven years as a result of the blockade it has 
imposed on Iraq, according to statistics published international 
organizations, including American humanitarian organization. You 
can ask them for details, by Internet. 

Food is important and holy to people, because it is related to 
man s right to live. In the same way medicine has the same 
sanctity. This is something we have learned from our history and 
civilization which are thousands of years old, Hence I remind 
you of the Crusades in 1096-1291 by which the western aggressors 
came to occupy the land of Arabs, under the pretext of saving Al-
Quds from the infidel Muslims as confirmed by documents issued 
by the west itself. Notice the motto, dear Christopher:  Saving 
Al-Quads from the infidel Muslims ! So, the Muslims are 
infidels, not in the eyes of the church, but in the eyes of the 
Western leaders who mobilized the nations of the West to come as 
invaders to the holy land of Al-Quads, which is the land on 
which landed Prophet Mohammed  Peace be upon him  in his divine 
nocturnal journey. 

An individual person in a nation, may be fanatic because of a 
wrong reasoning, or awareness, but could leaders be so too? 

You may say that this is something that happened a very long 
time ago. But what made me mention it in my letter to you, is 
what I saw, and heard of some leaders, not ordinary Western 
citizens. It seems that as if those leaders have recalled all 
this inventory of fanaticism and hatred of the times of the 
Crusades, in which the Western leaders considered the Arabs, who 
are the people of the country and the owners of the land, as 
infidels who must be expelled from their land by force.  

They have, now, planted the Zionist entity in our land to 
replace that hatred. They have revived the memory of the old 
Crusades wars by a new war of Crusades, called for by the 
highest ranking rulers in your country, and in other countries 
of the west. 

Isn t it a paradox, and double standards, to accuse a citizen of 
fanaticism, to denounce his fanatic attitude and than to 
mobilize armies against him, and against the country in which he 
is living, on the basis of nothing but suspicions, while waging 
an outrageous campaign of hatred and fanaticism to the maximum, 
which even includes calling for, and the recalling the old 
Crusades wars against Arab and Muslims, as we mentioned ? ! 

Nevertheless it is well-known, that when the Arabs and Muslims 
leader Salahdin Al-Ayoubi, was told that the leader of Crusades, 
Richard, who was called the (Heart of Lion), was ill, he sent 
him a doctor, and that when his horse was killed in a battle, he 
refused to fight anyone before mounting another horse. 

But do you know that your administration has, one way or the 
other, deprived the people of Iraq from food and medicine?  

Do you know the meaning of the death of one million and a half 
human beings, in addition to those who are killed by bombs and 
missiles? 

Maybe, you and the majority of the peoples of America, do not 
know that American bombardmen, and death harvest caused by 
fighter jets, and missiles, are ongoing in Iraq for the last 
eleven years, and have not stopped until the moment of writing 
this letter? Do you know why you don t know?! Because the media 
in your country which is controlled by Zionism, do not want you 
to known. And because your administration, which says that it is 
necessary for the peoples of the world to know, does not want 
you to know. You should ask your administration, why doesn t it 
speak to you about facts ? Why doesn t present you any 
information except its devilish fancies ? 

As for me, I can tell you why Zionism doesn t want you to know 
the harm inflicted on the people of Iraq. The Zionist and the 
American administration believe that it is necessary that Iraqis 
die. The Jewish Albright, the former US Secretary of State, 
spoke in this way, or in a similar case, when she said that the 
objectives of the US foreign policy, justify the death of Iraqi 
children. The reason is that the Iraqis refused the Zionist 
usurpation of Arab and Palestinian territories. They refuse to 
accept the crimes of occupying Palestine, the Golan, and the 
Lebanese territories, and refuse do accept the Zionists 
confiscation of the holy places of the believers in God, 
including Muslims there. 

Hence, whenever Zionism has the upper hand over high ranking 
officials in America, it pushes the administration toward a 
confrontation with the Arabs, and reinforces Zionist entity, at 
the expense of Arab and Palestinian rights. 

By the way, please ask for the videotapes to see how the Jews, 
in the occupied territories, kill old men, children and women, 
in front of the cameras. Do you know that all these crimes have 
been perpetrated since 1935 by using Western weapons, and in 
fact, American weapons in particular, weapons that cost billions 
of dollars, the administration takes from American tax-payers to 
be granted as an aid to the Zionist entity ? 

So, the Arabs and Muslims did not cross the Atlantic, as 
invaders or aggressors. They did not colonize America. It is 
America that brought them all kinds of sufferings. If any of 
your rulers says something different, please discuss it with 
them. For example, if they say that they crossed the Atlantic to 
make sure that you get your oil supplies, tell them that oil is 
guaranteed by mutual interests and non-aggression, not by 
aggressions, killing, violating other people s rights, and 
destroying all sanctities. 

If your rules say that , they crossed the Atlantic in the past 
to fight Communism so that it does not invade the West, tell 
them that the ex-Soviet Union has fallen apart, as has the 
Warsaw Pact, although I personally don t accept the 
contradiction between the call for the freedom of thinking, and 
saying that the Western way of thinking is more vital and 
modern, as the intellectuals and leaders of the West say, and 
between fearing Communism. 

Do you know, brother Christopher, that the NATO, which was 
created under the pretext of confronting Communism, still 
exists, and was even enlarged after the collapse of the Warsaw 
Pact. Decisions of death are taken in its name, against some 
peoples of the world sometimes, as was the case against 
Yugoslavia, because it is an independent, and Slovak country, 
and because the majority of its people are Orthodox, not because 
their oppression of Muslims in Bosnia, as was claimed, to fool 
the Muslims, and falsely win their support in international 
forums? 

If we go on, we can give thousands of examples on the blind 
fanaticismexported by the West to the world with American 
participation during the last 50 years. But I don t want to 
burden you. I only want to tell you that the people of Iraq are 
against all kinds of fanaticism, whether based on religion, 
nationality or race. They are against the use of fanaticism as a 
cover for harming people whom God does not accept to harm. They 
call for love between the peoples and nations of the world. 
Nevertheless, we do not believe in love on one side only. 

Iraq has been harmed severely by the fanaticism of others, 
including America. It was also severely harmed by terrorism. 
Maybe you don t know that many the members of our leadership 
were victims of terrorism and terrorists. Some of them escaped 
death, by the will of God, after being injured or missed by the 
terrorists,in addition to the pain inflicted to our people.  

Do you know brother, that your administration s reaction to 
that, was one of encouraging it and rejoicing ? Do you know that 
your administration has been encouraging terrorism against us 
for the past eleven years, calling to overthrow us by force, 
allocating special funds to do so, and boasting about not 
fearing God, as it publicly announces that on TV screens, 
because Iraq does not have the same destructive force and 
armament of America ? The Palestinians, whose right to resist 
the occupation forces are guaranteed by the international law, 
promulgated by America and the other big powers, are considered 
terrorists because they resist the Zionist occupation of their 
territories, and holy places. 

Tell me, brother, if the Vatican is occupied by Arabs, or non-
Arab Muslims, wouldn t its people fight the occupying forces? 
Wouldn t the English people fight for the Westminster cathedral? 
Or wouldn t the French people, defend Notredame? I say they must 
fight for them ! Why, then, are your armies occupying Mecca and 
the land of our Prophet? Why are you occupying the regional 
waters in the Arab Gulf, in addition to territories in its 
countries ? Why is your ally, the Zionist entity, occupying our 
holy places, and territories, in Palestine, by using your arms, 
and financial, political, media, and moral support? And, why are 
your administration killing people, including children in Iraq, 
Afghanistan, and in Palestine now, just as it did, before that, 
in Lebanon, Sudan, Somalia and Libya, and the list of Arabs and 
Muslims to be killed is long ?! 

I know that Arabs are far from being fanatic. Do you know why? 
Because, God, the Almighty, assigned them with the mission of 
delivering the messages of all religions to humanity, and not to 
Arabs alone. They have fulfilled their mission, so that all 
Christians are now indebted to Arabs for guiding them to Faith, 
which God wanted them to have when, He made it possible for them 
to reach you, or for you to reach them, so that you know what 
they believe in, and be affected by it. 

I know that Arabs, in general, do not adopt fanatic stances 
against any people for religious reasons. But, can anyone 
guarantee that one fanaticism does not create another ? Can 
anyone guarantee that the death toll and killing, inflicted upon 
Arabs and Muslims by the American armies, would not lead to a 
counter-reaction, whether that reaction is well guided, or is a 
random one, that pleases no one except those who carry it out? 

These words are general rules and principles, although I still 
do not know who is behind what happened to the towers on 
September 11, 2001. Your government did not help me, or anyone 
else, by showing, or communicating the information it possesses, 
so that we can elaborate an opinion, if it needed to know the 
opinion of those whose people it daily attacks with bombs, 
starves to death, and deprives from the right to live, 
construct, and deploy their creativity. 

Our law, which is borne of our religion and heritage, and of our 
reasoning which is thousands of years deep, stipulates:   the 
Plaintiff should present evidence and the defendant should take 
an oath.  But the plaintiff, which is your administration did 
not present any evidence so far. Nevertheless, it accused the 
people it accused, without showing us, or anyone else, any 
evidence, except for Blair and the ruler of Pakistan, as they 
both said. The people accused have not pleaded guilty. 

Anyhow, I don t think that your administration deserves the 
condolences of Iraqis, except if it presents its condolences to 
the Iraqi people for the one million and a half Iraqis it 
killed, and apologizes to them, for the crimes it committed 
against them. As for the American people, we have sent them our 
condolences through Mr. Tareq Aziz s letter to the Voices in the 
Wilderness Organization Mr Ramsi Clark, the former Attorney 
General, on Sept. 18,2001. 

Dear brother,  

He who does not want his harvest to be burned must not set fire 
to the harvest of others. He, who wants to live in security, 
should accept the right of others to live in security, and he 
who is irritated, or raged by an aggression, should not aggress 
others. He who cherishes the lives of his people, should 
remember that God created all people equal at birth, in death, 
and in their human values, that s why he should remember that 
the lives of others are also cherished by their people. He who 
strikes people with remote control missiles should expect, that 
there would be someone to seek revenge, for his dignity and the 
dignity of his people, and consequently does something harmful, 
or fatal, by stabbing a dagger in his body, or taking his life 
by a sword.  

He who sees himself as a man, who revenges his dignity, should 
not deprive other men from their dignity, and he who calls for 
the respect of his people, men and women, should respect the 
people of other nations. 

He who remembers God, must not ignore or forget, that God the 
Almighty, is capable of everything, and of providing the weak 
with what makes those who underestimate them, make heed of their 
rights and respect them. 

In any case, the security of humanity is, in our view, a 
responsibility on the shoulders of all good people. Any 
irresponsible action on the part of superpowers may give way to 
a counter irresponsible action by the people, even if the 
smaller nations do not take such a course of action. 

Finally there is something in your letter that you asked to be 
corrected, if it was wrong about the ex President Bush, is 
giving us reason to believe that he was our ally in the issue of 
Kuwait, but he was forced to abide with the United-Nations .The 
Fact, Mr. Christopher, is that, it was President Bush who 
adopted the logic of war, right from the first day of those 
events. He refused solving the problem politically, and entering 
into a dialogue with us. The resolutions of the United Nations 
were, in fact, adopted under pressure from Bush and his 
administration. He then waged the war against Iraq, in a way 
that had nothing to do with the issue of Kuwait. His objective 
was to destroy all Iraq, and to deprive its people of the 
edifice they built, in several decades, and not merely getting 
the Iraqi armed forces out of Kuwait. He did that in 1991, and 
he later committed similar things, and he and his 
administration, are still doing so under different pretexts and 
justifications. 

Wishing that you will have the opportunity to see the fact as 
they are, and not as your administration present them,  

Yours truly 

Saddam Hussein 

Baghdad, Shabban 2,1422 H.  

Oct. 18, 2001 
   
   


From: theE.S.D.
To:
Subject: SpecialReport
Date: Mon Nov 12 12:42:56 2001

Message:
To whom it may concern:
theE.S.D. has learned that  the ISP for one UK Voices has 
already been tracked down by Scotland Yard.
That location will continue to be monitored by the CID.

From: Everyman
To: Justice USA
Subject: We're with you
Date: Mon Nov 12 12:37:35 2001

Message:
Justice, thanks for the alert; hadn't had the news on yet, today 
(for a change) Just goes to show, leave it off for a few 
minutes....

CONDOLENCES to you and yours in NYC

from what they're saying here, it looks like the ENGINE fell off 
of the plane; and this particular engine has had problems in the 
past.  

Even so, it does make one wonder...


From:
To: All readers
Subject: Another perspective
Date: Mon Nov 12 13:05:51 2001

Message:
Counterfit garbage

From: John
To: U.K.Citizen
Subject: RE: U.K.Voices & "Right said fred"
Date: Mon Nov 12 12:13:05 2001

Message:
Great letter UK Voices.  It is unfortunate its meaning will most 
assuredly go so misunderstood and/or somehow get turned all 
around by the individual it's addressed to.  He seeks no 
answers.  He asks no questions.  He is a replica to "Right said 
fred".  He read a 'few' posts and finds the need to intergect 
his provocative words with intent to cause harm, and harm only.  
Like "Right said fred" he fails to hear, fails to learn.  He 
thinks he knows all.  When in fact it's obvious to all, what he 
doesn't know.  And unfortunately never will.  He and UK Voices 
never will because they see only one thing - themselves.  
Like "Right said fred" who somehow, somehow finds drugs, sex, 
abortion, and mental hospitals within the words of the song (a 
song of peace and love) Imagine.  Anyone that can find such 
within this song is solely of one mindset - HATE.  How anyone 
could carry such hate for a man like John Lennon I'll never 
understand.  Maybe he's Chapman's dad.  Maybe he's UK Voices 
dad.  Or maybe he's the dad of the next monster we've yet to 
hear from.

John
E pluribus unum

From:
To:
Date: Mon Nov 12 13:09:51 2001

Message:
http://www.zog.to/3/WTC/GazaDiary.htm

From: John
To: ALL except Right said fred and UK Voices
Subject: ...simply reversing when searches take place, from after the flight to before the flight.
Date: Mon Nov 12 13:12:31 2001

Message:
To me it is obvious, though I may be wrong, this crash in Far 
Rockaway is terrorism.  I must believe a bomb was within the 
cargo hold of the aircraft.  The murderer terrorist was onboard 
the craft as he had to have been in order for his luggage to be 
on the craft.  International flights, by law, electronically 
match up luggage to passengers.  But, they DO NOT xray the 
luggage.  Xraying is not required.  Less than 5% of cargo hold 
luggage is xrayed or searched by any means looking for 
explosives.  bin Laden said he was going to take down plane 
after plane.  He will continue until we start inspecting "ALL" 
the luggage.  Unfortunately we do not have enough machines to 
xray all the luggage yet.  In the interim we can xray ALL 
luggage of suspect travelers.  If you are of middle eastern 
decent, your luggage must be physically searched - as in customs 
upon entering a country.  Instead of searching upon entry of a 
country, Customs should be reversed, and searching should be 
done upon exiting a country.   Very few new Customs officials 
would actually be needed.  As we are simply reversing when 
searches take place, from after the flight to before the 
flight.  Of course international cooperation from all nations is 
required to pull this together.

Now of course domestic flights need answer.  Give me a day.

From: John
To: ALL except Right said fred and UK Voices
Subject: An Executive Order for "temporary" federal takeover of airline security is need NOW!
Date: Mon Nov 12 13:40:28 2001

Message:
Here's the answer.  I don't need a day.

"All" suspect luggage going onto ALL aircraft must be physically 
inspected starting immediately.  Domestic bag to passenger 
matching must start immediately.

Mr. President,
 
An Executive Order for "temporary" federal takeover of airline 
security is need NOW!  Followed by a mass hiring of "temporary" 
federal employees to conduct physical searches of all suspect 
travelers luggage.  Costs to taxpayers is not issue.  Just do 
it, at whatever cost.  And do it now.  These temporary hirees 
can then be transferred to appropriate private sector employment 
positions following the revamping of these private companies.  
All training of new security personnel and ongoing training must 
be overseen by federal oversight personell.

John
E pluribus unum

From: Justice
To: John
Subject: Plane crash
Date: Mon Nov 12 14:00:11 2001

Message:
I agree with you about the crash.  Their are just too many 
things that point to a terrorist attack.  They do need to 
overtake the security at airports also.  You have Joe Bob 
whatever making $6.00 an hour in charge of our safety in the 
air.  They need to have standards with these private companies 
on who they hire and how they are trained.  Until then they 
should have federal security checking in the bags and the people.

From: BIGDLM
To:
Subject: WHO CAN WE LEARN FROM
Date: Mon Nov 12 14:35:54 2001

Message:
All I can say, is take a lesson from the Israelis. Let the US 
learn from them. It is their national EL AL airlines that is the 
safest in the world. All this is possible, even with Israel in 
the "Lion's Mouth". We are no where close to that mouth and we 
are experiencing horrible acts and atrocities because of this 
countries complacency on our status as a superpower. It is time 
to wake up and guard your citizens. Do what they put you in 
office to do. Cover all the bases no matter what expense. Leave 
no loopholes available. Once this is a reality, then we can 
strongly pursue and reduce terrorism drastically. No, terrorism 
will never stop. It has been around for over 2,000 years. 
Knowing this reality, the US must protect itself by, as stated 
above, using all of it's resources and truly guarding our shores 
and borders, as a true superpower can do. 

From:
To:
Date: Mon Nov 12 15:01:04 2001

Message:
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From: Justice USA
To: Right Said Fred
Subject: DROP DEAD COCKSUCKER
Date: Mon Nov 12 15:20:37 2001

Message:
DONT YOU EVER SAY SHIT ABOUT JOHN LENNON AGAIN.  I LOVE THE MAN 
AND WHAT HE REPRESENTED.  BRINGING HIM ONTO THIS FORUM ONLY TO 
RIP HIS MEMORY APART AND CALL HIM 'MAGGOT FOOD"  IS AS 
DISGRACEFUL AS THE GUYS THAT GANG BANGED YOUR MONEY AND LEFT ALL 
THAT WASTED CUM DRIP DOWN HER LEGS.  I WISH THAT YOU HAD BEEN 
THE ONE TO SWALLOW CHAPMAN'S BULLETS.  STUPID COCKSUCKER.  JOHN 
LENNON HAS NOT BEEN AROUND FOR OVER TWENTY YEARS NOW.  THE TIMES 
AND ERA OF THAT TIME WERE A DIFFERENT CLIMATE.  YOU PEICE OF 
FUCKEING SHIT.  I WISH FOR YOU AND YOUR WHOLE FAMILY TO FUCKEN 
DIE A HORRIBLE DEATH.  SO SICK OF SCUMBAGS LIKE YOU COMING ON 
HERE AND TALKING SHIT.  BE HAPPY THAT I DONT KNOW WHERE YOU 
ARE.  THIS IS A FORUM DEDICATED TO OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS THAT 
WERE SLAUGHTERED IN VAIN AND ALL YOU CAN DO IS COME ON HERE AND 
TALK SHIT ABOUT JOHN LENNON.  HE DID A HELL OF A LOT MORE IN HIS 
LIFETIME THAN YOU EVER FUCKEN WILL, YOU COCKSUCKER COWARD!AS FAR 
AS THE REST OF ANTI USA POSTERS.  YOU ARE AS SNEAKY AND LOW AS 
ASSAMA HIMSELF.  JUST WAIT UNTIL YOUR LITTLE FUCKEN WORLD COMES 
CRASHING DOWN SOMEDAY..................

From: amanda
To: me
Subject: LOVE
Date: Mon Nov 12 16:08:39 2001

Message:
YES

From: Right said Fred
To: John & Justice USA
Subject: you are more near sighted than a bat
Date: Mon Nov 12 16:10:41 2001

Message:
My Dear John 
I m afraid your poor ignorance seems to be just coming out of 
you constantly, there is just no way you could possibly be more 
wrong. .
Firstly: I am not even married yet so I have no kids.
Second: All my friends and families children adore me.

As for uneducated I will prove it not to be the case and will 
uncover a can of worms in the world of your hero  John Lennon .

Was John Lennon a peaceful loving person who should be admired? 

Let s see

In the book the  Playboy interviews  John Lennon sums the whole 
Beatles Philosophy as quote   Do what you want as long as you do 
not hurt anybody , did he get this from himself? No it comes 
from a great fan of his called  Aleister Crowley  who was a 
Satanist who had confessed to Child sacrifices, he was known in 
the early 1900 s as the wickedest man alive.  
http://www.salon.com/books/review/2000/08/31/sutin/

John Lennon was Quoting Crowley s Famous statement from the book 
of the Law  do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law  he 
taught in this book about the doing away with all moral values 
until people did not have to feel bad about living carefree 
disrespecting  destructive lives, he taught that the only way 
this could happen would be to remove the current system in a 
destructive revolution which Lennon supported.

On the white album disc 2 song 8 we see the song  revolution  
with the words  You say you want a revolution Well, you know We 
all want to change the world You tell me that it's evolution 
Well, you know
We all want to change the world But when you talk about 
destruction Don't you know that you can count me out

Notice that where it say s  when you talk about destruction you 
can count me out  seems harmless like they do not want 
destruction however when you listen to the song they sing  when 
you talk about destruction don t you no that you can count me 
out   IN. They sing IN straight after so they do want 
destruction.

The evil Aleister Crowley appears on the Sgt. Pepper s album at 
the top second from the left.
The Beatles have said that the people on the top row on the 
album were the people they most admired.
When you read inside the sleeve of the Sgt. Peppers CD you ll 
see that John Lennon had Adolph Hitler  in amongst the crowd but 
had him removed before the album was released to Lennons regret. 
Its obvious that Lennon was an admirer of  Hitler, and nobody 
cares, cause they are to deceived.

In the book  The lives of John Lennon  Albert  Goldman talks of 
how Yoko Ono went to South America to make a pact with Satan for 
john Lennons career she gave  60,000 to a black witch who 
sacrificed an animal to seal John Lennons future.

About Jesus Christ, John lennon said in his book  John lennon in 
his own write a spaniard in the works  that he was  a garlic 
eating stinking little yellow greasy fascist bastard   Why? Its 
simple because someone like Jesus Christ stood in Lennon s, 
Crowley s and Hitler s way for a complete immoral world of 
destructive revolution. 
These are what the lyrics mean in the song  Imagine  by John 
Lennon he say s  you say I m a dreamer but I m not he only one  
well we now know who shared his dream.

He finished by saying,  I hope someday you ll join us and the 
world will be as one. One what? Sex crazed drug overdosed 
immoral perverted destructive Sodom planet earth where anything 
goes.

I wonder if you will now smash your Lennon albums up now John?

What does this have to do with Sept 11th I hear you ask yourself?
Well at times like these deceived people bring out the Dillon / 
Lennon albums saying these people had the right idea when in 
reality they were worse than the problem.

Signing out

Fred


From: Zionist
To: whoever
Subject: your teeth are chattering for nothing frightened children
Date: Mon Nov 12 17:04:03 2001

Message:
It seems like your world has already come crashing down justice 
USA.
don't pannic everyone it was a terrible accident so there is no 
need to jump all over Binladen's Butt for this one, he's still 
trying to surgically remove the cruise misile out of his ass 
from the last one.
As for John Lennon i was not even around when he was singing so 
bite me.
happy day.


From: U.K.Citizen
To: John
Date: Mon Nov 12 18:07:04 2001

Message:
EagleEye.

From: Right said Fred
To: Justice USA
Subject: I refuse to give in to the dark side
Date: Mon Nov 12 18:47:42 2001

Message:
I feel like Luke Skywalker right now Justice
Inside i feel tempted to launch into you without mercy but like 
Darth Vader i feel there is good in you, i'm convinced you 
haven't been driven completely over to the dark side.
I will not fight you Justice
night Justice
Night John boy

From: John
To: Right said fred
Subject: Your post of which I cannot, nor can any one decifer remains unread.
Date: Mon Nov 12 19:38:31 2001

Message:
Your post of which I cannot, nor can any one decifer remains 
unread.

You may want to consider a course on sentence structure.  But 
you won't as you think you know all there is to know.

Please, now go away, you sick, old, child abandoning, lonely, 
meaningless nothing of a man.  You are not wanted here.  You are 
almost as unwanted here and your family doesn't want you there.

John
E pluribus unum

From: EagleEye
To: UK Citizen / John
Subject: Right! ........ said Fred
Date: Mon Nov 12 19:39:31 2001

Message:
Its all been said before ... what the point right said dude?

 ..... been "watching" - sorry John and JusticeUSA - John Lennon 
is not a battle I care to fight - fail to see the purpose 
really - why are we even discussing John Lennon good bad or 
indifferent - how did John Lennon have a freakin thing to do 
with Saudi Arabia barracks bombing, The USS Cole, 911 
chickenshit, Kenya, Tanzania, Saddam Hussein or Usama bin 
Lucifer?  He's not even really an American, and way before my 
time - his music never really spoke to me, didnt enjoy it, and 
found them "Beatles" a bore - but what the hell does that matter 
really ........ what I think of John Lennon's music? or Fred 
or ?  I must have missed something.  

Aint it odd that the FBI and Interpol has traced Al-Cunta's 
paymaster to the UAE Mr. Ashraf?  How's your little Hawala 
doing?  Dubai motorcycle tours .... hehehehehehe.

From:
To:
Date: Mon Nov 12 19:53:34 2001

Message:
Oh, and just a thought to share with the folks of character 
here.  Personally, though I'd like to, I do not own any John 
Lennon albums.  I posted a message sharing an experience I had 
the evening before.  Amongst my contributions, very seldom do I 
share data as such.  But I thought it quite a meaningful segment 
of time for me and I thought I'd share it.  The following is a 
reprint of that post along with the song that brought upon the 
moment for me:

*******

From: John 
To: 
Subject: And the world will live as one 
Date: Sun Nov 11 15:30:26 2001 
Message:

My final post of the day is to share my recent acceptance of 
9/11.  Last evening, in a nightclub of all places, it hit me.  
It hit me like falling bricks.  As if it all came down on me.

Out of blue heard was Lennons song, by Jackson it sounded.  Oh 
it hit me.  The hate slammed me, it slammed me good, right side 
left side and all side.

Evil is the reference we use.  But evil doesn't define. 

Hate defines.  Hate defines.



Imagine
John Lennon 

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today... 

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace... 

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one 

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world... 

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one  

http://www.legend-johnlennon.com/  <--- to hear.


John
E...

********

And then in the next post, out of the blue, "Right said Fred"  
an obvious hate filled, evil piece of Garbage, posts this 
response to me:

From: Right said fred 
To: John "maggot feast" Lennon 
Subject: reality check please 
Date: Sun Nov 11 17:21:18 2001 
Message:

John Lenon was a phony
I believe these were his words "all you need is love" ya?
Then the Beatles split up and hated each other for years.
He believed he had the answer for a peaceful world, putting 
young people into bondage with free sex, drugs & rebellion 
against moral values.
The result is rampant sexual diseases horrendous abortion rates, 
drug addiction, broken homes, mental hospitals full to capacity.

He was a man with peace on his lips but war in his heart.
Anyone who quotes him are more deceived than Taliban kamikaze 
pilots.

Whats yellow, ugly and sleeps alone?  Yoko Ono

*******

Never posted a single line here, All he has to offer is hate for 
John Lennon.  Followed by a tasteless racist joke.  What a 
nothing hatefilled person.

John
E...



From: John
To: EagleEye
Subject: I do hope he just goes away...
Date: Mon Nov 12 20:10:37 2001

Message:
EagleEye,  I agree, but I am still amazed.  I share a moment and 
a song.  I shared some words that helped me find some acceptance 
and some closure for 9/11, and I get attacked.  John Lennon gets 
attacked, huh?

John
E...

I do hope he just goes away...

From: EagleEye
To: Every"man" [really?]
Subject: Sodomy Hinsane's supposed letter
Date: Mon Nov 12 20:00:09 2001

Message:
WTF is with you?  What is your point with Sadam Husseins 
alledged letter?  As if, that sack of camel dung had the 
brainpower to personally craft that baseless rant.

Why dont you excerpt it or follow on to it to help us glean from 
the "secret message" he must be trying to encrypt between all 
that utter nonsense he/you have presented to us.

Please tell us that you are NOT trying to tell us we should feel 
one ioda sorry or guilty for the Iraq situation.  Even Ashraf 
has the common fucking sense to figure out that Hinsane has 
off'd 1,000's of people in the attempt ot gain sympathy, and to 
blame US.

Here's ANOTHER fucking perspective mr. centrist fence 
walker ..... here's a word you can do some research on and 
present us with another alternative - since you love so many 
different ANGLES - the word you need to read up on is KURD. 

Since you chose to present the perspective of a Mad [is in 
fucking whack job] Murderer, the likes we havent seen since 
Hitler,  as an actual perspective ....... to think you have even 
given his perspective a shred of validity - you reveal the 
danger you present to ALL humans at large.

What's next from you ... "Mein Kampf" ?

From: EagleEye
To: who the hell ever ....
Date: Mon Nov 12 20:23:14 2001

Message:
"Not to incite a riot or anything, but I found this an 
interesting read. Contrary to what some may feel, I think it is 
useful to at least KNOW what the opinions, thoughts of others 
are"

Why is it important to you?  You dont seem capable of forming 
your own, OR taking a side or stand.  You stand firmly in the 
middle consistantly - this leaves YOU "no where".  Its very easy 
to not take sides "everyman".  Why go to all the extra trouble 
you do, to attempt absorbtion of so many different points of 
view - only to have no view of your own when your so 
called "analysis" is done.  Do you just cherish pointless leg 
work like a rat running on an excersize wheel?  Me thinks you 
just like to stir the pot.  

What kind of mental masterbation trip are you on anyway?

From: U.K.Citizen
To: EagleEye
Subject: Yet again..
Date: Mon Nov 12 21:28:43 2001

Message:
Very nice to hear from you again EagleEye....keeping well I hope.

Speaking personally, I don't mind Everyman. His posting was 
a 'little outta left field', so to speak, but his heart was in 
the right place regarding Justice U.S.A..Just my opinion.

However returning to important matters, tragedy upon tragedy has 
been heaped upon the city of New York today. I'm sure there's 
been plenty of conjecture as to the cause. U.S. Government 
sources indicated possible engine or structural malfunction. I 
believe the plane's black box has been recovered now. There were 
reports of an explosion in mid-air, but I guess it's just too 
soon to tell for sure. Regardless, I'm sure everyone's thoughts 
are with those who died and their families who must somehow get 
through this. I don't think either of us would like to see 
ANYBODY mock what has happened today or on Sept 11...and let 
them get away with it....

All the best.

U.K.Citizen.

From: Everyman
To: Eagle Eye
Subject: letter
Date: Mon Nov 12 21:27:58 2001

Message:
Why is it that if something is presented that you do not agree 
with you go into a profane tangent?  Does swearing demonstrate 
your superiority?  


Do we REALLY know what has been going on over in the Mid East?  
How many years were we inundated with Monica Lewinsky crap...a 
smokescreen?  A diversion?  Every day, day in and day out that's 
all we heard;  

I'm not saying Iraq was right or that Hussein is my hero (nor is 
Hitler)--For you to assume that shows how little understanding 
you have, or are willing to achieve.


From: Everyman
To: Fred
Subject: ?
Date: Mon Nov 12 22:01:32 2001

Message:
Sounds like you dropped way too much acid...what did you hear 
when you played the album backwards?

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Everyman
Subject: Fred
Date: Mon Nov 12 22:08:31 2001

Message:
That's the spirit!..nice socks by the way.

From: nobody
To:
Subject: bile
Date: Mon Nov 12 22:06:31 2001

Message:
There will be no peace while there is so much hatred in 
everyone's hearts. Look at the attacks here on people just 
for their opinions--can't anyone disagree without bashing 
the person you don't agree with? 

From: Everyman
To: U.K. Citizen
Subject: Socks
Date: Mon Nov 12 22:18:43 2001

Message:
Thanks!  I rather like them.

From: Spy
To: nobody
Subject: wrong page
Date: Mon Nov 12 22:30:31 2001

Message:
peace rally 2 doors down.

From: theE.S.D.
To:
Subject: HeadlineNews
Date: Mon Nov 12 23:11:54 2001

Message:
11/13/2001 : "IRAQ ISSUES NUCLEAR THREAT TO WEST" 

IRAQ ISSUES NUCLEAR THREAT TO WEST 

WASHINGTON [MENL] -- The United States has assessed 
that Iraq is threatening nuclear retaliation for any attack on 
the regime of Saddam Hussein.

U.S. defense sources said intelligence agencies and the 
Pentagon agree that Saddam has made the most explicit 
threats since the 1991 Gulf war that he is ready to use 
nuclear weapons. They said Iraq appears to be preparing 
either nuclear or radiation bombs in response to any 
U.S.-led attack on Saddam.

"There is plenty of reason to watch Iraq," U.S. National 
Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice said. "There is plenty of 
reason to make very clear to the Iraqis that the United States 
does not intend to let the Iraqis threaten their own people, 
threaten their neighbors, or threaten our interests by 
acquiring weapons of mass destruction."

On Wednesday, the Baghdad-based Babel daily, published 
by Saddam's son, Uday, reported that Saddam met with the 
head of the nation's nuclear and defense programs. The 
newspaper, reserved for the most authoritative messages 
from the regime, said Iraqi nuclear chiefs have pledged to 
accelerate their nuclear programs in defense of the nation. 

source: menewsline 


11/13/2001 : "Kuwait: Iraq Fired Mortar Onto Border" 

Kuwait: Iraq Fired Mortar Onto Border 

KUWAIT (AP) - Iraqi forces are believed to have fired a 
mortar that landed near a U.N. patrol and observation post 
on the Kuwaiti side of the border, a spokesman for the 
international observers said Monday. 

The firing took place Sunday morning and nobody was hurt, 
Daljeet Bagga told The Associated Press. He said the 
82mm mortar made a ``small crater'' in the ground and a 
cloud of smoke billowing from the site attracted a Kuwaiti 
police patrol. 

The angle of the trajectory ``indicated it could have been 
fired from Safwan inside Iraq,'' the spokesman for the 
United Nations Iraq-Kuwait Observation Mission said. 

The incident, the first of its kind in about three years, was a 
``very serious matter,'' and Iraq has been asked to 
investigate, Bagga said. 

Bagga said Kuwaiti border police have also complained that 
15 minutes before the mortar firing, two Iraqis ``in khakis'' 
were spotted firing several rounds from a Kalashnikov in the 
direction of the Kuwaiti border. Nobody was hurt and 
observers were not able to find any bullets, he said. 
Baghdad has been asked to investigate that incident, too. 

The desert frontier between the two countries has been 
closed since the 1991 Gulf War that liberated Kuwait from a 
seven-month Iraqi occupation. U.N. observers have been 
patrolling a demilitarized zone along the border since the 
end of the war. The zone, which is barren and uninhabited, 
extends three miles into Kuwait and six miles into Iraq. 

Also Monday, an Iraqi opposition group said that two men 
who worked for Iraqi intelligence before defecting to the 
West have reported seeing 80 Kuwaiti men in a secret 
prison near Baghdad as recently as last year, a decade after 
they were captured during the Gulf War. 

The London-based Iraqi National Congress, which is 
campaigning for the overthrow of Saddam Hussein (news - 
web sites), said in a statement that the defectors saw the 
Kuwaiti men at the Iraqi intelligence camp at Salman Pak, 
some 19 miles south of Baghdad. Few details on the 
defectors, including their current whereabouts, were 
released. 

The dissident group, in statement faxed from London to The 
Associated Press in Cairo, quoted the unidentified defectors 
as saying they worked at the prison from 1995 until 2000 
guarding the Kuwaiti prisoners. 

The dissident group said the guards were not supposed to 
know the prisoners' names but managed to learn some. 
The congress did not release the names but said they were 
confirmed by Kuwaiti sources as being among those listed 
as missing by Kuwait's government after the country's 
liberation from Iraqi invaders by a U.S.-led alliance in 
February 1991. 

Under the terms of the cease-fire that ended the Gulf War, 
Iraq is supposed to release all Kuwaiti POWs. Iraq denies it 
holds any Kuwaiti prisoner; Kuwait claims that 600 Kuwaitis 
and other Arabs are still in Iraq's prisons. 

In Kuwait on Monday, Rabii al-Adsani, the director general of 
the State Committee for War Prisoners, told The Associated 
Press the report was ``further confirmation that the 
prisoners are in Iraq.'' He said dissidents had given similar 
reports in the past. 

A spokesman for the Iraqi National Congress, Sharif Ali bin 
al-Hussein, said the defectors' allegation that Kuwaitis were 
being held ``is further proof that Saddam Hussein continues 
to break international law and all norms of civilized 
behavior.'' 

``The fact that (Saddam) is holding these prisoners, 
together with mounting evidence of his involvement in 
international terrorism, confirm that his regime is in material 
breach of the U.N. cease-fire resolutions,'' Sharif Ali said. 

Iraqi dissidents have speculated Saddam may be linked to 
the Sept. 11 terror attacks on the United States. If proven, 
such allegations could result in renewed U.S. attacks on 
Iraq. Proof that Iraq has violated the Gulf War cease-fire also 
could result in international pressure on Saddam. 

The Kuwaiti prisoners were said to have been held at a 
secret site at Salman Pak. The site, established in the 
mid-1970s, was known before the war as a place 
dissidents were taken for interrogation and torture and 
where Saddam's agents received military and intelligence 
training. 

The complex overlooking the Tigris River is camouflaged by 
date palm trees and surrounded by a barbed-wired fence. 

The defectors told the dissident group that the prisoners 
were held in an underground cell with one large window 
near the ceiling. The defectors said other Kuwaiti prisoners 
may be held in other intelligence prisons. 

The defectors said the prisoners were in good condition 
and were fed regularly and given medical care when 
required. 

By DIANA ELIAS, Associated Press Writer 
Yahoo News 




10/31/2001: "After bin Laden, We Must Target Saddam" 

The Wall Street Journal
October 29, 2001
Commentary
After bin Laden, We Must Target Saddam
By Joe Lieberman, a Democratic senator from Connecticut.

In his historic address to Congress on Sept. 20, President 
Bush declared 
war on terrorism and clearly defined the purpose of that war. 
"Our enemy 
is a radical network of terrorists, and every government that 
supports 
them," he said. "Our war on terror begins with al Qaeda, but 
it does not 
end there. It will not end until every terrorist group of global 
reach 
has been found, stopped and defeated. . . . Every nation, in 
every 
region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, 
or you are 
with the terrorists. From this day forward, any nation that 
continues to 
harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United 
States as a 
hostile regime."

In the days since that speech, concerns have been 
expressed that fully 
implementing the Bush Doctrine will cause some in this 
country and 
others in our international coalition to lose their nerve and 
loosen 
their support. But there is a far greater price to pay if we blur 
the 
bright moral line the president has laid down. Our 
international 
credibility as well as our national and personal security are 
on that 
line.

The immediate priority must be to obliterate Osama bin 
Laden and his al 
Qaeda network, because they have brutally attacked us and 
we, in 
self-defense, must respond. But as Mr. Bush made clear, 
eliminating bin 
Laden will not eliminate the terrorist threat. We are 
confronted by 
other dangerous terrorists who possess powerful weapons 
-- ballistic 
missiles, lethal chemicals and virulent biological agents -- 
and who are 
publicly committed to destroying us. Sept. 11 has shown 
that we ignore 
their threats at our peril.

We are at war, and it is always better to go into battle with 
allies. 
The administration is right to have worked at building a 
broad-based 
coalition, but that coalition cannot become more important 
than our 
mission. The coalition is a means to an end -- defending 
our values and 
defeating terrorism. If in pursuing those means we 
compromise those 
values and leave terrorists or their supporters untouched, 
then in all 
likelihood many more innocent Americans will die.

Throughout this war, we should remember three things: 
America is very 
strong; more than 3,000 Americans have been killed by 
terrorists; and, 
in the end, we -- not our coalition partners -- have the moral 
obligation to determine our response to terrorism.

That is why it is imperative that we hold firm to the Bush 
Doctrine: to 
be unshakable in our support for allies who are steadfast, 
and 
unyielding in our challenges to those who are not; to be 
uncompromising 
in our demands that countries like Syria and Iran end their 
support of 
terrorism before we open our diplomatic and economic 
doors to them; and 
to be unflinching in our determination to remove a uniquely 
implacable 
enemy and terrorist, Saddam Hussein, from power before 
he strikes at us 
with weapons of mass destruction.

We should focus on Iraq after we have dealt with bin Laden. 
We must, 
because Saddam has a special hatred for America and the 
capacity to do 
something terrible about it.

His record is there for all to see. He established a brutal 
and corrupt 
dictatorship at home. He led his nation to war twice to 
conquer his 
neighbors, with disastrous consequences for them and the 
Iraqi people. 
He developed weapons of mass destruction and used 
them, firing missiles 
at American soldiers and Israeli cities, using poison gas on 
Iranians, 
and employing chemical warfare against his own citizens.

Saddam's defeat in the Gulf War greatly weakened his 
military machine 
and set back his weapons-development programs, but it did 
not diminish 
his ambitions or improve his behavior. During the past 
decade he has 
continued to oppress and kill his own people, to break 
agreements he 
made to end the Gulf War, to deny United Nations 
inspections of his 
weapons, to support international terrorism, and to seek 
ways to achieve 
revenge against the U.S. -- going so far as to try to kill former 
President Bush in 1993. He is in a class by himself, 
different from 
countries like Mohammad Khatami's Iran or Bashar Assad's 
Syria, because 
there is no hope of reconciliation with Saddam's Iraq.

Did Saddam have a direct hand in the attacks on America 
that began on 
Sept. 11? The evidence at our disposal is circumstantial but 
suggestive. 
We do know that he has not just the motive and 
malevolence, but the 
means. And we also know that Iraqi intelligence officials 
have met at 
critical times with members of the al Qaeda network.

Richard Butler, the former U.N. chief weapons inspector in 
Iraq, 
recently wrote in the New York Times that his rule of thumb 
for 
determining Saddam's interest in a particular weapons 
system was the 
vigor with which he conspired to hide it. "I concluded that 
biological 
weapons are closest to President Hussein's heart because 
it was in this 
area that his resistance to our work reached its height," he 
said. "He 
seemed to think killing with germs has a lot to recommend 
it."

Whether or not Saddam is implicated directly in the anthrax 
attacks or 
the horrors of Sept. 11, he is, by any common definition, a 
terrorist 
who must be removed. A serious effort to end Saddam's 
rule over Iraq 
should begin now with a declaration by the administration 
that it is 
America's policy to change the Iraqi regime, and with greater 
financial 
and tactical support of the broad-based Iraqi opposition. In 
time, 
military support will follow.

The goal of the war on terrorism is, as President Bush has 
said 
eloquently, to bring our enemies to justice or justice to our 
enemies. 
We have now begun to do both. But those 3,000-plus 
Americans will have 
died in vain, and even more of our fellow citizens will meet 
the same 
fate, if we do not steel ourselves to see this war to the finish 
by 
pursuing and defeating all those who target terror at us. 
After bin 
Laden and the Taliban, Saddam is at the top of that list.




From: EagleEye
To: everyman
Subject: I had a lengthy - profanity free reply but .......
Date: Tue Nov 13 01:49:50 2001

Message:
my broadband connection went dow duringthe process of typing my 
thoughts ... sentences of my OWN creation - not pastes of others 
thoughts ..... the submit process failed, and 404 error'd out on 
me .... then it dawned on me ... maybe the only way you 
undertsand - is to see someone elses perspective via plagurism..

so here:

After decades of desolation, Iraqi Kurd villages rise from ruins
http://www.humanrights.de/t/turkey/apo/presse/ap/2202.htm


http://www.khrw.com/htm/kurds.htm
Kurds in Iraq
Iraq s 4 million Kurds have suffered severe repression in recent 
years. There have been numerous revolutions since the 
proclamation of Iraq as a monarch in the late 20 s and as a 
republic in 1958.  The worst human rights abuses have been 
committed against the Kurds during the Baath Party s rule in 
Iraq under the leadership of Saddam Hussein.  

During the notorious Anfal Campaign of 1988, the Iraqi regime 
carried out large-scale deportations, arrests, kidnappings and 
bombardment of Kurdish villages with chemical weapons.  It is 
estimated that at least as many as 180,000 men, women and 
children have been executed and buried in mass collective 
graves.  The adoption of resolution 688 by the United Nations 
and the operation of the  safe havens  policy have brought 
significant improvement for the Iraqi Kurdish people. They 
continue to live under continual threat of bombardment from the 
Iraqi government and the invasion of Turkish forces into the no-
fly zone..

http://iraqfoundation.org/hr/2001/ajan/26_deport.html

And this prick Sodomy Hinssein has the freakin audacity to talk 
shit on Isreal?  Usama bin Lucifer has the gall to acuse the US 
of atrocities to the Iraqi Baathe party and Iraqi people?  Oh 
all the Arab outcry for the Palastinians....., not yet a peep 
from the Peace filled Muslims / Arabs / Islamists[a word?] about 
Hinssein and the un-beleiveable and evidenced Hilter-esque and 
Milosovich-like ethnic cleansing by a fellow Arab and supposed 
Muslim.

The ridiculous two faced hypocrisy is pathetic and rampant.


From: Right said Fred
To: John only
Subject: tried to punctuate
Date: Tue Nov 13 03:45:56 2001

Message:
My Dear John 
I m afraid your poor ignorance seems to be just coming out of 
you constantly, there is just no way you could possibly be more 
wrong. .
Firstly: I am not even married yet so I have no kids.
Second: All my friends and families children adore me.

As for uneducated I will prove it not to be the case and will 
uncover a can of worms in the world of your hero  John Lennon .

Was John Lennon a peaceful loving person who should be admired? 

Let s see

In the book the  (Playboy interviews),  John Lennon sums the 
whole 
Beatles Philosophy as quote - "Do what you want as long as you 
do 
not hurt anybody" , did he get this from himself? No it comes 
from a great fan of his called  Aleister Crowley  who was a 
Satanist who had confessed to Child sacrifices, he was known in 
the early 1900 s as the wickedest man alive.  
http://www.salon.com/books/review/2000/08/31/sutin/

John Lennon was Quoting Crowley s Famous statement from the book 
of the Law  do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law  he 
taught in this book about the doing away with all moral values 
until people did not have to feel bad about living carefree 
disrespecting  destructive lives, he taught that the only way 
this could happen would be to remove the current system in a 
destructive revolution which Lennon supported.

On the white album disc 2 song 8 we see the song  revolution  
with the words  - "You say you want a revolution Well, you know 
We 
all want to change the world You tell me that it's evolution 
Well, you know
We all want to change the world But when you talk about 
destruction Don't you know that you can count me out"
Notice that where it say s  - "when you talk about destruction 
you 
can count me out"  seems harmless like they do not want 
destruction however when you listen to the song they sing  when 
you talk about destruction don t you no that you can count me 
out   IN. They sing IN straight after so they do want 
destruction.

The evil Aleister Crowley appears on the Sgt. Pepper s album at 
the top second from the left.
The Beatles have said that the people on the top row on the 
album were the people they most admired.
When you read inside the sleeve of the Sgt. Peppers CD you ll 
see that John Lennon had Adolph Hitler  in amongst the crowd but 
had him removed before the album was released to Lennons regret. 
Its obvious that Lennon was an admirer of  Hitler, and nobody 
cares, cause they are to deceived.

In the book  The lives of John Lennon  Albert  Goldman talks of 
how Yoko Ono went to South America to make a pact with Satan for 
john Lennons career she gave  60,000 to a black witch who 
sacrificed an animal to seal John Lennons future.

About Jesus Christ, John lennon said in his book  (John lennon 
in 
his own write a spaniard in the works)  that he was  a garlic 
eating stinking little yellow greasy fascist bastard   Why? Its 
simple because someone like Jesus Christ stood in Lennon s, 
Crowley s and Hitler s way for a complete immoral world of 
destructive revolution. 
These are what the lyrics mean in the song  Imagine  by John 
Lennon he say s  you say I m a dreamer but I m not he only one  
well we now know who shared his dream.

He finished by saying,  I hope someday you ll join us and the 
world will be as one. One what? Sex crazed drug overdosed 
immoral perverted destructive Sodom planet earth where anything 
goes.

I wonder if you will now smash your Lennon albums up now John?

What does this have to do with Sept 11th I hear you ask yourself?
Well at times like these deceived people bring out the Dillon / 
Lennon albums saying these people had the right idea when in 
reality they were worse than the problem.

Signing out

Fred




From: EagleEye
To: Ashraf - hrrrmmmmm ........
Subject: Sure have been quiet lately .... coincidence?
Date: Tue Nov 13 03:51:55 2001

Message:
http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/central/11/13/ret.kabul.wit
hdrawal/index.html

Mohammad Ashraf, a Taliban prisoner of war captured by the 
Northern Alliance, told CNN bombings in the north were very 
heavy and fighting was intense. He said he saw all kinds of 
weaponry, including tanks and rocket launchers, being used in 
the area. 


From: Everyman
To: Eagle Eye
Subject: Thanks
Date: Tue Nov 13 03:30:12 2001

Message:
Eagle Eye,
Thanks for those URL's.  Very informative.
Looks like we have another 'Hitler' on our hands.
Hopefully not for long.
Any complaints about destroying crops by SH  is like the 'pot 
calling the kettle black'

'Saddam's government says the Kurds were moved from rural areas 
to provide them modern amenities like electricity, sanitation, 
schools and hospitals.   But the Kurds note they were given no 
choice, and most were left jobless. With their fields untended, 
agriculture all but died.'

From: E
To:
Date: Tue Nov 13 04:06:48 2001

Message:
above quote
By VIJAY JOSHI Associated Press February 22, 1999 

From: EagleEye
To: Dick Head Fred
Subject: Shut the fuck up already with your meaningless Lennon Drivel you puke
Date: Tue Nov 13 03:54:03 2001

Message:
Revolution

You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out? 

Don't you know it's gonna be
Alright?
Alright?
Alright? 

You say you've got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We are doing what we can
But if you want money for people with minds that hate
All I can tell is, brother, you'll have to wait 

Don't you know it's gonna be
Alright?
Alright?
Alright? 

You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You'd better free your mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao
You ain't gonna' make it with anyone anyhow 

Don't you know it's gonna' be
Alright?
Alright?
Alright?
Alright?
Alright?
Alright? 

From: Everyman
To: Fred
Subject: Get Real
Date: Tue Nov 13 04:11:38 2001

Message:
Revolution 1
(Lennon/McCartney) 
You say you want a revolution
Well you know
we all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be alright
Alright Alright 

You say you got a real solution
Well you know
we'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well you know
We're doing what we can
But when you want money for people with minds that hate
All I can tell you is brother you have to wait
Don't you know it's gonna be alright
Alright Alright 

You say you'll change the constitution
Well you know
we all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well you know
You better free your mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know know it's gonna be alright
Alright Alright 





From: Everyman
To: Eagle Eye
Subject: Syncronicity
Date: Tue Nov 13 04:16:52 2001

Message:
Great minds think alike?

From: Right said fred
To: Eagle Eye
Subject: Funny guy
Date: Tue Nov 13 07:20:44 2001

Message:
Minds most certainly think alike
however
great they most certainly are NOT!

From: Holland/Italy
To:
Subject: Right said Fred and alikes
Date: Tue Nov 13 05:30:42 2001

Message:
Fanatical minds all over the world are the ones we have to be 
afraid of; even those like RsF's, or Ton's: following their 
blind convictions they can sometimes accomplish incredible 
things, but if the hatred could be taken out of it,the mind 
would be left empty. This would be an impossible thing to do 
because there are too many scheming and ferociously plotting 
persons who need these empty containers to be filled up with 
their propaganda. Vice-versa, the hate could be taken out by 
leaving the minds empty, but this could only be done by 
electrical shock-treatment or lobotomy. One of the plotters,of 
course, and a psycopath himself,is OBL. These are the kind of 
people fanatics need to feed on, even if they make your fingers 
itch, I think it is best not to give them any attention. I just 
hope RsF is not a pseudonym of one of the regular posters on 
this board, who uses the same word-style..      

From: Spy
To: Mr. Flintstone
Date: Tue Nov 13 07:31:59 2001

Message:
We now know  your feelings about JLennon---great----
Maybe now we could hear "your feelings" about obl----or are
you strictly a record producer?

From: Right said Fred
To: Everyone
Subject: Every tree has a root
Date: Tue Nov 13 08:20:09 2001

Message:
As you can probably guess by now i tend to lean toward the 
christian faith and the words of Jesus Christ through the 
inspired word of God the "bible" which is what the early pigrim 
fathers based there life on.
However we are now seeing the total undermining of all christian 
values in society today and because of it America is loosing its 
protection by God himself against power crazed boy scouts like 
OBL.
Why does everyone say "God bless america" what God are they 
talking about?
If its the pilgrim fathers Christian God of the bible then how 
can he bless a nation thats turning into moral trash.

This is the reason i first Challenged John about the lyrics 
of "Imagine" because when you look at the words it 
say's "Imagine if there's no heaven. That means that all those 
people who died in WTC are now nothing but bits and peices lying 
in rubble however for those who believe in the bible then we now 
know that these people are in a paradice heaven.
On the ather hand what about those who flew the planes into the 
WTC?
If there is no hell then we must assume that they are at peace 
with eternal knowledge of the fact that they had the privilage 
of causing such terrible pain on a peaceful civilized world.
we need to wake up and find out if God is trying to get us back 
to moral values.

but don't take my word for it, maybe it would seem better coming 
from a man living in NYC himself.

http://www.timessquarechurch.org/wtc/01-nl14.html

From: Justice
To: All
Subject: Is this true?
Date: Tue Nov 13 09:05:07 2001

Message:
Does anybody have any evidence to show this happened?  It is 
probably some Internet joke e-mail but I just wanted to be sure.


> >Fifteen Years Ago -- Somebody Knew:
> >Ollie North '68 prepared us for Osama bin Laden
> >
> >
> >At a  recent University of North Carolina lecture the
> >other day, a video of Oliver North was played. It covered
> >the hearings of the Iran-Contra deals during the Reagan
> >administration.
> >
> >I was only 14 back then but was surprised by this
> >particular clip. There was Ollie in front of God and
> >country getting the third degree.
> >
> >But what he said stunned me.  He was being drilled by some
> >senator I didn't recognize who asked him: "Did you not
> >recently spend close to $60,000 for a home security
> >system?" Oliver replied, "Yes I did, sir."
> >
> >The senator continued, trying to get a laugh out of the
> >audience, "Isn't this just a little excessive?"
> >
> >"No sir," continued Oliver.
> >
> >"No. And why not?"
> >
> >"Because the life of my family and I were threatened."
> >
> >"Threatened?  By who?"
> >
> >"By a terrorist, sir."
> >
> >"Terrorist?  What terrorist could possibly scare you that
> >much?"
> >
> >"His name is Osama bin Laden."
> >
> >At this point. the senator tried to repeat the name, but
> >couldn't pronounce it, which most people back then probably
> >couldn't. A couple of people laughed at the attempt. Then
> >the senator continued. "Why are you so afraid of this man?"
> >
> >"Because, sir, he is the most evil person alive that I
> >know of."
> >
> >"And what do you recommend we do about him?"
> >
> >"If it were me, I would recommend an assassin team be formed
> >to eliminate him and his men from the face of the earth."
> >
> >The senator disagreed with this approach and that was all
> >they showed of the clip.
> >
> >It's scary when you think 15 years ago the government was
> >aware of Osama bin Laden and his potential threat to the
> >security of the world. I guess like all great tyrants they
> >start small but if left untended spread like the virus
> >they truly are.

From: Spy
To: Right said Fred
Date: Tue Nov 13 08:48:35 2001

Message:
You must understand that John has been a soilder on this 
page fighting towards US goals of winning this war .
Your first mistake when you posted was considered an 
attack----had you begain by explaining your position (without 
attack syndrom) you could of probably had a better 
exchange of opinions.
You must also understand that not many(but enough) 
people have heard or understand AC. This is a good thing in 
my opinion. I think the most damage he caused  can still to 
this day be felt in hollywood.
Also--I personally believe in Jesus as my savior---but I'am 
not going to bother beating it into someone--that causes 
way to much harm and I don't think thats the way he wanted 
it.
That seems to be the way of another religion--or at least a 
lot of its leaders.

Now--back to the war.

From: Eli
To:
Date: Sun Sep 30 17:26:34 2001

Message:

From: Eli
To: Taliban
Subject: Hi!!
Date: Tue Nov 13 10:02:46 2001

Message:
cyay in hell

From: allatti2d
To:
Subject: Right Said Fred EXPOSED!
Date: Tue Nov 13 10:40:00 2001

Message:
Yes folks, you saw it here first.  Right Said Fred is obviously 
Pat Robertson visiting this board.

Honestly, I didn't know God was a citizen of any particular 
country or played favorites to any particular government.  God 
has abandoned the U.S.?  Was He ever here?  Does He have a green 
card?  Exsqueeze me, but I think God lives in Individuals, not 
in New York.

From: John
To: wrong "said sick fred"
Subject: I do not need to expose you. You do a good enough job all by yourself.
Date: Tue Nov 13 10:49:46 2001

Message:
A certainty is - YOU ARE TRULY SICK.  ..Nough said.  It is but 
the insane who cannot see their insanity. 

It appears Pat Buchanon has assisted in feeding you your sick 
Fundamentalist viewpoint.

Buchanon exposed himself for all the world to see with those 
same words.  He was rebuked.  He recanted and apologized.  
You're still of that sick mindset.  I do not need to expose 
you.  You do a good enough job all by yourself.

John
E...

From: John
To: allatti2d
Date: Tue Nov 13 11:39:36 2001

Message:
Hi!

From: John
To: ALL except Right said fred and UK Voices
Subject: transcript of comments from the
Date: Tue Nov 13 11:45:28 2001

Message:
In case you missed what was said by Buchanon and Robertson on 
Sept. 13th...

This is the expressed viewpoint of "wrong said sick fred."

*********

Partial transcript of comments from the
Thursday, September 13, 2001 edition of the "700 Club"
JERRY FALWELL: And I agree totally with you that the Lord has 
protected us so wonderfully these 225 years. And since 1812, 
this is the first time that we've been attacked on our soil and 
by far the worst results. And I fear, as Donald Rumsfeld, the 
Secretary of Defense, said yesterday, that this is only the 
beginning. And with biological warfare available to these 
monsters - the Husseins, the Bin Ladens, the Arafats - what we 
saw on Tuesday, as terrible as it is, could be miniscule if, in 
fact - if, in fact - God continues to lift the curtain and allow 
the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve. 

PAT ROBERTSON: Jerry, that's my feeling. I think we've just seen 
the antechamber to terror. We haven't even begun to see what 
they can do to the major population. 

JERRY FALWELL: The ACLU's got to take a lot of blame for this. 

PAT ROBERTSON: Well, yes. 

JERRY FALWELL: And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. 
But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal 
court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the 
schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this 
because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million 
little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that 
the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the 
gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an 
alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way - 
all of them who have tried to secularize America - I point the 
finger in their face and say "you helped this happen." 

PAT ROBERTSON: Well, I totally concur, and the problem is we 
have adopted that agenda at the highest levels of our 
government. And so we're responsible as a free society for what 
the top people do. And, the top people, of course, is the court 
system. 

JERRY FALWELL: Pat, did you notice yesterday the ACLU, and all 
the Christ-haters, People For the American Way, NOW, etc. were 
totally disregarded by the Democrats and the Republicans in both 
houses of Congress as they went out on the steps and called out 
on to God in prayer and sang "God Bless America" and said "let 
the ACLU be hanged"? In other words, when the nation is on its 
knees, the only normal and natural and spiritual thing to do is 
what we ought to be doing all the time - calling upon God. 

PAT ROBERTSON: Amen 



From: EagleEye
To: Palastinian sympathisers
Subject: Like the and disputes ... who threw the first stone?
Date: Tue Nov 13 11:51:29 2001

Message:
http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/11/13/berlin.disco/index.htm
l

"BERLIN, Germany -- A court has jailed four defendants for the 
bombing 15 years ago of a West Berlin discotheque that killed 
two U.S. soldiers and a Turkish woman. 

A Libyan diplomat and two Palestinians were convicted of aiding 
in murder, while one of the Palestinians' former German wife was 
convicted of murder. They were given sentences of 12 to 14 years 
in prison." 

How bout the bitch gets a public execution Taliban style? 12-14 
years for murder and or aiding a murder as atrocious as this - I 
thought the Germans had some cajones?  Oh wait .. I forgot, it 
was just a 2 worthless american soldiers.  Guess I begin to 
undertsand how Italian guy feels.


From: Justice
To: Spy, Eagle Eye, John, etc.....
Subject: Radical muslim life
Date: Tue Nov 13 14:44:57 2001

Message:
Subject: why RADICAL muslim life sucks

>  Why are radical Muslim terrorists so quick to commit suicide?
> 
>  Let's look at their lifestyle:
> 
>  No premarital sex.
> 
>  No oral sex.  Giving or receiving.  Never.
> 
>  No booze.  None.
> 
>  No TV.  No cable TV.
> 
>  No Spice channel.  No Playboy channel.
> 
>  No Hooters. "What is this Hooters of which you speak ?!?"
> 
>  No titty bars.
> 
>  No organized sports of any kind.  That's right -- no sports.
> 
>  The women have to wear baggy dresses and veil's.  Women have 
to cover up
>  everything!
> 
>  Very, very, very few cars.  Camels.  Many camels.
> 
>  Sand.  Fucking sand everywhere!
> 
>  More sand.
> 
>  Ever fish at an oasis?
> 
>  Rags for clothes and hats.
> 
>  Bar-B-Q's are cooked over burning camel dung chips.
> 
>  Eating with your right hand only -- because you wipe your ass 
with your
> left  hand.
> 
>  Constant wailing from the asshole next door ... no wait, is 
that music?
>  Shit!  I can't tell.
> 
>  Oh, by the way, when you die it all gets better!

From: Right said Fred
To: any whoever care's to take interest.
Subject: Humanist's, neither hot nor cold
Date: Tue Nov 13 14:19:22 2001

Message:
I hear your words Spy and i understand what you mean, this place 
is where people give their points of veiw over the current 
terorist crisis, i looked at peoples oppinions and was not going 
to leave any comments at all myself, i see now i made a mistake 
by challenging someones viewpoint on a candidate put forward for 
someone who we should admire and look up to. This was probably 
not the place for that. I did attack because normally it gets 
through to people better that way ha ha ha ha ha !! You know 
what they say "attack is the best form of defence". John is not 
a bad guy, he's certainly a 100% humanist like Lennon, he was so 
much fun to wind up as well hahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!
I must admit sometimes i did find it hard to be serious with him 
giggle. ho hum.
Well i guess i'll be heading out never to return with a 
rapturous aplause from those who want to see the back of me :o)

I'll leave you folks to sit and smoke dope listening to the 
stones beatles and lennon chatting about current depressing 
affairs.
I got news for you though, it gets worse.

If you believe the bible then you'll know whats coming upon the 
earth, because of peoples stubbon hearts.

Romans 1:18-32 18  The wrath of God is being revealed from 
heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who 
suppress the truth by their wickedness,
19  since what may be known about God is plain to them, because 
God has made it plain to them.
20  For since the creation of the world God s invisible 
qualities his eternal power and divine nature have been clearly 
seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are 
without excuse.
21  For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as 
God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and 
their foolish hearts were darkened. John?
22  Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools  John?
23  and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made 
to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
24  Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their 
hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with 
one another.
25  They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped 
and served created things rather than the Creator who is for 
ever praised. Amen.
26  Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even 
their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.
27  In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations 
with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men 
committed indecent acts with other men, and received in 
themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
28  Furthermore, since they did not think it worth while to 
retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved 
mind, to do what ought not to be done.
29  They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, 
greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, 
deceit and malice. They are gossips,
30  slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; 
they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;
31  they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
32  Although they know God s righteous decree that those who do 
such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these 
very things but also approve of those who practise them.

Pat Robertson is a humble Godly man.
Shame on you 

time to leave 
its been fun
keep watching CNN because it gets a hell of a lot worse.

Save yourselves from this wicked and adulterous generation.

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and 
only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have 
eternal life.

Its your choice?






From: EagleEye
To: John / Justice / USA
Subject: Bloomberg defection?
Date: Tue Nov 13 15:30:14 2001

Message:
I only caught a sound byte ... but am I to understand your boy 
Bloomberg may have sold out?  What say ye?  Oiiiyyy vay!

From: U.K.Citizen
To: John
Subject: RsF A parting shot....
Date: Tue Nov 13 15:43:49 2001

Message:
Right said Fred are an English pop group who's name is derived 
from a song title from 30 or so years ago. 'Right said Fred' 
went on to have a couple of hit songs over here and in Europe.

The group,'Right said Fred' are widely known to be gay, which in 
regard to verse 27 I thought had a little ironic humour in 
it....an irony sadly lost on our departing friend. 

From: Ashraf
To: Eagle-Eye..
Subject: ...
Date: Tue Nov 13 16:51:35 2001

Message:
Thanx for worrying about me.. but dont worry.. I have a laptop..

Peace..

From: reader
To: ESD
Date: Tue Nov 13 19:17:43 2001

Message:
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From: EagleEye
To: John/UK Citizen
Subject: .. very interesting ....... RSF
Date: Tue Nov 13 19:17:40 2001

Message:
... aint it .... How our boy RSF sounds so very UK Vomit - 
esque?  A gay Euro pop band is his handle .... a town known of 
extreme gay pursuasion is where our UK Vomit hails his USA 
experiences, oh and lest we not forget his IT prowess.

it makes ya kinda wonder dont it - not to mention the Aleister 
Crowley infatuations.

Its all very 5 dimensionally dimented

From: Justice
To: Right Said Fred
Date: Tue Nov 13 19:20:09 2001

Message:
RSF, you just once again proved my theory that religion breeds 
hate in some form or another.  You are a weak willed person that 
follows an authority that you have never met and who can never 
truly answer you when you talk to yourself.  You hate Muslims, 
Gays, Agnostics, Anarchists, and pretty much anyone else who 
doesn't go word for word of the "good book" as you call it.  You 
have much hate in your heart and it will lead you to a life of 
loneliness and hopelessness.  Prepare to go through life without 
any fun or experiencing any of the joys that makes us human.

From: Justice USA
To: Just Right Fred
Subject: FUCK OFF!
Date: Tue Nov 13 19:27:27 2001

Message:
DROP DEAD FRED!

From: America
To: All Terrorists
Subject: Ha, Ha!!!!!!!!
Date: Tue Nov 13 19:35:26 2001

Message:
As I said on the Board 2 weeks ago.  The decision has been 
made.  The Tiaban and Bin Laden are now routed!!!!!  The B-52s 
and our superior strenght with the help of the Northern 
Alliance.  The Tialban has been SOUNDLY DEFEATED AND IN FULL 
RETREAT.  BIN LADEN----OUR SPECIAL FORCES ARE WITHIN PROBABLY A 
FEW MILES OF YOU.  YOU SURPRISED ATTACKED THE USA AND NOW YOU 
ARE PAYING THE PRICE WE PROMISED!!!! JUST LIKE THE JAPENSE IN 
WWII.  Oh, Saddam, are you watching???  Your next!!!!   WE WILL 
NOW FINISH THE JOB!!!!   GOD BLESS AMERICA AND THE FREED AFGAN 
PEOPLE.

From: EagleEye
To: reader/ESD
Subject: clarity?
Date: Tue Nov 13 19:45:57 2001

Message:
The above domains ....?

Common owner of this domain as well .. or .....some other 
relevance? 

From: EagleEye
To: Taliban
Subject: ....dont you dare plead for the Geneva Convention rules to apply.
Date: Tue Nov 13 20:13:47 2001

Message:
US groundtroops and Spec Forces need to be let loose to unleash 
hell on the remaining Arabs/Al-Quda/Taliban who wish to be 
martyr'd - if for no other reason to send a clear and conscise 
message - dont fuck with US.  We'll show you how "soft" a .50 
caliber slug feels entering your dome.

The mighty towel e go baaaam! pullleeeeeeez.  Looking more like 
Branch Dividians ......

From: Missin'
To: RightSaidFred
Subject: Romans
Date: Tue Nov 13 19:43:26 2001

Message:
Dear Fred,
Why did you feel that Paul's Letter to the Romans, pertaining to 
the sinfulness of their time was relevant in today's world?  The 
Romans believed that Christ was psychotic...that his teachings 
were heresy.  Paul did not write that letter to modern day 
Christians.  And Pat Robertson will be judged by Christ himself 
for his bigotry and hatred and his falsity in presenting himself 
as a Christian, and a leader of Christians.  I choose not to 
follow...thanks anyway.  I'll follow Christ instead.  His 
message was much easier...Love one another as you love yourself.

From: Missin'
To: Justice
Subject: RSF
Date: Tue Nov 13 20:24:45 2001

Message:
Justice,
RSF doesn't represent Christians any more than bin Laden 
represents Muslims.  He's just a hate monger looking for a 
respectable shield. Please don't think that the majority are 
like him..we aren't.
Missin'

From: theE.S.D.
To:
Subject: InTheNews
Date: Tue Nov 13 21:11:10 2001

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11/13/2001 : "No attack on Iraq seen before Afghan war 
over"  

Lining up Iraq in the cross-hairs of a global war on terrorism 
excites those who regret the U.S. failure to rid the world of 
Saddam Hussein in the 1991 Gulf War.

But many of the pitfalls which plagued earlier American 
efforts to engineer the removal of the Iraqi leader persist, 
even in a world changed by the carnage of September 11.

While the heated debate in Washington on whether to 
extend military action to Iraq jangles nerves in Europe and 
the Middle East, it is unlikely to be resolved until the war on 
the Taliban in Afghanistan is concluded, analysts and Iraqi 
dissidents say.

"Now the Americans are trying not to provoke Saddam 
because they are concentrating on Osama bin Laden and 
Afghanistan," Hamid al-Bayati, London-based 
representative of the Supreme Council for Islamic 
Revolution in Iraq, told Reuters.

"They don't want to open another conflict in another area," he 
said, adding that Washington did not want to alarm Arab 
states in its anti-terror alliance by picking a fight with Iraq.

Many Arab and Muslim coalition partners, sensitive to public 
opinion at home, contrast Washington's harrying of Iraq with 
perceived U.S. tolerance for Israeli repression of 
Palestinians.

Hawks within President George W. Bush's administration, 
urged on by prominent right-wing columnists, are 
demanding that the United States abandon its 
long-standing policy of containing Saddam in favour of a 
forceful effort to overthrow him.

Eager to link Iraq with bin Laden's al-Qaeda network, they 
point to reported contacts between Mohamed Atta, a 
suspect in the September 11 attacks, and an Iraqi 
intelligence agent.


IRAQ BRACED FOR ATTACK

Iraq, which has denied the reports, accuses the United 
States and Britain of preparing to attack it in the name of the 
war on terrorism. "It is just a matter of time," Deputy Prime 
Minister Tareq Aziz was quoted as saying last month.

U.S. and British leaders have so far insisted they have no 
evidence to link Iraq directly either to the September 11 
assaults or to later anthrax attacks in the United States.

U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell told an Egyptian 
audience on Tuesday there were no plans "at the moment" 
to undertake any other military action beyond Afghanistan.

But the next day he said that "nations such as Iraq, which 
have tried to pursue weapons of mass destruction, should 
not think that we...will not turn our attention to them".

British Prime Minister Tony Blair, reflecting wider European 
unease about striking Iraq, has said no state beyond 
Afghanistan would be hit without "absolute evidence" tying it 
to terrorism.

Powell did not spell out what the United States planned to 
do about Iraq, still chafing under strict United Nations 
sanctions imposed for its 1990 invasion of Kuwait.

It is unclear whether Iraq has used the three years since it 
expelled U.N. arms inspectors to rebuild its weapons 
programmes.

Many assume that Saddam will have used the opportunity, 
and illicit revenue of up to $2 billion a year, to revive his drive 
for an arsenal of missiles and weapons of mass 
destruction.

But some commentators voice doubts. "It is not an issue for 
the regime to rebuild these weapons because it will lead to 
a punitive attack by the West," said London-based analyst 
Mustafa Alani. "Saddam wants to survive."

Shahram Chubin, director of the Geneva Centre for Security 
Policy, said Iraq might have considered using terrorism to 
hit back at the West after the Gulf War, but evidence was 
thin. 

"There is no sign Iraq has done anything egregious, though 
they may have done and we don't know about it," he said.

MODIFIED SANCTIONS

Chubin said he expected the United States and Britain to 
attempt to revive their proposal for "smart" sanctions, which 
would lift restraints on the import of civilian goods to Iraq 
and seek to choke off the smuggling of oil and other goods.

Prospects for putting such a resolution to a vote before the 
present phase of Iraq's U.N.-run oil-for-food programme 
expires on November 30 are receding. Russia, which 
threatened to veto "smart" sanctions earlier this year, has 
yet to change its mind.

"I think the oil-for-food programme will be rolled over for 
another six months," one U.N. official said.

The dilemma for Washington is that existing sanctions have 
failed to loosen Saddam's grip on power; "smart" sanctions 
would require reluctant neighbours to halt profitable 
dealings with Iraq; and an all-out bid to oust Saddam by 
military means could prove to be an enormous undertaking 
fraught with risk.

David Mack, a senior State Department official during the 
Gulf War, described U.S. policy towards Iraq as the "tattered 
remnants" of containment. "Smart" sanctions would not 
solve what he said was Iraq's sponsorship of terrorism and 
its ambitions to acquire weapons of mass destruction.

But hawks who presented toppling Saddam as a simple 
task showed "wilful ignorance", given his "genius" at internal 
control and Washington's need to sustain an anti-terror 
alliance, Mack told London's Royal Institute of International 
Affairs.

He proposed that the United States and its allies should 
now promise to work with any post-Saddam government 
that would cooperate with U.N. weapons inspections in 
return for a package to include an end to sanctions, 
suspension of reparations payments, debt relief and 
support for reconstruction.

source: alertnet 





From: theE.S.D.
To: Eagel Eye
Subject: ReligiousSection
Date: Tue Nov 13 21:25:55 2001

Message:
http://www.alummah.net/

From: Justice
To: Missin'
Subject: RSF
Date: Tue Nov 13 21:56:40 2001

Message:
I know he doesn't represent the whole Missin'.  People like him 
that scorn others for not following his faith just irk me 
sometimes.  I believe to each his own, but not when you bash 
other ethnic groups or people who choose to live their lives 
like they want.  He is just diluted.

From: Missin'
To: Justice
Subject: RSF
Date: Tue Nov 13 22:27:30 2001

Message:
I bet he even thinks Jesus was a white man, instead of Middle-
Eastern...what do you think?

By the way, I heard there was dancing in the streets of Kabul 
last night!  Sounded like a heck of a party!

From: Justice
To: Missin'
Subject: RSF
Date: Tue Nov 13 23:01:00 2001

Message:
Jesus can be whatever color or race you believe him to be.  I am 
glad the citizens of Kabul are relieved to be out of Taliban 
control.  I saw a photo on CNN that showed a line at the local 
barber shop to get their beards shaved.  Women were supposedly 
taking off their veils.  I think they were a little fed up with 
the Taliban's strict interpretation of the Koran.

From: EagleEye
To: right upside the head ......
Subject: If this dont bust your gaskets ....
Date: Tue Nov 13 22:43:28 2001

Message:
http://www.alummah.net/english/isra.htm

ESD - many thanks  ..... and peace be upon him, yada yada 
yada .....

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