I have news that will shake the foundation of an american 
tradition. Burger King's tacos are better that Taco Bell's!

First off please excuse delayed replies, not always easy to find 
the time.

In reference to your reply, I read with some amusement your 
observations on old and persistant British internal rivalries. 
Sporting occasions certainly bring these to the surface, such 
events are substitutes for war which was probably why they were 
created. Nothing makes a Scot, Irishman or in indeed a Welshman 
happier than when they beat an English team,....nothing. They 
could come last in a tournament but if they happen to beat 
England along the way...to them, their job is done. By the way, 
were the words, paddy, taffy and jock amongst others, used on 
that other board you mentioned? Moving on swiftly...

I of course do agree, people must move on in their lives, but 
just to say the reason for my last post to you was simply to set 
the scene as it were. The great thing about this board and 
possibly others is that it's totally uncensored, whilst being 
available to all. People say technology brings with it as many 
ills as it does benefits, but one clear benefit is that people 
wherever they are can communicate directly with one another in 
an instant, making a nonsense of international boundaries. That 
may well be one of humanity's saviours in the long run, the fact 
that official bodies are circumvented so that people can 
communicate unhindered. My view on joining this board was that 
if people cannot connect emotionaly or intellectually on certain 
levels here, then we cannot blame our politicians that we elect 
to supposedly act on our behalf, for failing to do so either. I 
know you realise how important developments like this are.

As you say, hatred is passed on from generation to generation in 
various societies, especially in the middle-east. A well-known 
Scottish comedian over here noted the sectarian 
catholic/protestant rivalries he experianced that were 'handed 
down' through the years in his own country as being a 'disease'. 
That's one way of terming hatred, I guess. I don't care to take 
sides on the middle-east issue for instance, both sides in my 
opinion are quite happy to get everybody else involved in their 
dispute also. That's certainly one invitation I'd decline. That 
also goes goes for the so-called real I.R.A. who plant bombs in 
England to try to drag us all back into the fray.

The Bigger Picture.

I remember reading a rather cheerful post of yours talking about 
volcanoes and the reversal of the earth's polarity. I do recall  
watching a programme on that, stating that should it happen, 
every single device with an electrical circuit in existance 
would sieze to function. Not a nice prospect, that's quite apart 
from asteriod impact, gigantic basalt eruptions (which is one 
theory as to why the dinsonaurs may have died out), a switching 
off of the earth's oceanic conveyer, which may as one example, 
plunge Europe into an early ice-age. One could go on and on, but 
the point being people should be getting their priorities right. 
Humanity to this point has not been very good at planning ahead, 
we're all happy to take insurance out on our homes and vehicles, 
but collectively we haven't taken an insurance policy out on the 
planet as a whole. Fortunately there are still enough people 
with foresight who even when Sept 11 had occured were still 
planning the Mars missions for example. If anything at all comes 
out of that particular endeavour it'll surely be to teach us all 
to appreciate what we already have.

Violent natural events puts man's efforts into their true 
persprective. Even with the best personnel and rescue aircraft 
available there are limits as to what can be done to rescue 
those lost in stormy seas for instance. Already Britain is 
bracing itself for more frequent flooding to occur annualy due 
to climate change, and there's abolutely nothing that can be 
done to prevent or stop it now. These are the true challenges 
that face us all. Maybe too many people are frightened to face 
such challenges, pretend they'll go away, and just fight each 
other instead to take their minds off the prospect.

Maybe you'll agree, there has to be something that unifies, for 
a nation state it's a flag, a point clearly made at this years 
Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City. Globaly, I don't think 
religion in it's present forms will unite people from different 
nations. It may do regionaly, but not globally. Besides basic 
shared moral values, our environment and humanities relation to 
it is a common theme. We all have a vested interest in it, and 
it's well-being. Remember your 'buy stocks America' post. Well, 
a couple of years ago I put my money where my mouth is and 
placed investment capital into Environmental portfolios, ie; 
companies which had a clear and sympathetic policies with 
regards to the environment. I hope over time more and more 
companies follow suit. It was interesting that people in the 
weeks following Sept 11, wanted to escape from modern life for a 
while and get back to nature, go camping, fishing and the like. 
It was a form of sanctuary they felt could be relied upon to 
regenerate in some way. I know North America has some 
spectacular scenary, I've seen some of it first hand. You'll 
have to clarify as to whether your linking of druidic ideas and 
the environment constitutes itself as a belief system. I'd 
certainly advocate environmental awareness as a common unifying 
theme, but it's probably horses for courses as to how 
environmental concern is expressed in different countries. 
Modern life has almost completely divorced us from nature, Red 
Indians know it's true worth more than most as I'm sure you're 
aware. As you probably know many have turned their backs on 
organised religion as they feel it no longer reflects their 
lifestyle, aspirations or concerns.

It's interesting to observe how someone such as yourself can 
combine an awareness of nature with your profession, ie; gas 
guzzling super-bikes. Some, not me!..would say that's somewhat 
of a contradiction. I'd however say that 'balance' is the key. 
To have a deeply held belief in nature and it's connection to 
humanity, it naturally follows suit that any practitioner would 
therefore be assumed have to have a sandle-wearing hippy 
treehouse dweller lifestyle, in order not be a total hypocrite. 
I'd be rather curious as to your thoughts on that particular 
issue.:)

Not to venture down the spiritual avenue too much, there are 
many paths to get to the same goal, whatever we want that goal 
to be. To be a little more complete as a person, some study 
theology in great depth, some have deeply held religious beliefs 
and study to enhance such beliefs, others study martial arts to 
their highest degree which requires great self discipline and 
self awareness. Even those in specialist military units such as 
the S.A.S. and Navy Seals endure tests that push a person's 
character to its limits and beyond and in doing so, those who 
persevere loose any outward aggression because they have little 
left to proove either to themselves or to others. To use use a 
corny term they have 'mastered themselves'. In the end, that's 
the only battle worth fighting, all other supposedly important 
battles in life are won by default and without even realising 
it. Heavy stuff huh....

Don't know how much of the above relates to Sept 11, but it's 
interesting to talk about such things, every now and again. Most 
of the above was in broad reference to your reply to Friendly 
Arab. I'll try to to reply to your 'Solutions' post at some 
point, time allowing.                 

In a real short version, My Artistic endeavors are at this time 
a result of circumstance and passion. Having ridden since the 
age of 9 I have put over 100,000 miles behind me on street and 
dirt bikes. And as a woman in New York put it "it takes a golden 
hand". As a bloodline artist and a Mechanic, these simply came 
together as a good way to have a home-based business while I 
raise my son. 
  Personally Ecology is important, but moderation has always 
proven a better vehicle than any one direction. If I can save 
gas riding my bike vs. my truck. I do. And as I said before, 
riding is in my blood just like my art, so it goes. 
  During the last harmonic convergence, there were no electronic 
devices. So exactly what will happen is conjecture. But some 
very real assessments have been made, so I am planning to have a 
plot of high ground in up state New York as a summer home, 
should I need it. It is a place of complete natural beauty, on 
top of bald mountain just a mile from the Appalachian Trail. A 
small cabin sitting on a Lay line (if you are know what that is) 
with a spring fed pond right in front of it. The cabin overlooks 
a valley where the fog rolls through most mornings and the Dear 
dance in the fields every dusk. 
  As things progress I can certainly work on the convergence 
issue, seems the rest of this Islam mess is going to follow its 
course, as those head set on hate will die of it. One way or 
another, they give themselves no alternative. 
              Well on to my work
                Merlyn

http://www.cbsnews.com/now/story/0,1597,328802-412,00.shtml

 U.S. Set To Round Up Mideast Illegals 

Crackdown On Men Ignoring Deportation Orders To Begin Next Week 

There are an estimated 314,000 foreign nationals in the United 
States who have ignored deportation orders. The officials said 
the efforts will focus first on about 6,000 immigrants from 
countries that have harbored members of Osama bin Laden's al 
Qaeda network. 

Well have to send them back! like a bad gift at Christmas! Ha! 
on the love boat! Think...that is 314,000 jobs! We rightfully 
need here in our country. Perhapse we could make them use the 
money they earn to pay the love boat when they go! They can cry 
me a river!

"Is it a profiling? Of course it is," said James Zogby, 
president of the Arab American Institute. "Is it an effective 
law enforcement tool to deal with terrorism? Of course it's 
not." 


But of course Caucasion amercians in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and 
other such GOD forsaken lands arent profiled are they?  Surely 
they receive equal protection under the laws of those lawless 
lands.

Pffffftttt

Good to see you peeps keeping the board up to date!

i was behind the whole 911 thing
but no one swa me do it 
so ya cant prove nuthin
http://www.copvcia.com/free/ww3/01_25_02_vreeland.html

"They STARTED it!"

"Near Srinigar in the Happy Valley of Kashmir we find 
the legend of an extraordinary saint known to the Buddhists as 
St. Issa," says the monk. "Events in the life of Issa closely 
resemble that of Jesus Christ, revealing what are thought to be 
the lost years of our Lord." 

        
During his investigation of this "marvelous country," Notovitch 
learned that there existed in the library at Lhasa ancient 
records of the life of Jesus Christ. In the course of a visit to 
the great convent Himis, he located a Tibetan translation of the 
legend and carefully noted in his carnet de voyage over two 
hundred verses from the curious document known as "The Life of 
St. Issa." 

The legend recorded by Dr. Notovitch appears to be a collection 
of eyewitness accounts, a book of tales told by indigenous 
merchants arriving from Palestine where they had happened to be 
on business during the controversial execution of a man known as 
the "king of the Jews." This type of word-of-mouth news service 
is still popular in the fantastic bazaars of Calcutta and 
Bombay. 

        One of the narratives tells of an Israelite by the name 
of Issa, "blessed by God and the best of all," who was put to 
death by Pontius Pilate, the governor of Judea. Another detailed 
account traces the lineage of Issa and closely parallels 
Matthew's scrupulous chapter-one genealogy of Jesus Christ. 

        


        The earth has trembled and the heavens have wept because 
of a great crime which has been committed in the land of Israel. 

        For they have tortured and there put to death the great 
and just Issa, in whom dwelt the soul of the universe, 

        Which was incarnate in a simple mortal in order to do 
good to men and to exterminate their evil thoughts 

        And in order to bring back man degraded by his sins to a 
life of peace, love, and happiness and to recall to him the one 
and indivisible Creator, whose mercy is infinite and without 
bounds.... 

        At this time came the moment when the all-merciful Judge 
elected to become incarnate in a human being. 

        And the Eternal Spirit, dwelling in a state of complete 
inaction and of supreme beatitude, awoke and detached itself for 
an indefinite period from the Eternal Being, 

        So as to show forth in the guise of humanity the means 
of self-identification with Divinity and of attaining to eternal 
felicity, 

        And to demonstrate by example how man may attain moral 
purity and, by separating his soul from its mortal coil, the 
degree of perfection necessary to enter into the kingdom of 
heaven, which is unchangeable and where happiness reigns 
eternal. 

        Soon after, a marvelous child was born in the land of 
Israel, God himself speaking by the mouth of this infant of the 
frailty of the body and the grandeur of the soul. 

        The parents of the newborn child were poor people, 
belonging by birth to a family of noted piety, who, forgetting 
their ancient grandeur on earth, praised the name of the Creator 
and thanked him for the ills with which he saw fit to prove 
them. 

        To reward them for not turning aside from the way of 
truth, God blessed the firstborn of this family. He chose him 
for his elect and sent him to help those who had fallen into 
evil and to cure those who suffered. 

        The divine child, to whom was given the name of Issa, 
began from his earliest years to speak of the one and 
indivisible God, exhorting the souls of those gone astray to 
repentance and the purification of the sins of which they were 
culpable. 

        People came from all parts to hear him, and they 
marveled at the discourses proceeding from his childish mouth. 
All the Israelites were of one accord in saying that the Eternal 
Spirit dwelt in this child. 

        When Issa had attained the age of thirteen years, the 
epoch when an Israelite should take a wife, 

        The house where his parents earned their living by 
carrying on a modest trade began to be a place of meeting for 
rich and noble people, desirous of having for son-in-law the 
young Issa, already famous for his edifying discourses in the 
name of the Almighty. 

        Then it was that Issa left the parental house in secret, 
departed from Jerusalem, and with the merchants set out towards 
Sind, 

        With the object of perfecting himself in the Divine Word 
and of studying the laws of the great Buddhas.
 
    
According to the legend, Issa left his father's house secretly 
at age thirteen. He joined a merchant caravan and arrived in 
India "this side of the Sind" sometime during his fourteenth 
year. 

        Young Issa, the Blessed One, traveled south to Gujarat, 
through the country of the five streams and Rajputana, then on 
to the holy cities of Jagannath and Benares where Brahman 
priests taught him Vedic scripture. 

        Issa continued north into the Himalayas and settled in 
the country of the Gautamides, followers of the Buddha Gautama, 
where for six years he applied himself to the study of the 
sacred sutras. He left India in his twenty-sixth year, traveling 
to Persepolis, to Athens, to Alexandria. 

        Issa was twenty-nine when he returned to Israel--and 
reentered the familiar gospel of St. Luke, chapter three. His 
baptism by John in the river Jordan. 

        
... He passed his time in several ancient cities of India such 
as Benares. All loved him because Issa dwelt in peace with 
Vaishas and Shudras whom he instructed and helped. But the 
Brahmins and Kshatriyas told him that Brahma forbade those to 
approach who were created out of his womb and feet. The Vaishas 
were allowed to listen to the Vedas only on holidays and the 
Shudras were forbidden not only to be present at the reading of 
the Vedas, but could not even look at them. 

        Issa said that man had filled the temples with his 
abominations. In order to pay homage to metals and stones, man 
sacrificed his fellows in whom dwells a spark of the Supreme 
Spirit. Man demeans those who labor by the sweat of their brows, 
in order to gain the good will of the sluggard who sits at the 
lavishly set board. But they who deprive their brothers of the 
common blessing shall be themselves stripped of it. 

        Vaishas and Shudras were struck with astonishment and 
asked what they could perform. Issa bade them "Worship not the 
idols. Do not consider yourself first. Do not humiliate your 
neighbor. Help the poor. Sustain the feeble. Do evil to no one. 
Do not covet that which you do not possess and which is 
possessed by others." 

        Many, learning of such words, decided to kill Issa. But 
Issa, forewarned, departed from this place by night. 

        Afterward, Issa went into Nepal and into the Himalayan 
mountains .... 

        "Well, perform for us a miracle," demanded the servitors 
of the Temple. Then Issa replied to them: "Miracles made their 
appearance from the very day when the world was created. He who 
cannot behold them is deprived of the greatest gift of life. But 
woe to you, enemies of men, woe unto you, if you await that He 
should attest his power by miracle." 

        Issa taught that men should not strive to behold the 
Eternal Spirit with one's own eyes but to feel it with the 
heart, and to become a pure and worthy soul.... 

        "Not only shall you not make human offerings, but you 
must not slaughter animals, because all is given for the use of 
man. Do not steal the goods of others, because that would be 
usurpation from your near one. Do not cheat, that you may in 
turn not be cheated .... 

        "Beware, ye, who divert men from the true path and who 
fill the people with superstitions and prejudices, who blind the 
vision of the seeing ones, and who preach subservience to 
material things. "... 

        Then Pilate, ruler of Jerusalem, gave orders to lay 
hands upon the preacher Issa and to deliver him to the judges, 
without however, arousing the displeasure of the people. 

        But Issa taught: "Do not seek straight paths in 
darkness, possessed by fear. But gather force and support each 
other. He who supports his neighbor strengthens himself 

        "I tried to revive the laws of Moses in the hearts of 
the people. And I say unto you that you do not understand their 
true meaning because they do not teach revenge but forgiveness. 
But the meaning of these laws is distorted." 

        Then the ruler sent to Issa his disguised servants that 
they should watch his actions and report to him about his words 
to the people. 

        "Thou just man, "said the disguised servant of the ruler 
of Jerusalem approaching Issa, "Teach us, should we fulfill the 
will of Caesar or await the approaching deliverance?" 

        But Issa, recognizing the disguised servants, said, "I 
did not foretell unto you that you would be delivered from 
Caesar; but I said that the soul which was immersed in sin would 
be delivered from sin." 

        At this time, an old woman approached the crowd, but was 
pushed back. Then Issa said, "Reverence Woman, mother of the 
universe,' in her lies the truth of creation. She is the 
foundation of all that is good and beautiful. She is the source 
of life and death. Upon her depends the existence of man, 
because she is the sustenance of his labors. She gives birth to 
you in travail, she watches over your growth. Bless her. Honor 
her. Defend her. Love your wives and honor them, because 
tomorrow they shall be mothers, and later-progenitors of a whole 
race. Their love ennobles man, soothes the embittered heart and 
tames the beast. Wife and mother-they are the adornments of the 
universe." 

        "As light divides itself from darkness, so does woman 
possess the gift to divide in man good intent from the thought 
of evil. Your best thoughts must belong to woman. Gather from 
them your moral strength, which you must possess to sustain your 
near ones. Do not humiliate her, for therein you will humiliate 
yourselves. And all which you will do to mother, to wife, to 
widow or to another woman in sorrow-that shall you also do for 
the Spirit." 

        So taught Issa; but the ruler Pilate ordered one of his 
servants to make accusation against him. 

        Said Issa: "Not far hence is the time when by the 
Highest Will the people will become purified and united into one 
family." 

        And then turning to the ruler, he said, "Why demean thy 
dignity and teach thy subordinates to live in deceit when even 
without this thou couldst also have had the means of accusing an 
innocent one?" 

        From another version of the legend, Roerich quotes 
fragments of thought and evidence of the miraculous. 

        Near Lhasa was a temple of teaching with a wealth of 
manuscripts. Jesus was to acquaint himself with them. Meng-ste, 
a great sage of all the East, was in this temple. 

        Finally Jesus reached a mountain pass and in the chief 
city of Ladak, Leh, he was joyously accepted by monks and people 
of the lower class .... And Jesus taught in the monasteries and 
in the bazaars (the market places); wherever the simple people 
gathered--there he taught. 

        Not far from this place lived a woman whose son had died 
and she brought him to Jesus. And in the presence of a 
multitude, Jesus laid his hand on the child, and the child rose 
healed. And many brought their children and Jesus laid his hands 
upon them, healing them. 

        Among the Ladakis, Jesus passed many days, teaching 
them. And they loved him and when the time of his departure came 
they sorrowed as children. 

"And for their saying: we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of 
Mary, Messenger of Allah, and they killed him not, nor did they 
cause his death upon the cross, but he was made to appear to 
them as such. 
And certainly those who differ therein are in doubt about it. 
They have no knowledge about it but only follow a conjecture; 
and they did not kill him for certain: Nay, Allah exhalted him 
in his presence. 
And Allah is ever mighty and wise." 
- Quran, Al Nisa 4, 157-158 For a translation see Ali, Maulana 
Muhammad, translation and commentary, 
The Holy Quran - Arabic Text, Lahore, 1951 pp230-232. 

In all we see, Jesus did not die and his life among men was the 
definition of Gods will. By all accounts, Quran & Biblical. 
      With such understanding of social structure and the need 
for it to support family and womens role in it... does it not 
define the Taliban as Infidel?
         Merlyn 

Further; the five rivers of wisdom and the well of segail is a 
thread woven in Celtic mythos some 2000 years before Christ. 

http://www.proaxis.com/~deardorj/index.htm

"Behold the angel said: O Mary! Allah (God) gives you glad
tidings of a Word from Him, his name will be Messiah Jesus the
son of Mary, held in honor in this world and in the hereafter
and of the company of those nearest to Allah (God)  Quran 3:45 

Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary by a special command of Allah
(God). That command was BE, the same command given at the time of
the creation of Adam and Eve. Having conceived by the command BE,
Mary withdrew from her people to a remote place, a place of
privacy (for prayers and devotion). When she felt the time had
come to give birth, she sought refuge in an obscure place under
a palm tree where the birth of her son took place.

The voice of the angel called out to her, "Grieve not nor fear,
God has provided a stream of water for you. Shake towards 
yourself
the trunk of the palm tree; let fresh ripe dates fall upon you.
So eat and drink and cool your eye". Quran 19: 24-25 

He spoke in defense of his mother saying: "I am indeed a servant
of Allah (God). He has given me revelation and made me a Prophet
and He has made me blessed wherever I am and He has enjoined on
me prayer and charity as long as I live. He has made me kind
towards my mother. Has not made me arrogant, unblessed. Peace be
on me the day I was born, the day I shall die and the day I shall
be raised alive". "Such was the statement of Jesus son of Mary,
concerning which many (people) doubt". Quran 19: 30 34.

There is no doubt in the Muslim mind that Jesus was not crucified
but was taken up, bodily and alive. that he will eventually 
return.
We have it on the attestation of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), who
said under oath, "Just as sure as the sun rises in the East and
sets in the West, Jesus the Messiah will make an appearance at a
time when the world will be embroiled in an unprecedented 
conflict.
When the hour is come everyone will witness his coming".

That Jesus the Messiah will descend at the end time is not in 
doubt.
It is written in the Hadith (sayings ) of the Prophet Muhammed,
(peace be upon him)  what will happen when Jesus returns:

1. He will descend at the white minaret of the Ommaya Mosque on
the East Side of Damascus, wearing two garments of saffron 
colour,
with his hands resting on the wing tips of two angels.
2. He will proceed to the Mosque , it being the time of the 
Friday
prayer
3. He will join the Muslims in prayer, for like all Muslims Jesus
was circumcised, never ate pork and always preformed ablution
before prayer. He will stand in the last row, bow and prostate as
all Muslims do and as he was observed to have done before his
ascension.
4. Following the Friday prayer he will proceed to visit the tomb
of his cousin Yahya, (John the Baptist) who is buried in this
Mosque. He will no doubt offer prayers for his cousin who 
baptized
him in the Jordan River.
5. He will then call upon the believing people. Note the words
(believing people) to join with him in apprehending the Anti-
Christ
who is in Jerusalem. The Anti-Christ being made aware of the 
descent
of Jesus in Damascus will seek to escape from Jerusalem by 
fleeing
to a small village, Lud. Today Lud is the site of the 
International
Airport outside of Tel-Aviv. He will no doubt seek to escape to 
the
United States. 
6. Jesus (pbuh) and his followers will intercept him. Having
confronted the Anti-Christ, with his false identity, claiming to
be the Messiah sent to the Jews. Jesus will expose him as the
Impersonator that he is. His reign as an Impersonator will come
to a dramatic and sudden end.

The Jews having lauded the Anti-Christ as their Messiah and 
having
witnessed his apprehension, will shamefully, after two thousand
years or more admit to Jesus as being the True Messiah Those
among the Jews who refuse to accept Jesus as being the Messiah
will suffer the same fate as the Anti-Christ,

With the apprehension of the Anti-Christ a period of upheaval
will no doubt ensue. This may well be the anticipated 'Battle
of Armageddon on the plains of Esdraelon. The battle will be
between the Believers and the Unbelievers. The believers under
Jesus will be triumphant.

Jesus (pbuh) will then set about to complete his mission. He will
reprove those among his followers who have exalted him, a 
Messenger
and Servant of God, to the status of God. He will also destroy 
the
Myth of the Cross, that portrays him as having been crucified.

The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is reported to have said, "Life of
plentifulness will be beyond words after Jesus descension. The
sky will be directed to pour down rain and the earth to furnish
her fruit until a seed will be able to take root on a stone.
Peace and comfort will prevail to the extent that a lion will
pass by a human without causing the least injury. Malice and
ill-will will be unknown.

Its a good collection of short stories written by ordinary men, 
just like the Bible.

Yes indeed, they started it. I just get annoyed with catch 
phrases. I would like to hear the President say 'OK. Here is a 
list of the asses we are going to kick and next to each you will 
find the reason'. But nothing gets the point across and keeps it 
in mind like a snappy jingle.

To Om/Cf, Merlyn, UK Citizen, Franky, Friendly Arab.

I notice that there are many other interesting subject from 
other post not in this group. All the time I thought it was the 
same.

Did you guys read the message about Jesus from this person in 
our group who did not Identify himself or herself, below is my 
reply.


Why don't you identify yourself. You give a very interesting 
post. I believe a number of us would like to find out more about 
your understanding of Jesus and the Bible.

 So I noticed what is said in the Bible and the Quran about 
Jesus are quite similar except that you think that through years 
the bible, has been corrupted by Isreal and some of the text has 
been change to favour Isreal.

So Jesus is the most powerful prophet of all time. You agree? He 
was born by a command BE given to Mother Mary through an angel 
of GOD, No other prophet was born this way. Agree? All was 
conceived by marriages of two human being. Right? So he is not 
ordinary prophet it is GOD HIMSELF revealing to us in the form 
of human and was conceived from a virgin and he is call the 
Messiah and he will come and give judgement on the last day.

As you say, that the Bible might be corrupted by Isreal, this 
goes the same way as the Quran. Who knows 632 years after Jesus 
a new teaching (Islam) was born through the teaching of Mohammed 
but was it all from him? or was it corrupted by human too.

Even in Christianity and Islam these days there so many division 
in it teaching all these are because of WE, human disagreement 
with each other view but most important as I mention many times 
it is ourselves by our example, by our love, by our 
understanding, by our patience, by our forgiveness that the 
teaching of GOD reveal himself.

If I am a Muslim and I follow all the can and cannot the Quran 
required me to do but I do not care for others especially the 
non believers. You think as you say when Jesus (in Quran) as you 
mention will accept me or will he accept a Christian who has be 
worshipping him and doing all the good things including fogiving 
his enemy and the non believers?

 It is for us to show the non believers that there is a GOD who 
loves us and through our behavior not by our force to guide them 
with patience and love not by threaten and murder.

Come back to your comment. Even if the Holy Bible is corrupted 
as you say. It doesn't teach you to kill, commit suicide, 
revenge, or calling the non believers names, (in Indonesia an 
Imam call the non muslims worse than animals, he is now under 
investigation for his link to al queda..) In Christianity these 
Non believers are call the lost sheep and the shepherd will find 
ways to look for them patiencely before the wolf get to them.

So as I say you found your GOD through Mohammed (Islam), I found 
mine through Jesus Christ (Christianity). Let us all pray  
together to GOD that he will bring Justice to world and Good 
rule over evil. Let his power shine on all those who teaches 
loves to bring peace and stabality to the world and may his 
teaching enlighten us all with knowledge of love, care, share, 
understanding, forgiveness so that we may show to our family, 
friends, neigbour and people around the world including the non 
believers what it means and what we can gain from it.

May God bless you and your love ones.

Oh before I forget, I am a lost sheep too but my shepherd found 
me. I will try not to run out of line from my master again.

I was a Romantic Catholic, now I am a Roman Catholic

Oh my! my wool is all a mess & I can't seem to get myself ready 
for church! BAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaa! 
 But seriously if we see ouselves in the light of god and by his 
divine inspiration be his image.........Why We fuckin up so 
baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaD?

Now it was just here...by the stone! Only just a muineet agoo!
It was that damn goat! he ate it! oh no! my wholly book ! 
  Well I will just have to sit down on this rock & think a bit.
Ahhhhh! the great Angel...wait, no don't pee on m.....
  Ahhh! divine inspiration! I seeeeeeeeeee!
Now I am happy! I can write a new book! Here we go again!

I was the lost sheep and also always do not find time for 
church. Now through the love and caring by my shepherd. I am 
always looking forward to visit him in church. Let the shepherd 
find you and groom you too.

If you were to follow my earlier post. You will understand. I am 
a succesful businessman have a big house drive a big merc and 
everthing was going so well for me. Have affairs outside my 
marriage. Goes to church when I feel convenient. Then it happen. 
I was struck with cancer and through my stubboness I did not 
seek GOD, I look for a lot of cure around the world for years 
until the last moment when I was admitted in our Hospital unable 
to even sit and was told I have only 3 months to live with 4th 
stage of cancer and only 10 percent chances of survival. During 
that time I get closer to GOD and did not fear of dying. I 
survived and live to tell people and guide them closer to GOD. 
The rest is history.

So you are still a healthy sheep, look for your shepherd. God 
Bless

I am going to sit down on the porcalin throne and write the 
holiest book ever. It will even have cuss words and stories of 
hookers to keep the readers interest. It will even have pictures 
of the main characters and a centerfold of the most famous event.
The Holy Orgy.

Apparently the petition went away after 248 signatures in 2-4 
weeks. Thanks to all who contributed to its death.

229. Imma Gew: Fry the boy! Oiy! 

228. Justice: I poop on your petition 

226. Clint: I am not signing the petition, I am actually taking 
a piss on it 

116. Abdul Haqq: He's a damn disease and gives us a bad name 
kill him and let him die quickly. His death will pay for the 
death of Mr. Pearl. 

69. omcf: Free johnny or else his rectum will be sore in prison. 
Donate Vasoline to the cause 

60. Shadowhawk: May his death come the hands of survivors from 
NYC 

50. Spy: Free the pig with a hollowpoint bullet in his head 

47. open minded american: Yes. Release John immediatly so real 
Americans can bring our Jihad to his front door. LOL! 

Been a while, when you left...one by one others eventually 
followed suit. How've you been? Let me know. Suppose you're 
going to say this is just a fleeting visit? At least don't make 
that a one off post will ya! How's life in the construction 
business nowadays?

Ahh..so many questions. 

Anyway, your last post, double standards and two-faced talk. 
Plenty of that going around no doubt. Of course absolutely no 
profiling involved when it came to Richard Pearl. Quite. 

Om/cf and Merlyn have really been...'holdin' it down' here.

Hope to hear from you.  

I thought you might find this intresting reguarding those who 
will be making the pilgramage to Mecca. Perhaps the USAF might 
offer their services to provide air support over Mecca?

Malaysian terror suspect s RP contacts on Interpol list

By Rey Arquiza, The Philippine Star 02/10/2002 

Immigration authorities have uncovered a large terrorist 
operation that uses Manila as a jumping board to other countries 
in Southeast Asia. 

The discovery was made during a tactical interrogation of a 
suspected Malaysian terrorist arrested on Friday at the Ninoy 
Aquino International Airport (NAIA) while he was about to board 
a Kuwaiti Airlines plane bound for Kuwait via Bangkok, Thailand. 

Investigation showed that some of the contacts in the 
Philippines given by the suspect, Azmi bin Salleh, 36, were on 
the International Police (Interpol) s list of terrorists. 

Immigration agents and airport police found in Bin Salleh s 
possession 104 questionable passports and $57,250, purportedly 
payment for Saudi visas for his clients who want to join the 
annual pilgrimage to Mecca. 

I just wanna know who it was we blew up with a hellfire misile a 
few days back. The media speculation that it might, possibly, 
could maybe have been UBL is such bullshit and I wish these 
jerks would stop.  Rumsfeld said it well early on: "We don't 
know where he is.  When we get him, we'll let you know." That's 
good enough foir me (The part about leting me know, not the part 
about not knowing where he is).

So the Taliban (or Taleban to you, UK Cit) foreign minister 
turned himself in.  Maybe it's just me, but I don't trust this 
bastard.  I don't trust any of these bastards.

Watched the Olympics opening Ceremonies. For about five 
minutes.  Don't wanna sound unpatriotic or anything, but it just 
bored the shit outta me.

My girls finally got their Harrod's Christmas Bears, so I guess 
now X-mas is officially over.

As far as Zogby and profiling goes: Agree with the first part. 
Of course it's profiling.   Second part is irrelevant as far as 
I'm concerned.  It's just enforcing the law.  If these people 
are not supposed to be here, they can get the hell out.  If it 
so happens that there is a terrorist or two in their midst whom 
we kick out, all the better, of course.  But how can anybody 
object to the law being enforced ?

First off, nice Python sketch thrown in there, even if it was 
minus John Cleese. That guy who shared that spacious shoe box in 
the middle of the road, just what has he got to complain 
about?..I mean really!

You mentioned timing regarding Iraq, as you may have read 
elsewhere since, the  U.S. military are finalising plans to be 
given to Mr.Bush within the month, described by one official 
as "America's most extensive war plan since the Second World War"

It gives priority to finishing off al-Qaeda in Afghanistan. 
Somalia, Sudan and Yemen continue to be suggested targets of 
military action, in order to deny al-Qaeda members safe havens.

Military action aimed at ousting Saddam Hussein from control of 
Iraq, while seen as urgent, would not begin until the end of 
this year at the earliest. "The plan is to run fairly extensive 
preparations, then give Saddam one last chance." said an 
official closely allied with the Pentagon. "This is in 
the 'urgent but not desperate' class."

It goes on to say, Dick Cheney, the U.S. vice-president, is to 
make his first trip aboad since taking office, with stop overs 
in 11 middle-eastern countries. Mr Cheney will begin with two 
days in Britain for talks with Mr.Blair. "That's important, to 
make clear that we see eye to eye," said one administration 
official. Another said: "We will continue to work very closely 
with Blair."

Colin Powell, told Congress last week the President was 
considering a "regime change" and "the most serious set of 
options one might imagine" for dealing with Saddam.

He said Mr.Bush was prepared for America to do it alone if 
necessary. Diplomats from the region have been quietly telling 
Washington the Arab governments are likely to acquisece in 
action against Saddam, and might well applaud it, so long as 
they are confident that the Iraqi dictator is toppled as a 
result.

Some Pentagon officials are saying that troops may be needed 
inside Afghanistan until the end of this year, reducing the 
scope for a large campaign elsewhere.

www.telegraph.co.uk

-----------

That last paragraph fits in to what you were saying about having 
U.S. troops still around whilst British, Italians and others try 
to restore and maintain order.

As you say, one can't help but profile in the circumstances that 
prevail. Retinal scanners are coming into vogue. 
Foolproof..supposedly. Over here there was a serious airport 
security lapse, with fake weapons being able to be smuggled on 
board a flight. It is said gun parts can be hidden within 
cameras, to then be re-assembled piece by piece. As you probaby 
know airlines have banned metalic cutlery, in preference for 
plastic. The thing is, anybody could travel on board wearing a 
pair of glasses, snap them in half and they can be just as 
leathal in the wrong hands.

EagleEye: Correction Daniel Pearl...scuse me.

Thanks for the message, yes I am from this part of the world and 
we get all these news. There were also a number of arrest in 
Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia but those in Indonesia were 
release after investigation same as in Palestine. The Singapore 
arrest was with the help of info from American when they found 
document of plan to bomb the transit train which carries a local 
and foreigner mainly American to a shipyard where they are 
working. That bad, even in such peaceful country where the 
people live in racial harmony we also have these radical who was 
going to bomb the train.

Message should read locals and foreigners and not a local and 
foreigner. Sorry

GOOD BLESS AMERICA!
FUCK BINLADEN!

Even the most recent example of the man who "got the axe" shows 
the fact that the airlines just barely manage the task. Any fool 
could just freak from being up in a plane, let alone a trained 
terrorist planning to use everyone on board as kidnap victoms. 
Given the balance between greed and common sense, it is a 
obvious case where unfortunately, government regulation really 
must step in. One would think that the airline would care 
enough, but with one company managing another and planes just 
being pawns in an accountants peanut game, nothing is really 
getting done. 
Business structure and constant scabbing and things like Enron 
are a direct result of letting big buisness screw around with 
the lives of workers and citizens. This also the result of a 
visa system that is not responsably following up on it's 
obligation. 
   As far as going after Sad Saddam, blessed be. But there is a 
grand scale of ground work that had best be in line long before 
we smear that cheese all over iran. Kewait will be a stomping 
ground along with even their own country, just "to burn the 
crops before the invasion" Nothing here is new, infact it all 
smells like a rotten peice of limburger! 
  A point to point operation can take out all this crap in a 
matter of a few short weeks if the planning is done correctly. 
We are best served by "just do it" as if we have public opinion 
as any measure of our action we might just as well eat that 
rotten cheese and barf once again a usless campeign with 
election hopes and American terrorism splayed far and wide as 
our only true objective. 
  Oy!

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/STRIKE_MAIN.html

Biological Material
Investigators Find Some Sort of Remains Near Site of Missile 
Attack

Feb. 10   U.S. forces searching the remote scene of a U.S. 
missile attack Monday in eastern Afghanistan have 
found "biological material," which might possibly include human 
remains, ABCNEWS has learned.

ABC News reported on Sunday that the soldiers had found skin, 
blood, hair and perhaps other body parts from whoever was killed 
at the site.

Sheep Jokes -    Really funny stuff!
Are they all in Baaaaaaaaad taste? :-)

Hey Sheep guy, you funny!
you keep going on being a sheep,
lost or found.

I hear they really like sheep and goats over there...

As for the rest of us, well...
we will be men,
and you can be the sheep.




And the sheep, well...
you know what happens to them,
they get shorn,  
(please give your last two pennies to the church!)
or sheep get slaughtered... 
(Jahad, Crusades, Uprisings, - all total B.S.)
mint jelly with your mutton anyone?

Remember Jim Jones Sheep?

How about David Koreshes Sheep?

How about the little Hebrew sheep being rounded up in Israel?

Or their local native targets, sheep dead in the streets?

And the Catholic & Muslim Sheep for Crusades?







If you are gonna pick an animal
for your animality form,
pick something a little bit smarter and stronger.


Stupid Sheep smell bad and get worms & fleas.








Next time some one tells you to be a sheep,
say to them :

'No, I am a Man. 
 I am your equal. 
 You have no power over me, 
 I am not your livestock. 
 I think you need glasses, buddy!'








And when they try to shore you 
('Give till it hurts')
Tell them to try getting a day job
like you have yourself.

They can still preach on Sunday, 
let them earn their own
pay, like everybody else.

It can be there 'service to God'
and help them
'Minister to the community,'
'reaching people where they are.'
Amen Jesus Christ!

(Even he was a carpenter, 
 and his pals tent makers and
 fishermen.)


It's not like they write a new Bible or Qurahan or Talmud
every week...
They really don't have to do a lot to keep up with it...
It kinda just sits there...not much changing with it.

Meditating doesn't involve heavy lifting...
so they should be able to pray and drive a car,
so they can be Taxi drivers or Truck Drivers...

They can pray and cook food too - feeding the hungery...
Burger King and Taco Bell are always hiring...


Or do you like sending your hard earned money to Italy?
(There is a fine upstanding model country to copy.)

Ya pal, 
they are laughing all the way to the bank...
convincing people all over the planet,
to fork over 10% of their wages... 
Damn...
What a scheme, 
everybody should make up a religion like that.


Those professional religion types.
(don't matter what religion)
They got it made, 
they talk for a few hours a week,
not a bad job if you can get it.

Of course they are thanking god!
They got it made - you go out and work,
try to pay your taxes and bills and housing
and food and everything...
and they basically collect off of you,
and kick back and relax.


Nice job.  
Snow Job that is.

Do you Sheep like snow?

I guess they are pulling the wool over your eyes...

Baaa Baaa Baaa

Sheep are dumb, and if you let somebody call you
dumb, and you believe you are dumb,
and you hand your money over to them,
and thank them for treating you like a moron,
then I guess they are right,
you are kinda dumb...
dumb like a sheep.


Oh, you're gonna be late for church!
Remember to take your money to
put in the collection plate.

God can't do for himself, you gotta help god!
He made the whole universe, now
he's run a little short on cash,
so god needs you to give him your cash.

And the nice men in the church building...
well, they just deposit it for him,
in his checking account in Heaven!
(maybe you should ask for the direct deposit number for god?)

God is Love
God is Free

Let Freedom Ring!
Let Freedom Ring!

God Bless America!

and no, he don't send ya a bill for his blessings,
no invoice on holiness...
no C.O.D. for the G.O.D.
think about it.


AMEN! 

:-)

In my last reply to you, I didn't realise I'd already made some 
reference to your 'solutions' post. I kind of refer to posts 
from memory at times. Still, regarding communication...nothing 
wrong with that, the more one communicates the more one 
understands, generally speaking. But, at this point, how many 
people from different parts of the world really WANT to 
communicate? Possibly not enough as yet. As you realise I'm 
sure, these boards have been set up for people to vent their 
anger in the main. Reading them over the weeks a lot of it's 
pretty amusing, even when people are having a go at each other. 
But, it's not really communicating. Assuming the tone of those 
who post here are at least friendly and reasonable, I think it's 
admirable that people respond in kind. Rather disappointingly, 
there's not a lot of humour to be found in people being civil to 
other, hence Get a Grip!, I suppose.

I wouldn't be naive enough to think, anything can be solved on 
this board. It's probably not what it's for. It's certainly a 
start, with more people with the access and ability to use the 
internet, I'm sure other sites across the web will have more 
people communicating ideas as we are. It'll probably be a slow 
process as most things in life tend to be. The fact that someone 
had to use the handle "Friendly Arab" not to get verbal beating 
indicates there's a fairly long way to go at this stage, that's 
of course taking into account the prevailing and quite 
understandable circumstances regarding terrorism and who is 
carrying it out at present.

Your druid beliefs and predictions are most certainly a 
different angle on things. As you say people don't necessarily 
see events in the terms you describe, and that probably looses a 
few in the telling. I realise though you're attempting to put 
your predictions in some sort of context. From what little I 
know of lay lines, they're basically natural electro-magnetic 
lines of force. Aztec and Egyptian temples along with other 
places of worship have been placed along them over the years, 
from what I've read.

Well from what you've predicted so far, one hopes nations and 
individuals start to work together, just a little bit more than 
they have been so far. There's an opportunity to cut the supply 
of opium in the coming years down to very low levels at the very 
least, if sufficient investment is applied over the next few 
years. As I said before, that of course shouldn't just be the 
U.S., but every other nation that can afford it. They should 
also pay their fair share too. The future pay-offs probably 
include less drug abuse and crime in the west, decent living 
standards for the locals in region, one less flashpoint between 
east and west, as well as the U.S. and Russia, plus one less 
place for religious/political extremists to hide and operate 
from in the future. You gave an optimistic prediction a while 
back which I commented on. As you say...we shall see. Long way 
to go yet of course, what with other pariah nations in the 
spotlight at present. What with Iraq and all that may follow. 

I checked out a few Iraqi websites, one of them with Saddam 
apparantly celebrating the anniversary of "the mother of all 
battles". Unbelievable. He obviously thought he'd won that one!  

Hope you get a little piece and quite in upstate N.Y., sounds 
like a great area, and good luck with the converging. Oy!       

Monty Python was great! Now the question begs to be asked. What 
about Benny Hill? Any comedian that can make you laugh with a 
simple facial expression is special. John Bulushi was a master 
at this also.
 I read something the other day in reguards to the English 
language and immigrants in Britian. I was in a rush, and havent 
seen anymore about it. It is probably a similar reaction to here 
in the U.S. If they are going to call our country home, learn to 
speak the language.
 Just yesterday, in a Walgreens Drug store, the checkout clerk 
could not speak anything but Spanish. A customer in front of me 
became extremly pissed off, and I could not blame him or the 
clerk. When the manager came over to handle the situation, I let 
the manager know what the situation was and what I thought about 
it. The clerk started crying, the manager was trying to explain 
how he was REQUIRED to hire with no reguard to speaking the 
English language. Im glad I didnt think of Benny Hill at that 
moment or I would have pinched her ass and batted my eyes with a 
smile!

Britain had a perfectly good natural barrier once, called the 
English Channel. As far as Britain's Channel Tunnel's concerned, 
a lot of us are wishing we'd never built the damm thing. It's a 
real problem now. Gangs of hundreds of illegals are literally 
storming the entrance on the French side, despite the security. 
Parashute Regiment troopers are being drafted in to stop things 
from worsening on the English side. As a result of the chaos 
many arrive knowing the words "political asylum" and "social 
security"...that's about it. The U.K. has always had a fine 
reputation and tradition for taking in genuine asylum seekers 
who are in fear of loosing their life, which should continue. 
Nowadays though way too many are bogus. Aside from those, others 
come in on visas quite legally, settle into so-called 'minority 
communities', and probably never have to speak a word of english 
for the rest of their life. It really does depend on where you 
go. London's got an ever growing ethnic population, as have 
other cities. Unlike the U.S. there are no citizenship 
requirements as such, learning the basics of the constitution, 
alliegence to the flag..that sort of thing. I actually don't 
even know if learning english is an official requirement for 
geniune immigrants, let alone illegals. That's how messed up 
things are getting! The acid test of course is taxi cabs, our 
official black cabs in London have exclusively english speaking 
drivers. But the private companies, that's more of a lottery as 
to whether you'll converse easily with any of them. I do hope 
some basic rules are brought in, whereby people HAVE to learn 
english. You feel if that doesn't happen... a lot of problems 
are going to occur down the line that could well have been 
avoided, if people had just given it some thought.

Regarding that 'Benny Hill moment' you experianced, I do hope 
you seized it and looked back at the long line of bikini clad 
ladies chasing right behind you. You must have got to that shop 
in a hurry, Benny Hill sketches normally run at three times 
natural speed. He liked his country music, "Ernie...and he drove 
the fastest milk cart in the West"..if you didn't ever hear that 
song...count yourself lucky! Jim Carey's a favourite of mine, 
ever since he did a fantastic impression of William Shatner as 
Cptn.Kirk. Priceless.

Has it stopped snowing where you are? Haven't checked the 
weather there lately. If it is, good to be in the snowmobile 
business right now, I guess. Take care.            

Belushi was great that way. Especially with the eyebrows.  I 
think that store manager is being given bogus info.  At l;east I 
hope so.  Look, I can see some jobs where you shouldn't give a 
shit what language tyhe person speaks as long as they give an 
honest days work.  But somebody who deals with the public, like 
a checkout peson, HAS to be able to habla the ingles. And I hope 
to God it's not illegal to require that. But I got that shit 
from an Indian/Paki at McDonald's last night.  First she almost 
let an Indian/Paki kid cut the line in front of me, but I 
yelled: "'SCUSE ME!!".  So the bitch gets me my stuff but was a 
real bitch about it.

Anyway. stil wonder who the dead guys are. I've alraedy rerad 
reports that the locals say they were just other locals.  Oh 
well, then tough shit. Better luck next time. But I don't 
believe anything an Afgahni says.

Ditto Monty Python.

Never had the pleasure of visiting New York as yet. I've been to 
the original Jersey, (the English Channel version), but never 
New Jersey. Have to tell ya, the Mafia have Jersey all sown up:) 
What's the general mood in your home town nowadays? As a native 
N.Y.er, got any thoughts on what should be done with the Trade 
Centre site after it's finally cleared. Some say a memorial 
park, others say rebuild, is there any consensus emerging one 
way or the other? Have you got a preference? Don't know too much 
about that missile story, a little baffling...the thought of bin 
Laden being hit directly by a missile, I wouldn't have believed 
even if it had happened. It would have been just too good to be 
true. 

DTOM, Om/cf, All: Didn't catch too many of Belushi's movies, 
except Animal House...pretty good at a zit impression too 
though, if memory serves...hard to forget moments like those.
  

Pardon me for not responding to your posts on religion. Know 
that I respect your beliefs, and your quest for knowledge on 
religious matters. I know and appreciate you have good reasons 
for being religious, I my friend, have equally good reasons for 
being non-religious. However, general topics aside from religion 
specifically, I'm quite happy to respond to.

Keep well.

I can understand, you are partly right and wrong. Yes you can 
pray with your heart anywhere. If you go to church every Sunday 
without your heart than you better don't go.

Yes we give some money, any amount not every Sunday, and we are 
not force to do so, you can go for free too without paying a 
cent. It is up to you. Not the 10 percent as you mention. That 
is for working Muslim in my country.

The priest get a very small amount of allowance. In my country 
when you left school and get of job immediately, you are paid 
around $1,000+ The priest are paid any allowance of $300. I give 
my college going daughter $500. These people have given 
themselves to GOD. They are not allow to marry, they have 
sacrifice their freedom. It is not only preaching every Sunday. 
They sometime have to go to visit the sick, give spiritual 
lesson and etc. It is not an easy job as you mention. That is 
why it is very difficult to find someone who can do this. I know 
some priest who are qualified, doctors, lawyers, architect and 
so on. They are men chosen by GOD.

Yes I am a sheep with wool all over my eyes because I stray away 
from my shepherd and got mess up. Now I found my master and he 
had groom me. This is just a shepherd and his sheep story as an 
example.If it is for real. You can say at the end the shepherd 
is going to shave me bald. Heheheee.

We can be fishes too and definitely we are men. All of us are 
his, he can take away anytime. Trust me.

No, again we are not force to build the church. We build it on 
our own will, at our own ability in finance. Can be just a 
dollar or a few Million and the seat are not reserved for anyone 
who pay more.

It is nice to know that you are praying on your own too. Keep it 
up. One day, you might just get the call like me. Have a great 
day. God Bless you and your family. Take Care

It is Ok, I was just reply to some who post that sort of 
messages. The subject of religion can always lead to long 
debate. As I mention many times I not preaching. I have found my 
GOD. It is up to you.

Just reply when you feel some of my message need some comment, 
critism or support. Take Care and God Bless.

Off to celebrate our New Year Celebration. Nanu Nanu

BAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! you are mean to poor sheeeeeeeeeeep! You 
probably hurt poor little Sheeeeep! I hope I gave you a 
BaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaD Dasese! or at least the Craaaaaaaabs!
You fuck with the sheep you wake up with the craaaaaaaaaabs!

Little Johnny's kindergarten class was on a field trip to F.B.I.
headquarters where they saw pictures tacked to a bulletin board 
of the
10 most wanted men.

One of the youngsters pointed to the picture on top and asked if 
it
really was the photo of Osama Bin Laden.

"Yes," said the agent.  "The bureau wants him very badly."

So Little Johnny asked, "Why the f--k didn't you keep him when 
you
took his picture?"

If you are ever in Chicago and have to take a taxi remember 
this golden rule. The second you get in, let the non-English 
speaking driver know that you mean business right off the bat! 
They will always try to screw ya over.
 What really gets me in the U.S. is how some immagrants use the 
dual language situation to their advantage. For instance: When 
pulled over while driving by the police, they dont know a word 
of English. Interpertors have to be called to a traffic stop for 
a simple speeding ticket. I have a cousin who is a city police 
officer here and you would not believe the 'language barrier' 
problems the have to deal with. Apparently, they are not allowed 
to hit em with a billy club and say 'start speaking ENGLISH'!

Im not putting much faith into the reports of who may have been 
killed last Monday. We have been down the dead bin Lucifer road 
too many times now. But I dont believe that poor Afghan scrap 
metel hunters were driving SUV's either. Time will tell.

I saw a picture of the Palistinian fat woman celebrating the 
Sept. 11 attacks with her tongue hanging out and all. In the 2nd 
picture she was on the ground with a Isreali tank parked on her 
chest! I'll see if I can hunt that site up again.

I am here in the pit left by the $1,000,000.00 bomb that splayed 
me across 20 acres of Afghani sand! They are taking DNA samples 
just to be sure it's me! I can't sing right now, my vocal coards 
are about a mile from my mouth!

http://www.afghansas.com/LadensLament.asp

A father and his young son were walking by the WTC site 20 years 
after the terrible attacks. The little boy asked his father what 
the site was. The father told him that 20 years ago some 
teroist  arabs had destroyed them, and many innocent people had 
lost there lives. The boy looked up at his father and 
asked, "daddy, whats an Arab?".

http://www.madblast.com/oska/humor_warnings.swf

http://www.afghansas.com/OTaliban.asp

http://afghansas.com/Radio_Top40.asp

http://afghansas.com/song.asp

http://www.bobandtom.com/gen3/index.htm
 
   Lullabye - Stephen Lynch 
   Mama's Got Her Boobs Out - Rodney Carrington  

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A57210-
2002Feb11.html

Iranians Rally Against United States 

In a speech interrupted by chants of "Death to America!" Khatami 
said U.S. foreign policy bore responsibility for the Sept. 11 
terror attacks on New York and Washington.
=================================================================

Nope! No evil or bad intentions there. If the plan of the 'evil 
axis' thing was to see who had some things weighing on their 
consience, it worked.

Mr. President Bush! You must remove the evil axis at once! It is 
very very baad! You see I cannot sit anymore for the evil axis 
is firmly planted up my ass! You must remove it right away! 
Alalalah says so! 

Waz up ya
I'm proud to be muslim and ya don't like muslim, because u ain't 
got a christan pride . We muslims r gonna take over killa all 
muslim haters with one shot in their head . Ya Americans don't 
even know what it is to be in a war, because all of ya just sit 
at home eat eat eat eat get fat like mothafuckaz and do some 
otha shit . We muslims live by strict rules that's why we 
muslims stick togehter like brothers . But ya christan fuck each 
otha up . So respect what i'm bout MUSLIM 4 LIFE Nigga

Let us look back on some recent history. The Taliban, the 
strictest of Muslims, fought hard for a couple weeks. But they 
can blame all of that fasting for depleting their strength Im 
sure. 

You will have to excuse me, the Papa Johns pizza guy is at the 
door!

What Ashcroft said! Word.

Yeah, the mob's all over.  Sometimes I wonder if our war against 
terror isn't going to go the way of the war against the mob.  
Our Gov't has gone to extraordinary lengths to "beat organized 
crime>"  Lotsa people ("folks" as our Prez sez) in jail. And ya 
know what?  Organized crime is still all over.  That's why I 
said from the beginning of this War On Terrorism that we just 
have to kill as many of these bastards as we can.  I'm not 
vengeful, but they've gotta be taken outta circulation.  It 
occurs to me, though that Israel has been playing tit-for-tat 
for years.  No end in sight.  They even have women blowing 
themselves up. But yeah, we'll see about this hellfire missile.  
Even if it wasn't senior al-Queda, it was good practice, no ? I 
live in New Jersey, UK Cit. but went to high school in Manhattan 
and spent lotsa time in college hanging out at Fordham, NYU and 
to a lesser (much lesser) extent, Columbia.  Everyday I went to 
school in high school, I went through the World Trade Center.  
It wasn't even finished yet.  The Twin Towers were, but not the 
shopping area.  I just can't believe it's all gone and there are 
1,000's of dead people there.  But I don't think there's much of 
a consensus about what to do with the site.  I don't think 
people will start debating that in earnest 'til the cleanup is 
almost done.  If Giuliani was still mayor, he would build a 100 
story likeness of himself.  But right now, it seems that people 
assume some kind of office building will be built there.  That's 
a big chunk of prime real estate. I don't think that's going to 
be a problem as much as the memorial. I'm sure the Muslims are 
going to piss and moan to make sure it's sanitized so that they 
aren't blamed.
Winter olympics are boring, no ?

FBI Issues New Terror Alert 

Warning About Yemeni Man, Says Attack May Be Imminent 

Feb. 11, 2002
  
AP / CBS  
(CBS) The FBI issued an extraordinary terrorist alert Monday 
night, asking law enforcement and the American public to be on 
the lookout for a Yemeni man and several associates who might be 
plotting a terrorist attack as early as Tuesday. 

A ordinary American licensed by the American goverment to kill 
Yememi's. Yemeni varment-cong, I believe. How does a person tell 
a Yemeni from say, a innocent Afghani? Or a Saudi? Or a Kuwaiti?
This was no help at all. Not even a picture yet.

http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/seekinfo/2-11-02.htm

Something didn't seem right somehow, EagleEye supposedly 
posting...out of the blue. Hmmmmm...his posts normally had a bit 
more substance to them. Thought I'd reply, just in case. What's 
Up indeed, huh!. Whoever that impersonator was!....should be 
brought before the Great Pumpkin and shown NO mercy, for showing 
such sacrilige!

I somehow think Bosnian_Playa's chowed down on his fair share of 
deep pans with extra pepperoni, salami n' bacon in his time. 
He's probably saying, Mmmmm!....that sounds good!!.

It Dont matter what people think. Every Dick Tom and Harry 
want's to come here. the Grand U.S. of A...U can take cheap 
shots at us,But we are still standing Tall. and if ya have a 
problem with this great Nation. we Have a great Military to back 
it up. every nation in the world should control there people and 
not harbor Colts Like Osma Bin Satan's Groups, there giving 
Islam a Bad wrap. and if your a good Muslim teach your kids 
about others rights to be who they are,.. not, that every 1 is 
Evil because there not muslims.and the USA is not the bIg Satan 
thats a bunch of SHIT... u can come here and teach Islam and all 
that other good crap. the Goverment will not hunt u down, and u 
will NOT hear over the churche's speakers. go kill non belivers. 
what type of bull shit is that.. I do belive theres Good People 
Out there. and if u are , when u are in trouble u call the cops 
or your local Police Force in your nation, so DONT GET MAD WHEN 
WE CALL ours when Crazy ASS people  go around Killing Americans. 
If u Think its time for u to  come after us, because your let 
your self be  brain washed by some Crazy Basterd. or Basterd's. 
you have another thing COMING. Dont Forget we have taken on 
bigger and badder Mother Fuckers.
Long Live U know WHO >wink<

Dont Tread: You bring up an intresting comparison of the Mob to 
the terrorists. Yes the Mafia is still around, but they operate 
in a much different way than they did in the good old days. 
Maybe thats the best that can be hoped for with the terrorists? 
Anyway we'll damn well sure get our point across to them on the 
price to be payed for such actions.
 The Olympics. I take it your not a big Curling fan? The 
Downhill sking, Luge and Skeleton are worth watching, kinda like 
watching car racing, waiting for the big crash. They need to 
retest the Skiers and Sledders, 80mph on snow skis, those people 
just have to be wound up on something. The female figure skaters 
are nice to watch, it hard to take my eyes off those legs though 
to see what their scores are!

U.K.Citizen: Short stop, yes it was for Eagle Eye. If it was 
him, as you say. I'll bet he is letting his views be known 
elsewhere. I've found some other sites that were very 
interesting but all the people tend to be of the same view. Its 
kinda fun getting shot back at here!

Oh! Quick! I'll order a Pizza! Pappa Johns should do it. NO 
really they are planning another attack? Ok sarcasim 
aside...BFD  so what else ids new? As if an attack isn't planned 
everyday! As for the FBI... I would rather hear that one of our 
fine tax supported agencies has apprehended a pin headed 
terrorist. So far, Citizens have had to fend for themselves. The 
shoe bomber, after ties with Atta & the taliban went undetected 
until a stewardess took him out! 
  In a word..........SHIT! don't tell me this vauge S.H.I.T. It 
is all to obvious it will be MY .357 Mag that takes the next one 
out! If so...give me ALL the facts. If it's MY JOB..no problem. 

HAPPY NEW YEAR!

and many more to come.

Three guys are drinking in a bar when a drunk comes in, staggers 
up to 
them, and points at the guy in the middle, shouting - "Your 
grandma's the 
best sex in town!" 
Everyone expects a fight, but the guy ignores him, so the drunk 
wanders off 
and bellies up to the bar at the far end. 
Ten minutes later, the drunk comes back, points at the same guy, 
and says - 
"I just did your grandma, and it was sw-eee-et!" 
Again the guy refuses to take the bait, and the drunk goes back 
to the far 
end of the bar. 
Ten minutes later, he comes back and announces - "Your grandma 
liked it!" 
Finally the guy has had enough and yells, "Go home, Grandpa, 
you're drunk!"

THE KIND.  THE THOUGHTFUL. THE LOVING. 102 GIFTS FOR ANY 
SEASON, TO GIVE WITH ALL YOUR HEART.



1. Smile
2. Provide a shoulder to lean on
3. Pat someone on the back
4. Say  thankyou 
5. Give an unexpected kiss
6. Or a warm hug
7. Say  Gosh, you look good! 
8. Rub a tired back
9. Apply a cold compress
10. Whistle when you re feeling down
11. Keep the speed limit
12. Say  good morning  even if it isn t
13. Mail a letter to an old friend
14. Place a surprise phone call
15. Wash the dishes when it s her turn
16. Empty the trash when it s his turn
17. Ignore a rede remark
18. Help a friend move her piano
19. Or clean his garage
20. Or paint his house
21. Make the coffee at the office
22. Save the want-ads for a job hunter
23. Write a nice letter to the editor
24. Take Grandma to lunch
25. Don t discuss the election with your mother-in-law
26. Don t discuss the Superbowl with your father-in-law
27. Send a  thinking of you  card
28. Wave at a meter maid
29. Just use one parking space
30. Pay your doctor bill
31. Give your used clothes to a needy person
32. Pass on some good news
33. Send a complimentary letter about a great product
34. Buy the wine she likes
35. Buy the cheese he likes
36. Say something nice, instead
37. Consider a different poit of view
38. Loan a favorite book
39. Return a friend s favorite book
40. Let him win at golf
41. Let her win at tennis
42. Play catch with a little boy
43. Or a little girl
44. Take a box of homemade cookies to work
45. Visit an elderly shut-in
46. Forgive an old grudge
47. Talk to a lonely child
48. Laugh at an old joke
49. Laugh at a boring joke
50. Tell him he s wonderful
51. Tell her she s beautiful
52. Take the kids to the park
53. Or the zoo
54. Or the snow
55. Serve breakfast in bed
56. Make the music soft and the lights low
57. Clean the house for Mom
58. Share a dream
59. Jog with her
60. Walk with him
61. Adopt a stray cat
62. Or a lost dog
63. Keep a confidence
64. Try to understand a teenager
65. Try to understand an adult
66. Squeeze the toothpaste tube from the bottom
67. Relay an overheard compliment
68. Let someone ahead of you in line
69. Say  You re doing a good job 
70. Send a friendly note to a computer
71. Tell your optometrist he has pretty eyes
72. Laugh when the joke s on you 
73. Say you were wrong
74. Say someone else was right
75. Say  please 
76. Say  yes 
77. Help someone change a tire
78. Be quiet in the library
79. Type a term paper for a friend
80. Explain, patiently
81. Tell the truth
82. Encourage a sad person
83. Take a problem upon yourself
84. Spread a little joy around
85. Remain calm
86. Leave your mail carrier a little gift
87. And your milk man
88. Change someone s typrwriter ribbon
89. Cut the grass
90. Tell a bedtime story to a little one
91. Do a kind deed, anonymously
92. Share your umbrella
93. And your vitamin C s
94. Talk to a friend s plant
95. Mail someone a poem
96. Leave a funny card under a windshield wiper
97. Tape a love note to the refrigerator
98. Be quiet while he watches the game 
99. Be quiet while she watches the movie
100. Give a flower you picked yourself
101. Point out a beautiful sunset
102. Say  I love you  often

Ooooooo that devel american president! He called my whole 
country, and Evil axis! We are not going to stand for that one 
second! Hey secretary, get my commander right away! here.. take 
this memo;
 First! eliminate all religious leaders in our country!
 Second! Hang, dismember and display anyone who commits a crime!
 Third! Tourture anyone who is involved in any political group  
except mine,unless I do not like them!
 Fourth! Tell the world we are NOT EVIL!

http://www.bluegrasscountry.org/

Went on a holiday visit to Jersey 20 or so years ago, it was and 
probably still is, a nice island..no mafia, at least I don't 
think so! Maybe a bit of money laundering goes on, but not much 
else. The fat guy with the wheezing laugh (name escapes me) who 
always acted opposite Burt Reynolds in the Cannonball movies did 
a Marlon Brando-esque turn in the Robin Hood: Men in Tights 
comedy movie playing a Mafia hoodlum from Jersey, trying to make 
out like it was kind of an english version of New Jersey.

Well, guess who's over for dinner, or tea...with the Queen, 
yes.. it's Mr.Giuliani. The world and his wife it seems likes to 
be seen with him nowadays, looks like the Queen is trying to 
improve her profile! New York's Mr.Fixit is over here to give 
some advise on crime reduction measures. The street crime stats 
here really aren't anything to shout about right now, any advice 
at this stage is welcome. I understand NY has transformed itself 
for the better over the last 15 years or so. Mr.Guiliani had 
some success in going after the Mafia I believe. The Italian 
Mafia that is. I'm sure most on your side of the pond have 
O.D.'d by now on Giulimania, but here he gave his first British 
interview just yesterday. Apparantly he modeled himself on 
Winston Churchill..no joke. Didn't compare himself to him 
though, just made reference, always been a secret fan...so it 
reads in the Telegraph online. 

Speaking of things Mafia, as Om/cf said they've moved 
into 'white collar' crime much more nowadays. Now I've nothing 
against Russians not knowing any personally, but it seems the 
two major exports they're famous for at present are Scmirnoff 
Vodka and the mafia, Russian style. As far as organized crime is 
concerned, they're pretty dammed organisized, ruthless, yet 
equiped with Diplomas and Degrees in Business, Accountancy and 
Law. They're over here in some capacity, along with the 
Jamaican 'yardies' who fire off guns in street shoot-outs like 
it's the wild west.

I confess to not having seen one minutes worth of the Winter 
Olympics. Curling...hardly riveting is it? What I probably will 
watch is the ice-hockey in its latter stages. Think it was Lake 
Placid..not sure though, where Team U.S.A. beat the Soviet's big 
red machine' as it was called, in sudden death overtime 3-2. 
Remembering back, I think the U.S. used just about every single 
rough house trick in the book to beat the smooth skating 
Soviets, to great effect one might add!!

I've seen the word Taliban spelt with an 'I' so often on this 
board, that's the way I spell it too. There..I'm thru.           

Jus who doya tink yous' sayin' abouts us bein whit colla here! 
Jus cus we have a few legit buisness ventures don' men nuttin! 
Must be we need a few O the boyz to rough youse up a bit! We 
don' want to riun our rep yaknow!

Acording to a poster on crisis2001.com, this site is getting its 
15 minutes of fame, so to speak. I havent been able to find the 
magazine today and the website wants $40, but there is a list. 
To quote the poster, "To the creators of this site, I can only 
say what goes around comes around.  And by the way, bravo, you 
made the "Best Hate site" listings on Business Week."
 Anybody get Business Week?
 

If hating terrorists is wrong, I dont want to be right!

Hey, now yous an us....we ain't never crossed before, but lately 
wees a gettin word of people...encroachin..ya know..encroachin.. 
on our turf. Now me, hey...I'ma peacful guy right?, hey!...I 
ain't gonna hurtya!..I ain't gonna fit ya new pair a concrete 
galoshas! But some a da boys here, Gino, Pablo, Tony, 
Knuckles...theys don't see it that way. These guys...are 
marines..ya get me? I say to'em, "paisan...is...paisan heh! 
Family." Soma da boys de ain't listnin, wanna make ya an offa ya 
canna refuse!! Weez in Jersey gotta protect our intrests too ya 
know!     

If you can, do please get hold of a copy, this I've got to hear! 

Hi Everyman, thanks for your greetings. Busy, having friends 
visiting and all those festival things. Have a good year a head 
too. Take care, God Bless

So she is still making news. Hmmm? Guess, she must be flat now 
with the tank on her chest.

This is far as I got at the website. When security boxes pop up, 
you know its a scam to get your info, to sell. BusinessWeek, 
appropriate name I think. 

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/toc/02_07/B3770magazine.htm 

A Plague of Hate Sites 

U.K.:  Dom DeLuise?

Have to go to the store to get some pepper...now I want to run 
right out & get a copy of "Newsweek"!

Party On!

Got this interesting info today...

Dear Friend,

There is nothing patriotic about handing over our natural 
heritage to
the oil industry. But that's exactly what the White House wants 
to do
in the name of national security.

I'm asking you to join me in opposing the senseless destruction 
of our
environment by going to 
http://www.savebiogems.org/declaration.asp and
signing the Declaration of Energy Independence. The declaration 
calls
on our government to pursue a sustainable energy future that 
will
preserve -- not destroy -- our last, unspoiled wildlands.

We have little time to lose. With the nation's attention focused
almost exclusively on the war against terrorism, the Bush
administration has moved quietly but aggressively in recent 
months to
open up fragile wildlands to giant energy corporations. In 
Utah, they
were in such a hurry to lease millions of acres of our redrock
canyonlands for oil and gas development that they skipped the
environmental review that is required by law. My colleagues 
here at
NRDC have already gone to federal court to block this illegal 
giveaway
of redrock country.

But that's only the beginning. The Bush-Cheney energy plan -- 
hatched
in closed-door meetings last year with Enron and other energy 
giants
-- would pave the way for oil and gas companies to despoil an 
alarming
number of our last wild places: the Arctic National Wildlife 
Refuge,
the Greater Yellowstone ecosystem, Wyoming's Red Desert, and 
many,
many more.

President Bush says we need the oil to become more energy 
independent.
Don't buy it! Using the tragic events of September 11th as an
opportunity to advance the special interests of the oil 
industry will
not enhance America's energy security. Our nation simply 
doesn't have
enough oil to drill our way to self-sufficiency.

If we really want to declare energy independence, then the only 
answer
is to dramatically reduce our appetite for oil. For starters, 
we could
increase the fuel efficiency of our cars and light trucks to 40 
miles
per gallon. That would save nearly two million barrels of oil a 
day by
the year 2012 -- more than all the oil we imported last year 
from
Saudi Arabia.

The Declaration of Energy Independence sets forth plenty of 
other ways
to slash our dependence on oil. It proves that fighting 
terrorism does
NOT require the destruction of our own natural heritage.

Please do your part by visiting
http://www.savebiogems.org/declaration.asp and signing the 
Declaration
of Energy Independence. It will take you less than a minute.
Then please forward this message to your family and friends. If
millions of us sign the declaration, then the White House and 
Congress
will be unable to ignore its message.

And thank you for helping to save America's last wild places.

Sincerely yours,

Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
Senior Attorney
Natural Resources Defense Council

This may be getting away from the usual hate filled postings 
but...............
 I, as many Americans do, love the outdoors. And by outdoors, I 
dont mean a crowded, paved, recreation path through the middle 
of the city. I dont hunt anymore, just lost interest. But I 
still like to fish the rivers and lakes in northern Illinois.
 I get more disgusted with citizens trashing natural areas than 
I do with the oil companies. At least the oil companys are bound 
to some sort of laws. At the risk of sounding like a tree huggin 
hippie, lets save some natural areas!
 My county is known for having very nice Forrest Preserves, and 
I know them all. Imagine this: 
One excellent preserve runs along the Kishwaukee river, a small 
river with good smallmouth bass fishing, good for canoeing. We 
used to take our dog there early on weekend mornings to let him 
run and get his jollies out. We went there one Saturday, walked 
down the trail we usually start on, and see cut down trees 
everywhere. We walk a little further and come across a sign 
planted next to the path that says, "Habitat restoration in 
progress". They were cutting down the trees and brush to 
make a paved path for the rollerbladers in two nearby 
underconstruction subdivisions. Habitat restoration my ass! This 
is just the kind of crap that trips my trigger! 

Well, nothing happened today, did it ?  BUt they did say "on or 
about" didn't they ? I just don't know about these detainees.  I 
guess we gotta check out anything they tell us, but why sshould 
they tell us anything ? WE're gonna let them have a swim for 
exercise one day, aren't we. These guys are such worthless 
bastards, the sharks probably won't even eat 'em.  And they 
probably stink, too.  But yeah.  I agree.  There's a terrorist 
threat everyday.

They film some of "The Sopranos" in the town where I grew up. 
That and a token will get me on the train, huh ? I guess they 
wanted realistic Jersey.  But from our town we had a graet view 
of the World Trade Center when it was being built. I looked 
waaaay out of place then.  But when the sun would shine on it 
just right, it gave off the brightest orange reflection, when we 
were little we used to think it was on fire. Imagine thinking 
the World Trade Center was on fire.

Glad your time here isn't wasted UK Cit. You're learning how to 
spell.  Our word for today, used in a sentence: Donald Rumsfeld 
is the Secretary of DefenSe. Just kidding.  I mean, it is your 
language after all.

So they're painting at work the other day, and one of the 
illegal immigrant bastards had to move the big American flag 
we've had up since September (not since 9/12, the stores were 
all sold out).  So this jerk just rolls it in a ball and leaves 
it on top of a file cabinet.  And that's where it stays for a 
couple of days.  None of the illegal immigrant secretaries does 
anything. (OK, two of them are Puerto Rican and they're 
citizens.  Why, I'll never know.  For letting us use Vieques for 
target practice ?  Don't need it.  We can iuse Afgahnistan, Iraq 
and Iran now). Anyway, this morning my American flag fell off my 
house, si I sez, "Fuck this. I ain't gonna see Old Glory treated 
like shit." Like Don't Tread on Me, ya know ? I pick up my flag 
and re-hang it.  When I get to work, I fold up the flag.  It 
took three times but I finally got it right.  And left it right 
on the office manager's "nothing-out-of-place" desk. I want it 
re-hung.  So they ask me to please take down the pictures of 
patriotic shit on my office door. After 9/11, I put up a little 
Gadsden Flag on my office door and other people started putting 
up stuff (Wanted:Dead or Alive Poster, etc." Now, I gotta take 
it all down. Assholes

Assholes for sure! People were you are at are not 'over it' 
yet. Hell, Im not and Im in the midwest. I put our flag up when 
I got home from work 09/11/01 and someone stole it 3 weeks later!
I was mad as hell, but I had a backup flag! Fuck the thieves, 
hope they sold it to someone who is flying it.

I've never heard such words of hatered as I have on this board.

1)Nobody is saying that the destruction of WTC was good or 
should go unpunished

2)Not a single terrorist who did it was from Afghanistan (HELLO!)

3)The Taleban is NOT Al Queda - you might think this is 
irrelevant but it has a number of strategic ramifications

4)If anyone's acting like Hitler now it is the leaders of both 
sides.

5)If you want to know about a situation you have to look at its 
history, not just reach for your revolver and shoot whoever 
happens to have darker skin than you.

6) You stupid rednecks make me just as sick as stupid terrorists.

suck my cock you bastard

1) Wrong. Look back thru the archived posts and you will see 
many posts indicating happiness at the attacks on America, 
mostly by those indicating they are Muslim or of Arab decent.
2)This is no revelation. Its well known on this board.
3)Semantics. One does the dirty work, the other provides the 
means. They worked hand in hand.
4)Hitler invaded and took over other countries. The U.S. & U.K. 
are simply spanking asses wherever its needed. Seems to me 
Hitler was part of a evil axis as well.
5)I prefer a 9mm auto and it is colorblind. If someone threatens 
me or my family they will be handled reguardless of race or skin 
color.
6)You whinning lefties make me much sicker than rednecks or 
terrorists.

Have a nice day!

Check this out, turn up your speakers and enjoy.

http://home.kimo.com.tw/netspooky/kikia/

I don't know if you know this, but, there is a website that u 
can go to where you can enter the address of a website like Arab 
newspaper sites and it will translate the language to english so 
we can read it.  I was there once, but, did not save the address.

u suck islam the us is going to find bin laden and kill him

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20020213/ts/attack_iraq_dc.html

Virginity like bubble, one prick, all gone.
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 Man who run in front of car get tired.
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 Man who run behind car get exhausted.
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 Man with hand in pocket feel cocky all day.
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 Foolish man give wife grand piano, wise man give wife upright 
organ.
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 Man who walk through airport turnstile sideways going to 
Bangkok.
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 Man with one chopstick go hungry.
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 Man who scratch ass should not bite fingernails.
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 Man who eat many prunes get good run for money.
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 Baseball is wrong: man with four balls cannot walk.
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 Panties not best thing on earth! but next to best thing on 
earth.
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 War does not determine who is right, war determine who is left.
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 Wife who put husband in doghouse soon find him in cat house.
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 Man who fight with wife all day get no piece at night.
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 It take many nails to build crib, but one screw to fill it.
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 Man who drive like hell, bound to get there.
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 Man who stand on toilet is high on pot.
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 Man who live in glass house should change clothes in basement.
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 Man who fish in other man's well often catch crabs.
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 Man who fart in church sit in own pew.
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 Crowded elevator smell different to midget.

Taaaaaliban, just means military government.....AlQueda...is 
Baaaaaaad! Sheeeeep hates AlQueda! Sheeeeep will give them 
saaaaaaaaand fleas! "the camp" is Osama's place of baaaaad 
things! He perverted young boys into haaaaaaateful men! AlQueda, 
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad!
  I still can't find the church! my wool is still a mess and you 
mess with me and I'll give you the craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabs! 

OSAMA BIN LADEN HAS A PERVERTED MIND. HE MAY BE MENTALLY ILL, 
POSSIBLE PSYCHO.

Sheeeep maaaaaad at you for hurting step brother goat!

It looks like all thats left is the when and how. Bush and 
Powell almost seem to be doing a 'good cop-bad cop' routine 
lately. Very interesting.....

There must be an Alqueda recruiting office in Yemen, Saudi 
Arabia. I expect there is a poster of Osama pointing and 
saying "We want you, to die for US! Join today!" 15 of the 20 
hijckers came from Yemen and the most recent squeelers in camp X-
ray are all telling of more from the same place. It is all 
probably just B.S. to get better treatment. 

Security forces in a suburb of the Yemeni capital of Sana'a told 
The Associated Press they were chasing Sameer al-Hada, 25, when 
he threatened them with a hand grenade.
The grenade exploded in his hand, killing him instantly. No 
police were injured.
Al-Hada was on the terrorist lists of both U.S. and Yemeni 
authorities, sources told ABCNEWS.

LO FUCKING L!!!!!! Another one bites the dust!

In WW I our troops were called Doughboys 
In WW II they were called GIs 
In Desert Storm they were called Soldiers 
In this new conflict I guess they will be called 



"TALI WHACKERS?" 

Seems the only two that had any brains at all splayed them all 
over the trade center. So far they really suck at what they do! 
I like the Yemen gernade marmalade! Ya gotta be strung out to 
think like they do. When they had pictures of the shoe bomber 
boy he looked lit enough on drugs to fly to the moon! 

Lets see... Who was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize this 
year? Was it Osamaa? Nope. Was it Arafat? Nope. Was it 
SAAAATTAAAAN?
It was George Bush and Tony Blair for their work against 
terrorism.

Watching the news tonight, this grenede expert was pretty well 
connected. No stranger to Afghan training camps. Relatives up 
and down the terrorist ladder. I dont want to come across as Im 
filled with hate but YAAAAA WHOOOOOO!!!, damn good job by the 
authorities in Yemen and I hope they keep their nose to the 
grindstone because it appears they got a full plate to deal with.

the profile of all these wacko walking nut bombs is between 22 & 
34 years old (about) I am just guessing that they get their last 
assignment to go out with a bang! thus keeping the age limit 
consistant. 

For a really good read Read this link:

http://www.antichrist.com.au/crimeline.html
christian crimeline
EVOLUTION OF THE CHRISTIAN CURSE (V1.2)
  D CHRISTIE SINTON "ARNOUME"

This is a really nice web site that lists all the murders, 
killings, slaughters,
and other offenses by 'christians' against the people of earth.

Now:
Every group has spawned war against every other group.

It is just things always seem a little one sided.
'Bad Nazis' 'Evil Jews' 'Dirty Pegans' 'Bloody Muslims'
well, Christianity has it's own list of blood letting...

Mostly against 
Romans, Europeans, Arabs, 
Africans, and Native Americans,
as well as many other groups...




This is the point:


Let's all hope that 
all religions 
can live in 
peace
and
love

(like God tells us too - love NOT kill)





Here is a Short list from the page:

326 Aphrodite Constantine orders destruction of temples of Greek 
love goddess Aphrodite in Jerusalem and Phoenicia. 

335 Magicians Constantine orders death by crucifixion of 
magicians and soothsayers in Asia Minor and Palestine. 

336-61 Aryan schism 1,000,000 Arian Christians are killed for 
disagreeing with Nicean decision that Jesus is divine being; 
Arians claim Christ is created being. 

420-1100 Dark Ages Church engineers complete control over 
education; reading and writing are restricted only to potential 
priests and knowledge outside church is suppressed. 

420-1100 Religion rules "There was a time when religion ruled 
the world; it is known as the Dark Ages" - Ruth Hurmence Green 
(1915-81). 

420-1100 Medicine Advances in Greek and Roman medicine and 
hygiene are declared heretical; plague sweeps Europe resulting 
in huge casualties. 

420-1100 Technology Roads, aqueducts, heating, indoor plumbing 
and other technology invented by Greeks and Romans disappear as 
church power increases during Dark Ages. 

420-1100 History History is rewritten by church fathers claiming 
world is only 5000 years old. 

420-1100 Science Science is pushed back 2000 years; Pythagoras' 
idea earth revolves around sun (600BC) is banned by church even 
when reintroduced by Copernicus in 1600s; Aristarchus' 
heliocentric theory (300BC) is banned by church until 
reintroduced by Galileo in 1600s. 

540-94 Plague 100,000,000 people die during plague which sweeps 
northward from Egypt and Syria; European population is halved 
and Roman Empire never recovers. 

c590-604 Enforced celibacy Gregory I introduces celibacy edict 
to prevent property from passing from church to possible wives, 
families or mistresses of clergy. 

c590 Babies murdered 6000 babies are found murdered in pond 
outside Gregory's Lateran palace after celibacy edict is 
introduced by Gregory I. 

594 Plague ends Plague ends and church moves to dominate field 
of medicine; Christian monks are taught "bleeding" techniques to 
prevent toxic imbalances and restore humors. 

594+ Bleeding Tens of thousands die each year by bleeding until 
practise ends in 16th century. 

637 Jerusalem conquered Muslims conquer Jerusalem. 

782 Charlemagne Holy Roman Emperor Charlemagne (c742-814) 
beheads 4500 Saxon rebels in one morning for refusing to convert 
to Christianity. 

800 Universal Emperor Pope Leo III (795-816) declares 
Charlemagne Universal Emperor. 

999 Millennium Millennium terror results in people donating 
money, houses and land to church in what became "history's most 
spectacular giveaway". 

1010 French Jews Bishop of Limoges orders expulsion or execution 
of Jews from France refusing to convert to Christianity. 

1095-9 First Crusade Urban II (1088-99) calls for European 
knights to march on Jerusalem under Christian umbrella to wrest 
Holy Land from Turkish Muslims. Jews and dark-skinned Christians 
also targets. 

1096 People's Crusade Catholic preacher Peter the Hermit (c1050-
1115) leads 1000s of peasants in holy war on Belgrade, chief 
city of Orthodox Church after Constantinople. 

1096 Yugoslavia Amid confused fighting, Peter the Hermit's 
peasant army accidentally slaughters 4,000 Christian residents 
of Zemun, Yugoslavia. 

1096 Goose Crusade Scores of German Jews are hacked or burned to 
death by Christian fanatics who follow goose "blessed by God". 

1096 Muslim slaughter 4,000,000 to 7,000,000 Muslims die as 
Peter the Hermit's peasants follow Christian knights into 
Jerusalem; crusaders believe killing Muslims "good for soul". 

1096 Jewish slaughter Estimated 12,000 Jews are slaughtered 
during first crusade; Historian Dagobert Runes estimates 
3,500,000 Jews are killed during seven Holy Wars. 

1098 Antioch Historian H Wollschl ger estimates 100,000 Muslims, 
including women and children, were slaughtered by Christian 
crusaders at Turkish Antioch. 

1098 Marra Historian H Wollschl ger estimates 1000s were 
slaughtered by Christian crusaders at Maraat an-numan. 

1099 Battle of Askalon Historian H Wollschl ger estimates more 
than 200,000 were slaughtered "in the name of Our Lord Jesus 
Christ". 

1099 Jerusalem Jerusalem taken by crusaders. Historian H 
Wollschl ger estimates more than 60,000 Jewish and Muslim men, 
women and children were slaughtered by Christians in Jerusalem. 

1146-8 Second Crusade Pope Eugenius III (1145-53) calls for holy 
war on Muslims at Edessa; St Bernard of Clairvaux declares: "The 
Christian glories in the death of the pagan because thereby 
Christ himself is glorified". 

1181 Inquisition procedures Lucius III (1181-85) establishes 
procedures for Inquisition. 

1187 Jerusalem recaptured Saladin recaptures Jerusalem but 
unlike Christian crusaders of 1099, not one Christian is harmed. 

1187-92 Third Crusade Pope Gregory VIII (1187) declares holy war 
on Muslims in Jerusalem as well as on pagans, Cathars and Jews 
in Europe and England; many communities sacked and destroyed. 

1187-92 Stupid loss of life Estimated 1,000,000 lives are lost 
during 5 year crusade at hands of people historian E Gibbon 
describes as "the most stupid and savage refuse of people". 

1191 Richard Lion Heart 3000 men, women and children are 
slaughtered outside Acre during third crusade; stomachs are cut 
open in search for swallowed gems. 

1198-1216 Innocent III Innocent III declares "anyone who 
attempts to construe a personal view of God which conflicts with 
church dogma must be burned without pity". 

1200-4 Fourth Crusade Catholic armies are sent to fight Muslims 
in Jerusalem but end up fighting themselves; 1000s die as 
Catholics sack Orthodox Church cities of Constantinople and Zara 
during crusade described as "total failure". 

1208-38 Albigenses 1,000,000 Albigensians (Cathars) perish in 
south of France after Innocent III launches holy war described 
as one of history's most terrible campaigns. 

c1208 St Nazair 12,000 are slaughtered at Cathedral of St 
Nazair. 

c1208 Toulouse 10,000 are executed by Bishop Folque of Toulouse. 

c1208-9 Beziers (France) 20,000 Cathari are slaughtered by 
Catholic Church commanding legate Arnaud; other chroniclers 
estimate between 60,000 and 100,000 deaths. 

1209 Carcassonne Historian H Wollschl ger estimates 1000s were 
slain by Christian crusaders at Carcassonne. 

1212 Children's Crusade 1000s of children die after they are 
sent to fight Muslims in belief they would be empowered by God: 
most die or are sold into slavery during crusade described 
as "great embarrassment" to church. 

1215 Magna Carta King John grants charter at Runnymede 
recognising rights of church, barons and freemen. 

1217-22 Fifth Crusade Pope Honorius III (1216-27) launches holy 
war on Egyptian Muslims which ends in disaster for Christians; 
numerous lives are lost. 

1227-41 Gregory IX 100,000 to 2,000,000 die over 500 years after 
Gregory establishes first of three Holy Inquisitions in 1232. 

1228-29 Sixth Crusade Gregory IX (1227-41) declares holy war on 
Muslims and succeeds in reoccupying Jerusalem as part of 
temporary peace treaty. 

1232+ Thousands die 35,534 individuals are burned during 
Inquisition; 18,637 more are burned in effigy while 293,533 
receive other Inquisitional punishments. 

1291 Crusades end Muslims recapture last Christian stronghold, 
Acre, in retaliation for Richard's massacre century earlier. 

1297 Palestrina 6,000 citizens of Palestrina are slaughtered 
after Boniface VIII orders papal troops to kill all inhabitants 
of town belonging to rival family. 


1347-50 Bubonic Plague 27,000,000 die during Bubonic Plague also 
called "The Death" which many Christians claim Jews started. 

1347-50 Jews killed 18,600 Jews are killed in 350 separate 
massacres by Christians believing Jews had started Bubonic 
Plague. 

c1347 Bavaria 10,000 Jews are slaughtered after Christian mobs 
wielding pitchforks and sickles slash through 80 Jewish 
communities in Bavaria. 

c1347 Brussels 600 Jews are massacred after Catholic flagellants 
march through Brussels. 

1348 Strasbourg, France 2000 Jews are herded into large wooden 
barn and burned after Christians accuse them of starting Bubonic 
Plague. 

1349 German Jews More Jews are murdered, mostly burned alive, in 
single year than Christians persecuted by Romans over 200 years. 
Historian K Deschner reports 350 German Jewish communities 
attacked. 

1349 Mainz 6000 Jews are massacred in single day by Christians 
claiming Jews started Bubonic Plague. 

1375 Cessna 2500-5000 inhabitants of Cessna are massacred under 
future Clement VII for revolting against papal authority; women 
are raped and children ransomed. 

1391 Seville Jews Archbishop Martinez of Seville launches Holy 
War on Jews resulting in 4000 lives lost; 25,000 surviving Jews 
sold into slavery where archbishop forces those aged over 10 to 
wear identification badges. 

1428-50 Dauphine Trials 110 women and 57 men are burned alive 
during witchcraft trials spanning 20 years in Dauphine, France. 
1431 Joan of Arc Joan of Arc (1412-31) is burned alive for 
heresy at Rouen after claiming God told her to save France from 
English invaders. 

1431-67 Vlad Dracula Vlad "The Impaler", described as Eastern 
Europe's greatest Christian defender, slaughters 200,000 people, 
many by impalement, during 3 reigns. 

1450-1600 Witchburnings 30,000 people are burned as witches by 
Inquisition between 1450 and 1600. 

1450-1750 Witchburnings 200,000 or more individuals are burned 
as witches in Europe and America between 1450 and 1750. 

1450+ Germany 100,000 individuals are burned by Protestants and 
Catholics in Germany where more trials occur than in any other 
European country. 

1450+ Catholic burnings 30,000 individuals are burned during 
Catholic Inquisition. 

1450+ Scotland 4400 are burned in Protestant Scotland. 

1450+ England 1000 are burned in Protestant England. 


1455-62 Dracula 100,000 Muslims are slaughtered by Christian 
crusader Vlad Dracula (1431-1467) in his attempt to defend 
Christian Europe from Ottoman Turkish Muslims. 

1456 Battle of Belgrade Christians slaughter 80,000 Turkish 
Muslims during Battle of Belgrade. 

1460 Dracula 40,000 men and women are killed, many by 
impalement, after Christian crusader Vlad Dracula (1431-1467) 
destroys town of Buda, Romania. 

1472 Spanish Inquisition 1000s of Jews, Muslims and Protestants 
are cruelly murdered after Sixtus IV establishes Spanish 
Inquisition in 1472. 

1481-1517 Spanish Inquisition 13,000 are burned in 36 years 
during Spanish Inquisition; 17,000 are burned in effigy and 
290,000 tortured, imprisoned or bankrupted. 

1481-1517 Mass burnings 2,000 are burned alive and 1000s 
brutally tortured at auto da fe "act of faith" festivals in 
Spain. 

1483-96 Tomas Torquemada 1000s suffered excruciating agonies at 
hands of Tomas Torquemada, Spain's most notorious inquisitor, 
who was allegedly responsible for 10,220 burnings. 

1484+ Alsace 5000 are burned as witches in province of Alsace 
after Innocent VIII issues Summis desiderantes affectibus bull. 

1484+ Bavaria 2000 are burned as witches in Bavaria after 
Innocent VIII issues Summis desiderantes affectibus bull. 

1484+ Bamberg 900 are burned as witches in Bamberg after 
Innocent VIII issues Summis desiderantes affectibus bull. 

1484+ Vaud 311 are burned as witches in Vaud after Innocent VIII 
issues Summis desiderantes affectibus bull. 

1484+ Grenoble 167 are burned as witches in Grenoble after 
Innocent VIII issues Summis desiderantes affectibus bull. 

1484+ Wurzburg 157 are burned as witches in Wurzburg after 
Innocent VIII issues Summis desiderantes affectibus bull. 

1484+ Saxony 133 are burned as witches in single day in Saxony 
after Innocent VIII issues Summis desiderantes affectibus bull. 

1484 Italy 41 are put to death at Como, Italy, within months of 
Summis desiderantes affectibus being issued. 

1485 Cumanus 41 women are burned as witches under inquisitor 
Cumanus in 1485. 

1485 Piedmont, Italy 100 are executed as witches in Piedmont 
valley, Italy. 

1487+ 150 male and female members of Waldensian sect are cruelly 
butchered in one of many French Savoy towns obliterated by papal 
soldiers. 

1492 Spanish Moors Moors are defeated by Christian armies in 
Spain; last Spanish Muslims are driven out. 

1492 Spanish Jews 150,000 Spanish Jews receive orders to either 
convert to Christianity or face expulsion from fear 
of "contaminating society". Historian HC Lea reports many Jews 
died during exodus. 

1492 Mecklenburg 27 Jews are burned at Mecklenburg after being 
tortured into confessing they had defiled communion hosts. 

1492 America discovered Christopher Columbus discovers San 
Salvador and begins colonisation of New World; Alexander VI 
divides Americas between Spain and Portugal. 

1492+ Christianisation Within hours of landing Columbus procures 
6 natives as "servants" before avowing to "convert the heathen 
Indians to our Holy Faith". 

1492+ Columbus 150,000,000 North American Indians are enslaved, 
exported or killed in name of Christ over centuries at hands of 
Spanish and English explorers and pilgrims. 

1493+ Cortes 30,000,000 Aztecs and Mayans die over years as 
Spanish conquistadors proselytise Christian faith. 

1508 Toulouse 40 lives are lost during mass witchcraft trials at 
Toulouse, France. 

1510 Brescia, Italy 140 people are burned as witches at Brescia, 
Italy. 

1510 Berlin 38 Jews are burned in Berlin after Jew confesses 
under torture that he had made communion wafer bleed. 

1514 Valcanonica, Italy 70 die as witches following mass 
witchtrials involving some 5000 suspects at Valcanonica, Italy. 

1514 Como, Italy 300 people are executed as witches at Como, 
Italy. 

1523 Como, Italy 1000 people are burned as witches at Como, 
Italy. 

c1523-34 Cesena massacre 8000 people, including children, are 
slaughtered at Cesena under Clement VII's instruction according 
to chronicler Paulus Jovius. 

1525 Peasants' Revolt 8000 German civilians are slaughtered by 
papal army during Peasants' Revolt led by Protestant preacher 
Thomas Munzer (1490-1525). 

1531 John Calvin 1000s of religious nonconformists are killed 
and witches burned after John Calvin (1509-1564) turns Geneva 
into religious police state. 

1532 Carolina Code 1000s suffer after Holy Roman Empire issues 
Carolina Code directing all witchcraft defendants undergo 
torture before death. 

1542-49 India 3800 die miserable deaths after Jesuit 
missionaries bring Inquisition to India. 

1542+ India Several wars are waged between rival Catholic groups 
Jesuits and Capuchins in India. 

1553-8 "Bloody Mary" Mary I becomes ruler of England and 
attempts to restore Catholicism through terror: 300 Protestants 
are burned in 3 years. 

1557 Toulouse 40 people are executed as witches at Toulouse, 
France. 

1562 Channel Islands 66 trials occur on Channel Islands between 

1562 and 1736; almost 50 per cent of accused are sentenced to 
death. 

1563+ Indictments 535 indictments on charges of witchcraft are 
issued during Elizabeth I's reign. 

1563+ Executions 82 accused are put to death on charges of 
witchcraft during Elizabeth I's reign. 

1567+ Scotland 4400 individuals are executed as witches in 
Scotland until repeal of Witchcraft Act in 1736; most suffered 
brutal tortures before death. 

1568 Poitiers 4 lives are lost during witchcraft trials at 
Poitiers, France. 

1568 Netherlands Inquisition is established in Spanish 
Netherlands where 1000s were slain. 

1573 Spanish Fury 1000s of Protestants are killed by Duke of 
Alma in Antwerp and Haarlem during onslaught called "the Spanish 
Fury". 

1578 Kilkenny, Ireland Three unnamed women are executed as 
witches at Kilkenny, Ireland. 

c1580 Mexico 879 heresy trials are recorded in late 1500s after 
Spanish Christians bring Inquisition to Mexico. 

1580 Fortune tellers Elizabeth I adds fortune-tellers to 1563 
Witchcraft Act. 

1581 France Catholic Church prohibits possession of grimoires or 
spell books in France. 

1582 St Osyth Witches 10 women are sentenced to death in England 
after they are accused of bewitching inhabitants of St Osyth 
during witchcraft hysteria in Essex. 

1582 Avignon 18 individuals are burned as witches under Grand 
Inquisitor Sebastian Michaelis at Avignon, France. 

1589 Tours, France 14 individuals are condemned as witches at 
Tours, France but are spared after King Henry III (1551-89) 
intervenes; Inquisition condemns Henry as "witch protector". 

1589 Saxony 133 women are publicly burned as witches in one day 
at Quedlinburg, Saxony, Germany. 

1590 Nordlingen, Germany 32 people, most respectable citizens, 
are burned as witches at Nordlingen as mass hysteria sweeps 
Germany in early 1590s. 

1590-1 Bavaria 49 out of population of 4700 are burned as 
witches during witchhunts at Werdenfels in Bavarian Alps. 

c1596 Ulster, Ireland 1000s of Catholics starve in exile after 
James I seizes Ulster from Roman Church and gives it to Scottish 
and English Protestants. 

1597 Aberdeen 23 women and one man are burned at Aberdeen in one 
of Scotland's most notorious witchcraft trials; accused are 
mainly elderly women. 

1602 Discours des Sorciers 600 people, including young children, 
are sent to stake by Burgundy's most notorious witch judge, 
Henri Boguet (1550-1619); many are brutally tortured. 

1604-1736 England At least 1000 individuals are executed as 
witches in England until Witchcraft Act is repealed in 1736. 

1608 Basque witches 600 Basque men, women and children are 
executed as witches in 4 months by French lawyer Pierre de 
Lancre (1553-1631) who sweeps through Bearn in Pyrenees. 

1609-22 Witch Bishop 300 individuals are tortured and burned as 
witches in Bamberg, Germany, under "Witch Bishop" Johann 
Gottfried von Aschhausen. 

1610 Navarre, Spain 6 witches are burned as witches in Navarre, 
Spain. 

1616 Leicester 9 people are hanged after Leicester court finds 
them guilty of causing boy, 13, to suffer fits; Archbishop of 
Canterbury later declares their innocence. 

1618-48 30-year war War lasting 30 years erupts between 
Catholics and Protestants in Germany, France, England, Sweden 
and Denmark. 

1618-48 Catastrophe 14,000,000 people die in Germany alone from 
30-year war between Catholics and Protestants described by one 
commentator as "human catastrophe". 

1619-1860 African slaves 4,000,000 African slaves are shipped by 
Christians to North America aboard "the good ship Jesus Christ" 
between 1619 and 1860. 

1620 Pilgrim Pilgrims sail from Holland to New England and 
establish Plymouth. 

1623-33 Bamberg At least 600 people are burned as witches in 
Germany under Gottfried Johann Georg II Fuchs von Dornheim, 
Bishop of Bamberg; most endured brutal tortures before death. 

c1637 Eichstatt Estimated 2000 accused witches are burned after 
prolonged torture at Eichstatt during Bavarian witch hysteria. 

1647 Alice Young Alice Young becomes first woman to be hanged 
for witchcraft in Connecticut after witchcraft legislation is 
passed by Puritans in 1642. 

1647 Matthew Hopkins Matthew Hopkins is allegedly hanged after 
failing swimming ordeal conducted by mob testing his main method 
of "proving" witches. 

1648 Polish Jews 200,000 Jews are slain during Christian 
massacres at Chmielnitzki, Poland. 

1651 Neisse, Germany 42 women are roasted in ovens as witches in 
Niesse, Germany; more than 1000 "witches", as young as 2, are 
executed in similar manner in Niesse in 9 years. 

1653-8 Ironsides 1000s of Anglicans are slaughtered during 
bloody battles led by hymn-singing, Bible-wielding "Ironsides" 
under Puritan leader Oliver Cromwell. 

1680 Norway Man named Ingebrigt becomes last person executed for 
witchcraft in Norway after he is accused of attending sabbats 
and poisoning cattle. 

c1680 "The Killing Time" 1000s of hardline Protestants called 
Cameronians are hunted down by royal troops during reign of King 
James II. 

c1680 Puritan police state Puritans create New England religious 
police state imposing harsh penalties on doctrinal deviates. 

c1680 Persecutions 1000s are hanged, flogged, pilloried, 
banished or have ears cut off or tongues bored with hot irons by 
Puritans during Massachusetts heresy persecutions. 

1715 Rhineland 1000s of Protestants are violently persecuted by 
Catholic Christians in Rhineland Palatinate. 

c1720 Polish Jews 100,000 Polish Jews are slaughtered in 300 
communities before Ukraine is wrested from Catholics by Orthodox 
Russians. 

1864 Colorado Indians 700 heavily armed Christian troops 
exterminate all native American men, women and children of Sand 
Creek, Colorado; between 400 and 500 are killed. 

1869 First Vatican Council Vatican confirms doctrine of papal 
infallibility meaning no Catholic may question papal authority. 

1882 Russia 35,000 Jews are expelled from Moscow after discovery 
one of Czar Alexander II's assassins is Jewish. 

c1890 Armenia 200,000 people die after Protestant forces move 
into Armenia causing civil unrest between Catholic and Orthodox 
Christians. 

1891 Wounded Knee Heavily armed Christian troops exterminate all 
native American men, women and children of Wounded Knee in South 
Dakota. 

1894 Clonmel burning Bridget Cleary (1868-94), of Tipperary, 
becomes last woman executed as witch in Ireland after she is 
roasted on kitchen fire at Clonmel. 

1903 Russian unrest 300 Jews die at Odessa and 120 at 
Yekaterinoslav after Orthodox Christians blame civil unrests 
on "Jewish machinations". 

1909 Armenia 20,000 people die and scores are wounded during 
religious clashes between Protestant, Catholic and Orthodox 
Christians in Armenia. 

1917-8 Jews eradicated 60,000 Jews are killed in 530 Russian 
communities after political-religious uprising erupts aiming 
to "strike at the bourgeoisie and the Jews". 

1922 Hitler Hitler reveals true religious beliefs in 1922 speech 
when he says: "My feelings as a Christian point me to my Lord 
and Saviour as a fighter". 

1939-45 Holocaust 6,000,000 Jews die under Hitler's orders in 
human catastrophe allegedly inspired by Martin Luther's 
pamphlet, Jews and Their Lies. 

1941-5 Ustashi 600,000 Orthodox Christians, Jews and Muslims are 
massacred by fanatical Catholic "Ustashi" soldiers under 
Croatian leader Ante Pavelic (1889-1959). 

1970-90 Lives lost 3000 lives are lost in Northern Ireland 
between 1970 and 1990 as result of hostilities between 
Protestants and Catholics. 

1978 People's Temple 913 die after former Methodist minister and 
Bible cult leader Rev Jim Jones tells followers he is Messiah 
and they should commit "revolutionary suicide". 

1983 Branch Davidians 80 die in fireball after former 7th Day 
Adventist and Bible cult leader David Koresh tells followers he 
is Messiah and apocalypse has begun. 

1983 Darkley, Ireland 3 worshipers are killed and 7 wounded 
after Catholic terrorists with automatic weapons burst into 
Protestant church in Ireland. 

1985 Ulster 54 are killed, 916 wounded, 516 arrested and 31 
kneecapped during Catholic and Protestant terrorist attacks in 
Northern Ireland. 

1988 Armenia 100 people are killed during religious riots 
between Christian Armenians and Shiite Muslims. 

1989 Jimmy Bakker US televangelist and former Assemblies of God 
minister Jimmy Bakker is convicted of bilking 114,000 Christian 
followers out of $250 million. 

1991 Gulf War US and allies invade Iraq. 

1997 Heaven's Gate 87 die after Bible cult leader Marshall 
Applewhite tells followers they should "graduate" to meet Jesus 
behind Hale-Bopp comet. 

1998 Brazil 6 people, including 3 children, are beaten to death 
by United Pentecostal Church of Brazil members who believe they 
are possessed by Devil. 

1998 Alabama bomber Christian fundamentalist Eric Rudolph 
becomes FBI's most wanted fugitive after Alabama abortion clinic 
bombing leaves 1 policeman dead and 1 nurse critically wounded. 

1999 Pat Robertson Newspapers estimate US evangelist Pat 
Robertson's Christian empire, including TV station, diamond mine 
and university, is worth $312 million. 

1999 Billy Graham Newspapers estimate US evangelist Billy 
Graham's Christian empire, which has over 10 million followers, 
grosses $100 million annually. 

2000 Anglican wealth Archbishop of Canterbury George Carey 
criticises Western society for worshiping wealth just weeks 
before media reveals UK Anglican Church earned  4.4 billion in 
1999. 

2000 Anglican arms investment Media reports UK Anglican Church 
owned shares totalling over  20 million in military tank and 
helicopter manufacturer, GKN. 

2000 Indonesia 512 Muslims are slaughtered or reported missing 
during religious battles in which Christians, with 28 lives 
lost, are described in Australian media as being "more ruthless" 
than Muslims. 

2000 Uganda Over 1000 lives are lost in suicide-murder involving 
members of Ugandan Christian cult Movement for the Restoration 
of the Ten Commandments of God. 

2001 Bush bombs Iraq Christian US president George Bush orders 
bombing of Iraq, killing 8 people including 3 children. Media 
describes airstrike as powerful announcement of newly elected 
president's presence on world stage. 



Why
Can't
We 
All
Just
Get
Along!?!

Let's all be friends! 

:-)

Bush is a christian, true. But your punch line has a real flaw. 
The country he represents is of many faiths. Plugging all that 
christian hate info with that last untruth, makes me figure the 
rest is the same...a lie. The person who dropped the bombs in 
Afghanistan was..any number of religious faith, or race, 
including..Muslim. Gotta watch your slant.
 As for getting along..you bet! But your forgetting America is a 
mixing bowl of race and religion. Please do not classify 
everyone in the US ad a wasp, Jessie Jackson & Connie Chung 
might get mad! 

Let alone O.J.Simpson! and sugar ray & Muhammid Ali (a muslim!)

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaa! thay want me to eat Christs body & Drink his 
blood! Baaaaaaaaaaaaa this is creeeeeeeeeeeeeepy, I know it is 
just bread & wine bbbbbbbbbbbut I just think it's creeeeeeeepy! 
My wool it has a stain! oh man what a draaaaaaaaaaaaag.
  I dddddont know abbbout this church I found. BBBBut I can't 
kneel any ggggood so I don't waaaaant to bbe a mmmmuslim.

1891 Wounded Knee Heavily armed Christian troops exterminate all 
native American men, women and children of Wounded Knee in South 
Dakota. 
-----------------------------------------------------------------
They were cut down by Gatling guns placed on hillsides in 
freezing cold tempetures, frozen into grotesqe forms just the 
way they were gunned down. Why? Practicing the Ghost Dance, a 
form of religion sweeping the plains Indians at that time, in 
which they believed the Great Spirit would return then their 
lands taken and return things to the way they were. A last 
hurrah, so to speak. Thats just off the top of my head.
So what exactly makes you think all the Calvery soldiers were 
all Christians? Most probably didnt give a shit about God, one 
way or the other.

Getting 'that lovin feelin' for ones enemies, will get one 
killed every time.

1864 Colorado Indians 700 heavily armed Christian troops 
exterminate all native American men, women and children of Sand 
Creek, Colorado; between 400 and 500 are killed.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Comanche and Kiowa I beleive. On the run, refusing a 
reservation, and who could blame them. The men were away when 
the makeshift village was attacked but if I remember correctly, 
many soldiers were killed also.
Again, how are you so sure all the soldiers were Christians?

If you're going to post"facts",make sure they're facts.Vlad the 
Impaler being called a christian is utter bullshit.

In the King James version of the Holy Bible, Jesus mentions 
that He is "The Way, The Truth, and The Light.  No one comes to 
the Father but through Me" (Jesus).
  In other words, as a Christian I believe -and know in my heart- 
that spiritual salvation will only be given to those who accept 
Jesus as their Savior.  This stands in direct contradiction to 
what the Quran says about Jesus.  
  In faith therefore I must reject the Quran as a deception.  


  Praise Jehovah, the Only True G

.....and what exactly does the Quran say about Jesus?

Hi,

  I disagree with you about Christians murdering those who would 
gun people down w/ Gatling guns.  I don't deny that many were 
murdered, because it is true.
  It is also true that no true Christian would do such a thing, 
because it violates everything which God tells us.
  Hope you don't have the perception that we all wear flat tops 
and sport coats to church and sell insurance during the sermon.

  Groooooooooooossssssssssss!

  

Cain slew Abel and on and on and on and on and on and on and on
and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on 
and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on 
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There's a message above, written presumably from a Quran 
scholar, which details what the Quran says about Jesus.
  As I read the message above, it says that Jesus did not die on 
the cross.  This, of course, is the biggest problem that I have 
with the Quran, because it seeks to discredit Jesus out of hand.  
It appears to me that the purpose of the Quran, therefore, is to 
seek power instead of its ostensible quest for spiritual trut

There's a message above, written presumably from a Quran 
scholar, which details what the Quran says about Jesus.
  As I read the message above, it says that Jesus did not die on 
the cross.  This, of course, is the biggest problem that I have 
with the Quran, because it seeks to discredit Jesus out of hand.  
It appears to me that the purpose of the Quran, therefore, is to 
seek power instead of its ostensible quest for spiritual trut

Sounds like quite a "preserve"...I'd love to be in a position 
where I could buy a chunk of land and just let it be...

"Pave Paradise & put up a parking lot..."

You can quote the words from my song,but you have to give me a 
dollar.

My only point to the teacher post was that the soldiers killing 
the Indians were labeled 'Christian troops'. I highly doubt the 
soldiers of the 1800's, in the wild west, had much religious 
interest at all.

I will praaaaaaaaay now...
  I ask Christ why heeee dddidn't write the bbbible or the 
QQQuraaaan. He said the real religion is already in my heart, I 
don't neeeeeeed any church or preeeeeeeeeacher. 
so I should pray to his ffather the holy spirit and his Mother 
the sacrid earth and to him. BBButt I amm confused abbout all 
threeee. Who do I pray to for salvation from the evil axis? 
  I will brush my wool and try to beee a gooood sheeeeeeeeep!

u all need to find a life...but im sure u cant figure out how.
   

After reading thoroughly the contents of this message board, I 
must say that I am shocked, at how insensitive, and simply 
insane some of the people who frequent this page are. Though I 
cannot condone the events of september the 11, 2001, one must 
realize, that collective punnishment of the people of 
Afghanistan is neither moral, nor just. The terrorist attacks of 
9/11 reflect neither the wills of the Afghan people, nor the 
views of Islam. Take a step back, into a higher plane, and see 
over nationalist propaganda. You will realize that 9-11 was the 
actions of a small, group of people. You will realize, that even 
though over 5000 people died that day, that the circumstances in 
which Afghan prisoners are being held in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba 
are nothing short of deplorable. How can any of you, not see, 
that in the United States' handling of captured soldiers, it has 
in fact shredded its own constitution? Few people know, that not 
a single captured Taliban solider has been permitted to hold 
legal counsel. Few people know, that John Walker Lindh was 
shackled, then duck taped to a board on his 22 hour flight from 
the Persian Gulf to Afghanistan, not allowed even to visit a 
restroom. Remember, that the word Islam, means peace. And though 
the Al Qaeda terrorist network may claim to kill in its name, 
Islam, in no way shape or form, condones the killing of innocent 
office workers. Also remember, that Al Qaeda, is a body 
independant of the Afghani people. It is wrong, to hold every 
Arab in the world responsible for the events of 9-11. Most 
importantly, remember, that the American judicial system, is 
based on the principle, that all are presumed innocent until 
proven guilty. 

http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/02/13/inv.teddy.bear.terrorist/index.h
tml

collective punnishment of the people of 
Afghanistan 
  From what I know this is bullshit, we are feeding them and 
helping them to rebuild their country.

that even though over 5000 people died that day

  Where you listening to your news at or what the hell are you 
reading.  You do not know the facts, you are not worth 
responding to.  

You are looking at a cyber chat board, and this is a world of 
opinion, and we all have one....even you! As far as duct taping 
a Drugged out pscyco, if it was your sons life in danger and the 
martyer brained maggot could kill your son...I'm sure you would 
want him to have his hands free and a knife! 
  You are unable to understand..these freaks would kill 
themselves if given the chance, why? Hey get a grip! they are 
strung out on heroin & Opium. Give them a few months to detox 
and I bet they will be able to live normally again. Just how DO 
YOU THINK IT WOULD LOOK if we had just let them kill themselves 
in captivity? If you could not see the drugged out look on the 
face of the shoe bomber when he was captured you need to look 
again! He looked TOASTED! So was Johnny Walker, ever wonder why 
they look so thin...like death warmed over?? MMMMMMMM? Well I'll 
tell you. It is from being STRUNG OUT! Look at Johnny walker now 
& compare........He looks normal now even after being in jail! 
              WAKE UP!

Bin Laden Met with the CIA in July and Walked Away

by

Michael C. Ruppert

[  COPYRIGHT 2001, All Rights Reserved, Michael C. Ruppert and 
From The Wilderness Publications, www.copvcia.com. May be copied 
and distributed for non-profit purposes only.]

[Expanded and Revised February 11, 2002]

FTW, November 2, 2001   1200 PST -- On October 31, the French 
daily Le Figaro dropped a bombshell. While in a Dubai hospital 
receiving treatment for a chronic kidney infection last July, 
Osama bin Laden met with a top CIA official - presumably the 
Chief of Station. The meeting, held in bin Laden s private 
suite, took place at the American hospital in Dubai at a time 
when he was a wanted fugitive for the bombings of two U.S. 
embassies and this year s attack on the U.S.S. Cole. Bin Laden 
was eligible for execution according to a 2000 intelligence 
finding issued by President Bill Clinton before leaving office 
in January. Yet on July 14th he was allowed to leave Dubai on a 
private jet and there were no Navy fighters waiting to force him 
down. 

In 1985 Oliver North   the only member of the Reagan-Bush years 
who doesn t appear to have a hand in the current war - sent the 
Navy and commandos after terrorists on the cruise ship Achille 
Lauro. In his 1991 autobiography  Under Fire,  while describing 
terrorist Abu Abbas, North wrote,  I used to wonder: how many 
dead Americans will it take before we do something?  One could 
look at the number of Americans Osama bin Laden is alleged to 
have killed before September 11 and ask the same question.

It gets worse, much worse. A more complete timeline listing 
crucial events both before and after the September 11th suicide 
attacks, which have been blamed on bin Laden, establishes CIA 
foreknowledge of them and strongly suggests that there was 
criminal complicity on the part of the U.S. government in their 
execution. It also makes clear that the events which have taken 
place since September 11th are based upon an agenda that has 
little to do with the attacks.

One wonders how these events could have been ignored by the 
major media or treated as isolated incidents. Failing that, how 
could skilled news agencies avoid being outraged, or at least 
even just a little suspicious? 

1. 1991-1997   Major U.S. oil companies including ExxonMobil, 
Texaco, Unocal, BP Amoco and Shell directly invest almost $3 
billion in cash bribing heads of state in Kazakhstan to secure 
equity rights in the huge oil reserves in these regions. The oil 
companies further commit to future direct investments in 
Kazakhstan of $35 billion. Not being willing to pay exorbitant 
prices to Russia to use Russian pipelines the major oil 
companies have no way to recoup their investments. [Sources 
Testimony before the House International Relations Committee 
2/12/98]

2. December 4, 1997   Representatives of the Taliban are invited 
guests to the Texas headquarters of Unocal to negotiate their 
support for the pipeline. Subsequent reports will indicate that 
the negotiations failed, allegedly because the Taliban wanted 
too much money. [Source: The BBC, Dec. 4, 1997]

3. February 12, 1998   Unocal Vice President John J. Maresca   
later to become a Special Ambassador to Afghanistan   testifies 
before the House that until a single, unified, friendly 
government is in place in Afghanistan the trans-Afghani pipeline 
needed to monetize the oil will not be built. [Source: Testimony 
before the House International Relations Committee.] 

4. 1998 - The CIA ignores warnings from Case Officer Robert Baer 
that Saudi Arabia was harboring an al-Q aeda cell led by two 
known terrorists. A more detailed list of known terrorists is 
offered to Saudi intelligence in August 2001 and refused. 
[Source: Financial Times 1/12/01; See No Evil by a book by 
Robert Baer (release date Feb. 2002).

5. 1998 and 2000 - Former President George H.W. Bush travels to 
Saudi Arabia on behalf of the privately owned Carlyle Group, the 
11th largest defense contractor in the U.S. While there he meets 
privately with the Saudi royal family and the bin Laden family. 
[Source: Wall Street Journal, Sept. 27, 2001. See also FTW, Vol. 
IV, No 7    The Best Enemies Money Can Buy, 
- http://www.copvcia.com/members
/carlyle.html. ]

6. January, 2001   The Bush Administration orders the FBI and 
intelligence agencies to  back off  investigations involving the 
bin Laden family, including two of Osama bin Laden s relatives 
(Abdullah and Omar) who were living in Falls Church, VA   right 
next to CIA headquarters. This followed previous orders dating 
back to 1996, frustrating efforts to investigate the bin Laden 
family. [Source: BBC Newsnight, Correspondent Gregg Palast   Nov 
7, 2001].

7. Feb 13, 2001   UPI Terrorism Correspondent Richard Sale   
while covering a trial of bin Laden s Al Q aeda followers - 
reports that the National Security Agency has broken bin Laden s 
encrypted communications. Even if this indicates that bin Laden 
changed systems in February it does not mesh with the fact that 
the government insists that the attacks had been planned for 
years.

8. May 2001   Secretary of State Colin Powell gives $43 million 
in aid to the Taliban regime, purportedly to assist hungry 
farmers who are starving since the destruction of their opium 
crop in January on orders of the Taliban regime. [Source: The 
Los Angeles Times, May 22, 2001].

9. May, 2001   Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, a 
career covert operative and former Navy Seal, travels to India 
on a publicized tour while CIA Director George Tenet makes a 
quiet visit to Pakistan to meet with Pakistani leader General 
Pervez Musharraf. Armitage has long and deep Pakistani 
intelligence connections and he is the recipient of the highest 
civil decoration awarded by Pakistan. It would be reasonable to 
assume that while in Islamabad, Tenet, in what was described 
as  an unusually long meeting,  also met with his Pakistani 
counterpart, Lt. General Mahmud Ahmad, head of the ISI. [Source 
The Indian SAPRA news agency, May 22, 2001.]

10. June 2001   German intelligence, the BND, warns the CIA and 
Israel that Middle Eastern terrorists are  planning to hijack 
commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack important 
symbols of American and Israeli culture.  [Source: Frankfurter 
Allgemeine Zeitung, September 14, 2001.]

11. July, 2001   Three American officials: Tom Simmons (former 
U.S. Ambassador to Pakistan), Karl Inderfurth (former Assistant 
Secretary of State for South Asian affairs) and Lee Coldren 
(former State Department expert on South Asia), meet with 
Pakistani and Russian intelligence officers in Berlin and tell 
them that the U.S. is planning military strikes against 
Afghanistan in October. A French book released in November,  Bin 
Laden - La Verite  Interdite,  discloses that Taliban 
representatives often sat in on the meetings. British papers 
confirm that the Pakistani ISI relayed the threats to the 
Taliban. [Source: The Guardian, September 22, 2001; the BBC, 
September 18, 2001.The Inter Press Service, Nov 16, 2001]

12. Summer 2001 - According to a Sept. 26 story in Britain s The 
Guardian, correspondent David Leigh reported that,  U.S. 
department of defense official, Dr. Jeffrey Starr, visited 
Tajikistan in January. The Guardian s Felicity Lawrence 
established that US Rangers were also training special troops in 
Kyrgyzstan. There were unconfirmed reports that Tajik and Uzbek 
special troops were training in Alaska and Montana. 

13. Summer 2001 (est.)   Pakistani ISI Chief General Ahmad (see 
above) orders an aide to wire transfer $100,000 to Mohammed 
Atta, who was according to the FBI, the lead terrorist in the 
suicide hijackings. Ahmad recently resigned after the transfer 
was disclosed in India and confirmed by the FBI. [Source: The 
Times of India, October 11, 2001.]

14. Summer 2001   An Iranian man phones U.S. law enforcement to 
warn of an imminent attack on the World Trade Center in the week 
of September 9th. German police confirm the calls but state that 
the U.S. Secret Service would not reveal any further 
information. [Source: German news agency  online.de , September 
14, 2001, translation retrieved from online.ie in Ireland.]

15. June 26, 2001   The magazine indiareacts.com states 
that  India and Iran will  facilitate  US and Russian plans 
for  limited military action  against the Taliban.  The story 
indicates that the fighting will be done by US and Russian 
troops with the help of Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. [Source: 
indiareacts.com, June 26, 2001.]

16. August 2001   The FBI arrests an Islamic militant linked to 
bin Laden in Boston. French intelligence sources confirm that 
the man is a key member of bin Laden s network and the FBI 
learns that he has been taking flying lessons. At the time of 
his arrest the man is in possession of technical information on 
Boeing aircraft and flight manuals. [Source: Reuters, September 
13.]

17. August 11 or 12   US Navy Lt. Delmart  Mike  Vreeland, 
jailed in Toronto on U.S. fraud charges and claiming to be an 
officer in U.S. Naval intelligence, writes details of the 
pending WTC attacks and seals them in an envelope which he gives 
to Canadian authorities. [Source: The Toronto Star, Oct. 23, 
2001; Toronto Superior Court Records]

18. Summer 2001   Russian intelligence notifies the CIA that 25 
terrorist pilots have been specifically training for suicide 
missions. This is reported in the Russian press and news stories 
are translated for FTW by a retired CIA officer.

19. July 4-14, 2001   Osama bin Laden receives treatments for 
kidney disease at the American hospital in Dubai and meets with 
a CIA official who returns to CIA headquarters on July 15th. 
[Source: Le Figaro, October 31st, 2001.]

20. August 2001   Russian President Vladimir Putin orders 
Russian intelligence to warn the U.S. government  in the 
strongest possible terms  of imminent attacks on airports and 
government buildings. [Source: MS-NBC interview with Putin, 
September 15.]

21. August/September, 2001   The Dow Jones Industrial Average 
drops nearly 900 points in the three weeks prior to the attack. 
A major stock market crash is imminent.

22. Sept. 3-10, 2001   MS-NBC reports on September 16 that a 
caller to a Cayman Islands radio talk show gave several warnings 
of an imminent attack on the U.S. by bin Laden in the week prior 
to 9/11.

23. September 1-10, 2001   In an exercise, Operation  Swift 
Sword  planned for four years, 23, 000 British troops are 
steaming toward Oman. Although the 9/11 attacks caused a hiccup 
in the deployment the massive operation was implemented as 
planned. At the same time two U.S. carrier battle groups arrive 
on station in the Gulf of Arabia just off the Pakistani coast. 
Also at the same time, some 17,000 U.S. troops join more than 
23,000 NATO troops in Egypt for Operation  Bright Star.  All of 
these forces are in place before the first plane hits the World 
Trade Center. [Sources: The Guardian, CNN, FOX, The Observer, 
International Law Professor Francis Boyle, the University of 
Illinois.]

24. September 7, 2001   Florida Governor Jeb Bush signs a two-
year emergency executive order (01-261) making new provisions 
for the Florida National Guard to assist law enforcement and 
emergency-management personnel in the event of large civil 
disturbances, disaster or acts of terrorism. [Source: State of 
Florida web site listing of Governor s Executive Orders.]

25. September 6-7, 2001   4,744 put options (a speculation that 
the stock will go down) are purchased on United Air Lines stock 
as opposed to only 396 call options (speculation that the stock 
will go up). This is a dramatic and abnormal increase in sales 
of put options. Many of the UAL puts are purchased through 
Deutschebank/AB Brown, a firm managed until 1998 by the current 
Executive Director of the CIA, A.B.  Buzzy  Krongard. [Source: 
The Herzliyya International Policy Institute for 
Counterterrorism, http://www.ict.org.il/, September 21; The New 
York Times; The Wall Street Journal.]

26. September 10, 2001 - 4,516 put options are purchased on 
American Airlines as compared to 748 call options. [Source: ICT  
 above]

27. September 6-11, 2001 - No other airlines show any similar 
trading patterns to those experienced by UAL and American. The 
put option purchases on both airlines were 600% above normal. 
This at a time when Reuters (September 10) issues a business 
report stating,  Airline stocks may be poised to take off. 

28. September 6-10, 2001   Highly abnormal levels of put options 
are purchased in Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley, AXA Re
(insurance) which owns 25% of American Airlines, and Munich Re. 
All of these companies are directly impacted by the September 11 
attacks. [Source: ICT, above; FTW, Vol. IV, No.7, October 18, 
2001, http://www.copvcia.com/members/
oct152001.html. ] 

29. It has been documented that the CIA, the Israeli Mossad and 
many other intelligence agencies monitor stock trading in real 
time using highly advanced programs reported to be descended 
from Promis software. This is to alert national intelligence 
services of just such kinds of attacks. Promis was reported, as 
recently as June, 2001 to be in Osama bin Laden s possession 
and, as a result of recent stories by FOX, both the FBI and the 
Justice Department have confirmed its use for U.S. intelligence 
gathering through at least this summer. This would confirm that 
CIA had additional advance warning of imminent attacks. 
[Sources: The Washington Times, June 15, 2001; FOX News, October 
16, 2001; FTW, October 26, 2001, - 
http://www.copvcia.com/members/
magic_carpet.html; FTW, Vol. IV, No.6, Sept. 18, 2001 - 
http://www.copvcia.com/members/
sept1801.html; FTW, Vol. 3, No 7, 9/30/00 - 
www.copvcia.com/stories/
may_2001/052401_promis.html. 

30. September 11, 2001   Gen Mahmud of the ISI (see above), 
friend of Mohammed Atta, is visiting Washington on behalf of the 
Taliban. [Source: MS-NBC, Oct. 7.]

31. September 11, 2002   Employees of Odigo, Inc. in Israel, one 
of the world s largest instant messaging companies, with offices 
in New York, receive threat warnings of an imminent attack on 
the WTC less than two hours before the first plane hits the WTC. 
Law enforcement authorities have gone silent about any 
investigation of this. The Odigo Research and Development 
offices in Israel are located in the city of Herzliyya, a ritzy 
suburb of Tel Aviv which is the same location as the Institute 
for Counter Terrorism which breaks early details of insider 
trading on 9-11. [Source: CNN s Daniel Sieberg, 9/28/01; 
Newsbytes, Brian McWilliams, 9/27/01; Ha aretz, 9/26/01.]. 

32. September 11, 2001 - For 35 minutes, from 8:15 AM until 9:05 
AM, with it widely known within the FAA and the military that 
four planes have been simultaneously hijacked and taken off 
course, no one notifies the President of the United States. It 
is not until 9:30 that any Air Force planes are scrambled to 
intercept, but by then it is too late. This means that the 
National Command Authority waited for 75 minutes before 
scrambling aircraft, even though it was known that four 
simultaneous hijackings had occurred   an event that has never 
happened in history. [Sources: CNN, ABC, MS-NBC, The Los Angeles 
Times, The New York Times.]

33. September 13, 2001   China is admitted to the World Trade 
Organization quickly, after 15 years of unsuccessful attempts. 
[Source: The New York Times, Sept. 30, 2001.]

34. September 14, 2001   Canadian jailers open the sealed 
envelope from Mike Vreeland in Toronto and see that is describes 
attacks against the WTC and Pentagon. The U.S. Navy subsequently 
states that Vreeland was discharged as a seaman in 1986 for 
unsatisfactory performance and has never worked in intelligence. 
[Source: The Toronto Star, Oct. 23, 2001; Toronto Superior Court 
records]

35. September 15, 2001   The New York Times reports that Mayo 
Shattuck III has resigned, effective immediately, as head of the 
Alex (A.B) Brown unit of Deutschebank.

36. September 29, 2001   The San Francisco Chronicle reports 
that $2.5 million in put options on American Airlines and United 
Airlines are unclaimed. This is likely the result of the 
suspension in trading on the NYSE after the attacks which gave 
the Securities and Exchange Commission time to be waiting when 
the owners showed up to redeem their put options.

37. October 10, 2001   The Pakistani newspaper The Frontier Post 
reports that U.S. Ambassador Wendy Chamberlain has paid a call 
on the Pakistani oil minister. A previously abandoned Unocal 
pipeline from Turkmenistan, across Afghanistan, to the Pakistani 
coast, for the purpose of selling oil and gas to China, is now 
back on the table  in view of recent geopolitical developments. 

38. Mid October, 2001   The Dow Jones Industrial Average, after 
having suffered a precipitous drop has recovered most of its pre-
attack losses. Although still weak, and vulnerable to negative 
earnings reports, a crash has been averted by a massive infusion 
of government spending on defense programs, subsidies 
for  affected  industries and planned tax cuts for corporations.

39. November 21, 2001   The British paper The Independent runs a 
story headlined,  Opium Farmers Rejoice at the Defeat of the 
Taliban.  The story reports that massive opium planting is 
underway all over the country.

40. November 25, 2001   The Observer runs a story 
headlined  Victorious Warlords Set To Open the Opium 
Floodgates.  It states that farmers are being encouraged by 
warlords allied with the victorious Americans are  being 
encouraged to plant  as much opium as possible. 

41. December 4, 2001   Convicted drug lord and opium kingpin 
Ayub Afridi is recruited by the US government to help establish 
control in Afghanistan by unifying various Pashtun warlords. The 
former opium smuggler who was one of the CIA s leading assets in 
the war against the Russians is released from prison in order to 
do this. [Source: The Asia Times Online, 12/4/01].

42. December 25, 2001   Newly appointed afghani Prime Minister 
Hamid Karzai is revealed as being a former paid consultant for 
Unocal. [Source: Le Monde.]

43. January 3, 2002   President Bush appoints Zalamy Khalilzad 
as a special envoy to Afghanistan. Khalilzad, a former employee 
of Unocal, also wrote op-eds in the Washington Post in 1997 
supporting the Taliban regime. [Source: Pravda, 1/9/02]

44. January 4, 2002   Florida drug trafficking explodes after 9-
11. In a surge of trafficking reminiscent of the 1980s the 
diversion of resources away from drug enforcement has opened the 
floodgates for a new surge of cocaine and heroin from South 
America. [The Christian Science Monitor, January 4, 2002.

45. January 10, 2002   In a call from a speaker phone in open 
court, attorneys for  Mike  Vreeland call the Pentagon s 
switchboard operator who confirms that Vreeland is indeed a 
Naval Lieutenant on active duty. She provides an office number 
and a direct dial phone extension to his office in the Pentagon. 
[Source: Attorney Rocco Galati; court records Toronto Superior 
Court.]

46. February 9, 2002   Pakistani leader General Musharraf and 
Afghan leader Hamid Karzai announce their agreement 
to  cooperate in all spheres of activity  including the proposed 
Central Asian pipeline. Pakistan will give $10 million to 
Afghanistan to help pay Afghani government workers. [Source: The 
Irish Times, 2/9/02]

Now, let s go back to the October 31 story by Le Figaro   the 
one that has Osama bin Laden meeting with a CIA officer in Dubai 
this June.

The story says that,  Throughout his stay in the hospital, Osama 
Bin Laden received visits from many family members [There goes 
the story that he s a black sheep!] and Saudi Arabian Emirate 
personalities of status. During this time the local 
representative of the CIA was seen by many people taking the 
elevator and going to bin Laden s room.

 Several days later the CIA officer bragged to his friends about 
having visited the Saudi millionaire. From authoritative 
sources, this CIA agent visited CIA headquarters on July 15th, 
the day after bin Laden s departure for Quetta 

 According to various Arab diplomatic sources and French 
intelligence itself, precise information was communicated to the 
CIA concerning terrorist attacks aimed at American interests in 
the world, including its own territory.  

 Extremely bothered, they [American intelligence officers in a 
meeting with French intelligence officers] requested from their 
French peers exact details about the Algerian activists 
[connected to bin Laden through Dubai banking institutions], 
without explaining the exact nature of their inquiry. When asked 
the question,  What do you fear in the coming days?  the 
Americans responded with incomprehensible silence.  

 On further investigation, the FBI discovered certain plans that 
had been put together between the CIA and its  Islamic friends  
over the years. The meeting in Dubai is, so it would seem, 
consistent with  a certain American policy.  

Even though Le Figaro reported that it had confirmed with 
hospital staff that bin Laden had been there as reported, 
stories printed on November 1 contained quotes from hospital 
staff that these reports were untrue. On November 1, as reported 
by the Ananova press agency, the CIA flatly denied that any 
meeting between any CIA personnel and Osama bin Laden at any 
time.

In the most ironic twist of all, FTW has learned that Le Figaro 
is owned by the Carlyle Group, the American defense contractor 
which employs George Bush Sr., and which had as investors   
until they sold their stake on October 26 - the bin Laden family.

Who do you believe? 

Interesting article, although I've run across most of the info 
already. Put it all together, and POOF, a goverment conspiracy 
against its own people. The stuff of movies. Randomly collected 
information, positioned and manipulated just right, can bring 
many people to a conclusion that seems obvious. Call me 
gullible, I dont care, I've been called much worse. I dont buy 
it. Besides, with so many Frenchies involved you know for 
sure 'the fix is in'!

Maybe it is just me, but, why use light colors on this board,  
I don't need to go to the trouble of highlighting the whole 
message to read it, I read maybe the first paragraph and that is 
it.  Dark colors is the way to go with the background, tell me 
if I am wrong.  Maybe something not set right.

You need to find a dictionary...but I'm sure you can't figure 
out how.

After reading thoroughly the contents of this message board, I 
must say that I am shocked, at how insensitive, and simply 
insane some of the people who frequent this page are.
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Really? Well I sure as hell would not want to be 'insensitive' 
after the terrorists killed all of those people! I mean after 
all, terrorists are people too.
=================================================================
Though I cannot condone the events of september the 11, 2001,
one must realize, that collective punnishment of the people of  
Afghanistan is neither moral, nor just.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Well its so refreshing to hear you dont codone the terrorist 
attacks on th U.S. I know I'll sleep better tonight. Now how did 
you come to the conclusion that we are punishing the Afghan 
people. You lefties crack me up!!!!
=================================================================
Few people know, that John Walker Lindh was 
shackled, then duck taped to a board on his 22 hour flight from 
the Persian Gulf to Afghanistan, not allowed even to visit a 
restroom. 
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What?!!!!! He didnt get the earphones and a movie? Those 
insensitive BAAASTAAARRRRDDDSSS!!!! 200MPH NASCAR DUCTAPE I 
HOPE!!!! The fuckhead is reapin what he sowed. Tough shit.

Bin Laden Met with the CIA in July and Walked Away

by

Michael C. Ruppert

[  COPYRIGHT 2001, All Rights Reserved, Michael C. Ruppert and 
From The Wilderness Publications, www.copvcia.com. May be copied 
and distributed for non-profit purposes only.]

[Expanded and Revised February 11, 2002]

FTW, November 2, 2001   1200 PST -- On October 31, the French 
daily Le Figaro dropped a bombshell. While in a Dubai hospital 
receiving treatment for a chronic kidney infection last July, 
Osama bin Laden met with a top CIA official - presumably the 
Chief of Station. The meeting, held in bin Laden s private 
suite, took place at the American hospital in Dubai at a time 
when he was a wanted fugitive for the bombings of two U.S. 
embassies and this year s attack on the U.S.S. Cole. Bin Laden 
was eligible for execution according to a 2000 intelligence 
finding issued by President Bill Clinton before leaving office 
in January. Yet on July 14th he was allowed to leave Dubai on a 
private jet and there were no Navy fighters waiting to force him 
down. 

In 1985 Oliver North   the only member of the Reagan-Bush years 
who doesn t appear to have a hand in the current war - sent the 
Navy and commandos after terrorists on the cruise ship Achille 
Lauro. In his 1991 autobiography  Under Fire,  while describing 
terrorist Abu Abbas, North wrote,  I used to wonder: how many 
dead Americans will it take before we do something?  One could 
look at the number of Americans Osama bin Laden is alleged to 
have killed before September 11 and ask the same question.

It gets worse, much worse. A more complete timeline listing 
crucial events both before and after the September 11th suicide 
attacks, which have been blamed on bin Laden, establishes CIA 
foreknowledge of them and strongly suggests that there was 
criminal complicity on the part of the U.S. government in their 
execution. It also makes clear that the events which have taken 
place since September 11th are based upon an agenda that has 
little to do with the attacks.

One wonders how these events could have been ignored by the 
major media or treated as isolated incidents. Failing that, how 
could skilled news agencies avoid being outraged, or at least 
even just a little suspicious? 

1. 1991-1997   Major U.S. oil companies including ExxonMobil, 
Texaco, Unocal, BP Amoco and Shell directly invest almost $3 
billion in cash bribing heads of state in Kazakhstan to secure 
equity rights in the huge oil reserves in these regions. The oil 
companies further commit to future direct investments in 
Kazakhstan of $35 billion. Not being willing to pay exorbitant 
prices to Russia to use Russian pipelines the major oil 
companies have no way to recoup their investments. [Sources 
Testimony before the House International Relations Committee 
2/12/98]

2. December 4, 1997   Representatives of the Taliban are invited 
guests to the Texas headquarters of Unocal to negotiate their 
support for the pipeline. Subsequent reports will indicate that 
the negotiations failed, allegedly because the Taliban wanted 
too much money. [Source: The BBC, Dec. 4, 1997]

3. February 12, 1998   Unocal Vice President John J. Maresca   
later to become a Special Ambassador to Afghanistan   testifies 
before the House that until a single, unified, friendly 
government is in place in Afghanistan the trans-Afghani pipeline 
needed to monetize the oil will not be built. [Source: Testimony 
before the House International Relations Committee.] 

4. 1998 - The CIA ignores warnings from Case Officer Robert Baer 
that Saudi Arabia was harboring an al-Q aeda cell led by two 
known terrorists. A more detailed list of known terrorists is 
offered to Saudi intelligence in August 2001 and refused. 
[Source: Financial Times 1/12/01; See No Evil by a book by 
Robert Baer (release date Feb. 2002).

5. 1998 and 2000 - Former President George H.W. Bush travels to 
Saudi Arabia on behalf of the privately owned Carlyle Group, the 
11th largest defense contractor in the U.S. While there he meets 
privately with the Saudi royal family and the bin Laden family. 
[Source: Wall Street Journal, Sept. 27, 2001. See also FTW, Vol. 
IV, No 7    The Best Enemies Money Can Buy, 
- http://www.copvcia.com/members
/carlyle.html. ]

6. January, 2001   The Bush Administration orders the FBI and 
intelligence agencies to  back off  investigations involving the 
bin Laden family, including two of Osama bin Laden s relatives 
(Abdullah and Omar) who were living in Falls Church, VA   right 
next to CIA headquarters. This followed previous orders dating 
back to 1996, frustrating efforts to investigate the bin Laden 
family. [Source: BBC Newsnight, Correspondent Gregg Palast   Nov 
7, 2001].

7. Feb 13, 2001   UPI Terrorism Correspondent Richard Sale   
while covering a trial of bin Laden s Al Q aeda followers - 
reports that the National Security Agency has broken bin Laden s 
encrypted communications. Even if this indicates that bin Laden 
changed systems in February it does not mesh with the fact that 
the government insists that the attacks had been planned for 
years.

8. May 2001   Secretary of State Colin Powell gives $43 million 
in aid to the Taliban regime, purportedly to assist hungry 
farmers who are starving since the destruction of their opium 
crop in January on orders of the Taliban regime. [Source: The 
Los Angeles Times, May 22, 2001].

9. May, 2001   Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, a 
career covert operative and former Navy Seal, travels to India 
on a publicized tour while CIA Director George Tenet makes a 
quiet visit to Pakistan to meet with Pakistani leader General 
Pervez Musharraf. Armitage has long and deep Pakistani 
intelligence connections and he is the recipient of the highest 
civil decoration awarded by Pakistan. It would be reasonable to 
assume that while in Islamabad, Tenet, in what was described 
as  an unusually long meeting,  also met with his Pakistani 
counterpart, Lt. General Mahmud Ahmad, head of the ISI. [Source 
The Indian SAPRA news agency, May 22, 2001.]

10. June 2001   German intelligence, the BND, warns the CIA and 
Israel that Middle Eastern terrorists are  planning to hijack 
commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack important 
symbols of American and Israeli culture.  [Source: Frankfurter 
Allgemeine Zeitung, September 14, 2001.]

11. July, 2001   Three American officials: Tom Simmons (former 
U.S. Ambassador to Pakistan), Karl Inderfurth (former Assistant 
Secretary of State for South Asian affairs) and Lee Coldren 
(former State Department expert on South Asia), meet with 
Pakistani and Russian intelligence officers in Berlin and tell 
them that the U.S. is planning military strikes against 
Afghanistan in October. A French book released in November,  Bin 
Laden - La Verite  Interdite,  discloses that Taliban 
representatives often sat in on the meetings. British papers 
confirm that the Pakistani ISI relayed the threats to the 
Taliban. [Source: The Guardian, September 22, 2001; the BBC, 
September 18, 2001.The Inter Press Service, Nov 16, 2001]

12. Summer 2001 - According to a Sept. 26 story in Britain s The 
Guardian, correspondent David Leigh reported that,  U.S. 
department of defense official, Dr. Jeffrey Starr, visited 
Tajikistan in January. The Guardian s Felicity Lawrence 
established that US Rangers were also training special troops in 
Kyrgyzstan. There were unconfirmed reports that Tajik and Uzbek 
special troops were training in Alaska and Montana. 

13. Summer 2001 (est.)   Pakistani ISI Chief General Ahmad (see 
above) orders an aide to wire transfer $100,000 to Mohammed 
Atta, who was according to the FBI, the lead terrorist in the 
suicide hijackings. Ahmad recently resigned after the transfer 
was disclosed in India and confirmed by the FBI. [Source: The 
Times of India, October 11, 2001.]

14. Summer 2001   An Iranian man phones U.S. law enforcement to 
warn of an imminent attack on the World Trade Center in the week 
of September 9th. German police confirm the calls but state that 
the U.S. Secret Service would not reveal any further 
information. [Source: German news agency  online.de , September 
14, 2001, translation retrieved from online.ie in Ireland.]

15. June 26, 2001   The magazine indiareacts.com states 
that  India and Iran will  facilitate  US and Russian plans 
for  limited military action  against the Taliban.  The story 
indicates that the fighting will be done by US and Russian 
troops with the help of Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. [Source: 
indiareacts.com, June 26, 2001.]

16. August 2001   The FBI arrests an Islamic militant linked to 
bin Laden in Boston. French intelligence sources confirm that 
the man is a key member of bin Laden s network and the FBI 
learns that he has been taking flying lessons. At the time of 
his arrest the man is in possession of technical information on 
Boeing aircraft and flight manuals. [Source: Reuters, September 
13.]

17. August 11 or 12   US Navy Lt. Delmart  Mike  Vreeland, 
jailed in Toronto on U.S. fraud charges and claiming to be an 
officer in U.S. Naval intelligence, writes details of the 
pending WTC attacks and seals them in an envelope which he gives 
to Canadian authorities. [Source: The Toronto Star, Oct. 23, 
2001; Toronto Superior Court Records]

18. Summer 2001   Russian intelligence notifies the CIA that 25 
terrorist pilots have been specifically training for suicide 
missions. This is reported in the Russian press and news stories 
are translated for FTW by a retired CIA officer.

19. July 4-14, 2001   Osama bin Laden receives treatments for 
kidney disease at the American hospital in Dubai and meets with 
a CIA official who returns to CIA headquarters on July 15th. 
[Source: Le Figaro, October 31st, 2001.]

20. August 2001   Russian President Vladimir Putin orders 
Russian intelligence to warn the U.S. government  in the 
strongest possible terms  of imminent attacks on airports and 
government buildings. [Source: MS-NBC interview with Putin, 
September 15.]

21. August/September, 2001   The Dow Jones Industrial Average 
drops nearly 900 points in the three weeks prior to the attack. 
A major stock market crash is imminent.

22. Sept. 3-10, 2001   MS-NBC reports on September 16 that a 
caller to a Cayman Islands radio talk show gave several warnings 
of an imminent attack on the U.S. by bin Laden in the week prior 
to 9/11.

23. September 1-10, 2001   In an exercise, Operation  Swift 
Sword  planned for four years, 23, 000 British troops are 
steaming toward Oman. Although the 9/11 attacks caused a hiccup 
in the deployment the massive operation was implemented as 
planned. At the same time two U.S. carrier battle groups arrive 
on station in the Gulf of Arabia just off the Pakistani coast. 
Also at the same time, some 17,000 U.S. troops join more than 
23,000 NATO troops in Egypt for Operation  Bright Star.  All of 
these forces are in place before the first plane hits the World 
Trade Center. [Sources: The Guardian, CNN, FOX, The Observer, 
International Law Professor Francis Boyle, the University of 
Illinois.]

24. September 7, 2001   Florida Governor Jeb Bush signs a two-
year emergency executive order (01-261) making new provisions 
for the Florida National Guard to assist law enforcement and 
emergency-management personnel in the event of large civil 
disturbances, disaster or acts of terrorism. [Source: State of 
Florida web site listing of Governor s Executive Orders.]

25. September 6-7, 2001   4,744 put options (a speculation that 
the stock will go down) are purchased on United Air Lines stock 
as opposed to only 396 call options (speculation that the stock 
will go up). This is a dramatic and abnormal increase in sales 
of put options. Many of the UAL puts are purchased through 
Deutschebank/AB Brown, a firm managed until 1998 by the current 
Executive Director of the CIA, A.B.  Buzzy  Krongard. [Source: 
The Herzliyya International Policy Institute for 
Counterterrorism, http://www.ict.org.il/, September 21; The New 
York Times; The Wall Street Journal.]

26. September 10, 2001 - 4,516 put options are purchased on 
American Airlines as compared to 748 call options. [Source: ICT  
 above]

27. September 6-11, 2001 - No other airlines show any similar 
trading patterns to those experienced by UAL and American. The 
put option purchases on both airlines were 600% above normal. 
This at a time when Reuters (September 10) issues a business 
report stating,  Airline stocks may be poised to take off. 

28. September 6-10, 2001   Highly abnormal levels of put options 
are purchased in Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley, AXA Re
(insurance) which owns 25% of American Airlines, and Munich Re. 
All of these companies are directly impacted by the September 11 
attacks. [Source: ICT, above; FTW, Vol. IV, No.7, October 18, 
2001, http://www.copvcia.com/members/
oct152001.html. ] 

29. It has been documented that the CIA, the Israeli Mossad and 
many other intelligence agencies monitor stock trading in real 
time using highly advanced programs reported to be descended 
from Promis software. This is to alert national intelligence 
services of just such kinds of attacks. Promis was reported, as 
recently as June, 2001 to be in Osama bin Laden s possession 
and, as a result of recent stories by FOX, both the FBI and the 
Justice Department have confirmed its use for U.S. intelligence 
gathering through at least this summer. This would confirm that 
CIA had additional advance warning of imminent attacks. 
[Sources: The Washington Times, June 15, 2001; FOX News, October 
16, 2001; FTW, October 26, 2001, - 
http://www.copvcia.com/members/
magic_carpet.html; FTW, Vol. IV, No.6, Sept. 18, 2001 - 
http://www.copvcia.com/members/
sept1801.html; FTW, Vol. 3, No 7, 9/30/00 - 
www.copvcia.com/stories/
may_2001/052401_promis.html. 

30. September 11, 2001   Gen Mahmud of the ISI (see above), 
friend of Mohammed Atta, is visiting Washington on behalf of the 
Taliban. [Source: MS-NBC, Oct. 7.]

31. September 11, 2002   Employees of Odigo, Inc. in Israel, one 
of the world s largest instant messaging companies, with offices 
in New York, receive threat warnings of an imminent attack on 
the WTC less than two hours before the first plane hits the WTC. 
Law enforcement authorities have gone silent about any 
investigation of this. The Odigo Research and Development 
offices in Israel are located in the city of Herzliyya, a ritzy 
suburb of Tel Aviv which is the same location as the Institute 
for Counter Terrorism which breaks early details of insider 
trading on 9-11. [Source: CNN s Daniel Sieberg, 9/28/01; 
Newsbytes, Brian McWilliams, 9/27/01; Ha aretz, 9/26/01.]. 

32. September 11, 2001 - For 35 minutes, from 8:15 AM until 9:05 
AM, with it widely known within the FAA and the military that 
four planes have been simultaneously hijacked and taken off 
course, no one notifies the President of the United States. It 
is not until 9:30 that any Air Force planes are scrambled to 
intercept, but by then it is too late. This means that the 
National Command Authority waited for 75 minutes before 
scrambling aircraft, even though it was known that four 
simultaneous hijackings had occurred   an event that has never 
happened in history. [Sources: CNN, ABC, MS-NBC, The Los Angeles 
Times, The New York Times.]

33. September 13, 2001   China is admitted to the World Trade 
Organization quickly, after 15 years of unsuccessful attempts. 
[Source: The New York Times, Sept. 30, 2001.]

34. September 14, 2001   Canadian jailers open the sealed 
envelope from Mike Vreeland in Toronto and see that is describes 
attacks against the WTC and Pentagon. The U.S. Navy subsequently 
states that Vreeland was discharged as a seaman in 1986 for 
unsatisfactory performance and has never worked in intelligence. 
[Source: The Toronto Star, Oct. 23, 2001; Toronto Superior Court 
records]

35. September 15, 2001   The New York Times reports that Mayo 
Shattuck III has resigned, effective immediately, as head of the 
Alex (A.B) Brown unit of Deutschebank.

36. September 29, 2001   The San Francisco Chronicle reports 
that $2.5 million in put options on American Airlines and United 
Airlines are unclaimed. This is likely the result of the 
suspension in trading on the NYSE after the attacks which gave 
the Securities and Exchange Commission time to be waiting when 
the owners showed up to redeem their put options.

37. October 10, 2001   The Pakistani newspaper The Frontier Post 
reports that U.S. Ambassador Wendy Chamberlain has paid a call 
on the Pakistani oil minister. A previously abandoned Unocal 
pipeline from Turkmenistan, across Afghanistan, to the Pakistani 
coast, for the purpose of selling oil and gas to China, is now 
back on the table  in view of recent geopolitical developments. 

38. Mid October, 2001   The Dow Jones Industrial Average, after 
having suffered a precipitous drop has recovered most of its pre-
attack losses. Although still weak, and vulnerable to negative 
earnings reports, a crash has been averted by a massive infusion 
of government spending on defense programs, subsidies 
for  affected  industries and planned tax cuts for corporations.

39. November 21, 2001   The British paper The Independent runs a 
story headlined,  Opium Farmers Rejoice at the Defeat of the 
Taliban.  The story reports that massive opium planting is 
underway all over the country.

40. November 25, 2001   The Observer runs a story 
headlined  Victorious Warlords Set To Open the Opium 
Floodgates.  It states that farmers are being encouraged by 
warlords allied with the victorious Americans are  being 
encouraged to plant  as much opium as possible. 

41. December 4, 2001   Convicted drug lord and opium kingpin 
Ayub Afridi is recruited by the US government to help establish 
control in Afghanistan by unifying various Pashtun warlords. The 
former opium smuggler who was one of the CIA s leading assets in 
the war against the Russians is released from prison in order to 
do this. [Source: The Asia Times Online, 12/4/01].

42. December 25, 2001   Newly appointed afghani Prime Minister 
Hamid Karzai is revealed as being a former paid consultant for 
Unocal. [Source: Le Monde.]

43. January 3, 2002   President Bush appoints Zalamy Khalilzad 
as a special envoy to Afghanistan. Khalilzad, a former employee 
of Unocal, also wrote op-eds in the Washington Post in 1997 
supporting the Taliban regime. [Source: Pravda, 1/9/02]

44. January 4, 2002   Florida drug trafficking explodes after 9-
11. In a surge of trafficking reminiscent of the 1980s the 
diversion of resources away from drug enforcement has opened the 
floodgates for a new surge of cocaine and heroin from South 
America. [The Christian Science Monitor, January 4, 2002.

45. January 10, 2002   In a call from a speaker phone in open 
court, attorneys for  Mike  Vreeland call the Pentagon s 
switchboard operator who confirms that Vreeland is indeed a 
Naval Lieutenant on active duty. She provides an office number 
and a direct dial phone extension to his office in the Pentagon. 
[Source: Attorney Rocco Galati; court records Toronto Superior 
Court.]

46. February 9, 2002   Pakistani leader General Musharraf and 
Afghan leader Hamid Karzai announce their agreement 
to  cooperate in all spheres of activity  including the proposed 
Central Asian pipeline. Pakistan will give $10 million to 
Afghanistan to help pay Afghani government workers. [Source: The 
Irish Times, 2/9/02]

Now, let s go back to the October 31 story by Le Figaro   the 
one that has Osama bin Laden meeting with a CIA officer in Dubai 
this June.

The story says that,  Throughout his stay in the hospital, Osama 
Bin Laden received visits from many family members [There goes 
the story that he s a black sheep!] and Saudi Arabian Emirate 
personalities of status. During this time the local 
representative of the CIA was seen by many people taking the 
elevator and going to bin Laden s room.

 Several days later the CIA officer bragged to his friends about 
having visited the Saudi millionaire. From authoritative 
sources, this CIA agent visited CIA headquarters on July 15th, 
the day after bin Laden s departure for Quetta 

 According to various Arab diplomatic sources and French 
intelligence itself, precise information was communicated to the 
CIA concerning terrorist attacks aimed at American interests in 
the world, including its own territory.  

 Extremely bothered, they [American intelligence officers in a 
meeting with French intelligence officers] requested from their 
French peers exact details about the Algerian activists 
[connected to bin Laden through Dubai banking institutions], 
without explaining the exact nature of their inquiry. When asked 
the question,  What do you fear in the coming days?  the 
Americans responded with incomprehensible silence.  

 On further investigation, the FBI discovered certain plans that 
had been put together between the CIA and its  Islamic friends  
over the years. The meeting in Dubai is, so it would seem, 
consistent with  a certain American policy.  

Even though Le Figaro reported that it had confirmed with 
hospital staff that bin Laden had been there as reported, 
stories printed on November 1 contained quotes from hospital 
staff that these reports were untrue. On November 1, as reported 
by the Ananova press agency, the CIA flatly denied that any 
meeting between any CIA personnel and Osama bin Laden at any 
time.

In the most ironic twist of all, FTW has learned that Le Figaro 
is owned by the Carlyle Group, the American defense contractor 
which employs George Bush Sr., and which had as investors   
until they sold their stake on October 26 - the bin Laden family.

Who do you believe? 

"Remember, that the word Islam, means peace."

Afghan Minister beaten to death (at Kabul airport by Muslim 
extremists)
BBC News | 2/14/2002 | BBC

Qatar-based television channel Al-Jazeera and the AP news agency 
reported that angry pilgrims had assaulted the minister when 
rumours swept the airport that he had cancelled a flight taking 
pilgrims to Saudi Arabia to perform the Hajj - the traditional 
pilgrimage made by Muslims. 

US targets Saddam 

Pentagon and CIA making plans for war against Iraq this year 

Julian Borger in Washington and Ewen MacAskill
Thursday February 14, 2002
The Guardian 

The Pentagon and the CIA have begun preparations for an assault 
on Iraq involving up to 200,000 US troops that is likely to be 
launched later this year with the aim of removing Saddam Hussein 
from power, US and diplomatic sources told the Guardian 
yesterday.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,542-209140,00.html

This article seems to take a shot at Mr. Blairs approach to 
preparing the U.K. for what is looking like the inevitable.

What kind history was that? I don't know about longer history 
but I know that the US did not invade Iraq but push them back to 
their homeland after they invade another Muslim country. If US 
and it allies did not do anything, probably Kuwait will 
disappear from the world and become another province of Iraq and 
who knows slowlly it will UAE, Qatar and even Saudi. Then 
probably some idiots will come up with a story and say Saddam is 
working for Isreal.

About Indonesia. How can a small minority of citizen (Christain) 
kill the mass majority (muslims) in this biggest muslims country.

 It all started from a few thousand Muslim students let by some 
idiots to overthrow Suharto goverment. Once the goverment was 
gone there were riots against race. Shops and houses own by 
chinese are burned, looted and  thier Women raped, tortured. 
Would you like to see picture where women private part became 
astray for those rapists and killed. Yes they were all muslims.

Then it spread all over indonesia. Everywhere there were 
killing. At least 10 of thousands are kill, then it became a 
territorial war. Different muslim group killing one another. The 
Madurese, Dayaks, Maluku, Acehnese, Timorese and many more. This 
is muslim against muslims. The christain were caught in the 
middle of these anger and many churches and christain were kill. 
Yes, there were some retaliation by christain group but they 
were too small in such a big muslim population.

So what actually lead to all this, the Jew? No, it is proverty, 
corrupt goverment, jelousy and the built up of hatred against 
other race and religion.

So history teacher. Your information are very biased and one 
sided against the Christain but unfortunately the majority 
reading are not idiots.

What supprised me is how come, only the muslim is getting such 
informations. Who is supplying you people with such hatred. I 
gurantee you they are not teaching Islam. As Om/Cf put it Islam 
mean peace. That is why children growing up as muslim especially 
in country where you have these extremist, are fed with such 
informations and with that they gather that Christain are bad, 
US is bad, anybody who oppose to these informations are bad.

I believe if everyone knows the truth, teaches truth, teaches, 
love, teaches forgiveness. Love one another, help one another, 
care for one another no matter what race or religion you are. 
Then we will have peace in the world.

May our GOD(ALLAH) or whatever you may call him, shine on those 
creating such hatred, be it christain or muslim, that they may 
know the meaning of peace, love, understanding and forgiveness.
God Bless

Where did you get that information, Where are we, killing all or 
blaming all muslims. We know it is only a small group compare to 
the whole muslim population of the world. It is these sought of 
informations that is hurting the world peace process.

Why was Aghanistan attack. It was because of the Taliban who 
refuse to hand over Osama the Al qeada leader. So as President 
bush say this is going to be a long war against terrorism and 
country who harbour them.

Sometime I find it very contradicting. Many of you, question who 
is the terrorists and later say that those group does not 
represent the majority muslim. So you all agree that these group 
who call for jihad are the terrorists. Right? So if the 
countries goverment are not doing anything to arrest these 
people then the allies troop have to go in and get them.

About those in Guantanamo, you should read more, there are 
Taliban held in Afghan who request to go to Guantanamo. Yes they 
have to be shackled while on the move because they may suddenly 
attack and killed like in the temporary prison in Aghan where 1 
CIA officer was killed

Assuming reports are correct, diplomats in the Middle East have 
been telling U.S. officials 'on the quiet', that removing Saddam 
Hussein would be welcomed IF it could be done. The Arab League, 
at least openly states otherwise. President Putin voiced a lack 
of enthusiasm regarding action against Iraq. As the article you 
refer to says, he's looking to build a much needed long-term 
economic and strategic alliance with the U.S. but possibly 
trying to say the right things to placate detractors at home. 
The U.S. at this early stage will certainly find out who it's 
good friends are. Others may well be friends, but not friendly 
enough to actually help out or give open support. Kuwait at this 
stage is the only country openly willing to nail it's colours to 
the mast in support of the U.S. for obvious reasons. Things from 
your point of view as a U.S. citizen, I'm sure, are following an 
all too familiar pattern in that respect with the general 
European/E.U attempts at government level at least, expected to 
go the high minded/moralistic and diplomatic route, as they see 
it.....a fudge in other words. 

You'd no doubt agree, both the U.S.'s ability and resolve are 
there to...'go it alone', otherwise that fact wouldn't be stated 
so openly by the politicians. Richard Pearle refers to Article 
51 in the U.N. statutes which determines 'a nations right to 
self defence' as being being legal grounds for attacking Iraq. 
One can't help feeling the upcoming meeting between Dick Cheney 
and Tony Blair will be a defining one with that in mind.

Here's how I've seen things right from the begining om/cf. I 
think Mr.Cheney is looking not just on behalf of the U.S. 
administration, but also the American people to other nations 
for moral support...up front. As I've said before as you may 
recall, pre-conceptions count for a lot, and if it's perceived 
that the U.S. is not constantly alone in dealing with such 
matters that can make a huge difference in future dealings 
between the U.S. and other nations. 

If you're asking me for a prediction as to how Mr.Blair will 
respond both in that meeting and as a result of it I'd say.... 
yes, he'll give Mr.Cheney the support he needs, and yes, at some 
stage he'll state the case of why that support is being given... 
to the British people. That having been said, politically 
Mr.Bush has far more latitude on strident action than Mr.Blair. 
Mr.Blair's already under severe pressure on pressing domestic 
issues. Mr.Blair's re-election chances will depend on domestic 
matters exclusively, Mr.Bush's won't. Those things aside I do 
hope he gives open support, with at least a little military 
assistance if feasible.

The Iraq Foundation based in the U.S., which is made up of Iraqi 
exiles set upon democratic principle and humanitarian efforts 
one would assume have supporters in Iraq, but also assuming 
reports are correct..are not numerous or strong enough to form a 
viable government/alternative in the wake of the end of Saddam's 
regime, whenever that time eventually arrives. If Mr.Blair gives 
his support he'd probably have to factor in the reality that the 
U.S. may have to set up and support it's own regime in Iraq for 
years to come. This is assuming that there are no other anti-
Saddam alternatives in Iraq that are both benign and are capable 
of holding Iraq together in the power vacuum that will 
undoubtedly result with Saddam Hussein's demise or capture. In 
saying yes to Cheney now, I reckon he'd have to be saying yes to 
this. That's quite a commitment and a tough call to make. 
Mr.Blair on the face of it seems to be a man of religious moral 
principle. He's an astute and forceful political operator, 
that's got how got to be such a dominant leader of his party, so 
political thoughts aren't too far away, but, if he runs true to 
form he'll make a decision on moral grounds, as he has done in 
the wake of Sept 11. Remember he's made a humanitarian 
commitment in Afghanistan via British troop deployment, which 
gives him greater credibility to moderates in the Islamic world. 
But don't just take my word for it, ask Merlyn for a prediction 
too:-)             

   

Following a theme of sorts, refering to Tony Blair's response in 
the wake of Sept 11, thus far, to be fair to him Mr.Giuliani 
said whilst over here "New York and the U.S. had no greater 
friend than Great Britain." It was nice of him to say. I think a 
lot of people across the world from many nations, not just mine 
felt sympathy in the wake of what occured. It just so happens 
the government in the U.K. did something tangible to a greater 
degree that reflected that sympathy. I don't think it should 
necessarily lessen the value of the sentiments of those in other 
countries who felt the same as I. 

Treading as carefully as I can here, hopefully not treading on 
you!, maybe you can give your opinion as to how you perceive the 
rest of the world in general as a U.S citizen. What I'm getting 
at here is, Mr.Giuliani is happy to talk of more trade between 
NY/U.S. and the U.K. as a result of the U.K.s support during one 
can assume to be, probably the worst time in your city's 
history. Again, his sentiments are nice to hear. Speaking 
personally, I'd like to think that helping another country no 
matter how big it is, in the fashion that the U.S. perceives the 
U.K. to have done, is simply doing what is right. No monetary 
kick-backs expected. I'd be lying if I said outside investment 
into Britain isn't a welcome thing, but as I say not something 
that I'd expect. Is it your perception that nations the U.S. 
deals with, say...in essence, "yeah sure we'll be your 
friend...just give us lots of money and trade"? Again firm 
action should taken against Saddam Hussein and his regime 
because it is, I feel, simply the right thing to do. Long term 
it hopefully will improve stability and security for those in 
the region also, along with the U.S. and the rest of the world 
in years to come.

Appreciate the personal thoughts you expressed regarding the 
WTC. It makes it all the more vivid from somebody who actually 
lives in the city, thanks once again. I don't know if you read 
in the archives, a post from a Mr.Adam Mayblum two or three 
weeks back who narrowly escaped with his life after travelling 
down 90 floors on foot. Don't know if that gentleman actually 
posted that or whether it was a 'cutting' from an article, it 
wasn't clear. Nevertheless, accounts such as that bring things 
home too. That fact that Mr.Guiliani saw some poor soul fall to 
the ground right in front of him, after he'd apparantly jumped 
from the 101st floor, must have been a defining moment for him 
and how he conducted himself in the wake of what was happening.

I understand Donald Trump had cancelled ambitions to build a 
virtual 120 storey monument to himself in New York. Am I 
correct, or was it to be in Chicago?, not that it really matters 
now. Interesting office politics you have going on there..by the 
sounds of it. You can at least keep a flag pinned up there I 
presume?      

One and the same, thank you sir...like to discuss issues 
environmental, at some point...if that's O.K? Right now, I'm out 
of time! 

Synopsis 
Colonel Oliver North branded Osama bin Laden as a deadly 
terrorist during his testimony before the Senate Select 
Committee investigating the Iran-Contra affair. 
Recent versions of the email name then Senator Al Gore as 
questioning Oliver North. 
See the email here. 
<http://www.urbanlegends.com/ulz/xollie.html> 
Is it true? 
No. 
Why? 
Colonel Oliver cited assassination threats by Abu Nidal, leader 
of the terrorist organization Fatah Revolutionary Council, as 
the reason he accepted the home security system from Richard 
Secord in his testimony before the Senate Select Committee in 
1987. 
The home security system cost $16,000, not $60,000 as the email 
claims. 
As for Osama bin Laden, in the early 1980's he was busy 
founding Maktab al-Khidamat (MAK) with Palestianian Brotherhood 
founder Abdallah Azzam. 
MAK recruited Arab volunteers to fight in Afghanistan and 
channel private and government aid to some AFghan Mujahideen 
factions. Osama bin Laden formed al-Qaida in 1988 after 
splitting off from MAK. Most terrorism experts date Osama bin 
Laden and al-Qaida's first forays into terrorism to a bombing 
in Aden, Yemen in 1992. 
As for Al Gore questioning Oliver North during his testimony 
before the Senate Select Committee, he was not a member of the 
committee and so did not have the opportunity to question 
Oliver North.

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_521652.html?
menu=news.latestheadlines

Man stitches lips together after wife's sex talk complaint 

A newlywed husband in southern India has stitched his lips 
together after his wife ordered him to stop swearing during sex.

His wife said she was sick of his habit and told him to shut up.

She says he looked like a monkey when she found him and wonders 
if she's married the right man.

Rudrappa Mugalkod, a 32-year old farmer from Karnataka's 
Kilabanur village, took the action when his wife Satyabhama 
complained after they'd had sex, the Patrike newspaper reports.

The paper says she asked him to "shut up" before rolling over in 
bed and going to sleep. 

Her husband got up, sat at a table and stitched his lips 
together. His wife found him the next morning huddled in a 
corner and bleeding from the mouth.

"It was terrible. With his mouth sealed and face swollen he 
looked like a monkey. I'm beginning to wonder if I have married 
some kind of idiot. It's nice to have an obedient husband but I 
didn't realise he would go this far," she said.

Mr Mudalkod, who had the stitches removed at hospital, says he 
was too drunk to feel the pain.

"It was a simple matter really. She wanted me to seal my lips 
and I did just that to show how much I respected her wishes," he 
added.

Story filed: 07:22 Friday 15th February 2002

IT WAS PROBABLY INEVITABLE, when you think about it, that a 
rumour would eventually circulate around the internet 
attempting to implicate the Israeli government, and Jews in 
general, as being the shadowy masters behind the September 11 
terrorist attacks on New York and Washington DC.

After all, it s not hard to imagine that the rumour would be 
particularly appealing to a segment of a number of Muslim 
communities (not to mention anyone with an anti-Jewish agenda), 
particularly as they struggle with a Western-culture backlash 
against Islam.

So it shouldn t come as a surprise, according to an article by 
Bryan Curtis at Slate.com, that the most likely point of origin 
for this particular rumour was a segment aired on September 17 
on Al-Manar Television, a Lebanese television station.

The next day, it appears, the rumour was picked up by the 
Information Times web site, which ran an article with a 
headline of  4,000 Jews Did Not Go To Work At WTC On Sept. 11 . 
According to the Slate.com article, the Information 
Timesattributed this mass absence to a tip-off which it claims 
was given to Jews working in the World Trade Center by the 
Israeli government prior to the day of the attack. This claim 
was based, according to International Times, quoting Al-Manar 
Television, on a series of articles that were alleged to have 
appeared in Israeli and Arabic newspapers; however attempts to 
locate these source articles to substantiate the claims have 
been (unsurprisingly) unsuccessful.

It s worth noting that it appears the Information Times web 
site may be more than passingly concerned with Muslim issues, 
as its front page bears a banner calling for the creation of an 
independent Palestinian State and for a Free Kashmir (currently 
a disputed territory between India and Pakistan [which is also 
predominantly Muslim]).

Curtis, at Slate.com, believes the figure of 4,000 was 
originally lifted from a page on the Anti-Defamation League s 
web site (Note: the Anti-Defamation League appears to be 
predominantly concerned with combating anti-Semitism), which 
reported after the attacks that the Israeli Government had 
estimated that approximately 4,000 Israeli nationals were 
living in New York City at the time.

From the Information Times web site the rumour appears to have 
spread out into the general Internet population in the form of 
a chain email and which has since resurfaced in a variety of 
media streams, usually as an example of anti-Semitic sentiment 
in some Muslim communities in the wake of the terrorist attacks.

There has been no suggestion in mainstream media channels that 
the chain email contains any truth   and when you come to 
consider it, the e-mail s credibility can be questioned quite 
effectively on two fronts:

First: how did the original author know how many Jews worked in 
the World Trade Center, or were absent the day of the attacks? 
Who, exactly, was keeping count?  4,000  is an extraordinarily 
specific number, even if it s only being put forward as an 
approximation (which it doesn t appear to be), and there s no 
suggestion anywhere else that it s even a vaguely accurate 
reflection of the number of Jews who worked in the buildings 
(in fact, the mainstream media will almost certainly find it 
difficult to accurately report the number of Jews working in 
the World Trade Center, as it s not readily discernable 
information).

Second: how likely is it that 4,000 people would all remain 
utterly silent about such an impending attack, no matter what 
their cultural / religious background might be? Presumably, 
there s a good reason why terrorist organisations work in 
relatively small  cells.  In essence, the less people who know 
the details of an attack, the less likely it is that the 
information will be leaked beforehand to the authorities. And 
why would the Israeli Government warn so many of these Jews, 
however many there were who worked in the World Trade Center, 
if it was engineering the attacks to make it appear as if they 
had been carried out by Muslim extremists? After all, if it 
truly wanted to cover its tracks, then a large number of Jewish 
casualties would only be of help. As it is, evidence of the 
sudden absence of a large number of Jews (or any other group 
with a common religious / cultural / political / you-name-it 
background) as described in the chain email would be exactly 
the sort of  smoking gun  for which investigators would be 
looking.

When all is said and done, this chain email appears very much 
to be nonsense. To put in context, however, it may be only 
moderately more nonsensical than claims made via chain e-mails 
that there were widespread celebrations in mainstream Muslim 
communities in the US and other Western countries as the 
attacks took place.

Here we are runnin' roun' scratchin our heads wishing the 
problems away.
With Bush a shoutin' evil is a demon our taxes can bid.
Yet our boys & girls are sitten and watchen' all that we say.
Such profanity and insanity no amount of money can rid.

While our big business is a reeling and our economy a feeling 
the pain.
The kids are wonderin' are we truly insane.
Could we really take on the world and cleanse the earth of evil 
and thugs?
Or should we better spend our time teaching our children about 
illegal Drugs! 

If for one minute we think we can wheel and deal with maggots, 
faggots and crime
each dollar and dime, hour and minute would be a complete waste 
of time.
Our precious tax money and God given life had better be spent,
on those young people who soon will be faced with the world, 
every cent.

Never before has it been more important and a life determining 
factor,
That we had better tell the world we can rise to the task. 
For now it is so painfully obvious we've been wasting our time 
chasing after,
fools who only have eyes for money, politicians and business, 
could we be fool to ask?

That in our life we have given all too much time to these things,
that only trouble and heartbreak brings.
While our very own children go without our guidance and 
attention.
And we stand in wonder, the crime and dimension.

Ahhhh.. I sense the subjective irony, yet a feature of our very 
mortality. Still we seek the thread of life, ever weaving the 
fabric we call humanity. Each spark forever changing matter into 
it's next state. Like a flowing river, yet so much like the 
ridge at the water fall, watching it pass, while defining it's 
very path.....
Be the water or the ridge.....just know your part
Merlyn /|\

What did Bin Laden do? We do not have proff that it was him or 
his gang. Just because he as theartened the USA and others we 
don't need to jump to him. I think that it would be some one in 
the United States. Not just a little person but a big group of 
people more then one thousand.But if you give me proff to let me 
be able to believe that it was him and his gang. Tell me 
If you would like to reply to me my e-mail is 
Orangepop7@hotmail.com Please

-A Little-Girl-

Another quite intelligent person that tries to use the old 
crimes of christianity for justifying the attitude or the hatred 
that muslim countries now have towards western countries.
Just one thing I have to observe, "teacher": our middle age is 
over since a long time, while muslim countries are still in 
their middle age - thanks to their religion. In your skin, I 
would better think about "the murders, killings, slaughters, and 
other offenses against the people of earth" that Islam countries 
are doing.

Walking with Merlyn one summer day, enjoying the sun and natures 
beauty, I listened intently as he spoke of mystical and magical 
things. As he shared his wisdom I was grateful to be in his 
company. He made suggestions to me on issues close to my spirit 
and I noticed he never said "My way is The way" in fact the 
message I seemed to get was "find the way", intoxicated with the 
freedome to speak of deep spiritual thoughts I thought would be 
buried inside me forever I must have sounded like a child going 
in all directions at once.
Suddenly, he stopped "don't move" he said, looking at the path 
ahead. I froze and glanced where his attention was focused. 
There on the trail, only two steps away, a rattle snake lay, 
coiled and ready to strike. "I'ts venom is deadly and plentiful, 
it also seems intent on attacking us" he cautioned.
"thats odd, he never shook his rattles to alert us" I 
wispered. "I'm wearing boots, shall I stomp it to death?" I 
asked, raising my foot and preparing to destroy the threat.
"No, please step back, we can find another way"
I respected his wishes and we backed away from the serpent. 
Anxious for an explanation, I waited until we struggled to the 
top of the steep ridge on our alternative route.
"Would it not have been easier to stomp the snake than go this 
way?"
Tickled by my question he responded "Someday, that snake or one 
of it's offspring may devour a rat. That rat may have a flea. 
That flea may carry a disease. That disease may infect someone 
you love. Let nature take it's course and don't be so impatient, 
try to be thankful for bad things that do not happen" 
As the sun set and we parted ways I thanked him for the lesson. 
He smiled at me and winked "thank you for understanding, Blessed 
be" and he turned and walked away. I watched him for a few 
moments and my inner voice answered,blessed be. Oddly enough he 
raised his hand to wave as if he heard me and knew I was 
watching.

You are a fool.  Anyone who posts messages of the length you do, 
is a loser.  Get a life.

Do yourself a favor,and get a library card.Once you learn to 
read,the posts will be less confusing,and less tedious for you.
 Sorry,had to come out of semi-retirement to defend U.K.'s 
statements.(LOL!)

Concepts on here just a little too complex for you? Sorry if 
your single brain cell got maxed out. Reading is knowledge, but 
in your case it's probably life threatening...I 
understand...really. 10 times out of 10 anybody who's too busy 
telling others to "Get a life" hasn't got a life himself, and 
you know that to be true in your case...don't you Tdub.

Now don't you lie!

...heh, but thanks for the advice, I'll bear it in mind.

You know that could have been a cynical ploy by me to bring you 
out of semi-retirement, I can assure you it wasn't..but it could 
have been!

Rather looking forward to Tdub posting again if he's got the 
courage to,....forget about the Paramount comedy channel, Afghan-
Government.com...IS the home light entertainment.

It's good to hear from you. All the best.  

I still have not located a BusinessWeek magazine yet. But 
judging from the posts at the Crisis 2001 board, people are 
checking out this site with preconcieved ideas.
 Walter, the last time we communicated via da board, I believe 
we were going to share some interesting sites info. I have see 
if I saved the file. I've been popping in on IndyMedia.com every 
so often. WOW, those boys get upset if you post somthing out of 
line with their views! They all start posting and whinning to 
the editor as to why certain posts are allowed on their site. 
Its interesting that I never see that here. A poster might be 
ripped on for their views, but there is no whinning about why 
other views are allowed in the first place.
 HEY, Tdub. Follow Colin Powells advice. Put a condom on your 
head. The one on top of your shoulders that is.

T dub, mmmmmmmm let's see you just add oo & m and you 
get ......................Too dumb, that explains it! Well we do 
have mother goose for those so challenged. 

Oh my I might be in trouble,,,,, I think I ate walters 
shirt............It was real good and I shared it with step 
brother goat..Someone left it on the bar. It was real good with 
a Black & Tan. Are you sttttill mmmmmaaaaad at MMerlyn WWWalter? 
I know these boards get addddddictive and ittt was you that 
stttttoped mmmerlyn from going a while agggoooo. 

It was you wasn't it? Seeeeeeeeeeems like a walter thing

http://www.middleeastwire.com/iraq/stories/20020215_6_meno.shtml 

They must have had some trouble the other day and I thought it 
went away, but....ITS BACK! I made a few phone calls and I'll be 
damned, look who relieved himself on it!

275. Colin Powell: This is a perfect opportunity to show the 
citizens that they are responsible for their actions. Also, if 
Johnnys dad had used a condom, this piece of trash would not be 
here!

I totally agree with you.

Walking with Merlyn one summer day, enjoying the sun and natures 
                beauty, I listened intently as he spoke of 
mystical and magical 
                  things. As he shared his wisdom I was grateful 
to be in his 
                company._________________________________________

 No,the self-indulgent,egotisical things seem to be more in YOUR 
line,as the above post demonstrates..........LOL!

OK. I'll admit I dont agree with most of the views on 
Indymedia.com. But I didnt use any naughty words and the fuckin 
bastards wont 'publish' my posts. And this, from the liberals 
who whine and cry about their rights to free speech and to 
protest. Imagine that! HEHEeee! Still a trouble maker after all 
these years!

Reguarding Indymedia. I won this round.

Though views may differ slightly, we at the very least ALL share 
the courage of our own convictions which are there...free to be 
shot down by all and sundry, and in doing so walking that wire 
without the safety net of censorship. 

Letting you know..tis good talking with all of you.

Thanks U.K..If you took the group of regulars,and put them in a 
room together,and us being from all walks of life as we are,it at 
the very least would make a quite amusing"group photo".
 But basically,we're all a little on the conservative side.

do you people think that bombing innocent people will stop 
terrorism?? you have got to be kidding! bush is an idiot, a 
little kid playing with guns, and if he doesn't knock it of, 
they might just blow up in his face! he's not a hero, he's a 
loser!! eat that!

No definitely not, we are sad too that these innocent people are 
caught in the crossfire between the terrorists and the soldiers 
but unfortunately their country harbour these people and some of 
these so call innocent victim also harbour them or some of them 
are been put there in human shield. Do you know where the Taliba 
kept their weapons. In school, mosque and hospital. If they love 
their people so much they would not do this. Same as Iraq during 
the Gulf war citizen are being place in strategic position 
refrain the US attack. We also know some of these people 
volunteer. So if they are killed in the crossfire. Sorry.

What about those innocent people kill in US, Isreal and all over 
the world by these terrorists. They are totally innocence too. 
So to prevent all these terrorism the US and its allies have 
fight against these people and if countries that harbour these 
terrorist arrest them and hand them to world court then I 
believe not innocent civilian will get kill but unfortunately it 
is so. Regret that so many still think what the US is doing is 
wrong and getting wrong information from propaganda news.

Yep you are right, we could all go pubbing.

No No No, not that post, that was a post from "lost dog" one you 
don't know. I was talking of Tdub. What lost dog, from another 
board, was speaking of is that all too many (especially on this 
board) are all too worried about the things they know little of. 
Such is the post by the "little girl". Yes it is all too much 
for most to cope with, but we need to let the Marines handle 
thier job and let kids be kids. You are obviously still all 
pissy and mad at me. But that's ok it's your right to your 
opinion. I do add a new dimension to this, otherwise hateful 
board. Just few jokes won't kill you Walter! Lighten up!

Your insight and instinct is absolutely on target. Problem is 
only that the rest of the adult world is all twisted in a game 
of politics and age old hate. Speak! Make yourself heard! This 
tired old world of blind fools needs a charge of decency! 
  Be aware though, the very fact you are so young and lacking 
knowledge makes you vulnerable. Read up! Learn, but keep your 
mind clear of the prejudice and hate. Once you really know why 
all this is going on you will feel great pain of betrayal and 
lies. It will be hard to deal with. Express your anger, and stop 
it from becoming the handed down hate to your children when that 
time comes.
         Merlyn

http://www.indymedia.org/ is this the censored site you are 
speaking of? I will check it out.............

Indymedia is a democratic newswire. We want to see and hear the 
real stories, news, and opinions from around the world. While we 
struggle to maintain the news wire as a completely open fourm we 
do monitor it and remove posts. 
You can see the decisons we have made by viewing the hidden 
articles page. In the overwhelming number of cases, stories have 
been removed for the following reasons: being comments, not 
news, duplicate posts, obviously false or libelous posts, or 
inappropriate content. 
We are working on the technology to make this process more 
transparent, so that you can see when such decisions have been 
made, and why. In future, we want our audience to be part of 
this process too. For the meantime, you can check out stories 
that we have choosen to remove by looking at the hidden articles 
page. 

What a crock of crud!

No patal post there! 

That would be the one, yes. I was a little hasty in my critism 
though. My posts were 'published' as they call it. It took a 
while though.

http://disc.server.com/Indices/149495.html

Step into a world where everything is a goverment conspiracy. 
Right down to why Marines are wearing grey uniforms and having 
detention camps set up from coast to coast. Also, a increase in 
railroad train activity in recent moths indicates box cars full 
of American citizens being rounded up and shipped to the camps.
I couldnt make it through life being so paranoid but some of its 
interesting. 'Bless the Patriots' is the saying of choice, and 
I'll be damned if they didnt win the Superbowl!

You are obviously still all 
                   pissy and mad at me. But that's ok it's your 
right to your 
                  
opinion.________________________________________

 I'm always pissy,but not mad!LOL!!!

A Pissy MO Mmmmmmmmmm, LOL indeed. Well Walter, at least you 
didn't go away mad. May the weekend bring the insight of the 
reed and the perspective of the fir. And by all means, the depth 
of the budWISER. LOL!

thank you finder

(Another quite intelligent person that tries to use the old 
crimes of christianity for justifying the attitude or the hatred 
that muslim countries now have towards western countries.
Just one thing I have to observe, "teacher": our middle age is 
over since a long time, while muslim countries are still in 
their middle age - thanks to their religion. In your skin, I 
would better think about "the murders, killings, slaughters, and 
other offenses against the people of earth" that Islam countries 
are doing.) 
  Very true. Seems the rest of the world, with a few exceptions 
due to poverty, have progressed! It is the greedy Islamic who 
pockets all the poppy & oil money and lets his people starve to 
death! Even the painfully Zionist Jews have more sense. The 
Muslim thinking "if you have wealth you are an infidel" funnels 
all the money to the greedy church WHO OBVIOUSLY DOES NOT 
DISTRIBUTE it to the Islamic poor! And this in point would fly 
in the very face of Christianity and the teachings of Christ. 
So "we will have our (one way greedy) religion and they will 
have theirs" has kept the Islamic world in the STONE AGE for 
2000 YEARS! And the Taliban was headed back to the DARK AGES! 
            With the exception of the rulers of coarse.  

Om/cf & Merlyn: I tried to check out the BusinessWeek article, 
no luck either. We'll all just get on with the burden of being 
famous instead. I'll let Indymedia off the hook in this 
case...at least for now, if they've indeed published Om/cf's 
posts. Plenty of sites and boards are un-inclusive though, just 
glad this board isn't one of them.

Get a Grip: Too Dumb?...yep, too right!

Walter: A fair assesment...and quite true of course. Still, I 
think we have at least a spectrum of conservative/right of 
centre thinkers. I never thought of myself as conservative at 
all, that is until I started reading the Observer and the 
Guardian in the U.K., since Sept 11. Mind you the Labour party 
over here is the new Conservative party as it's termed here. Not 
really sure what that makes the real Conservative party nowadays.

Everyman: Shall get back to you with that post, at some point.

Fact finders: Guess it's my drinks round again, hope you enjoyed 
your New Year.    

Hamas has bombed another teenage pizza joint in a mall killing 
2, wounding 30. I have come to the conclusion that the 
Palistinians do not need their own country. They need their own 
fucking planet! How long will it be before these nutbars get 
their hands on one of those 'suitcase nukes' the Russians are 
having a hard time keeping count of?

Seems the Hamas is just a shot lower than the lowest form of 
life, kind of a counter evolution. I am figuring they need to be 
dusted back to molecular form or sub atomic. One might just 
wonder "when" it's going to happen. 

You can't catch shit in a tiolet you assholes you and those 
pistol's think your all that your nothin you motherfuckers .

so go suck a horses cock 


           SINCERLY,ASAMA BIN LADIN IN INDIANA

Put down the waterbong and Google dude.

Federal Bureau of Investigation
Room 679, FOB
575 North Pennsylvania Street
Indianapolis, Indiana 46204-1585
(317) 639-3301 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_1824000/
1824455.stm

Musharraf berates Muslim world , wants young Muslims to study in 
the West

" Today we are the poorest, the most illiterate, the most 
backward, the most unhealthy, the most un-enlightened, the most 
deprived, and the weakest of all the human race " President 
Musharraf said.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Any bets on how many days till Musharrafs assasinated? Its a 
good article and Musharraf makes so much sense its scary. I just 
happened to pick out the most inflammatory comment he made to 
liven things up a bit.

Why do you people hate the greatest country in the world, yes 
it is not perfect there i crime and poverty but you must not 
forget that if not for the USA there wont be no Plains, cars, 
TV, Computers, Electricity and i can go on and on, but never 
forget that no matter what you do or say we are still the must 
powerfull nation in the world you could never win a major war 
against us and i you ever have the guts to use biological, 
chemical or nuclear weapond against us you will be destroy

I think that the war that is going on as we speak is just with 
the "older" people. They want revenge about everything. They 
just blamed 9-11-01 on ossama BinLaden. Jut because he made 
thretes about doing somthing. That is no reason to just bom 
countrys and kill many people such as kids and adults. Is it? 
You might think that Buch is an idiot just because he bomed 
them. I think the the States wanted him to do somthing but he 
didn't know what to do so he decided 'Well since I don't know 
who it is that did this to us. I'm going to find ossama BinLaden 
and kill him. I'm also going to send my best men & women to find 
him.' I thought that we want world peace? 

the middle east is full of shit heads dont you think so people

Muslim Girls TURN ME ON!

The Holy Quran advises us: "Men, your wives are your tillage. Go 
into your tillage any way you want." I think that means the 
Hershey Highway is OK with God. If you were so inclined, you 
could probably get away with the Dirty Sanchez and the Dutch 
Oven, too. 

http://www.attackof911.com/

to osama bin laden 

your a fucking cock sucking  fuck face that deserves to fucking 
burn in hell. 
you fucking destroyed  new york and i fucking hope to god when 
they find you i hope they chop you up into little million pieces 
and watch you suffer in pain and when you feel that pain that 
how people felt in the trade center getting bruned to death.
you fucking bastard if i had the chance i'd fucking bomb you 
into millions of pieces you fucking bastard.   

So, now Syria is the latest to chime in their displeasure with 
the U.S. threat to Iraq. The threat is there and it should stay 
there until Iraq lives up to the obligations it agreed to at the 
end of the Gulf War.
 We are seeing our, on again, off again, allies bowing down in 
the face of a real fight. Toughen up fellow Americans, we are 
going to hoe this row alone. National security for the citizens 
of the United States of America has to be maintained no matter 
the cost. Remember that. I for one do not want to have to be 
searched entering a shopping mall as in Isreal. I do not want a 
20 minute drive to work to take 3 hours through 6 security 
checkpoints just to insure the safety of our citizens.
 'Cant happen here', is what I hear from fellow citizens who 
have no idea if it could or couldn't. Wake the hell up! It did. 
It will. Unless we put a fear, worse than the worst Allah could 
deal out into, these uncivilized, unhuman terrorist bastards. We 
have to make the price to be paid for terrorist actions against 
America so outragously high, that they will think very hard 
about future actions. Will they want to pay the price of having 
their organizations and training camps being taken and 
dismantled, as in Afghanistan with bin Laden and al-Quida. Will 
the countries allowing terrorists want to pay the price we are 
going to charge.
 Dont get a warm and fuzzy feeling yet fellow citizens, as well 
as citizens of other freindly nations. If you want your children 
and grandchildren to grow up in a reasonably safe world, we are 
at a very important time right now. Isreal lives in a constant 
state of alert, with terrorist attacks on a daily basis. Imagine 
getting a phone call, telling you your child has been killed in 
a explosion at a 'pizza parlor'. If you dont think it can happen 
here, you are far to complacent. The terrorists mindset is to 
kill all who dont follow Islam. They are taught this is the 
right thing to do. Americans are at the top of the list. NOW, 
RIGHT NOW is the time to drive this Islamic terrorist bullshit 
into the ground. It may well be now, or have our children live 
in fear of these retarded jackasses, trying to deal with a 
problem that WE should have had the courage/balls to defeat.
 Anyone who thinks 'well, if we leave them alone they'll leave 
us alone is living in a fantasy world. Every country in the 
world wants something from the United States. Be it technology, 
food, monetary loans. They all want a piece of what we've built 
through smarts and hard work, the 'old fashioned way', as the 
saying goes. But they want it the new way. No hard work, no 
smarts. A way as old as humans on this planet I think. Terrorism 
(the schoolyard bully inclusive).
 I am no expert in political affairs, but I believe if we set 
the price to be paid for terrorism high enough there will be 
less buyers. Right now, we are in the position to set the price. 
A sellers market. Well let us set the price so high, no 
terrorist organization can afford it.

Your post to Italian guy, I agreed with you, that is what the 
poor muslims country are thinking. They never search inside 
themselves and ask why are they poor? Like indonesia, chinese 
represent less than 5 percent of the population, christianity 
only about 10 percent and yet these people are the one who is 
controlling the economy in the country. After the 1998 riots 
many of these chinese and christian were killed out of jelousy 
because of their wealth. So I agree with President Musharaf on 
OM/CF post that these people have to search inside themselves to 
improve and not live in history.

I also wonder how all the shiek or the sultan feel about these 
terorrists, are they supportive or against? And all the poor 
muslims around the world why blame the not muslims for not 
helping enough. What about the muslim organization are they 
helping enough. So to the little girl, you should ask all these 
question. If your counrty is unstable, and people are afraid to 
invest, do businesss and corrupted, then it will never grow 
prosper and the people will remain poor.

Look at afghanistan again, the world is helping to rebuilt the 
coutry and they are attacking the peace keepin force, killing 
their aviation minister a muslim too. Why?

Let hope more people are Musharaf, a muslim, and knows what 
should be done to help the future muslim world. May Allah shine 
his blessing on him and protect him from harm.

Let say I threaten to kill Mr A and I say many times to many 
people. One day Mr A was killed, who do you think the police 
will come after. So the police ask me to surrender for 
questioning, I go into hiding in my friend Omar house and Omar 
refuse to hand me to the police. So the police have to take 
action and I ran away with Omar and his family. Later the police 
found video tape of me describing my plan, evidence and people 
who hate A coming to congratulate me for killing A. I may not 
have done it myself because I not brave enough to carry out that 
suicide mission but I get 19 idiots tell them that they are 
doing it in the name of GOD and that they will become matyrs if 
the kill A. So the mission is done.
 
So does this still mean that I am innocent?

The above story is about Osama if you did not get it.

I really wonder, if Osama were to turn up at your house and ask 
you to hide him and you notice he pray 5 times a day, will you  
hide it or report him immdiately to the authoriy.

I noticed in many post on these different board, many so called 
muslim are cursing and swearing vowing revenge and death to 
America and all those non believers. Yes I agree that the 
American and the non believers also replied the same but why 
these hatred?

I also noticed that if a muslim post logical comments like 
Friendly Arab (Allah Bless you) he will be shot down by the rest.

If we really learn to love, forgive and respect for each other 
believed I believe we will all be at peace.

So far I have not received any hate reply, because if you read 
my post, I don't hate muslims and I am a christain. And it is 
good. I find a lot of peace.

If you were to send hate to me don't worry, it doesn't hurt me 
at all. Probably you will get nice reply from me

Take Care all of you.

amendment to the previous post

will you hide him not hide it.

I noticed in many post on these different board, many so called 
muslim are cursing and swearing vowing revenge and death to 
America and all those non believers. Why the non-believers, 
believe in what? Let God (Allah) decided who are the non-
believers not us.

I also noticed that if a muslim post logical comment like 
Freindly Arab (Allah Bless You) he will be shot down by the rest 
of the muslims post.

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Here you go--the ultimate revenge...

Waters journey from the sea to the sky,
As a fine mist into clouds on the fly.
Feeling the mother earth call,
In a gentle touch again to fall.
...
Caressing each hillside, valley and tree,
Finding its way back to the salmons home.
Again to give life and to see,
Guided by the stones of earth, water does roam.
...
Passing each mountain, valley and farm,
Dancing over the worn round gravel bed.
A gentle laugh can be heard and does no harm,
Back to the deltas where the great sea is fed. 

Thank you for the information. I am kinda understanding. But I 
still think that it is at least 1000 people in the States that 
don't like the government and they can't think of anything good 
to do but the plan to blow up the twin towers was a bright idea 
though. If they wanted to go for the government they would have 
done something eles. 

Will you find me some information or web pages on Ossama Bin 
Landan. I have to do a 5 page paper on him. Please if you would 
be so kinda if you would do that for me. Thanks!

ALittleGirl

http://www.sacbee.com/state_wire/story/1640946p-1716650c.html

Louis Farrakhan condemns U.S. war on terrorism
By ROBERT JABLON Associated Press Writer
Published 9:40 p.m. PST Sunday, Feb. 17, 2002

"I'm a Jew, I'm a Christian, and I'm a Muslim," Farrakhan said.

I wasnt thinking revenge. I was thinking of how my Lab can start 
paying for his own food, if they are hiring. Poopoo Grande for 
sure. He can add hidden suprises...like the time he took a dump 
and was walking away kinda funny with one of the kids beaded 
necklaces dragging behind him!

I want to say that I follow no organized religion but I do 
consider myself a spiritual person in my own way.  I really 
admire how Farrakhan wants all religions, regardless of what 
religion, to unite and work toward peace.  I believe that in 
order for peace to exist we must co-exist with each other and 
respect each others' beliefs.  The biggest problem in the world 
is how people criticize each other for how they live or what 
they believe in.  I try and respect every person I know and 
judge them only by how they treat me.  I think if the world had 
a mentality like this then it would be a much better place to 
live in.  We as a collective whole need to stop judging people 
by how they look, what they worship or pray to, or how they live 
their lifestyle and start judging them by how they treat other 
people.  My friends are from all walks of life and religions.  I 
have a Jewish friend, Muslim friend, Christian friend, African 
American friend, Chinese friend, Brazilian friend, Mexican 
friend, Indian friend, Caucasian friend, Mormon friend, and so 
on and so forth.  I never questioned their ethnicity or their 
religion.  I only treated them as well as they treated myself.  
I hope this is how Louis Farrakhan feels because a man with his 
powerful rhetoric can spread the message faster than any 
Presidential speech.  

"In the City of God there will be a great thunder, 
Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, 
while the fortress endures, 
the great leader will succumb, 
The third big war will begin when the big city is burning" 

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He about says it all...

"In the City of God there will be a great thunder, 
                               Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, 
                                  while the fortress endures, 
                                 the great leader will succumb, 
                   The third big war will begin when the big city 
is burning" 

                                         Internet, 
2001___________

1: New York is the city of God?LOL!!!!That's funny as hell!
2: The big city is not burning.......
3: Didn't Nostradamas predict that the end of the world was to be 
in 1999?Can you remember that far back?Is this a NEW prediction 
for AFTER the end of the world?Do you know what a"crock"is?
4: Did you know that what is quoted above is not in any of 
Nostradamus's writings,but has been attributed to him only since 
9-11?
5: Did you know that many people even nowdays can predict the 
future?Did you know that there is medication to help people stop 
hallucinating?
6: Did you know that at"Spencer Gifts",you can still purchase 
a"Magic 8-Ball"that will help YOU predict the future?

I have discovered a top site 
please go on this site


http://11september.20m.com/

More likely the "two brothers" would refer to Isaac & Ishmael 
(or their descendents)--Palestinians & Jews still duking it out 
after all these years; Jerusalem on fire, with bombs exploding 
& burning every day...

As you know, Kedar is a descendent of Ishmael {Genesis 25:13}, 
and Ishmael is the the base for the Family Tree of Prophet 
Muhammad through Kedar. 

An important Fact that I would like you to observe now is how 
the scribes switched names to illegitimize Ishmael. 


The scribes and commentators say that Ishmael is not a 
legitimate son of Abraham and therefore the covenant was only 
with Isaac. 


Now I will show you in the Scripture that it was Really Ishmael 
who was to be sacrificed and the covenant was first done with 
Ishmael and Ishmael was a legitimate son of Abraham even after 
Abraham's death. 


1. The covenant was first made with Abraham and Ishmael; 


Genesis 17:10 This [is] my covenant, which ye shall keep, 
between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child 
among you shall be circumcised. 


Genesis 17:13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is 
bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my 
covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. 


Note:- 


2. It was really Ishmael and not Isaac who was going to be 
sacrificed and the Jewish scribes because of vanity, switched 
the names; 


Genesis 16:16 "and Abram [is] a son of eighty and six years in 
Hagar's bearing Ishmael to Abram." 


Who's son? Abraham's "son". Now as far as the sacrifice is 
concerned, Genesis 17:24 "Abraham was ninety-nine years old 
when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin." 


That makes Abraham's son Ishmael 13, how old is Isaac at this 
time? Genesis 21:5 "Abraham was a hundred years old when his 
son Isaac was born to him." 


that means during the circumcision/sacrifice, Abraham's 
only "begotten" son is Ishmael and not Isaac as the Bible says. 


KJV Hebrews 11:17 "By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered 
up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his 
only begotten son," 


Therefore we see that Isaac was not the only son, as a matter 
of fact, Isaac was not even born yet and Abraham's Only 
begotten son was Ishmael. Therefore further confirming the 
Legitimacy of Prophet Muhammad which God says I will make great 
Nations from Ishmael. 


  


Genesis 17:20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I 
have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply 
him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make 
him a great nation. 


3. Ishmael was a legitimate son even after Abraham died; 


Genesis 16:3 "And Sarai Abram's wife took Hagar her maid the 
Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of 
Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife." 


Genesis 25:9 "Then his sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him 
(Abraham) in *the cave of Machpelah, in the field of Ephron the 
son of Zohar the Hittite, facing Mamre," 


Genesis 25:12 "Now these are the records of the generations of 
*Ishmael, Abraham's son, whom Hagar the Egyptian, Sarah's maid, 
bore to Abraham;"  

Just go to any search engine and type Osama bin ladin you should 
be able to find his site there.

Tribal pride and deep rooted hatred for the enemy can make a 
person go to any lengths. In the history of mankind, false 
pride and jealousy have been the roots of many evils and untold 
sufferings. 

Predictions are always in the eye of the see'r and translation 
is often wrong. The great city is jerusalim and it will only 
mean the end of their world, not ours. However nature has it's 
own plans and you will soon see that we have very little control 
over it and the predictor attributes the natural acts as results 
of mans actions. Always struggling to relate it all to God is 
where a see'r often fails. But here we ask a question, are we 
prone to violence? I open the question to discussion...  

The Human social interplay, constantly weaving the fabric of 
life, as we know it, brings with it these contradictions. We 
always find balance and moderation to be the centering of our 
nature, the nourishing and healthy condition. So by definition 
we seek opposites to define "center" or balance. But here we 
discuss violence, and what do we see as it's opposite? Peace? 
Poetry? intellect? all of these factors? or none? Perhaps to 
accept violence as an integral factor we then must determine 
it's true opposite. 

For these answers we turn to nature. For in nature there is 
truth and balance. Let us first look for violence. A Lion taking 
down a deer, for example, could we determine it as violence or 
survival? Where do we draw this line, from pure aggression to 
the slaughterhouse made steak we cook on the grill? Or do we see 
violence is a wild wind, storm and lightning? The act of nature 
that is not of our self or any animal. A tornado, hurricane or 
even a tidal wave, Violent? 

Do we really thirst for subjection to violence or to be the 
aggressive violent and even evil of intent? This puts the term 
religion into play here and the rest..........is ...history. We 
define war and the act of killing as violent, yet death is the 
eternal peace.........

So I looked into your question and I determined that we look to 
avoid, violence, aggression and evil. Instinctively we do this 
and have for as long as we can know. Yet we stand in awe, make 
TV shows of it and play out games and sports to vent it. We 
interact with violence during war and bring ourselves into the 
balance that we see in nature. 

We then by this definition are the very opposite of violence and 
by this polar end are forever fascinated by it. 

http://osamaworld.8m.net/

(Tribal pride and deep rooted hatred for the enemy can make a 
person go to any lengths. In the history of mankind, false 
pride and jealousy have been the roots of many evils and untold 
sufferings.) 
  Yearn for a friend, our time in thought spent. 
As we see our life struggle along wondering where the time went.
In the days end we see through the glass, nature paint the sky.
Viewing the sunset while inhaling exhaust fumes, we think, why?
...
Open the front door, and find, the empty house.
We remember our lover, then wife, then spouse.
Children's eyes in wonder and fear, then pain, then gone.
In our mind we hear their laugh, then quiet, then a song.
...
The bills in the mailbox, turn on the lights & see,
Nothing, just nothing is all that waits for me. 
I couldn't say yes, or I couldn't say no, nothing mattered.
She just said she wanted more, and more, our love, battered.
...
Soon the call, the move out, and gone.
Forever a child, words of a song.
Their hopes of family forever torn away.
Sorry, I'm sorry, it's all I can say.
...
Just once, I thought, just once, could it have been?
Was it my fault, hers, or just a dream?
Were we taken away from each other.........
The news on the TV, another crime, another killing, another..

It seems as though your poetry reading has finally cleared out 
the building.
 Maybe you could make a prediction as to when they might come 
back?

http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/02/19/rec.attacks.lawsuit/index.html

I love the USA and all but this is a little too much.  How do 
they supposed to collect this lawsuit.  Hell we can't even find 
Osama or some of his lieutenants.  They are just wasting 
taxpayers money and their own time.

I think many in the U.S. have suffered 'emotional distress'. 
Lets start a class action suit naming bin Ladens daddy as 
defendant for fathering the sack of crap. With his buckage he 
will probably offer a nice 'out of court' settlement package. 
Hey,its worth a shot.
 I agree about the real lawsuit, mostly symbolic I guess. But 
sometimes people feel they just have to do 'something'. 
Sometimes it leads to good things. Many good laws have been 
passed on drunk driving and child abduction/molesting/murder. 
Many may have failed if not for the drive of grieving parents 
and family. Like John Walsh, who started the Americas Most 
Wanted show, in response to his young son being abducted and 
killed.
 Lawsuits seem to be 'the American way' nowadays. Of course the 
one you mention doesnt stand a chance bue at least its not some 
idiot sueing McDonolds because they spilled hot coffee on 
themselves.

Well ok,
  Let me set up my crystal ball,.. there, Now I'll stare 
deeeeeeeeeep into the glass...............
  I see it now, dorathy? no... ahhh here it comes.
The Law suit will reap millions of our dollars, to pay the 
lawyers. The lawyers in turn will bribe the judge to continue 
the case untill Osama pleads guilty. A new law firm will be 
started in the government.
  The other posters were activly persuing careers on the other 
boards talking to "philosipher" and some bent Allalalalah bitch. 
They can't write anything creative but some of it wasn't too 
bad. 

> Getting 'that lovin feelin' for ones enemies, will get one 
killed every time.

How true.
The Enemy goes by many names: Hate, Fear, Anger.
Keep the enemy out of your heart.

The enemy known as hate will work against you
toward your own distruction.

Hate brings only more suffering.

But
Forgiveness Will bring you Joy.

Loving Humans, 
and preserving human life, 
that is our one true Nationality.

We all feed our children,
love our friends,
shelter our families.

We all bleed red, 
no color of uniform
no race hate on the inside of your body.

Age and Death stalks us all, 
it does not ask your belief,
or what country or flag you respect -

Death hears no song, no laughter, no national anthem
It only knows one sound,
the sound of the heart,
 - stopping.
then,
endless silence...

We all cry tears 
of suffering
for our loss

So
Fill your heart
with our only ally:
love and caring.
Ask your creator 
to fill your heart with love.

For no god slays his children
The Creator does not have
people stoned, or shot, crushed, or bombed.

God is there with every breath,
with every heartbeat,
god says 'I want you to live, my child.'

From the children bleeding in Afgahnistan,
to the people trapped in New York,
to the buring passengers on the planes,
and the soldiers dismembered
and dieing in the fields...
to the criminal in the electric chair,
the Creator is with them all.

God clots the blood,
maintains the heart,
quickens the reflexes...
until the very last
he will be there
with all of you

And as the Child, Soldier, Passenger, Freedom Fighter die...
Their last thoughts may be the question
that has gone unanswered
for a lifetime,
for all the history of humanity,
the question:

Why?

The Answer:

Silence.

May Love protect you 
OM/CF,
and all of you who read this,

may the enemy that is hate
never win
over your heart
that the creator made,
and keeps beating...
may your breath 
be easy and light
and may you know good health
and peace
all of your days.
:-)

Well, I sure cant argue with your post! Very well put and much 
appreciated. I will keep these words in mind. 
Peace :-)

In the mind is a desire, a will. To create is to be in the image 
of the creator and what we create can be our gift. Lest we 
forget and create wepons, pain & fear, we then bring ourselves 
to the lowest low. 
  It has been considered the highest of all society to be the 
poet, artist or philosipher. To bring insperation to the hearts 
of all for the common good. The time honored tradition brings a 
place in society, not just money. This is only because money is 
low on the ladder of humanity. A needed means of exchange that 
often is taken and misused. 
  Low be he the man who lets money dominate his life. For in 
passing, the money runs out and nothing is left of him. Yet the 
poet leaves behind a treasure that is enduring, as does the 
artist & philosipher. 

That was a nice post, have not comment, as I always say if you 
talk peace and love you will find no comment and only 
encouragement and praises.

So far I did not received any bad foul languange from anyone 
including the hard hitting ones but I believe that they know my 
comment meant well for everyone.

Now lets all say a silence prayer for the people now at war. 
Heal the world, lets make it a better place for you and for me 
and the entire human race.

That was a nice post, have not comment, as I always say if you 
talk peace and love you will find no comment and only 
encouragement and praises.

So far I did not received any bad foul languange from anyone 
including the hard hitting ones but I believe that they know my 
comment meant well for everyone.

Now lets all say a silence prayer for the people now at war. 
Heal the world, lets make it a better place for you and for me 
and the entire human race.

Creativity and progress is often critisized but always 
appreciated. Sharon & Arafat can do neither. Nuff said

Almost 150 years ago, President Lincoln found it 
necessary to hire a
private investigator, Mr. Alan Pinkerton. He was actually the 
beginning of
the Secret Service. Since that time federal police authority has 
grown to a
large number of agencies - FBI, CIA, INS, IRS, DEA, BATF, 
 SS, ATF, etc. 
 
 Now Congress is considering a proposal for another 
agency: the
"Federal Air Transportation Airport Security Service." Can't you 
see it now,
the new service in their black outfits with their initials in 
large white
letters across their backs? 
 
 FATASS 

How are you? Hope everything fine on your side.

Ya you are right about Sharon and Arafat, creativity and 
progress can be commended too, depend on what is being ceated 
and progress into what? Nanu Nanu.

Regards and take care.

I see that amny things have changed while I was gone....Glad to 
see some of you are still around. It's good to be home again and 
reading all your posts....Just wanted to say Hi

Welcome back NC Gal, hope all went well. I just got home from 
work and had this waiting when I booted the old Hugh Packard.

Missing reporter
dead, officials say 
 
Video shows captors killed Pearl
   
BREAKING NEWS
NBC, MSNBC AND NEWS SERVICES 

It seems to be confirmed by the CIA.
 

Very sad, and a comment on the condition of the Paki-Jew 
conflict. I expected as much. A tear...and a prayer for his 
child.

"A helicopter carrying 12 U.S. Army troops crashed over water 
Thursday in the southern Philippines, the Pentagon said."

Sorry to say that I have never served in the armed forces but I 
have a question.  Is it normal for helicopters to crash this 
much?  I know of several that crashed during the Afghan campaign 
and of a couple others since that time.  They say that they are 
all a result of mechanical failure.  Can anybody shed some light 
on this?

http://jang.com.pk/thenews/feb2002-daily/22-02-
2002/main/main1.htm

News Desk adds: Sources said the video tape received by the US 
Consulate a few days ago showed Pearl interviewing some one when 
an unidentified person pulled his head back from the hair and 
severed his head with a knife. The consulate was trying to 
establish veracity of the tape for the last few days.

Well, first of all many have been dropped by operator error, 
these pilots didn't train to operate in real conditions and have 
only a limited amount of skill. Also many have indeed been shot 
down during humanitarian aid work, or just sucked sand & died. 
Afghanistan was really never a place fit for human habitation, 
much like the moon, no plants and lots of dust & sand. 

The planet Earth is undergoing many changes. Just as we are 
slowly awakening and remembering the essence of love in our own 
time and paths, so are the entities that have sought to control 
and manipulate the planet and humans through fear and darkness 
for millions of years. We know inside that the collective we, 
including Earth, are on the brink of a major shift of 
consciousness. As we begin to remember that love is the essence 
of creation, we can begin to understand that our realities and 
truths are what we create. Through this truth, we can learn to 
accept each other, the universe, and ourselves. This is part of 
the process through which creation can begin to understand 
itself again. Through love, we can heal our planet and each 
other. This call goes out to anyone who understands this and 
would like to do just that.
On Friday, March 1st you are invited to meditate, pray, perform 
a ritual, or in whatever way spirit calls you to, focused on 
bringing love to the Earth in order to heal her and her 
inhabitants and to help ground and remove the hate and darkness 
that is growing on a global scale. However small or grand as you 
wish, just as long as love and healing are the intent.

This message will be posted throughout the Internet, intended to 
reach as many of us as possible, so if you like feel free to 
Copy, Paste and spread the word. Thanks for your time, and see 
you then.

I'll throw some guesses out. Helicopters are harder to fly and 
control than fixed wing airplanes. Windy, bad weather conditions 
affect them more. But as you say, mechanical failure is being 
given as the cause. Many of our big transport and cargo choppers 
date back to the Vietnam era, at least in design. We put a lot 
of effort into designing state of the art attack choppers, which 
may have taken away from progress being made on the transports 
and cargo copters. This does make me wonder what good a top of 
the line Apache is if your losing more troops in crashes than 
your killing.
 Also, Im sure the helicopters are getting used more now in real 
war situations than in once a year war games. The more that are 
in constant service, the more the chance of mechanical failure. 
They are nothing more than a machine, the more they are used, 
the more they are going to break.
 By the way, I saw a story before posting this that 2 survivors 
have been recovered from the crash in the Philippines and there 
was hope for more.

Yes, I also wonder, how come so many helicopters, supposed to be 
of superior quality crashes and yes I agree with OM too that 
many lives has been wasted because of this problem. Can't people 
in charge of maintenance or inventing these machine do something 
to prevent future incident. Have these machine been tested in 
different terrain. These type of crashes happen many time, the 
most known was the rescue operation in Teheran during Jimmy 
Carter time.

Condolences to Daniel Pearl's family, he is a brave man who goes 
to such dangerous place to bring us the latest news.

It is sad, that people who can say they believe in the One True 
God can kill another person who just want an interview and 
bringing it to the world, so that the world can see the true 
story. Now the world knows the true story. I believe people 
around the world share this sorrow with his family.

May his soul rest in peace.

My heart is heavy at this moment, The world has seen far to  
much unnecesary pain....I send my Condolences to His Family.

Now the whole trouble in the whole world is all about muslims 
extremists and their network, don't get me wrong, it is not 
about Islam, and because of that the whole world is facing 
economic problem. Thousands and thousand are loosing their job 
everyday. Can all my muslims brothers and sisters see this. Or 
are you still thinking that they are fighting to keep Islam 
alive.

Who is stopping you from pratising your believed?. The jews, the 
christain, the hindus the american? The Anwer is a big NO. Just 
go back time and find out how each problem started. It is the 
extremists that is killing Islam's name. I am not asking you to 
give up Islam. Practice your religion and lead by good example.

In this world there are still a lot of people without any 
religion. Would they want a religion that will lead them to kill 
or be killed or do they want a religion that show love, peace 
and harmony in society.

Don't listen to all those muslim's leaders who call for jihad 
especially in your holy place in the mosque, and calling all the 
non believers in Islam, devil and all kind of names. These are 
the real devil at work. I believe Islam teaches peace.

These extremists is just using Allah names to frighten, to 
brainwash, to attract and to win support for their violence 
ambition.

Let peace and love be on our mind always.

When Mr. Pearl was first kidnapped I thought, oh well, he's in 
a dangerous place at a dangerous time. But he was trying to give 
some Islamic extremists a chance to voice their views to the 
world. They kidnapped him and video taped his execution.
 My heart goes out to his wife and family. These past weeks must 
have been hell on earth for them and now even hope is gone. My 
hope is justice will be served on those responsible, starting 
with the lowlife in Pakistan's custody. They thought their 
actions would bring about a end to Pakistan's crackdown on 
extremists but in the end they are wrong, as always. 
 I believe Mr. Musharaff is a honorable man and will do what is 
necessary.

 From Pakistan's Dawn website:

President Musharraf vows to track down Pearl killers: ISLAMABAD, 
Feb 22: President Pervez Musharraf pledged today to track down 
everyone involved in the "gruesome" slaying in Pakistan of 
kidnapped journalist Daniel Pearl. "Such acts of terror (are) 
painful experiences for the society and will not deter" a 
crackdown on Islamic extremists, Musharraf said in a statement. 
He said he has directed the government of Sindh, where Pearl was 
snatched a month ago, "to apprehend each and every member of the 
gang of terrorists involved in this gruesome murder." Musharraf 
expressed "heartfelt condolences" to the reporter's widow 
Mariane Pearl and his family and the editors at The Wall Street 
Journal.    (AFP) (Posted @ 07:10 PST, Friday) 

President Musharraf vows to track down Pearl killers: ISLAMABAD, 
Feb 22: President Pervez Musharraf pledged today to track down 
everyone involved in the "gruesome" slaying in Pakistan of 
kidnapped journalist Daniel Pearl. 

The big question is who is everyone. Actually easier said than 
done. If he would to arrest everyone. The whole place will be 
chaotic with some people supporting the "everyone" As I say it 
can on be done only with the help of part of the "everyone" 
opening up their eyes and see the real picture. What had 
happened, What will happened and don't let it happen again.

Like NC gal, I been gone awhile , too. The latest news moves me 
to return. I was noticing how the cable stations sometimes 
weren't using the "wire" at the bottom of the screen.  Now this 
and the "wire" is back.

Jesus, I can't imagine what his poor wife is going through, 
expecting their first baby and all.

So, it really is open season on Americans in the Muslim part of 
the world. Hate to say this - in fact never thought I'd say it - 
but, right now I don't give a shit about "collateral damage". 
When the time comes for some bombing runs to start -- Iraq, 
Phillipines, Somalia, wherever -- I don't care about collateral 
damage.  Those bastards are animalistic, but we can exact 
revenge 1,000 times worse. They decapitate (not confirmed) one 
guy. We can "daisy cut" thousands.  I guess that would make us 
more animalistic than them, but right now, I'm just not in a 
rational mood when it comes to my foreign policy opinions.

Oh, yeah.  And I'm glad Michelle Kwan lost.  To an American.

Michelle Kwan IS an American!

Saddened by the news of Pearl, tho' not surprised;
Watched part of the Milosevic trial--expected to take up to 2 
years!  Difficult seeing the videos of the "executioners" 
standing around laughing & smiling for the cameras as they sent 
so many to their deaths.
Noticed Milosevec WASN'T smiling as he listened to Nice make 
his opening remarks.  Apparently he doesn't see the humor in it 
now that he's being held accountable for his actions.

Michelle Kwan
Born: July 7, 1980
Height: 5'2"
Hometown: Torrance, CA
Training Town: Los Angeles, CA

Michelle is the only woman to regain a World title twice. 

Michelle is the first American woman since Peggy Fleming to win 
three World titles.

Over the past five years, Michelle has won either the gold or 
silver medal at every U.S. Nationals, Worlds, and Olympics. The 
only other woman to match this record: Carol Heiss Jenkins.

I went to the website of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan
http://www.pak.gov.pk/
They have no mention of Danny Pearl on the website.  They have a 
News Flash link and a War on Terrorism link, but no mention of 
Danny Pearl at all.  

I sent them a brief note letting them know that if they wanted 
updated news, to contact the WSJ.  I think they'll be able to 
figure out what I was doing.  There's a link to email 
Musharraf.  It's CE@pak.gov.pk   I also emailed the webmaster 
and anyone else's email addy I could find on the site.  

I'm disgusted.  Islamic terrorists beheaded an American last 
June in the Phillippines.

It is long a tradition to decapitate and display or even eat the 
head of your enemy. The absolute evil intent and outright 
display of hate should NOT BE MISTAKEN. This is a formal 
decleration of war in their mind. 
  

Now that tax time is with us again,it might be time to take into 
consideration Merlyn's post directly above.

West Bank Attacker Is Shot Dead by Shopper

JERUSALEM (AP) - A Palestinian tried to set off a bomb in a 
Jewish settlement supermarket in the West Bank on Friday, 
wounding a woman before being shot and killed by a shopper, a 
witness and police said, casting a shadow over attempts to ease 
Israeli-Palestinian tensions. 

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                   a b c d e f g h i
                   j k l m n o p q r 
                   s t u v w x y z  )  

                    

Hi gal.

"New York is the city of god?"
Well, why not?

Well, well. 
So Rome is in the sight of al-quaeda, now.

Video shows killers decapitating Pearl: witness

"For the first two minutes of the cassette he is speaking. He 
appears calm and he is saying that his mother and father both 
were Jews and he had himself gone to Israel," the Karachi-based 
Online Agency said in a written account to AFP. 

"He is also saying (in English) that Muslims in Palestine and 
Kashmir and other parts of the world are being oppressed and 
brutalised.

"As he is finishing the statement, a hand appears from behind 
and grabs his head, while another hand appears and with a sharp-
edged weapon cuts his throat."

Later the camera zooms in to show Pearl's head separated from 
his body.

A person whose identity was obscured then reads out in Urdu 
demands that "atrocities" against Muslims throughout the world 
cease, that Pakistani prisoners held at the US naval base in 
Guantanamo Bay, Cuba be released, and that the United States 
deliver to Pakistan F-16 fighter planes already paid for by 
Islamabad.

Thanks for the links. I am going to spend my friday night 
composing and sending e-mails to those you mentioned and Muslim 
groups here in America that dont say one fucking word against 
this shit, but if Pat Robertson voices his opinion on Muslims 
they are all over him like buzzards on a gutwagon. And lets 
remember, Islam is a peacefull religion.

NYC is the best place to be,the worst place to 
be,beautiful,ugly,you name it,New York has been there,done it 
been it,and is back again.I've been there,and it moves way too 
fast to give it a single label.
 But New York City is as much the City of God as L.A.is the City 
of Angels.

i bet you fuck buzzards on a shit wagon..punk ass bitch

I'll wager you are a freakin rocket scientist too. The buzzards 
are on a gutwagon, hopefully they are eating you. Punk ass 
bitch......thats some really funny stuff.

The big question is who is everyone. Actually easier said than 
done. If he would to arrest everyone.

Pakistan's Interior Minister Moinuddin Haider: 
"We know their names, we know their identity," Haider said. "We 
have got some of their close relatives, who we are 
investigating, and we are surely after them ... and once that is 
done, the whole net will be broken." 
-----------------------------------------------------------------

 The sad thing is that it was probably known who the kidnappers 
were and where they were before Daniel Pearls death by people in 
Pakistans goverment.
 I sent a supportive e-mail to President Musharraff tonight. I 
still believe he is a good man but he is up against a large 
group of citizens that believe the extremist rhetoric. After 
all, its easier to bully and blackmail to get what they want 
than it is to work hard for it.

HI guy.

His exicution is their admission to all guilt. May they be cast 
out. In the light of gods world for all to see. May their 
hidious lie be undeniably and painfully obvious, and may they be 
ground to the bottomless pit of hell and by their own 
action..damned.

http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2002/02/22/News/News.43961.html

Further tragedy was averted when a woman shopping in the packed 
supermarket apparently saw the terrorist trying to set off a 
second explosion and shot him twice in the head from close 
range. 
================================================================
Two in the head and the terrorist is dead.
You GO Girl!!!!

I see Jimmy Carter has opened his stupid mouth again.  God 
Almighty, when are these stupid liberals going to wake up and 
understand that we do have enemies in the world and that it is 
better to identify them than to say that all will be alright if 
we will only understand what drove the murdering bastards to 
kill our brothers and sisters. I just want to vomit.

                   UP YOURS, JIMMY!

I served as a door gunner in Vietnam and we lost 10 helicopters 
to mechanical failure, three to enemy gunfire, and the one I was 
in to friendly fire.  This happened in less than ten months.  We 
had eight Hueys and six Loaches (observation helicopters).  
Helicopters fall out the sky like bowling balls.

Casper Flight Platoon
173rd. Airborne Brigade
Vietnam 

Yeah, I know. I know.  Micelle Kwan's an American.  I didn't 
express myself clearly.  Let's try again.

I'm glad Michelle Kwan lost.  As long as she had to lose though, 
I'm glad it was an(other) American who won. And, Kwan did "have 
to" lose.  This was after all, the Olympics and she is, after 
all, a choke artist.  Can't win the big one.  Go home, Michelle.
You're yesterday.  Sarah Hughes is today.  And just what are the 
Rooskis bitching about ?  Now, I watch skating every 4 years or 
so, and I'm no expert.  In fact I'm not even knowledgeable about 
the sport.  But, in my humble opinion, their big-butted bitch, 
Ms. Slutsky, almost fell.  Ms. Hughes ddidn't make no mistakes.  
We win.  Now, before we start hgetting all excited about how 
we're winning more medals than in any other Winter Olympics, I 
checked out our medal winners and about half of them are in 
sports that weren't even in the Olympics, say, 10 years ago. And 
some of them are kinda bullshit, like snowboarding (4 medals 
right there), goofy skiing ( a couple). Skeleton hasn't been a 
Olympic sport for years and we got 3 medals there.  But it's 
cool, so they count.

"For the first two minutes of the cassette he is speaking. He 
appears calm and he is saying that his mother and father both 
were Jews and he had himself gone to Israel," the Karachi-based 
Online Agency said in a written account to AFP. 
"He is also saying (in English) that Muslims in Palestine and 
Kashmir and other parts of the world are being oppressed and 
brutalised.
"As he is finishing the statement, a hand appears from behind 
and grabs his head, while another hand appears and with a sharp-
edged weapon cuts his throat."
Later the camera zooms in to show Pearl's head separated from 
his body.




This was how those idiots do a propaganda video tape, first get 
the victims to say all the good things about them, then kill 
them. So, maybe Daniel should just say all those @&%^$^%& words 
about them and get killed. And they thought showing these to the 
world will show the good side of Islam. They are simply idiots.



Where are all those nice muslims who claim they are against 
these extremists. How come not even a condolence, regret, 
sadness or comments about Daniel's murder. To remain silent, to 
such a barbaric act is showing you have no comment. No comment 
mean you agree to the killing. Come On, like to hear something 
from you muslims.This is not excution it is plain murder.


All these happening is causing more harm to Islam rather then 
help. So what do you expect people around the world to feel 
about Islam. Very sad.

Pathfinder: 
Jimmy Carter, without a doubt, is one of the nicest people who 
has ever been in the public spotlight. He is a true Christian 
who walks the walk. Hell, he even admitted to 'lusting in his 
heart' when under no obligation to do so. His sense of timing 
has always sucked though. I think, Peanut Farmer, says it all.
Remember Brother Billy pissin on the Whithouse lawn? LOL!! Oh, 
and Billy Beer? Those were some good times!

 Dont Tread on Me:
 I knew what you meant about Kwan. She had everthing to loose 
and was wound up tighter than a watch spring. The 16 year old 
Hughes came in with no pressure and skated great. As far as the 
Russians and Slutskya, hey, does anybody really want the Olympic 
Ladies Figure Skating Champion to have the word 'slut' in her 
last name? Just kidding!
 Im going to look into this Curling thing. It looks like 
a 'sport' I could be very competetive at! I want to be the one 
to slide the rock or stone or whatever they call the thing with 
the handle. I have more experiance at 'sweeping' but I want to 
slide the thing, grab my beer, sit down and watch!

If a bullet could speak, or a blade recall 
would it feel, hate or give any clue
As it brings pain and death to all
Would it tell of it's dealing to you?
>
Just as the sword deals it's fatal blow
the victoms face in pain clearly knowing his fate
the expression will clearly show
the sword is weilded in hate
> 
Shurly the bullet would know
Its fate was purly and savigly delt
and it would tell us of its aim
it would as esily kill you or me just the same

can we get together sometime and have kinky butt sex?Please!

                           

I really dont like to get into religious issues. But so many of 
current world problems and events revolve around religion that 
if a person is interested in keeping up, the religious aspect 
has to be looked at. I believe in one God, on my own terms. So I 
am not unbiased, far more Christian than Muslim.
 This goes back to a post sometime ago by U.K.Citizen (the 
perimeter is secure, whats up in the U.K.?). He asked us to read 
a post on another board from an American who wondered why 
Muslims were not speaking out more against barbaric acts being 
committed by Muslims. Here we are sometime later and the 
question is still valid. There was one post on another board at 
this site from a American Muslim that I responded to, and 
thanked and applauded for his comments. These cyber boards are 
decieving in that most who post are just looking to stir things 
up and have some fun with it.
 It just seems that it would be in the best interests of Islam 
to have leaders step up and condemn acts that are done in 
connection with their religion, as you said. We often hear what 
a peacefull religion it is, but the terrible acts committed in 
its name that the average joe see's on the nightly news are what 
sticks in most people's minds. Spin Control has its place, even 
in religion.

mixing sex & religion and adding a spin? Yes indeed the Muslims 
should condum their piss ass peckers and stop spreading the 
Musels! Ha! 

Apollo Ohno (what a name!) is getting ready to skate. 16,000 
threatening e-mails, mostly from whinning Koreans got him his 
very own state trooper bodyguard. He won his heat, OHNO, the 
Axels of evil!
 If General Colin Powell says 'wear a condum', then BY GOD 
condums shall be worn. Were there any condums in the food 
packets dropped in Afghanistan?

The great and merciful Alalalahbob says clearly in the wholy 
book of jebob that the wholy shietkebob is to have condom! The 
heathen Jews! they cut off the condom of the wholy shietkebob! 
This is a great and unlawful sin!

A unsheathed shietkebob is a dangerous weapon indeed.

I think you all need some manners.  You use bad words, and I'm 
telling on you

Yessssssss,but you know whats going to happen if you 
tell,honey.Mommy will make you touch her again in that special 
place,and youll go right back into the closet again for another 
two months.

shall i use a condume when i go up in ya )in that gay little 
ass

No chance of that happnin, you came up a little 'short' in the 
1500m and the relay.

500m & 1500m relay

500m & 5000m relay

Hmmm? where all of you came from. Welcome

Sorry to miss you apollo ohno. Welcome

Actual Sports Comments Made On The Air: 
"And this is Gregoriava from Bulgaria. I saw her snatch this 
morning and it was amazing!" (Pat Glenn - weightlifting 
commentator) 

"Andrew Mehrtens loves it when Darryl Gibson comes inside of 
him." (New Zealand rugby commentator) 

"This is really a lovely horse. I once rode her mother." (Ted 
Walsh - horse racing commentator) 

"I've never had major knee surgery on any other part of my 
body." (Winston Bennett) 

"The black players at this club lend the side a lot of skill and 
flair, but you also need white players to balance things up and 
give the team some brains and common sense." (Crystal Palace 
chairman Ron Noades, speaking in 1991!) 

"The lead car is absolutely unique, except for the one behind it 
which is identical." (Murray Walker - F1 racing commentator) 

"I owe a lot to my parents, especially my father and mother." 
(Greg Norman) 

"Sure, there have been deaths in boxing! but none of them 
serious." (Alan Minter) 

"If history repeats itself, I should think we can expect the 
same thing again." (Terry Venables) 

"I would not say that David Ginola is the best left winger in 
the Premiership, but there are none better. (Ron Atkinson) 

"Ah, isn't that nice. The wife of the Cambridge president is 
kissing the cox of the Oxford crew." (Harry Carpenter at the 
Oxford-Cambridge boat race 1977) 

"Morcelli has four fastest 1,500 m times ever. And all those 
times over 1,500 m." (David Coleman) 

"Julian Dicks is everywhere. It's like they've got eleven Dicks 
on the field." (Metro Radio) 

"Strangely, in slow motion replay, the ball seems to hang in the 
air for even longer." (David Acfield) 

"What will you do when you leave football, Jack. Will you stay 
in football?" (Stuart Hall - Radio 5 live) 

"And there goes Juantorena down the back straight, opening his 
legs and showing his class." (David Coleman at the Montreal 
Olympics) 

"One of the reasons Arnie (Arnold Palmer) is playing so well is 
that, before each tee shot, his wife takes out his balls and 
kisses them.........Oh my God! What have I just said?!!!" (US 
PGA Commentator)

is this site for gay guys?

Well buffy I think it has been discussing Muslim goat servants 
and other Queen related subjects. Perhapse it does get a bit 
down wind so to speak. Jaheeb is always in the fudge and kind of 
reminds me of a jewish shoe shine boy. 

stop killing vampires. they are people too.

Come here and let me show you how nice it is to be sucked dry!

i love it when 2 vampires take turns in my juicy pussy

I see the U.K. got its fair share of winter weather this week. 
I bet the only ones who liked it were the children. Snow days 
off from school are like getting a gift when your a kid here in 
the States.

 I read a article in the Guardian online that really got my 
attention today. I am sure the same thing is happening in the 
U.S. I consider it preying on the unfortunate. I believe in 
freedom of religion, but if its being used as a vehicle to 
promote terrorism I have no qualms about cracking down on the 
promoters. The overall safety of the majority of a free 
countries citizens must always come first, no matter whose 
feelings get hurt. These quotes got my attention:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4362207,00.html

Essex boys sign up for 'holy war' ( Dozens of non-Asians are 
joining the Jihad)

'I never felt like I belonged anywhere,' said Mohamed Khan, 24, 
formerly known as Alan and a white convert in al-Muhajiroun. He 
said he was disillusioned with Christianity. 'It didn't give me 
any sense of respect. No one goes to church any more. At least 
the mosques are full, so Islam obviously has something.' 

His friend, Salim Yunus, 20, also a former Christian, said that 
in al-Muhajiroun they were led by example. 'You look at your 
average church priest, and what does he do? Who would he go to 
war with? No one. So how can Christianity claim to be a religion 
when its followers don't believe in spreading the word? The fact 
that Western politicians like Bush and Blair are scared of Islam 
means that it is a great religion. Sheikh Bakri knows that: he 
would die for it.' 

One white convert, Suleyman, a former drug addict from London's 
East End, said that a holy war was an obligation, not a 
debatable option. 'Richard Reid tried it and he was right to,' 
he said. 'Islam has enemies everywhere. It's up to Allah's 
soldiers to secure a victory.' 
-----------------------------------------------------------------

'Going to war' = 'spreading the word'

Spread the word!

The positive side of life" 


  Living on Earth is expensive, 
  but it does include a free trip 
  around the sun every year. 

  How long a minute is 
  depends on what side of the 
  bathroom door you're on. 

  Birthdays are good for you; 
  the more you have, 
  the longer you live. 

  Happiness comes through doors you 
  didn't even know you left open. 

  Ever notice that the people who are late 
  are often much jollier 
  than the people who have to wait for them? 

  Most of us go to our grave 
  with our music still inside of us. 

  If Walmart is lowering prices every day, 
  how come nothing is free yet? 

  You may be only one person in the world, 
  but you may also be the world to one person. 

  Some mistakes are too much fun 
  to only make once. 

  Don't cry because it's over; 
  smile because it happened. 

  We could learn a lot from crayons: 
  some are sharp, some are pretty, 
  some are dull, some have weird names, 
  and all are different colors....but 
  they all exist very nicely in the same box. 

  A truly happy person is one who 
  can enjoy the scenery on a detour. 

  Have an awesome day, and 
  know that someone 
  who thinks you're great 
  has thought about you today!.. 
  "And that person was me."..... 

WHO PACKED YOUR PARACHUTE? 

  Charles Plumb was a US Navy jet pilot in Vietnam.  After 75 
combat missions, his plane was destroyed by a surface-to-air 
missile. Plumb ejected and parachuted into enemy hands. He was 
captured and spent 6 years in a communist Vietnamese prison. He 
survived the ordeal and now lectures on lessons learned from 
that experience. 


  One day, when Plumb and his wife were sitting in a 
restaurant, a man at another table came up and said, "You're 
Plumb! You flew jet fighters in Vietnam from the aircraft 
carrier Kitty Hawk. You were shot down!" 


  "How in the world did you know that?" asked Plumb. "I packed 
your parachute," the man replied. 


  Plumb gasped in surprise and gratitude. The man pumped his 
hand and said, "I guess it worked!" Plumb assured him, "It sure 
did. If your chute hadn't worked, I wouldn't be here today." 


  Plumb couldn't sleep that night, thinking about that man. 
Plumb says, "I kept wondering what he might have looked like in 
a Navy uniform: a white hat, a bib in the back, and bell-bottom 
trousers. I wonder how many times I might have seen him and not 
even said 'Good morning, how are you?' or anything because, you 
see, I was a fighter pilot and he was just a sailor." 


  Plumb thought of the many hours the sailor had spent on a 
long wooden table in the bowels of the ship, carefully weaving 
the shrouds and folding the silks of each chute, holding in his 
hands each time the fate of someone he didn't know. 


  Now, Plumb asks his audience, "Who's packing your parachute?" 
Everyone has someone who provides what they need to make it 
through the day. Plumb also points out that he needed many 
kinds of parachutes when his plane was shot down over enemy 
territory-he needed his physical parachute, his mental 
parachute, his emotional parachute, and his spiritual 
parachute. He called on all these supports before reaching 
safety. 


  Sometimes in the daily challenges that life gives us, we miss 
what is really important. We may fail to say hello, please, or 

  thank you, congratulate someone on something wonderful that 
has happened to them, give a compliment, or just do something 
nice for no reason. 


  As you go through this week, this month, this year, recognize 
people who pack your parachute. I am sending you this as my way 
of thanking you for your part in packing my parachute !!! And I 
hope you will send it on to those who have helped pack yours! 

http://personal.jax.bellsouth.net/jax/l/c/lchaplin/unkarock/flag
.htm

You think your so great. well let me tell you that your not 
such a stud and I was never in your closet.  To Buffy: qiut being 
all nose up in the air. Im going to use a bad word here in front 
of all the men and say your being a bitch. Bit

As I always used to say during breaks when we were taping for 
"Flying Circus", "There's nothing that a good agnostic can't do 
if he doesn't know whether he believes in anything or not.

As I always used to say during breaks when we were taping for 
"Flying Circus", "There's nothing that a good agnostic can't do 
if he doesn't know whether he believes in anything or not.

Would you autograph my copy of 'The Meaning of Life'?  LOL!!!

isnt it time u jacked off again?

Agnostics suck cock

Hey hot mamma,
  Who packed you last? I am a hunk of Muslim muscle and 
uncercumsized erect pecker! We can sit on the great and merciful 
book of Habeeb and scrump in front of my favorite goat! We'll do 
the tantra and bend over five times a day!

Just to know I annoy you is pleasure enough!

It is the great pleasure I offer my goat to your service! But 
beware he has the craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabs! Now 
Buffy has them to!

Hey! I told you perverts to leave those sheep alone! and the 
goats too! And Patal... you better watch your step! You are 
walking in goat dooo dooo

this is nothing but a flame pit! 

I shagged your goat! and your mamma! Now I will shag you!

Schtop messing with my baby goat! 

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=105001688

the article is a very good one, I think all should read. If you 
don't mind
BY VICTOR DAVIS HANSON 
Monday, February 25, 2002 12:01 a.m. EST 

Since September 11, we have heard mostly slander and lies about 
the West from radical Islamic fundamentalists in their defense 
of the terrorists. But the Middle Eastern mainstream--diplomats, 
intellectuals and journalists--has also bombarded the American 
public with an array of unflattering images and texts, 
suggesting that the extremists' anti-Americanism may not be an 
eccentricity of the ignorant but rather a representative slice 
of the views of millions. 

Egyptian Nobel Prize-winning novelist Naguib Mahfouz reportedly 
announced from his Cairo home that America's bombing of the 
Taliban was "just as despicable a crime" as the September 11 
attacks--as if the terrorists' unprovoked mass murder of 
civilians were the moral equivalent of selected air strikes 
against enemy soldiers in wartime. Americans, reluctant to 
answer back their Middle Eastern critics for fear of charges 
of "Islamophobia" or "Arab smearing," have let such accusations 
go largely unchecked. 

Two striking themes--one overt, one implied--characterize most 
Arab invective: first, that there is some sort of equivalence--
political, cultural and military--between the West and the 
Muslim world; and second, that America has been exceptionally 
unkind toward the Middle East. Both premises are false and 
reveal that the temple of anti-Americanism is supported by 
pillars of utter ignorance. 





Few in the Middle East have a clue about the nature, origins or 
history of democracy, a word that, along with its family 
(constitution, freedom and citizen), has no history in the Arab 
vocabulary, or indeed any philological pedigree in any language 
other than Greek and Latin and their modern European offspring. 
Consensual government is not the norm of human politics but a 
rare and precious idea, not imposed or bequeathed but usually 
purchased with the blood of heroes and patriots, whether in 
classical Athens, revolutionary America or more recently Eastern 
Europe. Democracy's lifeblood is secularism and religious 
tolerance, coupled with free speech and economic liberty. 
Afghan tribal councils, without written constitutions, are 
better than tyranny, surely; but they do not make consensual 
government. Nor do the Palestinian parliament and advisory 
bodies in Kuwait. None of these faux assemblies are elected by 
an unbound citizenry, free to criticize (much less recall, 
impeach or depose) their heads of state by legal means, or even 
to speak openly to journalists about the failings of their own 
government. Plato remarked of such superficial government-by-
deliberation that even thieves divvy up the loot by give-and-
take, suggesting that the human tendency to parley is natural 
but is not the same as the formal machinery of democratic 
government. 

Our own cultural elites, either out of timidity or sometimes 
ignorance of the uniqueness of our own political institutions, 
seldom make such distinctions. But the differences are critical, 
because they lie unnoticed at the heart of the crisis in the 
Muslim world, and they explain our own tenuous relations with 
the regimes in the Gulf and the Middle East. Israel does not 
really know to what degree the Palestinian authorities have a 
real constituency, because the people of the West Bank 
themselves do not know either--inasmuch as they cannot debate 
one another on domestic television or campaign on the streets 
for alternate policies. Yasser Arafat assumed power by Western 
fiat; when he finally was allowed to hold real and periodic 
elections in his homeland, he simply perpetuated autocracy--as 
corrupt as it is brutal. 





By the same token, we are surprised at the duplicity of the Gulf 
States in defusing internal dissent by redirecting it against 
Americans, forgetting that such is the way of all dictators, 
who, should they lose office, do not face the golden years of 
Jimmy Carter's busy house-building or Bill Clinton's self-
absorbed angst. Either they dodge the mob's bullets or scurry to 
a fortified compound on the French coast a day ahead of the 
posse. The royal family of Saudi Arabia cannot act out of 
principle, because no principle other than force put and keeps 
them in power. All the official jets, snazzy embassies and 
expensive press agents cannot hide that these illegitimate 
rulers are not in the political sense Western at all. 
How sad that intellectuals of the Arab world--themselves given 
freedom only when they emigrate to the United States or Europe--
profess support for democratic reform from Berkeley or Cambridge 
but secretly fear that, back home, truly free elections would 
usher in folk like the Iranian imams, who, in the manner of the 
Nazis in 1933, would thereupon destroy the very machinery that 
elected them. The fact is that democracy does not spring fully 
formed from the head of Zeus but rather is an epiphenomenon--the 
formal icing on a pre-existing cake of egalitarianism, economic 
opportunity, religious tolerance and constant self-criticism. 
The former cannot appear in the Muslim world until gallant men 
and women insist upon the latter--and therein demolish the 
antidemocratic and medieval forces of tribalism, authoritarian 
traditionalism and Islamic fundamentalism. 

How much easier for nonvoters of the Arab world to vent 
frustration at the West, as if, in some Machiavellian plot, a 
democratic America, Israel and Europe have conspired to prevent 
Muslims from adopting the Western invention of democracy! 
Democracy is hardly a Western secret to be closely guarded and 
kept from the mujahideen. Islam is welcome to it, with the 
blessing and subsidy of the West. Yes, we must promote democracy 
abroad in the Muslim world; but only they, not we, can ensure 
its success. 





The catastrophe of the Muslim world is also explicable in its 
failure to grasp the nature of Western success, which springs 
neither from luck nor resources, genes nor geography. Like Third 
World Marxists of the 1960s, who put blame for their own self-
inflicted misery upon corporations, colonialism and racism--
anything other than the absence of real markets and a free 
society--the Islamic intelligentsia recognizes the Muslim 
world's inferiority vis- -vis the West, but it then seeks to 
fault others for its own self-created fiasco. Government 
spokesmen in the Middle East should ignore the nonsense of the 
cultural relativists and discredited Marxists and have the 
courage to say that they are poor because their populations are 
nearly half illiterate, that their governments are not free, 
that their economies are not open, and that their 
fundamentalists impede scientific inquiry, unpopular expression 
and cultural exchange. 
Tragically, the immediate prospects for improvement are dismal, 
inasmuch as the war against terrorism has further isolated the 
Middle East. Travel, foreign education and academic exchanges--
the only sources of future hope for the Arab world--have 
screeched to a halt. All the conferences in Cairo about Western 
bias and media distortion cannot hide this self-inflicted 
catastrophe--and the growing ostracism and suspicion of Middle 
Easterners in the West. 

But blaming the West, and Israel, for the unendurable reality is 
easier for millions of Muslims than admitting the truth. 
Billions of barrels of oil, large populations, the Suez Canal, 
the fertility of the Nile, Tigris and Euphrates valleys, 
invaluable geopolitical locations and a host of other natural 
advantages that helped create wealthy civilizations in the past 
now yield an excess of misery, rather than the riches of 
resource-poor Hong Kong or Switzerland. How could it be 
otherwise, when it takes bribes and decades to obtain a building 
permit in Cairo, when habeas corpus is a cruel joke in Baghdad, 
and when Saudi Arabia turns out more graduates in Islamic 
studies than in medicine or engineering? 

To tackle illiteracy, gratuitous state-sanctioned killing, and 
the economic sclerosis that comes from corruption and state 
control would require the courage and self-examination of 
Eastern Europe, Russia, South America, even of China. Instead, 
wedded to the old bromides that the West causes their misery, 
that fundamentalist Islam and crackpot mullahs have had no role 
in their disasters, that the subjugation of women is 
a "different" rather than a foul (and economically foolish) 
custom, Muslim intellectuals have railed these past few months 
about the creation of Israel half a century ago, and they have 
sat either silent or amused while the mob in their streets 
chants in praise of a mass murderer. Meanwhile millions of 
Muslims tragically stay sick and hungry in silence. 





Has the Muslim world gone mad in its threats and ultimatums? 
Throughout this war, Muslims have saturated us with overt and 
with insidious warnings. If America retaliated to the mass 
murder of its citizens, the Arab world would turn on us; if we 
bombed during Ramadan, we would incur lasting hatred; if we 
continued in our mission to avenge our dead, not an American 
would be safe in the Middle East. 
More disturbing even than the screaming street demonstrations 
have been the polite admonitions of corrupt grandees like Crown 
Prince Abdullah of Saudi Arabia or editor Abdul Rahman al Rashed 
of Saudi Arabia's state-owned Al Sharq al Awsat. Don't they see 
the impotence and absurdity of their veiled threats, backed 
neither by military force nor cultural dynamism? Don't they 
realize that nothing is more fatal to the security of a state 
than the divide between what it threatens and what it can 
deliver? 

There is an abyss between such rhetoric and the world we 
actually live in, an abyss called power. Out of politeness, we 
needn't crow over the relative military capability of one 
billion Muslims and 300 million Americans; but we should 
remember that the lethal, 2,500-year Western way of war is the 
reflection of very different ideas about personal freedom, civic 
militarism, individuality on the battlefield, military 
technology, logistics, decisive battle, group discipline, 
civilian audit and the dissemination and proliferation of 
knowledge. 

Values and traditions--not guns, germs and steel--explain why a 
tiny Greece of 50,000 square miles crushed a Persia 20 times 
larger; why Rome, not Carthage, created world government; why 
Cort s was in Tenochtitl n, and Montezuma not in Barcelona; why 
gunpowder in its home in China was a pastime for the elite 
while, when stolen and brought to Europe, it became a deadly and 
ever evolving weapon of the masses. Even at the nadir of Western 
power in the medieval ages, a Europe divided by religion and 
fragmented into feudal states could still send thousands of 
thugs into the Holy Land, while a supposedly ascendant Islam had 
neither the ships nor the skill nor the logistics to wage jihad 
in Scotland or Brittany. 

Much is made of 500 years of Ottoman dominance over a feuding 
Orthodox, Christian and Protestant West; but the sultans were 
powerful largely to the degree that they crafted alliances with 
a distrustful France and the warring Italian city-states, copied 
the Arsenal at Venice, turned out replicas of Italian and German 
canon, and moved their capital to European Constantinople. 
Moreover, their "dominance" amounted only to a rough naval 
parity with the West on the old Roman Mediterranean; they never 
came close to the conquest of the heart of Western Europe. 

Europeans, not Ottomans, colonized central and southern Africa, 
Asia and the Pacific and the Americas--and not merely because of 
their Atlantic ports or ocean ships but rather because of their 
longstanding attitudes and traditions about scientific inquiry, 
secular thought, free markets and individual ingenuity and 
spontaneity. To be sure, military power is not a referendum on 
morality--Pizarro's record in Peru makes as grim reading as the 
Germans' in central Africa; it is, rather, a reflection of the 
amoral dynamism that fuels ships and soldiers. 

We are militarily strong, and the Arab world abjectly weak, not 
because of greater courage, superior numbers, higher IQs, more 
ores or better weather, but because of our culture. When it 
comes to war, one billion people and the world's oil are not 
nearly as valuable military assets as MIT, West Point, the House 
of Representatives, C-Span, Bill O'Rilley and the G.I. Bill. 
Between Xerxes on his peacock throne overlooking Salamis and 
Saddam on his balcony reviewing his troops, between the Greeks 
arguing and debating before they rowed out with Themistocles and 
the Americans haranguing one another on the eve of the Gulf War, 
lies a 2,500-year cultural tradition that explains why the rest 
of the world copies its weapons, uniforms and military 
organization from us, not vice versa. 





Many Middle Easterners have performed a great media charade 
throughout this war. They publish newspapers and televise the 
news, and thereby give the appearance of being modern and 
Western. But their reporters and anchormen are by no means 
journalists by Western standards of free and truthful inquiry. 
Whereas CNN makes a point of talking to the victims of 
collateral damage in Kabul, al-Jazeera would never interview the 
mothers of Israeli teenagers blown apart by Palestinian bombs. 
Nor does any Egyptian or Syrian television station welcome 
freewheeling debates or "Meet the Press"-style talk shows 
permitting criticism of the government or the national religion. 
Instead, they quibble over their own degrees of anti-Americanism 
and obfuscate the internal contradictions of Islam. The chief 
dailies in Algiers, Tehran and Kuwait City look like Pravda of 
old. The entire Islamic media is a simulacrum of the West, 
lacking the life-giving spirit of debate and self-criticism. 
As a result, when Americans see a cavalcade of talking Middle 
Eastern heads nod and blurt out the party line--that Israel is 
evil, that the United States is naive and misled, that Muslims 
are victims, that the West may soon have to reckon with Islamic 
anger--they assume the talk is orchestrated and therefore worth 
listening to only for what it teaches about how authoritarian 
governments can coerce and corrupt journalists and 
intellectuals. 

A novelist who writes whatever he pleases anywhere in the Muslim 
world is more likely to receive a fatwa and a mob at his 
courtyard than a prize for literary courage, as Naguib Mahfouz 
and Salman Rushdie have learned. No wonder a code of silence 
pervades the Islamic world. No wonder, too, that Islam is far 
more ignorant of us than we of it. And no wonder that the 
Muslims haven't a clue that, while their current furor is 
scripted, whipped up and mercurial, ours is far deeper and more 
lasting. 

Every Western intellectual knows Edward Said's much-hyped theory 
of "Orientalism," a purely mythical construct of how Western 
bias has misunderstood and distorted the Eastern "Other." In 
truth, the real problem is "Westernism"--the fatally erroneous 
idea in the Middle East that its propaganda-spewing Potemkin 
television stations give it a genuine understanding of the 
nature of America, an understanding Middle Easterners believe is 
deepened by the presence in their midst of a few McDonald's 
franchises and hired U.S. public-relations firms. 

That error--which mistakes ignorance for insight--helps explain 
why Osama bin Laden so grossly miscalculated the devastating 
magnitude of our response to September 11. In reality, the most 
parochial American knows more about the repressive nature of the 
Gulf States than the most sophisticated and well-traveled sheikh 
understands about the cultural underpinnings of this country, 
including the freedom of speech and inquiry that is missing in 
the Islamic press. 





Millions in the Middle East are obsessed with Israel, whether 
they live in sight of Tel Aviv or thousands of miles away. Their 
fury doesn't spring solely from genuine dismay over the hundreds 
of Muslims Israel has killed on the West Bank; after all, Saddam 
Hussein butchered hundreds of thousands of Shiites, Kurds and 
Iranians, while few in Cairo or Damascus said a word. Syria's 
Hafez Assad liquidated perhaps 20,000 in sight of Israel, 
without a single demonstration in any Arab capital. The murder 
of some 100,000 Muslims in Algeria and 40,000 in Chechnya in the 
last decade provoked few intellectuals in the Middle East to 
call for a pan-Islamic protest. Clearly, the anger derives not 
from the tragic tally of the fallen but from Islamic rage that 
Israelis have defeated Muslims on the battlefield repeatedly, 
decisively, at will and without modesty. 
If Israel were not so successful, free and haughty--if it were 
beleaguered and tottering on the verge of ruin--perhaps it would 
be tolerated. But in a sea of totalitarianism and government-
induced poverty, a relatively successful economy and a stable 
culture arising out of scrub and desert clearly irks its less 
successful neighbors. Envy, as the historian Thucydides reminds 
us, is a powerful emotion and has caused not a few wars. 

If Israel did not exist, the Arab world, in its current fit of 
denial, would have to invent something like it to vent its 
frustrations. That is not to say there may not be legitimate 
concerns in the struggle over Palestine, but merely that for 
millions of Muslims the fight over such small real estate stems 
from a deep psychological wound. It isn't about lebensraum or 
some actual physical threat. Israel is a constant reminder that 
it is a nation's culture--not its geography or size or magnitude 
of its oil reserves--that determines its wealth or freedom. For 
the Middle East to make peace with Israel would be to declare 
war on itself, to admit that that its own fundamental way of 
doing business--not the Jews--makes it poor, sick and weak. 





Throughout the Muslim world, myth and ignorance surround U.S. 
foreign policy toward the Middle East. Yes, we give Israel aid, 
but less than the combined billions that go to the Palestinians 
and to Egypt, Jordan and other Muslim countries. And it is one 
thing to subsidize a democratic and constitutional (if 
cantankerous) ally but quite another to pay for slander from 
theocratic or autocratic enemies. Though Israel has its fair 
share of fundamentalists and fanatics, the country is not the 
creation of clerics or strongmen but of European  migr s, who 
committed Israel from the start to democracy, free speech and 
abundant self-critique. 
Far from egging on Israel, the United States actually restrains 
the Israeli military, whose organization and discipline, along 
with the sophisticated Israeli arms industry, make it quite 
capable of annihilating nearly all its bellicose neighbors 
without American aid. Should the United States withdraw from 
active participation in the Middle East and let the contestants 
settle their differences on the battlefield, Israel, not the 
Arab world, would win. The military record of four previous 
conflicts does not lie. Arafat should remember who saved him in 
Lebanon; it was no power in the Middle East that brokered his 
exodus and parted the waves of Israeli planes and tanks for his 
safe passage to the desert. 

The Muslim world suffers from political amnesia, we now have 
learned, and so has forgotten not only Arafat's resurrection but 
also American help to beleaguered Afghans, terrified Kuwaitis, 
helpless Kurds and Shiites, starving Somalis and defenseless 
Bosnians--direct intervention that has cost the United States 
much more treasure and lives than mere economic aid for Israel 
ever did. They forget; but we remember the Palestinians cheering 
in Nablus hours after thousands of our innocents were 
incinerated in New York, the hagiographic posters of a mass 
murderer in the streets of Muslim capitals, and the smug 
remonstrations of Saudi prince Alwaleed to Mayor Rudy Giuliani 
at Ground Zero. 

Saudi and Kuwaiti Westernized elites find psychological comfort 
in their people's anti-American rhetoric, not out of real 
grievance but perhaps as reassurance that their own appetite for 
all things Western doesn't constitute rejection of their 
medieval religion or their 13th-century caliphate. Their 
apologists in the United States dissemble when they argue that 
these Gulf sheikhs are forced to master a doublespeak for 
foreign consumption, or that they are better than the 
frightening alternative, or that they are victims of unfair 
American anger that is ignorant of Wahhabi custom.

In their present relationship with the terrorists, these old-
fashioned autocrats are neutrals only in the sense that they now 
play the cagier role of Franco's Spain to Hitler's Germany. They 
aid and abet our enemies, but never overtly. If the United 
States prevails, the Saudis can proclaim that they were always 
with us; should we lose a shooting war with the terrorists, the 
princes can swear that their prior neutrality really constituted 
allegiance to radical Islam all along. 





In matters of East-West relations, immigration has always been a 
one-way phenomenon. Thousands flocked to Athens and Rome; few 
left for Parthia or Numidia unless to colonize or exploit. 
People sneak into South, not North, Korea--in the same manner 
that few from Hong Kong once braved gunfire to reach Beijing 
(unless to invest and profit). Few Israeli laborers are going to 
the West Bank to seek construction jobs. In this vein is the 
Muslim world's longing for the very soil of America. Even in the 
crucible of war, we have discovered that our worst critics love 
us in the concrete as much as they hate us in the abstract. 
For all the frothing, it seems that millions of our purported 
enemies wish to visit, study or (better yet) live in the United 
States--and this is true not just of Westernized professors or 
globetrotting tycoons but of hijackers, terrorists, the children 
of the Taliban, the offspring of Iranian mullahs and the spoiled 
teenage brats of our Gulf critics. The terrorists visited lap 
dancers, took out frequent-flier miles, spent hours on the 
Internet, had cell phones strapped to their hips and hobnobbed 
in Las Vegas--parasitic on a culture not their own, fascinated 
with toys they could not make, and always ashamed that their 
lusts grew more than they could be satisfied. Until September 
11, their ilk had been like fleas on a lazy, plump dog, gnashing 
their tiny proboscises to gain bloody nourishment or inflict 
small welts on a distracted host who found them not worth the 
scratch. 

This dual loathing and attraction for things Western is 
characteristic of the highest echelon of the terrorists 
themselves, often Western-educated, English-speaking and hardly 
poor. Emblematic is the evil genius of al Qaeda, the sinister 
Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri. He grew up in Cairo affluence, his family 
enmeshed in all the Westernized institutions of Egypt. 

Americans find this Middle Eastern cultural schizophrenia 
maddening, especially in its inability to fathom that all the 
things that Muslim visitors profess to hate--equality of the 
sexes, cultural freedom, religious tolerance, egalitarianism, 
free speech and secular rationalism--are precisely what give us 
the material things that they want in the first place. CDs and 
sexy bare midriffs are the fruits of a society that values 
freedom, unchecked inquiry and individual expression more than 
the dictates of state or church; wild freedom and wild 
materialism are part of the American character. So bewildered 
Americans now ask themselves: Why do so many of these anti-
Americans, who profess hatred of the West and reverence for the 
purity of an energized Islam or a fiery Palestine, enroll in 
Chico State or UCLA instead of madrassas in Pakistan or military 
academies in Iraq? 

The embarrassing answer would explain nearly everything, from 
bin Laden to the intifada. Dads and moms who watch al-Jazeera 
and scream in the street at the Great Satan really would prefer 
that their children have dollars, an annual CAT scan, a good 
lawyer, air conditioning and Levis in American hell than be 
without toilet paper, suffer from intestinal parasites, deal 
with the secret police, and squint with uncorrected vision in 
the Islamic paradise of Cairo, Tehran and Gaza. Such a 
fundamental and intolerable paradox in the very core of a man's 
heart--multiplied millions of times over--is not a healthy thing 
either for them or for us, as we have learned since September 
11. 





Most Americans recognize and honor the past achievements of 
Islamic civilization and the contribution of Middle Eastern 
immigrants to the United States and Europe, as well as the 
traditional hospitality shown visitors to the Muslim world. And 
so we have long shown patience with those who hate us, and more 
curiosity than real anger. 
But that was then, and this is now. A two-kiloton explosion that 
incinerated thousands of our citizens--planned by Middle 
Easterners with the indirect financial support of purportedly 
allied governments, the applause of millions, and the snickering 
and smiles of millions more--has had an effect that grows not 
wanes. 

So a neighborly bit of advice for our Islamic friends and their 
spokesmen abroad: topple your pillars of ignorance and the 
edifice of your anti-Americanism. Try to seek difficult answers 
from within to even more difficult questions without. Do not 
blame others for problems that are largely self-created or seek 
solutions over here when your answers are mostly at home. 
Please, think hard about what you are saying and writing about 
the deaths of thousands of Americans and your relationship with 
the United States. 

America has been a friend more often than not to you. But now 
you are on the verge of turning its people--who create, not 
follow, government--into an enemy: a very angry and powerful 
enemy that may be yours for a long, long time to come. 

Mr. Hanson, a military historian, is author most recently 
of "Carnage and Culture" (Doubleday 2002) and a contributing 
editor of City Journal, in whose Winter issue this article 
appears. 

Great article, very well written and so true. Thanks for sharing

why did u agree to have sex with your mother?

You want to suck my cock?? My little red rooster is a waiting!

You leave my rooster alone u are just trying to make my goat 
jealous!

U know who did yo' mama?
Sambo dat's who!
Ju dint no dad di yo?

Sorry to welcome you in the wrong time. With so many 1 line 
talking rubbish people around.

Ya! I read that and said 'wow' out loud. Gotta report for jury 
duty tomorrow. Criminals beware!

Yes indeed it pulls together a hell of a lot and explains it 
well. Mr Hanson has said it all and gets through it all in a 
very clear way saying still plenty between the lines. 
  Hang em high! and take the pay & buy lunch after court. 

Sorry Merlyn.  I haven't posted in a few days.  If you call me 
out I will confess but the above posts of Patal and U know Who 
are not me.

I know you are just trying to get my goat, but I gave it to 
Patal, he was so lonley and started asking for yo mama

Now now it just might not be you? shit! no wonder the replys 
were no good. You at least have a sense of humor. Must 
be ...........................Walter........EEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeee
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee oooooooooooooooo nooooooooooooooooo! 
And to think I got him a new shirt! He just balmes everything on 
me! 

So if a (presumably) male suicide bomber gets 72 virgins, what 
does a female suicide bomber get? 72 vibrators?

How does one do a "73 way"?

OK, the first thing you have to do is establish a schedule. 
Timing is vital. It's also important that everybody know their 
role. Plus you need to keep the flow going in an orderly 
fashion . . . 

Still killin yo people.just changin locations for a spell.funny 
ya didnt pradict that...............goat fucker

Last night I had a vision:  as I waskneeling under a very 
bright star, a loud voice -like that of thunder- said that Bin 
Laden will soon be executed for his crimes of being a false 
Muslim and for his hand in committing murder.  
  I decided to research the Koran to see if there was anything to 
my vision.  What I found was shocking:  I will tell you where in 
the Koran it is, but I will let you decide to see it for 
yourself.  It is in The Calamity, 101.9-

They also get plentiful fruit and that gets things flowing! 

47:15 (Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are 
promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of 
milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to 
those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there 
are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. 
(Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell for 
ever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that 
it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?  

101:1 The (Day) of Noise and Clamor:  
101:2 What is the (Day) of Noise and Clamor?  
101:3 And what will explain to thee what the (Day) of Noise and 
Clamor is?  
101:4 (It is) a Day whereon men will be like moths scattered 
about,  
101:5 And the mountains will be like carded wool.  
101:6 Then, he whose balance (of good deeds) will be (found) 
heavy,  
101:7 Will be in a life of good pleasure and satisfaction.  
101:8 But he whose balance (of good deeds) will be (found) 
light,-  
101:9 Will have his home in a (bottomless) Pit.  
101:10 And what will explain to thee what this is?  
101:11 (It is) a Fire Blazing fiercely!  

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http://www.theholybook.org/

Last night I had a vision:  as I waskneeling under a very 
                 bright star, a loud voice -like that of thunder-
YOU ARE UNDER ARREST FOR PEFORMING ORAL SEX IN PUBLIC/I was under 
a streetlight selling bj's.

4,000 Jews Did Not Go To Work At World Trade Center On Sept.11 
AL-MANAR Television Special Investigative Report 
http://www.manartv.com
Beirut, Lebanon - Monday, September 17, 2001 
http://www.manartv.com/html/engmiddle.html

4,000 Jewish Employees in WTC Absent the Day of the Attack

With the announcement of the attacks at the World Trade Center 
in New York, the international media, particularly the Israeli 
one, hurried to take advantage of the incident and started 
mourning 4,000 Israelis who work at the two towers. Then 
suddenly, no one ever mentioned anything about those Israelis 
and later it became clear that they remarkably did not show up 
in their jobs the day the [four passenger aircraft hijacking and 
crashing] incident [at the World Trade Center, Pentagon and 
Pennsylvania] took place [on Tuesday, September 11, 2001].

No one talked about any Israeli being killed or wounded in the 
attacks. Arab diplomatic sources revealed to the Jordanian
al-Watan newspaper that those Israelis remained absent that day 
[Tuesday, September 11, 2001] based on hints from the Israeli 
General Security Apparatus, the Shabak, the fact which evoked 
unannounced suspicions on American officials who wanted to know 
how the Israeli government learned about the incident before it 
occurred, and the reasons why it refrained from informing the 
U.S. authorities of the information it had.

Suspicions had increased further after Israeli newspaper Yadiot 
Ahranot revealed that the Shabak prevented Israeli premier Ariel 
Sharon from traveling to New York and particularly to the city's 
eastern coast to participate in a festival organized by the 
Zionist organizations in support of the "Israel". Aharon Bernie, 
the commentator at the newspaper, brought up the issue and came 
up with a negative conclusion, saying "no answer". He then asked 
about the clue behind the Shabak's position in preventing 
Sharon's participation, and again without giving an answer.

Bernie added that Sharon, who was delighted for having his 
speech on top of the festival agenda, asked the head of the
organization to mediate and convince the Shabak to change its 
position, but his attempts were in vein. The next day after
Sharon's secretary officially announced that Sharon would not 
participate the incident [at the World Trade Center] took place.

For its part, the Israeli Ha'aretz newspaper revealed that the 
FBI arrested five Israelis four hours after the attack on the
[World Trade Center] Twin Towers while filming the smoking 
skyline from the roof of their company's building. The FBI had
arrested the five for "puzzling behavior". They are said to have 
been caught videotaping the disaster in what was interpreted as 
cries of joy and mockery.









At least two Israelis dead in Tower attack 
By Mazal Mualem, Aliza Arbeli and Shlomo Shamir 
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/ (Published in Israel) Monday, 
September 17, 2001 



Two Israelis are so far known to have died in Tuesday's multiple 
terror attacks in the United States, and another five are still 
missing. 

However, most of the hundreds of Israelis listed as missing 
Tuesday night were successfully located yesterday. 

Of these, about 25 were wounded and found in local hospitals by 
embassy staff in Washington and consulate staff in New York. 

The consulate has not yet released the names of the five missing 
Israelis, all of whom were known to be in the World Trade Center 
when it collapsed. Of these, two are known to have worked for 
foreign companies in the center, but nothing is known about 
their fate. A third, who worked on the 100th floor of the Twin 
Towers, managed to call his wife by cellular phone while the 
towers were collapsing. He is presumed to be buried in the 
rubble, either seriously wounded or dead. 

The two Israelis known to have died are Alona Avraham, 30, of 
Ashdod, and Daniel Lewin, 31, of Boston. 

Avraham was on the second flight to crash into the World Trade 
Center Tuesday morning. She was flying from Boston to Los 
Angeles to spend Rosh Hashanah with her aunt and uncle. Avraham 
had called her parents the previous day to tell them of her 
plans, so when news broke that United Flight 175 was one of the 
planes that crashed, they immediately feared the worst. Although 
the airline later confirmed that she was on the fatal flight's 
passenger list, her relatives say they have still not given up 
hope that she failed to board the flight and is still alive. 

Avraham, who was not married, had been working at Applied 
Materials, a high-tech firm in Rehovot. She went to the U.S. for 
vacation on August 30, and had planned to return before Yom 
Kippur. She is survived by her parents, Peretz and Miriam, and a 
younger brother and sister, both soldiers. 

Lewin was on the first plane to crash into the Twin Towers. A 
one-time officer in the IDF's elite Sayeret Matkal commando 
unit, Lewin, co-founder and chief technology officer of the high-
tech firm Akamai, had lived in Boston for five years. He usually 
flew to Los Angeles twice a week for business. Lewin immigrated 
to Israel with his parents from Denver, Colorado at the age of 
14, and his parents, both doctors, still live here. They learned 
of their son's death only a few hours after returning to Israel 
from a visit to Boston. Lewin is survived by his parents, his 
wife, two children and two brothers. 

The last of the missing Israelis to be located yesterday were 
Gali and Yaakov Haby, who were found alive and well at noon 
after having spent 20 hours trapped in Yaakov's car. 

Yaakov lives in New York near the World Trade Center, and his 
daughter Gali, 28, was visiting him. The two had gone out to 
shop at 8:30 A.M. on Tuesday, but were trapped in the car once 
the attacks took place. For the next 20 hours, Gali's mother 
tried frantically to reach her, but only after the two were 
rescued was Gali finally able to call home. 

Over the past day, some 4,500 Israelis have called the Foreign 
Ministry's situation room seeking news of relatives in the U.S. 
The ministry, the embassy in Washington and the consulate in New 
York will all remain open until the fate of all missing Israelis 
is known.

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WORLD TRADE CENTRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


http://11september.20m.com/ 

YOUR EYES ARE OPEN YET YOU CANNOT SEE THE TRUTH WHY?
YUO TRAITORS 

The Isreal 911 myth has been debunked more times than its made 
its e-mail rounds. As far as that site is concerned, go down to 
the local store and pick up MAD Magazine. Still rehashing that 
old myth, unfuckingbelievable.
 It sure makes the article posted above look right on the money.

You are only saying that because you know fuck all about the 
real situation. 
This is no myth OPEN YOUR EYES AND SEE THE TRUTH!!! 

You probably are from Israel. The Israels hate muslims AND THATS 
A FACT!!!!!!!!

Go to your local store and ask him for a SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

NO ONE SHOULD SEND MESSAGES THAT THEY DONT MEAN! AND THOSE THAT 
CHOOSE TO SPEAK SHALL SPEAK FACTS AND NOT BULLSHIT!!!

DEAR MUSLIM,

WHAT YOU SAY LOOKS TRUE AND YOU CERTAINLY HAVE EVIDENCE TO PROVE 
IT!
IF ANYONE CAN PROVE YOU WRONG LET THEM PROVE IT!!!

THIS IS AN OPEN INVITATION TO ALL!!!

1  Americans - U piss me off. You think everyone in the world 
owes you something as your country is so great but your a bunch 
of hypocrites that fund terrorists and faschist regimes then 
wonder why everyone hates you.

2 Muslims - U piss me off. You say Islam promotes peace bla bla 
bla but some of you go round doing getting drunk and and being 
intolerant of other faiths. Take part in acts of so called 
justified violence and refuse to fit in with our society.

3 Israelis -My Favorite.
You never learn do you. Every time the world starts to feel 
sorry for the Jewish faith Israel goes and blows it in 
spectacular right wing fashion. Any wonder you get blown up when 
you steal peace loving peoples land and ignore the views of so 
many nations. You arrogant W**nkers   

u suck.your posts suck.your useless information sucks.
  why do you suck so bad? maybe you were molested by your father.

that above post is for merlyn the incest baby

First of all that site you mention is a demented pile of 
propaganda. If you actually believe that crap.. I have some 
beach front property in Arazona I would like to sell you.
  Secondly, the Koran, and those who read it keep comparing it 
to the Christian bible. This blatant STUPIDITY is really making 
it very obvious just how IGNORANT you Muslims really are. You 
spout that the Koran has never been changed, well guess what, 
the above site has it changed into every language on earth! The 
word of God is written in the TEN COMMANDMENTS and has NEVER 
CHANGED.
The Christian bible is a cronicle of the life of Jesus Christ 
and the old testament is the teachings of the true prophets..not 
the word of god, and never has been. To compare the two shows 
complete stupidity on the part of ALL MUSLIMS. The Ten 
Commandments are far superior to the Koran (yes I spell it 
KORAN). They do not have HATE DOGMA and OBVIOUS LIES like the 
above rivers of wine and honey spewed through out. The Koran is 
filled with HATE and BIGOTRY! Far from any real WORD OF GOD. God 
is all forgiving, but in the Koran he is damming and spiteful! 
Yes you little morons I have read both!
  London dude, Briton is despised by everyone, no one likes YOU! 
Cry this song to the WELSH, IRISH, SCOTTS and AUSTRAILIA! and 
see how far you get. You just spout your shit to us because WE 
SLAMMED YOUR SORRY ASS IN THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR. GET OVER IT!
  As for the Jews.. I agree with YOU! THEY SUCK, always have. I 
can't blame the Muslims for hating the Jews, but GET OFF YOUR 
SORRY ASS and make something of your selves! 
  You damn lazy sacks have everything you need to become a vital 
and respected society. It is not AMERICA holding you back, or 
even the Jews! It is your theiving self centered RELIGION. WAKE 
UP! That stupid Koran has you all pissing in the wind! Ever 
wonder why your own totalitarian rulers keep screwing you over? 
You believe that if you are wealthy, you are an Infidel! No 
wonder you never get anywhere! If that is so than ALL OF YOUR 
RULERS ARE INFIDELS! 
  

I think YOU SUCK! YOU ARE A PERVERTED LITTLE SHIT! GET OFF THIS 
SITE! At least Merlyn tries to post good and meaningful info. 
ALL YOU DO IS PISS LIKE A LITTLE CRYBABY! (U Know who) is such a 
little shit he can't even tell anyone who he is! Are you a 
CLOSET QUEEN QUEER? Stop posting you little FAGGOT! 

stop your whining u bitch..lets roll really explains who you 
are..now what 

did a jew fuck your mama.

Muslims;
You do not agree with each other. And you cannot have a society 
that is illiterate and ruled by a religion do anything but be 
ignorant. You are still living in the seventh century while the 
rest of the world has progressed. Now you are desperately trying 
to blame everyone else that is not a Muslim for your corrupt and 
misguided totalitarian society. You killed thousands of our 
people and tens of thousand of your own. You are damned by your 
own actions and by same; hypocrites.

U know who, sounds like a faggot to me. A whining bitch at very 
least. 

let's roll, ure clear lack of intelligence and knowledge is 
shown by your comments, may gods curse be upon you and others 
that support you

My comments are supported by world opinion and decades of 
research. You are too much a twit to even poast who you are. You 
obviously are an immature fool. May God see you for what you are 
and have infinate mercy on your soul. You are a Muslim or an 
ignorant servant of religion that has been taught to you by 
control freaks and a believer in Gods wrath. God forgives and is 
all merciful, or so you contend, yet you curse and are inclusive 
of even your own religion. 

ure is not a word, your lack of intelligence is clearly a Bain 
to your life and your ability to converse intelligently

this is a flame pit and is run by Muslims

I think YOU SUCK! YOU ARE A PERVERTED LITTLE SHIT! GET OFF THIS 
                 SITE! At least Merlyn tries to post good and 
meaningful info. 

You do not own this board,and therefore cannot control who posts 
here.Sad for you.It sounds like you are either Merlyn,or you 
would like to be.Also sad for you since he is a bumbling idiot.

My comments are supported by world opinion and decades of 
                research.

No Lets Roll/Merlyn,your comments are supported only by 
yourself.And from reading your previous posts,that is flimsy and 
shaky ground.You are a person who wants to appear 
knowedgeable,but comes off looking like an idiot.You want to fit 
in,but you never really have,and you will allways be on the 
outside looking in.

What an Idiot! Daddy yo" MAMMA! You SUCK! YOU ARE AN IDIOT! AND 
YOU ARE A FLAMING FOOL! First you are U know who the closet 
Queer. Now you are Daddy? Ha! what a joke!

You are probably the Muslim who poast as Servant of Allah! Get a 
life! You are a fucking Faggot Goat Fucker!

You are a person who wants to appear 
knowedgeable,but comes off looking like an idiot....That would 
be you Daddy Pervert!

You are a person who wants to appear 
                knowedgeable,but comes off looking like an 
idiot.You want to fit 
                  in,but you never really have,and you will 
allways be on the 
                                       outside looking in.
And you prove the facts again and again.See how angry you 
became?Everyone else saw it too.

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEat 
meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! Ya Faggot!

LoL!

Like anyone goves a shit about you! Ha! Ya can't even admit who 
you really are! At least I do! I am not ashamed of who I 
am ........BUT YOU ARE! YOU HIDE IN THE CLOSET! fuckn pervert

You poor pitiful boy.You tried so hard.Telling people you have 
your own business,restoring bikes,how successful you are,but 
people who are a success have to work,and you post at all hours 
of the day and night.No one believes you,and most of us laugh at 
you.Just like you've been laughed at all your life.Sad.

Ya fag, exactly what are YOU doing? I work at this computer all 
day designing graphics 

You must be the one who needs a life!

Daddy/ u know who/ etc. hypocrate

You are always going to be here pissing and 
moaning.........................what a looser! Get a life !

You cause all this shit and now no one will poast here. All 
bacause of you! Ha. And you play little games faking other 
peoples poast and get all mad if we do it to you! Ha! you really 
are pitiful. Well rot here in your little hell, LOL! ES&D GFYS!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Sure designing graphics now are we?Look at all your 
posts!Short,staccato posts,which indicates great anger.You are so 
desperate to feel important that you have to use multiple handles 
to try to dominate the board,
You've been exposed,Sybil.You are a phony,and we laugh at the 
lies you tell to make yourself look important.And we laugh at 
your senseless predictions.And we laugh at your childish 
behaviour when things don't go your way.And we laugh at the 
symbols you use[/|\]to make yourself feel like you're a part of 
something.In reality you are a pitiful boy.And we all know it.

Sybal? never heard of it. You are surly a stupid fuck. You don't 
even know what you are talking about. Justice/ Patal/ U know 
who/ Daddy/ Servant of Allah/ etc.etc. My computer hits this 
site in seconds, yes it is that fast. You live here like a 
closet faggot. spewing your hate dogma, bet you think you mean 
something by your insistance on defaming me. But you do not. I 
can leave and hit you any time. You live here all day in your 
little hell. Faggot! Yes I ride a 93 cu. in. FXSTS HARLEY 
DAVIDSON. You drive a honda like the queer you are! You don't 
even know what an FXSTS is do you? Ya fag bait queer.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~!

The words queer,suck,homosexual,and faggot come up a lot when you 
are defending yourself to Daddy.A hidden story perhaps?

My computer hits this 
                   site in seconds, yes it is that fast.


WOW!!!!!!!!!!! Really?WOW! You even have a GREAT computer!Even IT 
is better than what the rest of us have!!!You are 
GREAT!hahahahahahhahahaha.You just dont fit in ANYWHERE do you?

Wahch how he reats to posts when he dosent have the upper 
hand,and he has to deal with someone who doent believe his lies 
everyone.

Is your Harley a springer softail?

Yes it is.   My bike is a springer softail,  

The words queer,suck,homosexual,and faggot come up a lot when you 
                     are defending yourself to Daddy.A hidden 
story perhaps?

You're so wrapped up in your fantasy life that you dont even pay 
any attention to who you're responding to.Its North Carolina 
Gal,not North Carolina Girl.Show some respect at least enough to 
get their names rcorrect.

I knew who you were talking to.....

Insest boy! you are one to talk. At least North Carolina Gal 
knows what a FXSTS is. You Don't! And she is polite, unlike you! 
Since I have exposed you for the fake you are, you are all mad 
at me! Ha! serves you right! Servant of Alah Indeed! What a fool!
        Tell me now in 1988 what engine was a FXSTS equipped 
with? Mmmmmmmmmm? 

Please come up with some new urban legends/myths/rumors/
BULLSHIT!!! This ones been rebuked to death. Sorry for being 
late on the draw, had some people to hang today.

4,000 Jews, 1 Lie
Tracking an Internet hoax.
By Bryan Curtis
Posted Friday, October 5, 2001, at 5:30 PM PT 


[Addendum, Oct. 7, 4 p.m. ET:  Osama Bin Laden essentially 
claimed credit for the Sept. 11 attacks in a statement recorded 
before Sunday's strikes on Afghanistan. "America was hit by God 
in one of its softest spots," he said. "If it continues with 
this policy [against Iraq and the PLO], the sons of Islam will 
not stop their struggle."]

 
It is an article of faith in many Muslim countries that Israel 
was behind the attack on the World Trade Center, with many 
citing as their evidence a "news report" that 4,000 Israelis 
called in sick from their jobs at the World Trade Center on 
Sept. 11. The allegation has now appeared on scores of Web sites 
and bulletin boards, has been reproduced in e-mails too numerous 
to count, and has run as fact in newspapers and news broadcasts 
in the Middle East. Where did this charge originate, and what 
path did it take around the world?

First, a question begs: Where did the precise figure of 4,000 
Israelis come from? According to the Anti-Defamation League's 
Web site, on Sept. 11, the Israeli Embassy released a statement 
expressing concern about the 4,000 Israeli nationals living in 
New York City few of whom actually worked in the World Trade 
Center. At press time, the embassy couldn't confirm this 
statement.
 
According to Nexis and the Google search engine, the first 
mention of Israeli involvement in the attacks came in a Sept. 17 
report on Lebanon's Al-Manar Television. The Los Angeles Times 
reports that the terrorist group Hezbollah has free access to Al-
Manar's airwaves, and the station's Web site claims that the 
station exists to "stage an effective psychological warfare with 
the Zionist enemy."

The next day at 6:26 a.m., the American Web site Information 
Times published an article headlined "4,000 Jews Did Not Go To 
Work At WTC On Sept. 11," and credited it to an "AL-MANAR 
Television Special Investigative Report." This was not the first 
time that Information Times had pointed the finger at Israel. 
The day after the attacks, it warned in an article that 
the "terrorist government of Israel   cannot be ruled out" as a 
suspect. Information Times purports to be edited by Syed Adeeb 
from the  eighth floor of the National Press Club at 549 15th 
St. NW, Washington, DC, 20045. The Press Club says it has no 
such tenant and repeated messages sent to the e-mail address for 
Syed Abeed listed on the site bounce back as undeliverable. 
Directory assistance for Washington, D.C., has no listing for 
Information Times.

The "4,000 Jews" page is easily forwarded as e-mail, and this 
may explain the message's rapid dissemination.

The Information Times article makes three charges:

1) Citing the Jordanian newspaper Al-Watan, it alleges 
that "Israelis remained absent [on Sept. 11] based on hints from 
the Israeli General Security Apparatus, the Shabak." No media 
source except Al-Manar claims to have actually seen the 
editorial in Al-Watan, which the Jordanian Embassy's information 
bureau describes as an obscure newspaper with a low circulation. 
Al-Watan's source? Unnamed "Arab diplomatic sources."  (A few 
newspapers called Al-Watan have Web sites click here, here, and 
here to visit them though none seem to be based in Jordan.)

2) Citing the Israeli newspaper Yediot Aharonot, it alleges that 
Israeli secret police prevented Prime Minister Ariel Sharon from 
traveling to New York City on Sept. 11.

3) Citing the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz, it alleges that the 
FBI arrested five Israelis who were caught filming the WTC's 
smoking rubble from their office building roof. (They were being 
held on the charge of "puzzling behavior.")

No other media outlet that can be searched through Nexis or 
Google has confirmed the Information Times claims about Sharon 
and the five Israelis.

Within days, the story appeared in newspapers around the world. 
A remarkably similar version appeared under the byline of Irina 
Malenko in Russia's Pravda on Sept. 21. Pravda removed the 
article from its Web site a few hours after posting, calling it 
a "great and foolish mistake," but it can still be accessed 
here. On Sept. 21, the Chicago Tribune reported that a Pakistani 
paper, which it did not name, had published a similar account. 
In his Sept. 23 Slate "Dispatch" from Islamabad, Peter Maass 
reported that a local pro-Taliban politician repeated the 4,000 
Jews claim at an anti-U.S. rally. On Sept. 26, Pakistan's 
Business Recorder printed the story about 4,000 Jews in language 
almost identical to the original Al-Manar article as a letter to 
the editor under the name "Hakeem." The same day, the New York 
Times reported that the allegation had appeared in a newsletter 
published by an Islamic charity and in lesson plans prepared by 
Egyptian middle-school teachers. On Oct. 4, the Chicago Tribune 
spotted the allegation in a Saudi paper, which it did not name. 
In the Oct. 8 issue of Time, Tim McGirk reported from Pakistan 
that the story had swept through the country's mosques and Urdu 
newspapers.

On Sept. 28, USA Today repeated the claim in the context 
that "Muslims the world over" had tried to pin the attack on 
Israel. USA Today did not explain the origin of the charge. The 
Village Voice did the same on Oct. 2. The hoax-debunking site 
Snopes.com assailed the story, as well. With the Web as a 
weapon, a lie spreads quickly and easily. With the Web as a 
corrective tool, the same lie becomes much easier to bat away.
===============================================================
Post your e-mail, I'll send ya all kindsa crazy shit to use as 
cyberworld ammo.

Its because youre very kind.Too bad he cant be bothered to learn 
your name.

Tell me now in 1988 what engine was a FXSTS equipped 
                                       with? Mmmmmmmmmm? 

Tell me what the B-side to the Beatles single Let It Be was?
And who played saxaphone on it?

We all have special interests,and I care about yours as much as 
you care about mine.

Ride a Buell?

I remember you have posted this message about Isreal involvement 
before. Now I notice you post has 2 parts. The first is blaming 
the Isreal from information gather. The second part is 
explaining the real story.

As for the first part. It is ridiculous to have 4000 Isreal 
working in WTC. And if all of them were absent that day they 
American would have know by now and would have bring in all the 
4000 thousand for and explanation on why they are absent. So 
just don't read those propaganda news. These media in the Arab 
world should be punish for spreading untrue story and causing 
the people to hate the Isreal, American and the rest of the 
world who do not believe in Islam.

The second parts sound more practical.

Have a great day ahead. Take Care

Hi, you should just leave those people alone, the more you post 
your anger, the more they win. As I always say they can call me 
all kind of names it doesn't hurt me at all. If they post 
sensibly then reply them sensibly.

You take care. Have a nice day. God bless

Yes I do get a kick from riding him a bit, but he has been doing 
this to too many and for too long. It really doesn't bug me that 
bad, I just trapped him in his game. that is why he is all mad 
at me. But thanks I will heed your advice for the sake of the 
board. I fear DaddyO will probably keep up being a flamer. 
  With Best wishes,
         Merlyn 

FYI I ride a souped up Vespa. Does 0-30 in 3.5 minutes. Yhinkin 
about gettin one of those crotch rocket scooters fron Italy. 
500cc of power. Whew! They scare me.

Same motor, an Evolution 80 cu.in. Good guess. good ride as 
well. Boared ported and stroked out to 93 cu. in. like mine it 
will push around 100 hp at 98 fp torque. 
        ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZippers cut the block. 

A vespa? the Beatles album runs faster. But I did restore a 
Simson and am now restoring a Vespa for a collector. 

Did they come out with the Evolution V-twin in 1986?

dad o is right you sound fuckin pathetic..u still angry at the 
nigger who raped your mamas ass..please go and find him..maybe 
he will be impressed with the stupid fuckin shit u right 
about..i really do think u should accept this

Why dont you post something related to the topics discussed here.
Maybe something like your views on the war on terrorism. Or, 
maybe Isreal vs. Palistine. Or how your rights are being 
affected by the increased security at airports. Or how you feel 
you should be allowed to shag a goat or a sheep as you damn well 
please!
Anything past the 6th grade rhetoric would be cool.

the post will contain whatever i see fit..i will continue to 
attack the views of ignorant people who dont realise they are 
ignorant.

You have every right to attack of what you believe to be the 
views of ignorant prople, If in fact you are an authority on the 
views in which you are attacking...If not it can only be 
considered an opinion...

why dont u send me some naked photos of yourself.

I'll be glad to...Please post your credit card number and 
expiration date and I'll get right back to you

Whatever,I guess. This board needs to be archived anyway. Use 
it or lose it.

 NC Gal: Any news of a homecoming for loved ones over seas yet?
 
 Merlyn: Keep it rollin! Any Americans who havent done jury      
dont know what fun their missin. Ninety of us started out for 2 
cases. Cut to 38 when 1 case was continued. Being lucky, Im one 
of the 38. All we're told is the case is resisting arrest. One 
older guy is asked by the 2 defendents laywer if he thinks they 
are guilty based on the information he has. This old guy points 
his finger right at the 2 defendants and says, "if they were'nt 
guilty they wouldnt be sittin there". He was dismissed quickly 
but he had the room rollin!

Facts Finders:' As he works for the shepard, bringing lambs to 
the fold.' From a Garth Brooks song called 'Fit for a King' that 
I like. Good to see your still around and hope alls well way 
over there.

You win some you lose  some...My Mom pasted away feb. 6th  and 
my Son is due home march 6th...It's strange how things seem to 
come full circle...Thanks for asking

The Evolution engine came out in 1984, a step up from the big 
twin shovel head. It still remains a favorite and is copied by 
S&S and other aftermarket manufactueres to include Indian (just 
reintroduced in 1999). I just got back from the ABATE meeting 
and I am shutting down, but I can see the Flamer is hard at 
work. Seems anything is just too much for him to understand. But 
when it comes to AMERICAN Harley-Davidson, he is as IGNORANT as 
they come! Ha! Just goes to show even a good AMERICAN North 
Carolina Gal knows more than he does. A vespa He he he he hoy! 
I'll catch up with you all later..........
              Best wishes ~~~~~~~~  

I got this picture when I was a baby thats sure to turn some 
heads. Apparently I was born with 3 legs! LOL!!! Want it?

Hang em high! sounds like a case of bias finger pointing. No 
doubt a laugh. I have heard some mighty incredable storys in 
court and watched the judge just ream one after the next. It can 
be just a bad judge day sometimes. 
          Gotta pull the plug....................*

Ho hoy! And the nurse said leave this one alone, He's Bad to the 
Bone! (thourogood)

Wow, hey I really do extend my support and condolances. That is 
a really hard hit. But glad to hear your son will be around, man 
that is a hard one. Seems everyone is up late, I thought I would 
just take a look & shut down, I am not alone, and I hope you 
will be OK. Take care. My parents are in their 70's and I know I 
can get "the call" any day. 
  My heart goes out to you, Take care
          Merlyn

oh wait wait, who the fuck said fuck beaners? coming from a 
fucken onion shit smelling armo? eat my shit you worthless peice 
of shit.  go fucken eat shit beacuse you smell like it you 
fucken hairy plauge.  to become an arminian all you have to do 
is say i vowe never to shower or wear deordeant.  FUCK 
ARMOS!!!!!!!! your nothing but a hairy mold on this world who 
lives off the goverment and stinks up this world. AT least 
beaners work.

My parents are in their 70's and I know I 
                                  can get "the call" any day. 

I hope you do real soon!

I hope someone rapes your mother and slits her throat and you get 
to view the death scene!Yes!

yep I am still around, everthing fine on my side. I was reply to 
sister who fear Allah on another board. Saw you thee too. Have a 
nice day, God Bless

I gave this some thought and have come up with the "DTOM 
Doctrine".  Under "The Doctrine", if an American is kidnapped 
and killed or just killed in some bullshit terrorist act, The 
United States of America shall take two Muslim detainees from 
the terrorists' country of origin (Pakis, in Pearl's case), 
tie 'em up, put 'em in a helicopter and drop them in Guantanomo 
Bay.  They can become members of the "Shark Bait Club" at Hotel 
X-Ray.  I figger we don't know what to do with alot of these 
bastards at X-Ray, so we should kill two for every American 
killed by Muslim yahoos. That's not really fair though.  One 
American life is worth more than 20 of theirs.

You misspellied "Arizona".  Note that there is an "i" in the 
name.  BTW, I just ADORE your pink text!  You simply MUST tell me 
your secret, girlfrien

If he didnt have his ignorance to rely on,hed have nothing at 
all!

Let's Roll sounds like an idiot.  As a dog, my i.q. is probably 
about 25, but in dog intelligence it's about 125.  In the greater 
sense, that means I'm about five times smarter than him.  And I'm 
a freakin' DOG!  My master doesn't know I'm using his computer, 
but he might find out if I keep chewing the space bar (reminds me 
of that damn cat next door.  But then, so does Let's roll.  hint, 
hint).

London Crew: London Crew?....oh really!......PISS OFF!!

a Muslim: Our eyes are open, we just don't want to read that 
shitty green text...sorry!

u know who: No...I don't know who..and I don't care. Stay away.

The only reason why you disagree with the text is becuse you are 
not muslims!
Bin Laden was not invloved in the WTC and there is no evidence 
to prove this and that is a fact!

CNN and BBC they are zionists against islam and thats a fact. 
Islam means peace and submission to god not war. And whats this 
about we dont agree with each other of course we do!

What about Christianity. The religion has diversified from 
Catholics, Anglican, to Athesists and Humanists. America is 
against muslims, isnt it a coincidence that the main people in 
America are jews and zionists like Israel!!!!!!!!!!
 

Quoting further from that article, a Mr Anjam Choudry states...

"We would like to see the implementation of Sharia Law in the 
U.K. Under our rule this country would be known as the Islamic 
Republic of Great Britian."

Well Mr.Choudry...is that so?...in that case, I believe some 
advance bookings in Cuba are still available. 

----------

Crazy times indeed om/cf. Every country has their fair share of 
nutters...granted. I'm just concerned at how people can be so 
gullible and follow these idiots. I've been to Essex once or 
twice, and let me say that county never had much going for it 
anyway. Brings to mind a line from a movie where an American 
returns from Britain, and at the airport is asked by a customs 
official if he has anything to declare, to which he 
replies..."yeah...don't go ta England!" 

Now, it's not quite that bad over here....yet, but if I was 
asked that same question I'd say "yeah...don't go to Essex." 
Sound advice in the circumstances I'd reckon.
  
Just to clarify the Guardian/Observer broadsheets following Sept 
11 went into root causes of why Afghanistan became a harbour for 
terrorist extremists, citing U.S. foreign policy of previous 
administrations. I'm sure the truth of the situation will emerge 
in the fullness of time, and no doubt lessons have been learnt. 
I'm all for finding out the truth, but what I couldn't stomach 
was their whining against taking military action against the 
perpetrators involved. They, it seemed to me, talked up the 
alleged toughness of al-Qaeda and the Taliban and how the 
Soviets/Russians had had such a touch experiance there. I've not 
forgotten that. Fairs fair though, the Daily Mail and the Times 
normally considered right of centre, were pretty much pro Tony 
Blair/pro military action but of late are now digging into our 
P.M. on domestic issues. I don't believe Tony Blair's perfect, 
who is!, whether it be a politician or anybody else for that 
matter, but I'll always admire the stand he took on the 
Afghanistan situation. Iraq though...that's going to be a 
different matter entirely. Any thoughts on second guessing his 
views on that country, from your perspective?

As a matter of fact, I haven't even read that post, I may do if 
I'm bothered, but the black text is a definate improvement. 
Congratulations.

NC Gal: Please allow me to extend my condolences for the loss of 
a loved one. Our thoughts are with you. Roll on March 6th. You 
take care now.

The only reason why you disagree with the text is becuse you are 
not muslims!

Bottom line. If the Muslims in the poorer Islamic countries 
would take a look at the sucsessfull Islamic countries including 
Saudi Arabia and U.A.E. and follow their lead in becoming 
educated, civilised and moderate they wouldnt need to use worn 
out excuses for their failure. YOU need to wake up and become 
modern. The MAN aint holing you down. Your outdated beliefs are.

Om/cf 
The only reason why America is rich is because they are liars, 
traitors and thieves. They robbed the oil in Kuwait and they 
will do the same thing in Afghanistan.
No wonder Hitler turned against you.

fuck you UK citizen my writing might be black but your black on 
the inside!

Our beliefs aren't not holding us down. YOUR BELIEFS ARE HOLDING 
YOU DOWN!

I mean Bush is not a christian but a freemason. I bet you never 
knew that, Well go and find out.
Bin laden believes in one god and the message sent by the last 
prophet 
whats wrong with that

that was from a muslim

I won't read green text....it's against my religion.

1a2b3c4d5e6f7g8h9i1j2k3L4m5n6o7p8q9r1s2t3u4v5w6x7y8z...find the 
anti christ..and kill him

http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/02/26/gallup.muslims/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/south/02/26/pearl.videotape
/index.html

when u said stay away did u mean stay away from your mothers 
bum? 

You claim Zion s run everything and Americans are all WASP. You 
might want to talk to Jessie Jackson about that and Opra. I am 
sure your views are equally wigged out by your own experience, 
but figure, Osama has really screwed up and defamed the Muslim 
and Islamic world. In fact he has denounced YOU and your Muslim 
faith in his own speech. But you of coarse hear what you think 
is correct. 
  Let me assure you, Zion s do not run America; we don't like 
them any more than you Muslims do. The comparison of the Muslim 
religion to Christianity will always miss the mark. If you study 
Judaism, Hinduism, the Quaballah or even the Norse philosophy 
you will find parallels in all of them and that even in 
polytheism and monotheism have basic similarities, despite their 
obvious differences. 
  Muslim religion was meant to defy Christianity, but had to 
deal with reality and explain away too many things that were 
known and accepted facts. Many contradictions are latent and the 
two were and still are conflicting. 
  But God hasn't changed. And what is defined, as an act of war 
or terrorism will never be condoned by God. No Jihad or Holy war 
can be explained as an act condoned by God. And the Quran tries, 
as does the bible to do just that. By all definition neither is 
totally correct nor were they written by the hand of God. I 
understand you have been raised all your life believing that the 
Ouran is the "word of God" and so have the Christians been 
taught same of the bible. But only a man, Divine or not, 
actually wrote the books. And Divinity is not the sole property 
of any one religion.
      Best wishes in your quest, but don't tread on me. I have 
every right to my beliefs as you do. 

Your flaming continues and defines your I.Q. very well. If I 
weren t pissing you off I would not be doing my best. So thank 
you for your painfully pathetic self-incrimination. A VESPA! Oy! 
  Let's Roll has a very good point you just cannot comprehend. 
If you are an American, you are a disgrace. I expect you are 
not. There now you can flame away! He He LOL!
                Merlyn
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

do u still have nightmares about your father raping u..having 3 
legs at birth to me says your mother and father were brother and 
sister

I see you are well; 
  Iraq is a pig of a different color and is laced into the 
economy of other countries, black market and otherwise. Saddam 
is not going to just let anyone hit him on a military front. He 
will fight on economic and black market as well as religious 
fronts. 
  Tony Blair did stand up and for that he stood out. Instead of 
counting how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall, he 
took a stand. That is commendable in anyone. As you can see the 
length of criticism I get, just posting on this flaming board. 
But if I wasn't getting that criticism it would mean I wasn't 
doing anything new or extraordinary at all. So to some extent 
the Flamers only prove that I am successful in my aim. 
  Yes the light green type is not worth reading. I see some 
people s monitors are finding the colors a problem so I will 
only use black. My Dell Trinitron can read them all, but color 
shift in non-graphic units can cause them to be un readable
     The best to you
          Merlyn

u know what maybe your right maybe your god . god of all the 
people who were born out of incest rape. nothn personal

still the potty mouth infant I see. I pity you and those who 
have to live with you. But your anger just makes my day! He He 
LOL! Flame on! Vespa rider LOL!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Yes.

Now learn to spell...and think.

Hi U.K.Citizen,
As you know those who are ignorant of English history have no 
concept of it's spiritually. Sad, how many are so ignorant of 
what their own ancestors did and believed in. Also a common 
ignorance that they don't realize there was religion before 
Christ and it centered around the same God philosophy. Late 
Christianity tries to incorporate all the Celtic philosophy as 
if it was all of their own making. But it simply proves that in 
is only a "spin off" of the original Celtic and Druidic practice 
and Bardic teachings. Sad how the some can be so ignorant.
             Merlyn

http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/02/27/binladen.dna/index.html

Even correctly editid work gets screwed up when posted, letters 
get dropped out and words duplicated. This is common on many 
boards like this one. 
             Cho!

Many of the family members have repudiated Osama bin Laden

Now of corse, thinking can hurt some that try too hard and is 
often replaced with flaming, so we 
see................~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~LOL!

Let's see what happens after the Cheney/Blair meeting whenever 
that takes place. My guess is Blair would give open support, but 
that's all it is..a guess. Speaking openly, I'm not sure what 
George Bush Snr was up to in that part of the world during his 
tenure, but 'dubbya' hasn't done badly at all in my view, not 
that I view any politician through rose coloured shades. So far, 
his best has been good enough.

Posting in odd, almost illegible colours kind of defeats the 
object in my opinion. Oh well. 

Flaming Flamers...stand thy ground and cast them out! hehehe.

Speaking of bikes once again, an aquaintance of mine knows of a 
guy somewhere in Devon/Cornwall who owns an American bike which 
has an engine in excess of 5 litres, it's basically a car engine 
on two wheels. I asked if it was custom made, and was told to my 
amazement it was actually a production bike. Cost him around 30K 
Sterling..I think!. What this guy apparantly didn't think of, 
was the type of roads he'd be riding on locally, all steep hills 
and sharp turns in the S.W. unlike the U.S's long straight roads 
that disappear to the horizon. He ended up not being able to 
ride it at all, too dangerous. Talk about having more money than 
sense! What a waste!! Just has it sat there in his garage.

Didn't catch the name of the make, any U.S. manufacturers you 
know of come to mind? Anyway, hope business is good. All the 
best Merlyn.    

Yes, indeed, the Boss Hoss. It comes in a V6 or V8 and has a 
very big appitite for the road. It is designed to impress, but 
it falls short in many ways, like the Honda Valkuri, does not 
handle well. Ergonamics are critical in a bike, and the Boss 
Hoss is just not there. It was designed as a Drag bike, and that 
it does well, but it ends there. They are good for towing a 
trailer and doing "burn outs" till the moon turns blue. 
  The V twin is still the best design for low center of gravity 
and power. The 90 deg. intercepter V4 motor by Honda was a 
stolen design from Harley-Davidson, who scraped it. The new V 
rod is the hot lick now and touts over 100 hp stock from Harley-
Davidson. Other crotch rockets are a poor choice if you ever 
ride much. They are always having to rest and sit up holding one 
hand out because their back hurts. Good for nothing but small 
track racing. Best to go with a sport touring bike, like the 
FXST or Dyna Low rider. 
              Merlyn 

That's the one..Hoss Boss. Would have been preying on my mind 
otherwise. Thank you!!. Shall speak to anon. U.K.Citizen.  

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002/02/27/doomsday-clock.htm

Now of corse, thinking can hurt some that try too hard and is 
                               often replaced with flaming, so we 
                 
see................~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~LOL!


Yes thats very,very true!Of course it 
is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!C-O-U-R-S-E  Talk about 
thinking!!!!!!!!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~LOL!

From: U.K Citizen 
                                          To: u know who 
                                         Subject: u what?... 
                                  Date: Wed Feb 27 09:54:31 2002 
                                            Message:

                                              Yes.

                                 Now learn to spell...and think.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002/02/27/doomsday-clock.htm
Poop day clock. I'll set mine now,

You Still don't get it do you. Well if I piss you off that's 
fine with me. No one likes you at all, so KMA, he he ....
Cho!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

and by the way "course" is where you play golf, now try to 
think. I know it is hard for you~~~~~~~~

You cant spell,and you have no religion,but you talk of I.Q.
Hahahahahahahaha!Chou!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

and by the way "course" is where you play golf, now try to 
                            think. I know it is hard for 
you~~~~~~~~

This is how he corrects me!Find a dictionary,you uneducated cunt!

Flame away!     You proove my point every time.......Now you 
even copy me~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Looser! Course is spelled two ways 
and your spell checker won't correct it for you...Idiot

Ya just don't get it do you?? Pthhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! He he 

You must be an old fart, retired, sitting with nothing to do. 
Ha! Get a life and stop Flaming. 

u is spelled YOU u know who

Merlyn,if you are going to waste all the space you do with 
arguing with people like a childish moron,at the VERY least,be 
sure you are right.It was YOUR spelling that was incorrect!
 You really should try to get along with these types though 
Merlyn.Your poetry readings have pretty much bored the rest of us 
off the board.

These types?Fuck off Walter!

I AM fucking off.

See Walter, he is just a flamer. Yes of course of course. I'm 
getting ready to poem on you! So don't tempt me! Yes we are all 
fucking off here, Cores coarse and of course, course. But c-o-u-
r-s-e no not in my book. Hey Walter, Here is your shirt back. 
Glad to see you didn t completely retire. 
  Now Flame Daddy calm down don't piss Walter off! He gets real 
mean. and I didn't spell course, flame boy did, so my spelling 
was Ok I just made my point to Daddy spell teacher that is all.
  and Flame boy stop copying me ~<>~ and stop flaming. 
Vespa! Ha! LOL. 
   

Flamers are sad
daddy boy is one
he thinks he's bad
but he's just no fun.........
 Damn it Walter now look what you did! 

Those such as London crew and U know who...I'd say are in the 
flamers category, in briefly scanning the board. Stating for the 
record, BOTH of your opinions are needed and welcomed here. 
That's just my view.

Oh, man, daddy-0. You are not a likeable guy are you?  You 
would not happen to be the webmaster for Casino on the net would 
you?

In the U.K. what is the favorite, Triumph, BMW or Ducatti, other?
Norton, and others try but to claim the market is tough. Not to 
include the rice burners as they are just a cheap alternative. 
HD is sought after there, but is it really in the market?  As 
far as I know it is between BMW & Triumph.
  I watched George Bush do some evil bashing today. And he is 
still working hard on domestic issues that I think are even more 
important. Strange how the Gallop (spelling?) pole was taken of 
such an obvious opinion and didn't include our opinion of them, 
go figure. 
  Well back to work, I have a FLAME job to do....
             Merlyn  

Don't forget Moto-Guzzi

Thank You for your posts regarding my Mom...I really appreciated 
them.I have my countdown on the days untill my son comes home,we 
all need things to look forward to. I hope nobody is checking my 
spelling... I'll be the first to admit that I'm the worst at it, 
At least I give the flamers something to gripe about. 

I'm all for slinging shit back and forth sometimes,it Can be 
kinda fun,but some of these people.......
 To give an example:Let's say you say something shitty to me OK?
I read the post,and then I try to retaliate.And back and forth 
and on and on until we get bored with it.But a lot of these 
people don't do that.They say whatever,and then run away,or they 
don't or can't read a response.You're not gonna get a point 
across to them no matter what,and thats why I don't understand 
why you bother,Merlyn.Like I've said before,it's like trying to 
explain to your dog how magnets work.(and don't tell me your dog 
DOES understand how they work!LOL!!!)
 To om/cf,U.K.Citizen,Facts Finder,and N.C.Gal.......good to see 
you all still here!
 

Maybe you need to read the posts before you talk asshole!You 
might learn things.

I love it when you talk bad to me!Treat me Baaaaaaaad 
Daddy!LOL!!!!!!!
 You might want to try some of the BDSM boards,but a word of 
advice:You might want to expand the handle a bit;like 
DaddyBigTalk,because there's probably LOTS of guys there who call 
themselves"Daddy"!LOL!!!

NCG
 I understand, and extend my hope for your family, that kind of 
loss is staggering. But in each case is a new beginning. Your 
mother will be with you always, you will find her often. Her 
spirit has slowly become a part of your own,
Take care. 

Lizard
  Moto Guzzi, yes I have painted them also, how could I have 
forgotten. I knew a Lizard in ABATE once, you? slim chance but 
it's a small world some times. 

Walter
 Too true. Just watch the poem thing.....oh ah! Ok whew! that 
was close! the hit & run posters kinda suck, But often look back.
Flamers often calm down & become part of the board..sometimes. 

Looks like you'll be having to ride your bicycle soon...unless 
you are willing to pay the $8.00/day road fee...

Prince Abdullah was on "Crossfire" the other day...He expressed 
his disgust for Osama Bin Laden and reiterated the fact that he 
was expelled from his own country as a terrorist and a threat 
to the country. (In the days when the US viewed him as 
a "dissident") 
Reminded the host that before 9/11 the US viewed Al-Queda 
members as dissidents, while in Saudi Arabia they were 
considered terrorists...AFTER 9/11 we decided that yes, indeed, 
they ARE terrorists...

There is talk of forcing people to turn in their cars (and 
bikes) to be recycled after 20 years of use. We here in ABATE 
are strongly opposed to it and I doubt it would make it here but 
ya never know. Is it being introduced across the pond yet? 
  Road tax sucks. 
Everyman, where did you hear of this, article?

If you can let me know where you got the road fee info. As for 
the Crown prince, he and others have denounced Bin Laden and 
more are surfacing as time goes on. When asked, his family 
didn't exactly know if he was dead or alive. So DNA hunting we 
go.  

Boss Hoss, Hoss Boss...soon as I'd read it though, I knew that 
was the one mentioned to me. As far as brand leaders in the U.K. 
are concerned, I couldn't honestly tell you. Having a passing 
interest in bikes I do envy you, but it's a good natured envy. 
All can say say is, the British bikes have made a revival over 
the last ten years and are a more common sight than they were. 
The guy that mentioned the Boss Hoss to me does in fact, 
unfortunately, ride a rice burner, Yamaha 1400cc cruiser I 
believe. Easily pleased...what can I say. It's relyable enough 
so he tells me. Make aside for a moment, he simply likes the 
style of bike, ie; cruiser. He's caught the bug. The Boss Hoss's 
are gas guzzlers, but having said that it may not matter 
environmentaly speaking (crude subject change here) as a team of 
leading European (no less) scientists have concluded that fuel 
emissions and human industrial activity in general may not in 
fact be contributing to global warming at all! Polution yes, but 
not global warming. IF those findings are re-confirmed, your 
President may have reason to feel a little more pleased with 
himself with regard to the Kyoto Agreement. Could be a case 
of "Gentlemen...start your engines!!" from now on.

Old beliefs, pre-Christian that is, are practised more commonly 
locally now through what little I've read and heard on the 
subject. People have certainly been looking for alternatives 
nowadays. It's a shame more people don't have the opportunity or 
motivation to look into their own history a little more. The 
fact that locals are happy to follow extremists into the so-
called Al-Muhajiroun 'organization' for want of a better word, 
isn't a good sign. The "Shoe bomber" had a connection with these 
people. What their leader said pissed me off no end, but they're 
only a small minority...I hope.
 

Arafat is a terrorist.

What concerns me aside from the cost, is a proposed monitoring 
system via satelite through a device installed in one's car to 
measure road usage. Basically you're tracked wherever you go. 
They're trying to introduce national I.D. cards over here which 
I actually don't mind, so long as it works. That fact that one's 
movements can be tracked if you drive a car or ride a motorbike, 
I DO NOT LIKE! Privacy's just another thing people take for 
granted. I don't. Don't know if it's the same in the States, but 
here the Government are trying to tax people off the roads, no 
doubt. Car drivers as smokers do..will try and pay whatever it 
takes to continue, and the Treasury knows it. Bastards.

The U.K.s public transport systems needs a complete overhall, I 
went over the handlebars of my pushbike once doing around 20 
mph, decided not to get back on a pushbike ever since, so that's 
out. I hate jogging...guess I'll have to walk to work, it'll 
take oooh,...2 hours.

Merlyn: My last post to Everyman, any thoughts...feel free.

Walter: You had me worried there Walter! Glad you're still 
around.

NC Gal: You're welcome. Just to say, you shouldn't have to put 
up with the likes of U know who...cause we all know...he's a U 
know what.

Road fee info was on a BBC World broadcast--cameras take pics 
of your license plate to track those using the roads w/out 
paying...

U.K. The "Segway" tops a keen 17mph...

trying to locate a transcript of the princely interview...

GUANTANAMO BAY NAVAL BASE, Cuba (AP) - The Taliban fighters who 
wouldn't allow women to study in Afghanistan and punished them 
if a veil slipped or ankle showed now are getting orders from 
women guards and care from female doctors at this U.S. 
detention camp. 

``In their culture they get to tell their females what to do,'' 
said Pfc. Courtney Sletter, 21, from Waconia, Minn. ``Well, 
they are now in a new culture, and I get to tell them what to 
do.'' 

There are 130 women among the 1,300 U.S. military personnel at 
Guantanamo Bay Naval Base, and they perform much the same 
duties as the men. Unarmed female guards watch over the orange-
clad inmates in Camp X-ray; medical workers administer care to 
the sick or injured; and women escort prisoners to bathrooms 
and showers. The women are replaced by male guards when the 
inmates undress. 

For the prisoners, it's a world apart from Afghanistan where, 
until their recent ouster, the Taliban prohibited women from 
attending school and from working, punished them for wearing 
anything other than the all-encompassing burqa, and relegated 
them to a life without choices under a strict brand of Islam. 

``Generally when you're talking to the detainees their eyes 
will tend to be in a downward position, possibly because they 
see you as a woman,'' said Sonia Kurichh, 29, a podiatrist from 
Washington, D.C. 

Kurichh has performed surgery on at least two inmates and will 
be among medical personnel manning a new tented field hospital. 

``Some of them utter prayers, possibly because they think I'm 
contaminated, but generally they've been appreciative of the 
care,'' she said. 

Female military personnel are given a briefing on the culture 
clash and potential problems. So far, they say, there haven't 
been any. They have noticed, however, that even the prisoners 
who speak English address them only to ask for water or to be 
escorted to the latrines. 

The 158 inmates are all suspected terrorists who fought for al-
Qaida or the ousted Afghan Taliban regime that sheltered the 
network. They are locked in temporary cells of chain-link fence 
walls set on a cement slab, open to the elements. 

``I was warned about certain aspects of their culture, like if 
they see ankles they will cut them off because it's a sin,'' 
said Emily Monson, 19, of American Falls, Idaho. 

``I'm not concerned they're going to do anything to me,'' she 
said as she donned black leather combat boots and talked about 
her duties as an entry guard. 

Like many women in the military here, she says she was raised 
in a U.S. household where men and women shared 
responsibilities. 

``I believe that everything should be 50/50,'' she said. ``If a 
woman does dishes, a man should too. I'm sure they (the 
detainees) don't feel that way.'' 

We are very concerned about the camera and Big brother watching 
every move. Shifting the use tax to drivers is called "property 
tax here and varies from state to state. So if you don't like 
one way you move to another state. School tax is a problem in 
New York and not here in Virginia. Even if you just own land in 
New York you pay school tax. 
  Speed radar cameras and stop light cameras are getting 
introduced but carry no driving penalty in Virginia, just a 
fine. Opposition is strong and it is just a money grab that 
often does not even get to the state. Often the company running 
the cameras makes more off them than the state. So many are 
being pulled or voted OUT. As for tracking by satellite, I see 
cell phones being installed and that will do it with the driver 
completely un aware. Personal cell phones can cause cancer and 
media black out has been the norm on the subject. 
  Sounds like the U.K. is really grabbing for cash at $8.00 per 
day, kind of like how cigarettes coast $3.oo per pack here, 
mostly tax. And Gas tax etc. is often an issue.

My bicycle tops out at around 35 mph, I'll stick with that, much 
less expensive and faster & more fun. No batteries and no tax. 
The Segway will be a theft problem as it is expensive. 

Let's face it, I was tired & remembered 
wrong...wasn't "Crossfire" it was "Frontline"  Interview with 
Bandar bin Sultan

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/terrorism/intervie
ws/bandar.html

Im feelin guilty after reading some of these posts! I got a 
bicycle/recreation paved path only 4 blocks from my house that 
runs along a river. It runs north and ends at a park/socccer 
field complex 1/2 mile from work. Two years ago I rode almost 
every day thru summer and into the fall and it beat the hell out 
of driving in traffic. Some of the scenery on the path was very 
nice too. And Im not talkin about the river or the trees! Damn, 
I gotta start doing that again this summer.

Yes it is more than just a ride some days. It also keeps me in 
top shape to ride the Harley, very important. Chicks dig the 
bike, but the chicks on bicycles are sweeeeeeeeeeeet lookin'

Arafat is a masochist

Arafat is a sexist
Arafat is a sadist
Arafat is a scientist
Arafat is an artist
Arafat is a communist
Arafat is a turdist
Arafat is a masturbationist
Arafat is a verbalist
Arafat is a grocery list

blah, blah, blah

I bought new mountain bikes last summer, and this summer they 
will get more use. Mine has the front shocks and monoshock on 
the rear and boy, do I appreciate that rear shock, that and the 
gel seat! LOL!! Its 8 miles to work and without pushing hard I 
can make it in less than 1/2 hour. Well, at least 2 years ago I 
could.

"If the Muslims in the poorer Islamic countries 
would take a look at the sucsessfull Islamic countries including 
Saudi Arabia and U.A.E. and follow their lead in becoming 
educated, civilised and moderate they wouldnt need to use worn 
out excuses for their failure. YOU need to wake up and become 
modern. The MAN aint holing you down. Your outdated beliefs are."

I read this BB from top to bottom and this is the only 
intelligent and to the point thing I read. All else was seems to 
be religious, or irrelevent bull. And this short quote is from a 
Muslim. I like it!

maybe u should have a seat on that monocock while your 
boyfriend fucks your face:)

I'll save the middle leg for you little boy.

I am not a Muslim. Can I still keep the accolades?
 Actually, if you look at this board as well as its archived 
posts you will find there are many smarter people than myself 
that have posted here since the attacks in New York and 
Washington. Its a clearinghouse for thoughts and feelings. Well, 
except for....u know who.

It has been said many ways, many times. But yes now even Muslims 
are saying it. That is finally some very good news. Some times 
you just have to show them they had the key all along, even if 
it means telling them over and over. Glad to hear you found a 
golden nugget in this pile of flaming aaaaaaaaaa.... stuff.
  Other boards have other views, but end up at the same 
conclusion.  

You don't have to be the smartest contributor to have a simple 
but completely profound and true thought. I have friends who are 
Muslim and believe the statment you made is very true. 
Religion can teach basic values, but it cannot run a country. 
Definitely keep the accolades!
later. 

correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't there several types of 
Jihad?  Isn't one of these a verbal Jihad?
  This is one which seems far more effective in the long run than 
murdering people in skyscrapers.  Also, as a Muslim will you tell 
us where in the Koran the Jihad is mentioned, and in what context 
it is used physically?  I'd like to be able to discredit the 
madrases and the al Queda. 

   Thanks!

  7777777777777777777777777

So.  We're improving conditions at Guantanomo.  I don't like it. 
Cages are just fine for the animals. So. We're sending US tropps 
to Georgia, huh ? The Ruskies must be freaking out. Tough.  We 
beat 'em in hockey.  We can do what we want.

Attacking ladies from north Carolina now, are you?  Looks like 
she put you in your place.  Clearly you can't be much of a man. 

Isn't it interesting that the "human rights" groups care more 
about the al Queda shitbirds than they do about Daniel Pearl?  I 
confess that I was an Amnesty International member about ten 
years ago, but quit when I realized just how far to the left 
those assholes are.  
  Oh, well..

Welcome to the internet version of the A.H.B.A....nuff said:-)

Well said. Interesting name choice. Rugby...hmmm.

Whoops! 20 years ago I was a member in good standing!

As Om/cf has suggested please do view the archives of this 
board, it's nature changes as time moves on and people come and 
go. Right after Sept 11, many of the posts understandably were 
reactionary in nature. As the weeks went on, others contributed 
well thought out, succinct and erudite posts mostly in statement 
form, that one asssumes related in some fashion to Sept 11 and 
it's aftermath. Personalities have much to do with how the board 
evolves, as does time. I've said before, that for many, the 
board had served it's purpose and they have consequently moved 
on. A few of us have stuck around to simply converse, if 
relevant news is scarce. That's for sure not to everybody's 
taste, but it does keep the board active. For comparison, just 
check out the other boards on this site and you'll see. You'll 
have to excuse some of us who've been posting to this site for 
some months now, one get's to realize there's only so much one 
can say on any one subject after a while, ie; Sept 11. Many of 
us here have had much to say previously in matters that maybe of 
more interest to those such as yourself. By all means make 
reference should you wish.

To state a couple of points, firstly, I've not as yet replied to 
a Muslim..for instance, for two reasons, firstly..people who 
wish to type in a colour that's hard to read, I can therefore 
not be bothered to read. That's just me. Secondly, just glancing 
at his post he mentioned the words 'Zionist plot'. From 
experiance anybody who thinks that Sept 11 was a Zionist 
conspriracy is totaly convinced of their argument to the 
exclusion of any other, so there's no point in conversing. 
Jewish extremists have my contempt, as do any other extremists, 
but to think they were behind Sept 11 is a ludicrous assumption 
in my opinion.

The second point being, you mentioned religion being discussed. 
I'd take issue that it is an irrelevant topic, however tenuous. 
Some view religion in regards to Sept 11 as being the cause, 
others as a convenient excuse to hide behind. That argument will 
go on and on. Islam is viewed by laypeople as hostile. I have 
nothing against any one religion per say, but many over recent 
years have sought to find a belief system that they feel is more 
relevant. Any discussion about any alternative non-aggresive 
belief system is in my view of interest, though I'm personally 
not seeking one.  

I tried to keep this post short and to the point, and obviously 
failed, but it may allow a little more insight.    

your a lady and i did not attack you.

Well the religious ex. were trying to make Danny say he was part 
Jewish as an excuse for killing him. I have to agree with you 
that non-aggressive is a relative term to describe religion. It 
is painfully in the worlds eye now that religious aggression is 
no longer to be tolerated. If you don't want to believe in 
someone else s religion, that is your right. The very definition 
of Muslim, Jewish and even Christian religion is pointed towards 
converting others, "born again" crap. In their rhetoric and 
money grabbing they miss the mark completely and religion should 
NEVER be a function of a government. Saying God will judge you 
so no man can is indeed the biggest crock I have ever heard. 
That is like saying you can kill and steal all you want if you 
think you are doing so in Gods name. Real low life thinking. 
   Seems most non-aggressive philosophy gets wiped out, American 
Indian, Druid, etc. Shamanism is truly a healing art and is 
often touted as witchcraft by aggressive religious groups to 
raise opposition and attack people who rarely even defend 
themselves. 
   But more and more it has come to this day. And now more than 
ever it is so painfully obvious that religion is often just a 
word for BIGOTRY and agression. 
   With an eye on the full moon tonight in prayer for Danny 
Pearl. 
     Merlyn   

did u start to cry when u were writing the above post?

Did you start to think, before you wrote your post?..evidently 
not. Be honest and admit it to everybody here, it's beyond you 
isn't it? 

Hey daddy bitch, If you look real hard you will see a key called 
a "shift" key. Use it! As for your pervert remarks I have a few 
pictures of my Dog you might really like! I figure you are a 
looser from another chat board trying to get everyone off here. 
So talk dirty bitch boy and we will all piss on you! He He Ha Ha 
Ha Hoy!
  And yes real people have intrests other than to flame like the 
bitch closet queer that you are. So get over it!
  You have an obsession with insest as do most bitch dogs, loose 
it! And by the way, go fuck yourself, 'u know who sounds like 
you are a Queen bitch, go to a gay bar and be with your own 
kind. 
                       Faggot  

The Guantanamo boys are on a hunger strike! Refused their Jimmy 
Dean pork sausage at breakfast, they did. Seems one of the 
guests had wrapped his turban a little too tight and the guards 
had to perform an emergency tubanectomy. Pissed em all off, it 
did. Maybe if we can piss em off somemore they'll hold their 
breath till they turn blue!
 It gave me a great money makin idea. See through turbans. All 
wrapped up in plastic, isnt that fantastic?

Shrink wrap could work, then in to the microwave! Oops might be 
too much like pop & mess. Ewwwwwwwwwwwwww! 

From: Daddy 
                          To: Lets Roll/Merlyn/Get a Grip/Obvious 
Man/Sybil? 
                                   Date: Tue Feb 26 17:11:06 2002 
                                            Message:

                      Sure designing graphics now are we?Look at 
all your 
               posts!Short,staccato posts,which indicates great 
anger.You are so 
               desperate to feel important that you have to use 
multiple handles 
                                  to try to dominate the board,
                 You've been exposed,Sybil.You are a phony,and we 
laugh at the 
                 lies you tell to make yourself look 
important.And we laugh at 
                    your senseless predictions.And we laugh at 
your childish 
                  behaviour when things don't go your way.And we 
laugh at the 
                symbols you use[/|\]to make yourself feel like 
you're a part of 
                 something.In reality you are a pitiful boy.And 
we all know it.

From: Daddy 
                                            To: Merlyn 
                                   Date: Tue Feb 26 18:33:18 2002 
                                            Message:

               The words queer,suck,homosexual,and faggot come up 
a lot when you 
                                      are defending yourself to 
Daddy.A hidden 
                                         story perhaps?

From: Daddy 
                                            To: Merlyn 
                                   Date: Tue Feb 26 18:33:18 2002 
                                            Message:

               The words queer,suck,homosexual,and faggot come up 
a lot when you 
                                      are defending yourself to 
Daddy.A hidden 
                                         story perhaps?

Hey stupid faggot, I'm not Sybil and it is YOU who doesn't fit in

Hey Insest boy...........You got an Insest problem????

And weeny boy, YOU post short, Mine are LONG like my dick! 

At least I don't hide Like you Ya' Closet Queer!

Get ready for the party.You've run youre big mouth too longMerlyn

Ha! Ya' Fag! Can't take it can you? Well that's OK with me I 
hope I have you hopin' mad. Go ahead Be a flaming fool! I don't 
care. 
                         Faggot!

From: Merlyn 
                                          To: U.K.Citizen 
                                        Subject: Danny Pearl 
                                   Date: Thu Feb 28 09:52:20 2002 
                                            Message:

                Well the religious ex. were trying to make Danny 
say he was part 
                 Jewish as an excuse for killing him. I have to 
agree with you 
                that non-aggressive is a relative term to 
describe religion. It 
                is painfully in the worlds eye now that religious 
aggression is 
                   no longer to be tolerated. If you don't want 
to believe in 
                someone else s religion, that is your right. The 
very definition 
                of Muslim, Jewish and even Christian religion is 
pointed towards 
                  converting others, "born again" crap. In their 
rhetoric and 
                money grabbing they miss the mark completely and 
religion should 
                 NEVER be a function of a government. Saying God 
will judge you 
                  so no man can is indeed the biggest crock I 
have ever heard. 
                 That is like saying you can kill and steal all 
you want if you 
                  think you are doing so in Gods name. Real low 
life thinking. 
                   Seems most non-aggressive philosophy gets 
wiped out, American 
                  Indian, Druid, etc. Shamanism is truly a 
healing art and is 
                  often touted as witchcraft by aggressive 
religious groups to 
                   raise opposition and attack people who rarely 
even defend 
                                          themselves. 
                   But more and more it has come to this day. And 
now more than 
                 ever it is so painfully obvious that religion is 
often just a 
                                word for BIGOTRY and agression. 
                     With an eye on the full moon tonight in 
prayer for Danny 
                                             Pearl.I wish he 
could have lived so he could fuck my ass. 
                                              Merlyn   

Seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ya ! 
   You live here in your little hell. 
              Ha Ha Ha! 
                 Ya Queer fucker!

From: open mind/closed fist 
                              To: u dont know shit (and thats the 
problem) 
                                   Date: Tue Feb 26 21:30:25 2002 
                                            Message:

                Why dont you post something related to the topics 
discussed here.
                  Maybe something like your views on the war on 
terrorism. Or, 
                    maybe Isreal vs. Palistine. Or how your 
rights are being 
                affected by the increased security at airports. 
Or how you feel 
                you should be allowed to shag a goat or a sheep 
as you damn well 
                                             please!
                       Anything past the 6th grade rhetoric would 
be cool.I would be willing to let you fuck my mother's ass if you 
do that.

Oh Yes one more thing.............
          Go fuck yourself!
            Ya Queer closet fag!

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From: Merlyn 
                                               To: 
                                   Date: Thu Feb 28 14:55:56 2002 
                                            Message:

                     Hey Insest boy...........You got an Insest 
problem???  I-N-C-E-S-T Guess momma didn't teach you how to spell 
since she was too busy sucking on dog cock.

From: 
                                      To: om/cf and uk citizen 
                                   Date: Wed Feb 27 07:48:01 2002 
                                            Message:

                                             Om/cf 
                 The only reason why America is rich is because 
they are liars, 
                  traitors and thieves. They robbed the oil in 
Kuwait and they 
                             will do the same thing in 
Afghanistan.
                              No wonder Hitler turned against 
you.

                fuck you UK citizen my writing might be black but 
your black on 
                                           the inside!

                Our beliefs aren't not holding us down. YOUR 
BELIEFS ARE HOLDING 
                                            YOU DOWN!

                I mean Bush is not a christian but a freemason. I 
bet you never 
                                knew that, Well go and find out.
                 Bin laden believes in one god and the message 
sent by the last 
                                            prophet 
                                      whats wrong with that

From: 
                                               To: 
                                   Date: Thu Feb 28 14:51:25 2002 
                                            Message:

                                          From: Daddy 
                                                                 
To: Merlyn 
                                                  Date: Tue Feb 
26 18:33:18 2002 
                                                                 
 Message:

                              The words queer,suck,homosexual,and 
faggot come up 
                                         a lot when you 
                                                      are 
defending yourself to 
                                         Daddy.A hidden 
                                                              
story perhaps?

From: 
                                               To: 
                                   Date: Thu Feb 28 15:02:37 2002 
                                            Message:

                                          From: Merlyn 
                                                                 
     To: 
                                                  Date: Thu Feb 
28 14:55:56 2002 
                                                                 
 Message:

                                     Hey Insest boy...........You 
got an Insest 
               problem???  I-N-C-E-S-T Guess momma didn't teach 
you how to spell 
                           since she was too busy sucking on dog 
cock.

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In a real short version, My Artistic endeavors are at this time 
                 a result of circumstance and passion. Having 
ridden since the 
                 age of 9 I have put over 100,000 miles behind me 
on street and 
                dirt bikes. And as a woman in New York put it "it 
takes a golden 
                 hand". As a bloodline artist and a Mechanic, 
these simply came 
                  together as a good way to have a home-based 
business while I raise my son.He's really cute you should see him 
naked like I do.Sometimes I suck his cock for him.He protested at 
first,but I convinced him that it was OK.I caught him getting 
pumped by one of our neighbors a few month ago,and I figure if he 
can give his ass to him,he can give it to me.I don't care if its 
my son,it feels good to me. 
                                         

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From: Merlyn 
                                          To: Paki Citizen 
                                   Date: Thu Feb 28 15:10:01 2002 
                                            Message:

                In a real short version, My Artistic endeavors 
are at this time 
                                  a result of circumstance and 
passion. Having 
                                        ridden since the 
                                age of 9 I have put over 100,000 
miles behind me 
                                         on street and 
                               dirt bikes. And as a woman in New 
York put it "it 
                                         takes a golden 
                                  hand". As a bloodline artist 
and a Mechanic, 
                                       these simply came 
                                   together as a good way to have 
a home-based 
               business while I raise my son.He's really cute you 
should see him 
               naked like I do.Sometimes I suck his cock for 
him.He protested at 
                 first,but I convinced him that it was OK.I 
caught him getting 
               pumped by one of our neighbors a few month ago,and 
I figure if he 
                can give his ass to him,he can give it to me.I 
don't care if its 
                                  my son,it feels good to me.If 
he doesn't want to give it to me,then I rape his ass for him. 

From: 
                                               To: 
                                   Date: Thu Feb 28 15:16:34 2002 
                                            Message:

                                          From: Merlyn 
                                                             To: 
Paki Citizen 
                                                  Date: Thu Feb 
28 15:10:01 2002 
                                                                 
 Message:

                                 In a real short version, My 
Artistic endeavors 
                                        are at this time 
                                                   a result of 
circumstance and 
                                        passion. Having 
                                                            
ridden since the 
                                                age of 9 I have 
put over 100,000 
                                        miles behind me 
                                                              on 
street and 
                                               dirt bikes. And as 
a woman in New 
                                        York put it "it 
                                                             
takes a golden 
                                                   hand". As a 
bloodline artist 
                                        and a Mechanic, 
                                                           these 
simply came 
                                                  together as a 
good way to have 
                                          a home-based 
                              business while I raise my son.He's 
really cute you 
                                         should see him 
                                 naked like I do.Sometimes I suck 
his cock for 
                                      him.He protested at 
                                   first,but I convinced him that 
it was OK.I 
                                       caught him getting 
                              pumped by one of our neighbors a 
few month ago,and 
                                         I figure if he 
                                 can give his ass to him,he can 
give it to me.I 
                                       don't care if its 
                                                  my son,it feels 
good to me.If 
                 he doesn't want to give it to me,then I rape his 
ass for him. 

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Its been a hectic week. Today I see U.S. planes returned fire on 
a Iraqi anti-aircraft site again patroling the northern no-fly 
zone. Probably killed 400 starving, irradiated Iraqi children 
who were on a school field trip to study the in's and out's of 
anti-aircraft cannons.
I like Tony Blair as a leader. The guy has done a great job 
under unbelievable pressure. Every time I check the BBC site he 
is under fire for something. He seems to make decisions without 
beating around the bush (no pun intended). But he has to base 
his decisions on what the majority of citizens in the U.K. want, 
and that is only right.
I read a Rueters story today stating that Bush has decided on a 
plan for removing Saddam and that wonderful kid of his. It 
involves arming groups opposed to the insane one, and 
destabilizing the Iraqi military by encouraging defections. 
Seems I've read many of these 'official plans' lately. Who knows 
what the plan is? Seems that most of the neighboring Arab 
countries would like to see the nutter killed or run out of town 
but are afraid of will happen in and outside of Iraq in the 
aftermath. I think we have seen in Afghanistan some of the 
ruthless tribal infighting that takes place in these 
circumstances, so I can understand the concern expressed by 
Iraq's neighbors. If the operation turns into a goatfuck, the 
trouble created will know no boundries and spill into other 
countries. If we take up this task, it absoulutly has to be done 
right or America's image in the Arab world will be even worse 
than that poll the other day indicated. Mr. Bush said today that 
America must improve its image as viewed by Muslim nations. I 
was glad he said that and I hope he means it. Having half the 
world pissed off at you all the time cant be a good thing.
Damn Im rambling on. Working only 32 hrs a week is leaving me 
with to much free time. Idle hands being the devils workshop and 
all.

We would need to turn Iraq into New Texas, and burn the Husein 
family at the stake. Better to just live & let die. Another 
covert campeign will be a waste of time. Getting the wolves to 
eat each other won't work. They will just resume business as 
usual with the next nutcase. Better to just slam the saddam than 
deal with theives. 

I agree that those covert operations are a dangerous way to go 
for many reasons. Buddying up to lowlifes who would normally be 
the enemy is sure one of them. The only reasons those tribal 
chieftons in Afghanistan agreed to side with us was because they 
were probably put on the payroll and in the end would get their 
shot at some power. Thieves for sure!
Saddam has to much organization in place for too long to try the 
covert road I now think. He is a cold blodded killer who will 
kill anyone that need be to stay in power. I once thought what 
worked in Afghanistan may work in Iraq but I have changed my 
view on that. In Afghanistan the Northern Alliance fought the 
Taliban for many years proving to me their determination. I dont 
see that in Iraq. The opposition to Saddam seems unorganized and 
hasnt shown any will to fight for what they want.

the only reason Saddam is still there, is the alternative is 
worse. No one really wants the Iraq wasteland. Going in to get 
Saddam is a way to get even deeper in the wrong end of a bad 
situation. If we do anything at all we need to play for keeps. 
It is an old family vendetta for Bush, and I hope he can see 
through it and listen to other ways that are being suggested. 

From: Merlyn 
                                         To: Paki Citizen 
                                   Date: Thu Feb 28 15:10:01 2002 
                                            Message:

                In a real short version, My Artistic endeavors 
are at this time 
                                  a result of circumstance and 
passion. Having 
                                        ridden since the 
                                age of 9 I have put over 100,000 
miles behind me 
                                         on street and 
                               dirt bikes. And as a woman in New 
York put it "it 
                                         takes a golden 
                                  hand". As a bloodline artist 
and a Mechanic, 
                                       these simply came 
                                   together as a good way to have 
a home-based 
               business while I raise my son.He's really cute you 
should see him 
               naked like I do.Sometimes I suck his cock for 
him.He protested at 
                 first,but I convinced him that it was OK.I 
caught him getting 
               pumped by one of our neighbors a few month ago,and 
I figure if he 
                can give his ass to him,he can give it to me.I 
don't care if its 
                                  my son,it feels good to me. 
Fuck up the board some more Merlyn.Its what I want you to do,and 
you can be counted on to act as my puppet.

So you learned to cut and paste, brings you to the level of a 
first grader. Daddy faggot you are nothing but a pervert. But I 
see you learned how to use the shift key just like I told you 
too. Good little boy! Now go back in the closet and FUCK 
YOURSELF!

Oh yes and lick your ass clean like the Bitch you are!

Fuck up the board some more Merlyn.Its what I want you to do,and 
                           you can be counted on to act as my 
puppet.As a matter of fact,I love it!Good BOY!hahahahaa

As a bloodline artist 
                                        and a Mechanic, 
                                                           these 
simply came 
                                                  together as a 
good way to have 
                                          a home-based 
                              business while I raise my son.He's 
really cute you 
                                         should see him 
                                 naked like I do.Sometimes I suck 
his cock for 
                                      him.He protested at 
                                   first,but I convinced him that 
it was OK.I 
                                       caught him getting 
                              pumped by one of our neighbors a 
few month ago,and 
                                         I figure if he 
                                 can give his ass to him,he can 
give it to me.I 
                                       don't care if its 
                                                   my son,it 
feels good to me. 

I build bikes you bastard!I have my own business!Its none of your 
business if I have sex with my boy!He said he likes it and it has 
brought us closer together!It has!And I dont care if its wrong or 
not.I will make a prediction,my son will grow up to be a man and 
always love me,because I loved him,and expressed myself 
sexually.You are just jealous because I have a child I can have 
sex with./|\
             Merlyn

just as I thought all along.You are a child molester

Merlyn:
Check out the cut & paste style and the absense of a space after 
the end of each sentance and you have your instigator. Im sure 
you know already.

DaddyO, etc.:
Can ya have fun without getting into child molestation? I mean 
that is stooping pretty low, playin handball against the curb 
crap.

Ya flaming faggot! you spelled Patal wrong! but what can I 
expect from a faggot. Yes I know YOU are Patel, but that is not 
how I spell it. So GET IT RIGHT! AND for Christ sake learn to 
cut and paste like a man! You do it like a queer! but then you 
are one so I guess it's all I can expect.
              He He Ha! you suck! 

Oh yes ... go back in the closet and fuck yourself!

ok I will, i know you are right. i am a faggot and a queer. can 
i lick your dick. ill scrump a goat for you 

I know you love what I do........but go fuck yourself! 
      Get!  Back in the closet!

DaddyO, etc.:
                 Can ya have fun without getting into child 
molestation? I mean 
                 that is stooping pretty low, playin handball 
against the curb 
                                              crap.


Weapon of choice.He uses homosexual slurs,I use molestation.He 
stops,I stop.

Not so! I had stopped! and YOU started it up all over again! 
Ya Flamer !

Further you lie! YOU STARTED THE WHOLE THING with INSEST. Ya 
Flamer!

A plane is on its way to Montreal when a blonde in Economy Class 
gets up and moves to the First Class section and sits down. The 
flight attendant watches her do this and asks to see her ticket. 
She then tells the blonde that she paid for Economy and that she 
will have to sit in the back. The blonde replies "I'm blonde, I'm 
beautiful, I'm going to Montreal and I'm staying right here!". 
The flight attendant goes into the cockpit and tells the pilot 
and copilot that there is some blonde bimbo sitting in First 
Class that belongs in Economy and won't move back to her seat. 
The copilot goes back to the explain that because she only paid 
for Economy she will have to leave and return to her seat. The 
blonde replies, "I'm blonde, I'm beautiful, I'm going to Montreal 
and I'm staying right here!" 
The copilot tells the pilot that he probably should have the 
police waiting when they land to arrest this blonde woman that 
won't listen to reason. 
The pilot says "I'll handle this. I'm married to a blonde. I have 
learned to speak 'blonde'". He goes back to the blonde, whispers 
in her ear, and without hesitation, she gets up and moves back to 
her seat in the Economy section. The flight attendant and copilot 
are amazed and asked him what he said to make her move without